From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jan 1 02:19:14 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jan 1 02:19:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 In-Reply-To: <200912311653.38824.mmorse757@gmail.com> References: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <200912311447.39826.mmorse757@gmail.com> <4B3D10A0.6060004@gmail.com> <200912311653.38824.mmorse757@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3DB002.6050404@lookcee.com> Michael wrote: > On Thursday 31 December 2009 02:59:12 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Michael wrote: >> >>> couldn't find anything similar to stable, testing, etc. >>> >>> I googled package conversion and found a package called ALIEN. It is >>> supposed to convert between .rpms and .debs, etc., but as far as I could >>> tell, it doesn't convert .tar.gz into .debs. Is there such a program >>> that will convert file.tar.gz into file.deb? >>> >> Why do you need that? You just need to: >> >> tar -xf filename.tar.gz >> >> and it is extracted. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > Bruce, > > Thanks to you and the others who posted responses. I attempted this process > once before with mucho error messages - libraries and I can't remember what > all else. I just remember it being a really big PITA. This time, no > problem. Untarred it in /OPT and made a desktop short cut to it and it > pulled up all of my emails like it had never been uninstalled. Good bye > K-Mail. > > Happy New Year Everyone! > > > > -- > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel > of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston > Churchill Hi Michael this is off topic in ref to your Winston quote you might enjoy reading David Irvings book available as .PDF here. A long but great read. http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Churchill/1/index.html From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Jan 1 07:32:08 2010 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Fri Jan 1 07:33:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: Wireless LAN mini USB adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1829E0D0F1024AA7B5633608E42DC339@Control> Does anyone know if any of the Linux packages support the WU240G ConnectGear adapter? The manufacturere web site only shows driver availability for various windows versions and no mention ofany flavor of Linux. Thanks. Doug From edcoates at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 10:27:29 2010 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Fri Jan 1 10:27:35 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright wrote: > So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's > waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for April > 29? ?--Don > I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best one yet. It upgraded flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop. After installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash games on facebook without any issues. I don't mess with the server iso, what I do is install the desktop iso, and then start installing all the packages I'll need for the server. I.E. apache2, mysql5, php5, etc. Makes it easier for me since I remotely access the desktop using nxserver/nxclient over ssh. I've even loaded it up in a virtualbox on my work laptop and have it work through there. All in all, I would highly recommend this one for anyone who wants to try Linux out to see what it's about. Ed From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 11:01:34 2010 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (pjcrux@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jan 1 11:01:34 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3E25E5.4000105@gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com><4B3E25E5.4000105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1995441760-1262365289-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782299035-@bda352.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I've tried both 9.04 and 9.10 and both crash my Dell D600. Gnome works until I try to open firefox. I'm still using fedora. Although I receive a "crash in kernel package" error every time it boots. Thoughts on either statement? Cheers! Peter Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Michael Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:42:13 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? Ed Coates wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright wrote: > >> So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's >> waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for April >> 29? --Don >> >> > I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best one yet. It upgraded > flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop. After installing > ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash games on facebook > without any issues. I don't mess with the server iso, what I do is > install the desktop iso, and then start installing all the packages > I'll need for the server. I.E. apache2, mysql5, php5, etc. Makes it > easier for me since I remotely access the desktop using > nxserver/nxclient over ssh. I've even loaded it up in a virtualbox on > my work laptop and have it work through there. > > All in all, I would highly recommend this one for anyone who wants to > try Linux out to see what it's about. > > Ed > Still using 8.04 . . . -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 11:35:23 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 1 11:35:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <1995441760-1262365289-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782299035-@bda352.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com><4B3E25E5.4000105@gmail.com> <1995441760-1262365289-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782299035-@bda352.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B3E325B.5060102@gmail.com> pjcrux@gmail.com wrote: > I've tried both 9.04 and 9.10 and both crash my Dell D600. Gnome > works until I try to open firefox. > > I'm still using fedora. Although I receive a "crash in kernel > package" error every time it boots. > > Thoughts on either statement? Possibly a memory problem. Did you run memtest86? -- Bruce From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jan 1 12:41:19 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jan 1 12:41:21 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3E25E5.4000105@gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <4B3E25E5.4000105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E41CF.8070000@lookcee.com> Michael wrote: > Ed Coates wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright >> wrote: >> >>> So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's >>> waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for >>> April >>> 29? --Don >>> >>> >> I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best one yet. It upgraded >> flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop. After installing >> ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash games on facebook >> without any issues. I don't mess with the server iso, what I do is >> install the desktop iso, and then start installing all the packages >> I'll need for the server. I.E. apache2, mysql5, php5, etc. Makes it >> easier for me since I remotely access the desktop using >> nxserver/nxclient over ssh. I've even loaded it up in a virtualbox on >> my work laptop and have it work through there. >> >> All in all, I would highly recommend this one for anyone who wants to >> try Linux out to see what it's about. >> >> Ed >> > Still using 8.04 . . . Don I have been happy with 8.04 since it does everything I can manage and is still supported, Synaptic Rules! I will wait for Lucid Lynx. hh From mguhlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 13:21:08 2010 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Fri Jan 1 13:21:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> I definitely have to agree with the recommendation to run Ubuntu Karmic Koala (v9.10). It works smoothly on every box I've thrown it on--including Dell netbooks, laptops, desktops, and intel Macs running as dual boot, as well as virtually. In addition, a friend of a colleague introduced me to LinuxMint. It's working great, as well, although I keep getting tempted to switch back to plain Gnome GUI. Oh, and thanks to whomever suggested using PlayOnLinux! http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/12/internet-explorer-on-gnulinux.html Wishing you a Happy New Year, Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ed Coates wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright wrote: > > So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's > > waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for April > > 29? --Don > > > I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best one yet. It upgraded > flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop. After installing > ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash games on facebook > without any issues. I don't mess with the server iso, what I do is > install the desktop iso, and then start installing all the packages > I'll need for the server. I.E. apache2, mysql5, php5, etc. Makes it > easier for me since I remotely access the desktop using > nxserver/nxclient over ssh. I've even loaded it up in a virtualbox on > my work laptop and have it work through there. > > All in all, I would highly recommend this one for anyone who wants to > try Linux out to see what it's about. > > Ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From the.dead.dude at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:29:00 2010 From: the.dead.dude at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Fri Jan 1 17:29:24 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> I'm a new linux convert. Just switched over to Ubuntu 9.10 a few weeks ago. So far my main issue with it is that most of the documentation uses those stupid goofy names to refer to which distribution of Ubuntu they're talking about instead of the simple and clean numbers. I do however have a few other more serious issues, but I haven't looked into them much yet to see about how to solve them. 1. Wifes PC has some shared network folders shared in a workgroup. It's the only other computer on the network. I just want to have some shared folders on the linux machine visible on hers, and I want her shared folders visible on the linux machine. I thought I set it up right, but sometimes she can only see my shared folders, sometimes I can only see her shared folders, and sometimes both computer can't see each others shared folders at all. All I do is transfer movies between the computers a few nights per week so I don't really need any complication setup. 2. My sata hd isn't showing up at all. Got Ubuntu installed on a 120gig ide hd along with winxp. The XP partition shows up and is visible. I also got a blank 16gb ide drive that is visible, but I can't see the 250gb sata drive at all. That's gonna be a bit of a problem if I decide I need that space later. 3. Sometimes the network connection just drops out completely. I'm not just disconnected from the internet, but I can't even see my router. I would say it's a router problem but whenever this happens everything still works just fine from my wife laptop. A restart fixes this. 4. Printer was recognized and worked just fine upon plugging it in, but I can't view the ink levels. 5. Long boot time. After ubuntu is selected from grub, it seems like my system just sits there and does nothing but flash the _ cursor for 30-45 seconds. Maybe that part is normal? After the ubuntu logo shows the system is all booted up and useable within 30 seconds. When I select Windows from grub, it goes to my windows os selection screen within a second or two, then I pick xp and the xp loading screen pops up within a few more seconds. Then after about 20 more seconds xp is booted up. Just another 45 second wait for all those little stupid programs each piece of hardware seems to require to run, and then the system is useable. Those are it, my only issues. They're not really big problems right now so I just live with them and haven't had time to look into how to solve them. Other than that this systems working just fine. On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: > I definitely have to agree with the recommendation to run Ubuntu Karmic > Koala (v9.10). It works smoothly on every box I've thrown it on--including > Dell netbooks, laptops, desktops, and intel Macs running as dual boot, as > well as virtually. > > In addition, a friend of a colleague introduced me to LinuxMint. It's > working great, as well, although I keep getting tempted to switch back to > plain Gnome GUI. > > Oh, and thanks to whomever suggested using PlayOnLinux! > http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/12/internet-explorer-on-gnulinux.html > > Wishing you a Happy New Year, > > Miguel Guhlin > Phone: 210-617-3330 > Email - mguhlin@gmail.com > Blog: http://mguhlin.org > Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ed Coates wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright > wrote: > > > So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's > > > waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for > April > > > 29? --Don > > > > > I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best one yet. It upgraded > > flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop. After installing > > ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash games on facebook > > without any issues. I don't mess with the server iso, what I do is > > install the desktop iso, and then start installing all the packages > > I'll need for the server. I.E. apache2, mysql5, php5, etc. Makes it > > easier for me since I remotely access the desktop using > > nxserver/nxclient over ssh. I've even loaded it up in a virtualbox on > > my work laptop and have it work through there. > > > > All in all, I would highly recommend this one for anyone who wants to > > try Linux out to see what it's about. > > > > Ed > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:01:13 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 1 18:01:17 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> Justin wrote: > 5. Long boot time. After ubuntu is selected from grub, it seems like my > system just sits there and does nothing but flash the _ cursor for 30-45 > seconds. Maybe that part is normal? After the ubuntu logo shows the system > is all booted up and useable within 30 seconds. When I select Windows from > grub, it goes to my windows os selection screen within a second or two, then > I pick xp and the xp loading screen pops up within a few more seconds. Then > after about 20 more seconds xp is booted up. Just another 45 second wait > for all those little stupid programs each piece of hardware seems to require > to run, and then the system is useable. I think that's a GRUB2 problem. Take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I'll bet it has a section like: menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,1) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=UUID=6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server } (note lines warpped above). What I think it is doing is searching a lot of usb devices (many that don't exist) for the UUID. Here is what you can try: Change the comment out the search line and make it look like: menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,1) #search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/sda2 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server } Change sda2 to your actual root partition. Use everything else as it it is on your system. -- Bruce From the.dead.dude at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:32:21 2010 From: the.dead.dude at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Fri Jan 1 18:32:42 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> Well I can't seem to save any changes to the grub.cfg file. It's in read only mode. I'm guessing I need to open it through the console somehow, so what would I type to be able to do that? It does look similar to how you described it. Thanks. menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-16-generic" { recordfail=1 if [ -n ${have_grubenv} ]; then save_env recordfail; fi set quiet=1 insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,5) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic root=UUID=05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-16-generic } On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Justin wrote: > > 5. Long boot time. After ubuntu is selected from grub, it seems like my >> system just sits there and does nothing but flash the _ cursor for 30-45 >> seconds. Maybe that part is normal? After the ubuntu logo shows the >> system >> is all booted up and useable within 30 seconds. When I select Windows >> from >> grub, it goes to my windows os selection screen within a second or two, >> then >> I pick xp and the xp loading screen pops up within a few more seconds. >> Then >> after about 20 more seconds xp is booted up. Just another 45 second wait >> for all those little stupid programs each piece of hardware seems to >> require >> to run, and then the system is useable. >> > > I think that's a GRUB2 problem. Take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I'll > bet it has a section like: > > menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,1) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set > 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server > root=UUID=6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 ro > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server > } > > (note lines warpped above). > > What I think it is doing is searching a lot of usb devices (many that don't > exist) for the UUID. Here is what you can try: > > Change the comment out the search line and make it look like: > > menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,1) > #search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set > 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/sda2 ro > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server > } > > Change sda2 to your actual root partition. Use everything else as it it is > on your system. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:39:17 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Fri Jan 1 18:39:21 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E95B5.1070204@gmail.com> On 1/1/10 6:32 PM, Justin wrote: > Well I can't seem to save any changes to the grub.cfg file. It's in read > only mode. > You have to open it in the terminal using sudo, like this: sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg You'll be asked for your password to verify your credentials, and perhaps again when you save the file, but it will be saved. Once you alter your grub file, you'll need to restart the machine. You can find Terminal under 'Accessories' in your application menu. ~Nate From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 18:39:53 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Jan 1 18:40:01 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com><487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1762004241-1262392798-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-878646373-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You need to be root... I assume you are trying to use "gedit"... Right-click the "gedit" shortcut and modify the command properties. I am not in front of my ubuntu, but, essentially, you need to find the line in the graphical config that launches gedit, and insert "gksudo" in front of it. "gksudo gedit"-yadda yadda. Gksudo basically 'wraps' itself around the next command and says, launch that next command as a root-user in Gnome graphical mode. It will ask for your password. kc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Justin Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:32:21 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? Well I can't seem to save any changes to the grub.cfg file. It's in read only mode. I'm guessing I need to open it through the console somehow, so what would I type to be able to do that? It does look similar to how you described it. Thanks. menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-16-generic" { recordfail=1 if [ -n ${have_grubenv} ]; then save_env recordfail; fi set quiet=1 insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,5) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic root=UUID=05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-16-generic } On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Justin wrote: > > 5. Long boot time. After ubuntu is selected from grub, it seems like my >> system just sits there and does nothing but flash the _ cursor for 30-45 >> seconds. Maybe that part is normal? After the ubuntu logo shows the >> system >> is all booted up and useable within 30 seconds. When I select Windows >> from >> grub, it goes to my windows os selection screen within a second or two, >> then >> I pick xp and the xp loading screen pops up within a few more seconds. >> Then >> after about 20 more seconds xp is booted up. Just another 45 second wait >> for all those little stupid programs each piece of hardware seems to >> require >> to run, and then the system is useable. >> > > I think that's a GRUB2 problem. Take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I'll > bet it has a section like: > > menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,1) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set > 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server > root=UUID=6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 ro > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server > } > > (note lines warpped above). > > What I think it is doing is searching a lot of usb devices (many that don't > exist) for the UUID. Here is what you can try: > > Change the comment out the search line and make it look like: > > menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.28-11-server" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,1) > #search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set > 6b4c0339-5501-4a85-8351-e398e5252be8 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-server root=/dev/sda2 ro > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-server > } > > Change sda2 to your actual root partition. Use everything else as it it is > on your system. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:52:22 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 1 18:52:25 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> <487672101001011632r1f3187a3h124ec5d9f5567b83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E98C6.3090800@gmail.com> Justin wrote: > Well I can't seem to save any changes to the grub.cfg file. It's in read > only mode. I'm guessing I need to open it through the console somehow, so > what would I type to be able to do that? It does look similar to how you > described it. Thanks. > > menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-16-generic" { > recordfail=1 > if [ -n ${have_grubenv} ]; then save_env recordfail; fi > set quiet=1 > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,5) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic > root=UUID=05ab2413-3b14-4d8c-9bf7-f28babafd4c6 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-16-generic > } From the command line: su - (type password) vim /boot/grub/grub.cfg I'd remove the 'quiet splash' from the linux line so I can see what is going on. Your linux line should read: linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro Remember to comment out the search line with a leading #. Also, please trim your posts to the minimum needed and bottom post. -- Bruce From indubitableness at yahoo.com Fri Jan 1 20:43:50 2010 From: indubitableness at yahoo.com (David Hayden) Date: Fri Jan 1 20:43:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction Message-ID: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ? Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to linux I suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months but this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 love goin' around. ? I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 which I stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 release for the same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's because they both feel like beta releases. ? I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I wouldn't dream of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. ? That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always obey stuff I tell it to do. From mguhlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 21:27:29 2010 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Fri Jan 1 21:27:51 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <680452b51001011927u4c0faaf3o5145773e72e094cc@mail.gmail.com> Well, if you don't like Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS is a nice alternative. I'm open to other suggestions for starter, dependable distro. RedHat? That's what nice about GNU/Linux...there's a million distros to choose from. 8-> Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:43 PM, David Hayden wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to linux I > suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months but > this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 love goin' > around. > > I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 which I > stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 release for the > same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's because they > both feel like beta releases. > > I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I wouldn't dream > of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. > > That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always > obey stuff I tell it to do. > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 00:19:14 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Sat Jan 2 00:19:18 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <680452b51001011927u4c0faaf3o5145773e72e094cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <680452b51001011927u4c0faaf3o5145773e72e094cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3EE562.7020108@gmail.com> On 1/1/10 9:27 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: > Well, if you don't like Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS is a nice alternative. I'm open to > other suggestions for starter, dependable distro. RedHat? > SuSE (OpenSuSE now) was always known as being noob-friendly before there was Ubuntu. ~Nate From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 2 10:00:34 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:01:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3F6DA2.1070108@reglue.org> > That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always obey stuff I tell it to do. What's the Spiderman quote? 'With great power comes great responsibility.' There are systems that have fine grained control but that puts a lot of responsibility on the user e.g. the default Slackware install requires much more input and knowledge from the user. I am curious -- what do you mean 'it doesn't always obey stuff I tell it to do'? Many people applaud Linux Mint and Ubuntu Ultimate edition: http://ultimateedition.info/. As far as a cutting edge .deb based system, there's sidux: http://sidux.com/. From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 2 10:03:06 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:03:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3F6E3A.9020405@reglue.org> > Oh, and thanks to whomever suggested using PlayOnLinux! > http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/12/internet-explorer-on-gnulinux.html > How does PlayOnLinux compare to: straight forward Wine? Cedega? Crossover? From mguhlin at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 10:12:21 2010 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Sat Jan 2 10:12:44 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3F6E3A.9020405@reglue.org> References: <8ee65edd1001010827l6f85ff4bgbb93f278b6be1e33@mail.gmail.com> <680452b51001011121s1caaad91uea7dd939970dad19@mail.gmail.com> <4B3F6E3A.9020405@reglue.org> Message-ID: <680452b51001020812x2f6bd14aq2f8691bdcb6fd021@mail.gmail.com> PlayonLinux reminds me a little of WINE-Doors (I haven't compared the apps list but it's pretty similar as I recall). Cedega (which I paid for awhile back) is nice and has a lot more apps to install. Since I'm running PlayonLinux on a netbook, I'm not going to take full advantage of everything. I did notice on my second install that IE6 in PlayOnLinux is the same as the ie4linux (you know, the funky icon): http://www.edsupport.cc/mguhlin/blog/archives/2006/09/entry_2117.htm PlayonLinux is a simple interface and I had a new GNU/Linux user installing it herself and installing IE...so, pretty easy. As to CrossOver, it's been a few years since I've seen it, but it's main advantage is being able to install apps from your original install media. PlayonLinux offers the same and claims it can use (WineBooster,WineMaster,WineConfig). Whether it works or not, I'm not sure. Again, I'm only going to use PlayonLinux on a netbook for specific apps (1-2) that I can't find equivalents for on UbuntuLinux. If I had a machine with more processor power, RAM, I'd explore more aggressively! Take care, Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Don Davis wrote: > > Oh, and thanks to whomever suggested using PlayOnLinux! >> http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/12/internet-explorer-on-gnulinux.html >> >> How does PlayOnLinux compare to: > straight forward Wine? > > Cedega? > > Crossover? > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 12:16:23 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Jan 2 12:16:32 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction Message-ID: <1037647604-1262456189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1753338227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi David, I'm still pretty new myself, as I've been lurking for a year or so and not going to the meetings! Ubuntu 1. I totally agree with you on the .10 releases. That's the best way I've heard it put, yet. Beta. 2. I couldn't disagree with you more on Ubuntu, overall... Look man, I hated it in the beginning just because the name is stupid... But... Linux is such a challenge in the beginning just to gain traction on. It changes so fast... It's VERY different from the DOS/Windows environment. I goofed around in Linux, pretending that if I went slow and methodical and determined that I could somehow catch up to all those Super-Nerd-Cool kernel hackers and mad script crafters. As if they didn't already have Master's Degrees in Low-Level Code-ology and years of background experience... Then, one day, I woke up and realized that I had been PIDDLING in Linux for nigh on 10 years and I really had nothing to show for it! That's when I found Fedora and allowed myself to like a finished distro, and stop worrying about how we got there. As if I was going to master all those steps in between that millions had struggled with!? After a while with Fedora, I learned to appreciate skipping ahead to a polished and pre-working Linux desktop. I finally took it one step further, during Ubuntu 8.04, and went with the most highly skipped-ahead distro ever conceived, Ubuntu. Sometimes, I DO feel like I cheated. BUT, come on... We are all intelligent enough to know that we are better off getting things sorted out on a box where 99% of it just works... So we can concetrate on hashing out the dark Linux details of whatever one specific cool topic we are obsessed with today. Ubuntu - cruddy name, game-changing Linux experience. kc ------Original Message------ From: David Hayden Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction Sent: Jan 1, 2010 8:43 PM ? Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to linux I suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months but this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 love goin' around. ? I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 which I stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 release for the same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's because they both feel like beta releases. ? I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I wouldn't dream of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. ? That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always obey stuff I tell it to do. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From bkfuth at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 13:07:24 2010 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Sat Jan 2 13:07:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenSourceFest Message-ID: <9b6ae23d1001021107k637a1407wac7c87f949b1f2f0@mail.gmail.com> Attention all lovers of open source everywhere! Please go to SATLUG dot ORG and follow the link to the Open Source Fest 2010. There are several great sessions planned for next week. I hope to see as many of you there as possible. You will notice that this is a rather small program compared to past festivals. Due to many factors I decided to have this abbreviated festival now and a much larger one later this summer. The one this summer will have workshops as we normally have. We have some excellent speakers lined up for this Open Source Fest--come out and show your support. Parking should be great--classes are not in session until the following week. I hope to see everyone Wednesday evening. Steve From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 2 13:20:18 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 2 13:20:14 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3F9C72.10801@rugmonster.org> On 1/1/2010 8:43 PM, David Hayden wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to linux I suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months but this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 love goin' around. > > I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 which I stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 release for the same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's because they both feel like beta releases. > > I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I wouldn't dream of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. > > That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always obey stuff I tell it to do. I have had issues with 9.10. I had been running it on my MSI Wind U100 netbook. 9.04 ran acceptably, but since upgrading, the system became almost painfully slow with and without the accelerated desktop effects enabled. Also, after upgrading to 9.10, I lost the ability to adjust the screen brightness. To be fair, the same thing happens in Fedora 12 and seems to be more of an issue with the Gnome Power Manager. At this point, I've switched to Debian testing with a very slimmed down environment. Slim instead of GDM, xmonad for my window manager + xmobar & trayer. I'm using Claws Mail instead of Thunderbird or Evolution so the slowest thing I'm running is firefox now. There are some things that aren't quite as seamless, such as having to unlock the gnome keyring for NetworkManager when I log in, but that's only minor and I can live with it. From mguhlin at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 14:25:05 2010 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Sat Jan 2 14:25:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B3F9C72.10801@rugmonster.org> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B3F9C72.10801@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <680452b51001021225q716df2afocce59873aeae554f@mail.gmail.com> Daniel: Howdy! Have you read this forum post--referenced by LifeHacker--on how to do away with the network requiring keyring login? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=f5de5634f4448d733a599c23e4bb0257&p=2776815&postcount=1 Would that solution work on the distro you're using now? Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On 1/1/2010 8:43 PM, David Hayden wrote: > >> Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to linux I >> suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months but >> this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 love goin' >> around. >> >> I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 which I >> stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 release for the >> same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's because they >> both feel like beta releases. >> >> I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I wouldn't dream >> of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. >> >> That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't always >> obey stuff I tell it to do. >> > > I have had issues with 9.10. I had been running it on my MSI Wind U100 > netbook. 9.04 ran acceptably, but since upgrading, the system became almost > painfully slow with and without the accelerated desktop effects enabled. > Also, after upgrading to 9.10, I lost the ability to adjust the screen > brightness. To be fair, the same thing happens in Fedora 12 and seems to be > more of an issue with the Gnome Power Manager. > > At this point, I've switched to Debian testing with a very slimmed down > environment. Slim instead of GDM, xmonad for my window manager + xmobar & > trayer. I'm using Claws Mail instead of Thunderbird or Evolution so the > slowest thing I'm running is firefox now. There are some things that aren't > quite as seamless, such as having to unlock the gnome keyring for > NetworkManager when I log in, but that's only minor and I can live with it. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 2 14:35:00 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 2 14:37:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <680452b51001021225q716df2afocce59873aeae554f@mail.gmail.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B3F9C72.10801@rugmonster.org> <680452b51001021225q716df2afocce59873aeae554f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D008B11-E28A-48DA-B688-F81D08FFE0C6@rugmonster.org> Yes, but I haven't had time (sick baby and getting ready to move) to figure out why it isn't working. Could be the way my session is getting setup via .xinit rather than the gnome-session-manager. I can mess with it later. It isn't a big bother right now. -- Daniel J. Givens On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: > Daniel: > Howdy! Have you read this forum post--referenced by LifeHacker--on > how to do > away with the network requiring keyring > login? > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=f5de5634f4448d733a599c23e4bb0257&p=2776815&postcount=1 > > Would that solution work on the distro you're using now? > > > Miguel Guhlin > Phone: 210-617-3330 > Email - mguhlin@gmail.com > Blog: http://mguhlin.org > Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daniel J. Givens >wrote: > >> On 1/1/2010 8:43 PM, David Hayden wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to satlug and relatively new to >>> linux I >>> suppose. I been subscribed to the mailing list for a couple months >>> but >>> this'll be my first post. I had to get in on all this ubuntu 9.10 >>> love goin' >>> around. >>> >>> I'm a dissenting voice here. I started using linux with 8.04 >>> which I >>> stuck with through to 9.04. I was dissatisfied with the 8.10 >>> release for the >>> same reasons I'm disappointed with the 9.10 release and it's >>> because they >>> both feel like beta releases. >>> >>> I'm a slacker myself but I use ubuntu for my family and I >>> wouldn't dream >>> of upgrading their machines as it would certainly just break things. >>> >>> That's just my two cents. Ubuntu bugs me in general. It doesn't >>> always >>> obey stuff I tell it to do. >>> >> >> I have had issues with 9.10. I had been running it on my MSI Wind >> U100 >> netbook. 9.04 ran acceptably, but since upgrading, the system >> became almost >> painfully slow with and without the accelerated desktop effects >> enabled. >> Also, after upgrading to 9.10, I lost the ability to adjust the >> screen >> brightness. To be fair, the same thing happens in Fedora 12 and >> seems to be >> more of an issue with the Gnome Power Manager. >> >> At this point, I've switched to Debian testing with a very slimmed >> down >> environment. Slim instead of GDM, xmonad for my window manager + >> xmobar & >> trayer. I'm using Claws Mail instead of Thunderbird or Evolution so >> the >> slowest thing I'm running is firefox now. There are some things >> that aren't >> quite as seamless, such as having to unlock the gnome keyring for >> NetworkManager when I log in, but that's only minor and I can live >> with it. >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From indubitableness at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 19:27:45 2010 From: indubitableness at yahoo.com (David Hayden) Date: Sat Jan 2 19:27:47 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > What's the Spiderman quote? 'With great power comes great responsibility.' > There are systems that have fine grained control but that puts a lot of > responsibility on the user e.g. the default Slackware install requires > much more input and knowledge from the user. > > I am curious -- what do you mean 'it doesn't always obey stuff I tell it > to do'? ? I made a few cron entries recently that were just completely ignored. I also had some trouble with limiting user account access. Stuff that I'm used to just working right away in slackware. ?Then there's this ssh thing. I always make keys and turn off passwords in my /etc/sshd_config so that only my laptop can ssh into any of the household systems. Sometimes ubuntu still prompts for passwords and allows a log in via ssh. Today I noticed it was working correctly but so far it's the first time ssh seems to obey the rules for this particular install. ? My personal boxes are Slackware and I just can't imagine any other distro appealing to me at this point. I'm far too comfortable with the Slackware way. For the mom, sister, and brother though it's got to be Ubuntu. They get windows dual boots but I discourage their use unless necessary. ? I'm rambling now and I'm beginning to lose any real point. I'll leave off with this. They say that if you give a man ubuntu he learns ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he learns redhat, but should you give him slackware, he will learn Linux. ? It's my absolute favorite and I heartily endorse it. From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 2 20:02:30 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:02:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3FFAB6.8060602@reglue.org> > > Then there's this ssh thing. I always make keys and turn off > passwords in my /etc/sshd_config so that only my laptop can ssh into > any of the household systems. Sometimes ubuntu still prompts for > passwords and allows a log in via ssh. Today I noticed it was working > correctly but so far it's the first time ssh seems to obey the rules > for this particular install. Wow. I haven't done much with Ubuntu. I'm always tempted to try it in a chroot, but the sound never works. Those ssh problems are serious show stoppers. I installed Ubuntu Karmic Koala on vbox. Editing the sshd_config file and restarting /etc/init.d/ssh worked fine to disable password logins. (Though using vbox I was only able to ssh in via ipv6 from the same box -- using a different box I was able to ssh in via ipv4.) I installed Debian for my mother and nieces and nephews. They don't even notice the difference. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 20:23:45 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:23:49 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B3FFFB1.9010807@gmail.com> David Hayden wrote: > They say that if you give a man ubuntu he learns > ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he learns redhat, but should you > give him slackware, he will learn Linux. If you *really* want to learn Linux, use Linux From Scratch. :) -- Bruce From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 2 20:27:09 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:27:14 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not to knock your abilities, but are you sure you did it right? For example, if you don't use 'crontab -e' to modify a user's crontab, the change won't get picked up until cron is restarted. If you make a change in sshd_config, you have to restart sshd. I have never had the issues you're talking about and they don't make sense if you are doing it right. And I have to disagree with the Slackware statement. Slackware definitely has its own way of doing things. Learning Linux is always learning the distro you're using unless you're doing everything from scratch. That's the nature of running a distro. The maintainer of the distro has done certain things to the way the packages fit their distro for consistency. -- Daniel J. Givens On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:27 PM, David Hayden wrote: >> What's the Spiderman quote? 'With great power comes great >> responsibility.' >> There are systems that have fine grained control but that puts a >> lot of >> responsibility on the user e.g. the default Slackware install >> requires >> much more input and knowledge from the user. >> >> I am curious -- what do you mean 'it doesn't always obey stuff I >> tell it >> to do'? > > I made a few cron entries recently that were just completely > ignored. I also had some trouble with limiting user account access. > Stuff that I'm used to just working right away in slackware. > > Then there's this ssh thing. I always make keys and turn off > passwords in my /etc/sshd_config so that only my laptop can ssh into > any of the household systems. Sometimes ubuntu still prompts for > passwords and allows a log in via ssh. Today I noticed it was > working correctly but so far it's the first time ssh seems to obey > the rules for this particular install. > > My personal boxes are Slackware and I just can't imagine any other > distro appealing to me at this point. I'm far too comfortable with > the Slackware way. For the mom, sister, and brother though it's got > to be Ubuntu. They get windows dual boots but I discourage their use > unless necessary. > > I'm rambling now and I'm beginning to lose any real point. I'll > leave off with this. They say that if you give a man ubuntu he > learns ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he learns redhat, but > should you give him slackware, he will learn Linux. > > It's my absolute favorite and I heartily endorse it. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sat Jan 2 20:28:17 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Jan 2 20:28:25 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1918427093-1262485702-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1027256120-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> YEAH!!! ------Original Message------ From: Bruce Dubbs Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] (no subject) Sent: Jan 2, 2010 8:23 PM David Hayden wrote: > They say that if you give a man ubuntu he learns > ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he learns redhat, but should you > give him slackware, he will learn Linux. If you *really* want to learn Linux, use Linux From Scratch. :) -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 01:23:36 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 01:23:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <288563.58701.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Geez David, I almost feel set-up and knocked down... Blind-sided... If you're a Slacker than why even bother with Ubuntu? Slack is universally known to have a higher learning curve than average. And thusly, Slackers are typically much more adept at the intricacies of the Linux OS and the scripts and configs that give a distro it's personality. Me, after a while, I decided that I was more interested in going ahead and getting some useful work out of Linux. When I picked up Fedora, I got my Mail and Web serving config-ed, and my DNS going. In like, less than a month... after years of piddling...! Lemme see... Oh, yeah! I picked up Ubuntu after just randomly checking it out one day. It ran flawlessly on my company Dell D620 and D630 laptops. All drivers installed fine with no fuss. Compiz worked out of the box. The AT&T wirless USB GSM card worked for Pete's sake. THAT'S what hooked me! Those kinds of details... I still run my servers from Gnome-less (gui-less) 8.04 server installs and a token CentOS 5.x machine runs my Scalix box, but why drag myself through the mud with the OS when I can "wrassle" with cooler stuff like that Cloud topic someone started a few days ago? That and, are you sure you don't like Ubuntu specifically or is it Debian-based distros in general that are not familiar to you? I must say, I hung on to Red Hat for the longest time since they had that whopping 85%+ market share in the early last decade, but those days are done and figuring out Apache and Sendmail and BIND are more interesting than "where is the network config script kept in this distro...?" updatedb slocate done. kc --- On Sat, 1/2/10, David Hayden wrote: > From: David Hayden > Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 7:27 PM > > What's the Spiderman quote? > 'With great power comes great responsibility.' > > There are systems that have fine grained control but > that puts a lot of > > responsibility on the user e.g. the default Slackware > install requires > > much more input and knowledge from the user. > > > > I am curious -- what do you mean 'it doesn't always > obey stuff I tell it > > to do'? > > ? I made a few cron entries recently that were just > completely ignored. I also had some trouble with limiting > user account access. Stuff that I'm used to just working > right away in slackware. > > ?Then there's this ssh thing. I always make keys and turn > off passwords in my /etc/sshd_config so that only my laptop > can ssh into any of the household systems. Sometimes ubuntu > still prompts for passwords and allows a log in via ssh. > Today I noticed it was working correctly but so far it's the > first time ssh seems to obey the rules for this particular > install. > > ? My personal boxes are Slackware and I just can't imagine > any other distro appealing to me at this point. I'm far too > comfortable with the Slackware way. For the mom, sister, and > brother though it's got to be Ubuntu. They get windows dual > boots but I discourage their use unless necessary. > > ? I'm rambling now and I'm beginning to lose any real > point. I'll leave off with this. They say that if you give a > man ubuntu he learns ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he > learns redhat, but should you give him slackware, he will > learn Linux. > > ? It's my absolute favorite and I heartily endorse it. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 02:07:05 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 02:07:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3E98C6.3090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <629394.44776.qm@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I can see where the trimming part comes from... Something I find very cumbersome on a Blackberry when I chime in during the day...but what is the history of the bottom post? Old timers? Every email system I have EVER used auto-top-posts... Is that an old DARPA/ARPANET mailing list thing? BBS system etiquitte from the 80's/90's... ...and yes, I remember the old bottom-post/top-post flame war from last year... (or was it the year before that...?) that never did seem to get resolved... Someone other than Bruce? I know how he feels... ... > I'd remove the 'quiet splash' from the linux line so I can > see what is going on. > > Your linux line should read: > > ???linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic > root=/dev/sda5 ro > > Remember to comment out the search line with a leading #. > > Also, please trim your posts to the minimum needed and > bottom post. > > ? -- Bruce > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 02:16:57 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 02:17:00 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <4B3E8CC9.6030209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <367533.73214.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Anyone wanna weigh two-cents on Grub 2? Grub 1.95 or 1.97 w/e has been fine for years... why the change? thx kc > I think that's a GRUB2 problem.? From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 02:28:33 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 02:28:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <487672101001011529p38d8daf3i99b728865b788975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467772.77065.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Justin, I'd call those HUGE issues in light of the fact that my Ubuntu installs work FLAWLESSLY or I blow em away... ...oh wait... see that other thread about 9.10 and all the .10 version felling like beta releases. I see others helping you track some of your issues, but I would suggest getting 9.04 and installing that. It sounds like this is your first foray into Ubuntu? 9.10? 7.10, 8.10 and now, 9.10 have let me down everytime. And 6.04, 7.04, 8.04, 9.04 make my heart sing. Everytime. Give that a whirl, buddy. My philosophy developed from being a trooper in the IT-for-money world is to invest only a finite amount of time into a computer problem before you evaluate what your time is worth as opposed to cashing it in and blowing away the problem with a clean install or different version/solution-altogether. ESPECIALLY if your WIFE is involved. My Lady gives NO SECOND CHANCES for Linux issues. Our EXTENSIVE home network has to function for her when she wants it to or she WILL go to Best Buy and buy her own damn printer and her own cellular modem and to hell with me and my experiments! I suggest tanking 9.10, now. Pick your battles. kc --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Justin wrote: > From: Justin > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 5:29 PM > I'm a new linux convert.? Just > switched over to Ubuntu 9.10 a few weeks > ago.? So far my main issue with it is that most of the > documentation uses > those stupid goofy names to refer to which distribution of > Ubuntu they're > talking about instead of the simple and clean > numbers.? I do however have a > few other more serious issues, but I haven't looked into > them much yet to > see about how to solve them. > > 1.? Wifes PC has some shared network folders shared in > a workgroup.? It's > the only other computer on the network.? I just want > to have some shared > folders on the linux machine visible on hers, and I want > her shared folders > visible on the linux machine.? I thought I set it up > right, but sometimes > she can only see my shared folders, sometimes I can only > see her shared > folders, and sometimes both computer can't see each others > shared folders at > all.? All I do is transfer movies between the > computers a few nights per > week so I don't really need any complication setup. > > 2.? My sata hd isn't showing up at all.? Got > Ubuntu installed on a 120gig > ide hd along with winxp.? The XP partition shows up > and is visible.? I also > got a blank 16gb ide drive that is visible, but I can't see > the 250gb sata > drive at all.? That's gonna be a bit of a problem if I > decide I need that > space later. > > 3.? Sometimes the network connection just drops out > completely.? I'm not > just disconnected from the internet, but I can't even see > my router.? I > would say it's a router problem but whenever this happens > everything still > works just fine from my wife laptop.? A restart fixes > this. > > 4.? Printer was recognized and worked just fine upon > plugging it in, but I > can't view the ink levels. > > 5.? Long boot time.? After ubuntu is selected > from grub, it seems like my > system just sits there and does nothing but flash the _ > cursor for 30-45 > seconds.? Maybe that part is normal?? After the > ubuntu logo shows the system > is all booted up and useable within 30 seconds.? When > I select Windows from > grub, it goes to my windows os selection screen within a > second or two, then > I pick xp and the xp loading screen pops up within a few > more seconds.? Then > after about 20 more seconds xp is booted up.? Just > another 45 second wait > for all those little stupid programs each piece of hardware > seems to require > to run, and then the system is useable. > > Those are it, my only issues.? They're not really big > problems right now so > I just live with them and haven't had time to look into how > to solve them. > Other than that this systems working just fine. > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Miguel Guhlin > wrote: > > > I definitely have to agree with the recommendation to > run Ubuntu Karmic > > Koala (v9.10). It works smoothly on every box I've > thrown it on--including > > Dell netbooks, laptops, desktops, and intel Macs > running as dual boot, as > > well as virtually. > > > > In addition, a friend of a colleague introduced me to > LinuxMint. It's > > working great, as well, although I keep getting > tempted to switch back to > > plain Gnome GUI. > > > > Oh, and thanks to whomever suggested using > PlayOnLinux! > > http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/12/internet-explorer-on-gnulinux.html > > > > Wishing you a Happy New Year, > > > > Miguel Guhlin > > Phone: 210-617-3330 > > Email - mguhlin@gmail.com > > Blog: http://mguhlin.org > > Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ed Coates > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Don Wright > > > wrote: > > > > So what do y'all think of the newly-released > Ubuntu 9.10? And who's > > > > waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term > support version targeted for > > April > > > > 29?? --Don > > > > > > > I can honestly say that version 9.10 is the best > one yet.? It upgraded > > > flawlessly on my Gateway 5350 laptop.? After > installing > > > ubuntu-restricted-extras, it even runs the flash > games on facebook > > > without any issues.? I don't mess with the > server iso, what I do is > > > install the desktop iso, and then start > installing all the packages > > > I'll need for the server.? I.E. apache2, > mysql5, php5, etc.? Makes it > > > easier for me since I remotely access the desktop > using > > > nxserver/nxclient over ssh.? I've even > loaded it up in a virtualbox on > > > my work laptop and have it work through there. > > > > > > All in all, I would highly recommend this one for > anyone who wants to > > > try Linux out to see what it's about. > > > > > > Ed > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 02:36:17 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 02:36:18 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: Wireless LAN mini USB adapter In-Reply-To: <1829E0D0F1024AA7B5633608E42DC339@Control> Message-ID: <383345.30905.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Doug, I would totally try Ubuntu 9.04 and maybe 9.10. They both ran my AT&T USB cellular adapter out of the box. Also, Ubuntu has more stuff preconfigured from install than any distro I have ever seen. 9.10 was released in October, so, it has a chance of more drivers... but I find the X.10 releases buggy. Try 9.04 and let us know how it goes? kc --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Doug wrote: > From: Doug > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] re: Wireless LAN mini USB adapter > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:32 AM > Does anyone know if any of the Linux > packages support the WU240G ConnectGear adapter? > > The manufacturere web site only shows driver availability > for various windows versions and no mention ofany flavor of > Linux. > > Thanks. > > Doug > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From indubitableness at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 08:34:07 2010 From: indubitableness at yahoo.com (David Hayden) Date: Sun Jan 3 08:34:09 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh Message-ID: <476938.22809.qm@web57402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ?? Hey sorry about that No Subject title on my last post I'm still kind new to mailing lists. I wanted to address a couple people's responses. > If you *really* want to learn Linux, use Linux From Scratch.? :) > >? -- Bruce ? Agreed, As for an excellent initial LFS building environment... Slackware anyone? >? Not to knock your abilities, but are you sure you did it right? For? > example, if you don't use 'crontab -e' to modify a user's crontab, the? > change won't get picked up until cron is restarted. If you make a? > change in sshd_config, you have to restart sshd. I have never had the? > issues you're talking about and they don't make sense if you are doing? > it right. > > ? And I have to disagree with the Slackware statement. Slackware? > definitely has its own way of doing things. Learning Linux is always? > learning the distro you're using unless you're doing everything from? > scratch. That's the nature of running a distro. The maintainer of the? > distro has done certain things to the way the packages fit their? > distro for consistency. > -- > Daniel J. Givens ? With cron I was just learning how to configure it so I'm sure I just did something stupid like assume Ubuntu runs cron in it's default services. As for ssh. I've been using ssh for some time and I can assure you I'm familiar with the process of configuring it. Believe me I'm exactly aware of how little sense this problem makes. ? As for your sentiments about distros and their inherent uniqueness I can say I agree entirely. I would, however, choose to point out that it is precisely the slackware way that provides for the user to obtain such a fundamental education in the core aspects of the GNU/Linux Operating System. Everything I've learned on this distro with perhaps the exception of package management is applicable to every GNU/Linux, and many UNIX systems. It's an excellent distro for anyone wanting to learn the basics. > Geez David, > >? I almost feel set-up and knocked down... Blind-sided... If you're a Slacker than why >even bother with Ubuntu? Slack is universally known to have a higher learning curve >than average. And thusly, Slackers are typically much more adept at the intricacies of >the Linux OS and the scripts and configs that give a distro it's personality. Me, after a >while, I decided that I was more interested in going ahead and getting some useful >work out of Linux. When I picked up Fedora, I got my Mail and Web serving config-ed, >and my DNS going. In like, less than a month... after years of piddling...! > >Lemme see... Oh, yeah! I picked up Ubuntu after just randomly checking it out one >day. It ran flawlessly on my company Dell D620 and D630 laptops. All drivers >installed fine with no fuss. Compiz worked out of the box. The AT&T wirless USB GSM >card worked for Pete's sake. THAT'S what hooked me! Those kinds of details... > >I still run my servers from Gnome-less (gui-less) 8.04 server installs and a token >CentOS 5.x machine runs my Scalix box, but why drag myself through the mud with >the OS when I can "wrassle" with cooler stuff like that Cloud topic someone started a >few days ago? > >That and, are you sure you don't like Ubuntu specifically or is it Debian-based distros >in general that are not familiar to you? I must say, I hung on to Red Hat for the longest >time since they had that whopping 85%+ market share in the early last decade, but >those days are done and figuring out Apache and Sendmail and BIND are more >interesting than "where is the network config script kept in this distro...?" > > updatedb > > slocate > > > done. > > > > > kc ?? Slow down man! You've read quite a lot into my comments so far. I've been a slacker for something like 9 months or more. My first experience with Linux was Ubuntu 8.04 and I've always been big fan. At no point did I intend to imply that I dislike Ubuntu. There are fiddly little things about it that bug me is all. "Why even bother with Ubuntu?" Well you have a point with this one, but as I mentioned when I introduced myself I use Ubuntu on the family's common computer. My brother also uses Ubuntu at his place so I have a fair deal of experience administrating Ubuntu boxes. It would be cruel of me to expect them to master Slackware. ? Straight Debian has never really thrilled me. It's a nice stable system but it's never really caught my eye. I'm a command line jockey and I try to keep my desktop lightweight and minimal. The distros that appeal to me most pretty much boil down to slackware, arch, and CLI installs of Ubuntu. I must say that I caught your implication that Slackware is somehow too difficult or too demanding to "Get some useful work done" as it were and I must protest. For me Slackware has been my most productive environment which is why I am so consistently drawn to it for all my personal computing needs. Perhaps you're thinking of Gentoo... Am I right? hah. ? My three most often used distros are Slackware, Ubuntu, and DSL in that order. That's all I need. From dondavis at reglue.org Sun Jan 3 08:54:03 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sun Jan 3 08:54:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? In-Reply-To: <467772.77065.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <467772.77065.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B40AF8B.2080801@reglue.org> > ESPECIALLY if your WIFE is involved. My Lady gives NO SECOND CHANCES > for Linux issues. Our EXTENSIVE home network has to function for her > when she wants it to or she WILL go to Best Buy and buy her own damn > printer and her own cellular modem and to hell with me and my > experiments! I've noticed this one as well. No matter how flawlessly everything is networked and working as soon as there is a hint of a problem -- it's because of what I 'rigged' up. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 13:46:32 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 3 13:46:35 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <476938.22809.qm@web57402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Actually, I still can't believe I am defending Ubuntu... can we call it something else? American imperialist scum here prefers an English name for his distro... :) Nah, Nah... the implication wasn't that one can't anything done with Slackware... it was that *I* can't get anything done running in circles chasing distros. I got hung up in the logic puzzles that were the flame wars of the early 2000's - each singing the praises of the Red Hat file structure and config layout over the Debian one. Oh but BSD is more like REAL Unix. Hey, the COOL haxors use SlackWare! Well, the banks use a lot of Solaris, so it must be reliable. Whatever the military uses, now that's respectable..! Bash vs. Csh vs Tcsh vs etc, etc. The Red Hat vs. BSD vs. Debian vs. LFS. Everytime I went to build a package, something was deprecated, my documentation was 6 months old and no longer worked, etc. I just spun out for near a decade...! Meanwhile, I had gotten real work in IT and learned so many things that a computer could DO besides play games and infect alien motherships with Jeff Goldblum's virii... I just wanted to get on with it already! That's when I said, "OK, Red Hat has the market share. They have the most potential future job offers. Fedora works out of the box, lemme just get started with SOMETHING that WORKS!" (Ok, that's a clearer, flameless version of my Linux-evolution... sorry for the earlier mud! And, Yes, I was probably associating Gentoo in there somewhere! >@ ) What drew YOU to SlackWare, David? I should have asked that question two posts ago. kc > ?? Slow down man! You've read quite a lot into my > comments so far. I've been a slacker for something like 9 > months or more. My first experience with Linux was Ubuntu > 8.04 and I've always been big fan. At no point did I intend > to imply that I dislike Ubuntu. There are fiddly little > things about it that bug me is all. "Why even bother with > Ubuntu?" Well you have a point with this one, but as I > mentioned when I introduced myself I use Ubuntu on the > family's common computer. My brother also uses Ubuntu at his > place so I have a fair deal of experience administrating > Ubuntu boxes. It would be cruel of me to expect them to > master Slackware. > > ? Straight Debian has never really thrilled me. It's a > nice stable system but it's never really caught my eye. I'm > a command line jockey and I try to keep my desktop > lightweight and minimal. The distros that appeal to me most > pretty much boil down to slackware, arch, and CLI installs > of Ubuntu. I must say that I caught your implication that > Slackware is somehow too difficult or too demanding to "Get > some useful work done" as it were and I must protest. For me > Slackware has been my most productive environment which is > why I am so consistently drawn to it for all my personal > computing needs. Perhaps you're thinking of Gentoo... Am I > right? hah.. > > ? My three most often used distros are Slackware, Ubuntu, > and DSL in that order. That's all I need. > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 14:32:14 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jan 3 14:32:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B40FECE.7040706@gmail.com> KC wrote: > Nah, Nah... the implication wasn't that one can't anything done with > Slackware... it was that *I* can't get anything done running in > circles chasing distros. I got hung up in the logic puzzles that were > the flame wars of the early 2000's - each singing the praises of the > Red Hat file structure and config layout over the Debian one. Oh but > BSD is more like REAL Unix. Hey, the COOL haxors use SlackWare! Well, > the banks use a lot of Solaris, so it must be reliable. Whatever the > military uses, now that's respectable..! Bash vs. Csh vs Tcsh vs etc, > etc. The Red Hat vs. BSD vs. Debian vs. LFS. You forgot vi vs emacs (runs and hides) :) -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 15:24:32 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:24:34 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <737932.25756.qm@web57404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001031324j78e28f4bxd1a2d2a87812411@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, David Hayden wrote: > > ? I made a few cron entries recently that were just completely ignored. I also had some trouble with limiting user account access. Stuff that I'm used to just working right away in slackware. Where did you add these entries and how? System crontab or user-level? Did you verify that the commands actually work in the cron environment? The most common error I see is that there are environment variables (such as $PATH) set differently in cron so commands do not behave the same way. Check your syslog and see if cron is throwing any errors. > > ?Then there's this ssh thing. I always make keys and turn off passwords in my /etc/sshd_config so that only my laptop can ssh into any of the household systems. Sometimes ubuntu still prompts for passwords and allows a log in via ssh. Today I noticed it was working correctly but so far it's the first time ssh seems to obey the rules for this particular install. Hopefully you mean /etc/ssh/sshd_config, modern systems organize their configuration files a little differently. Make sure you have the following set in your sshd_config: RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes PasswordAuthentication no I'm not sure if Slackware uses PAM in SSH these days, but that will cause some different behavior than you're used to if it does not (Debian/Ubuntu do). Also check your public keys on your client side, make sure ~/.ssh is chmod 700 and the keys inside are chmod 600, otherwise your ssh client won't even try sending the keys and fallback to passwords. Run ssh -v when you connect to troubleshoot. > > ? My personal boxes are Slackware and I just can't imagine any other distro appealing to me at this point. I'm far too comfortable with the Slackware way. For the mom, sister, and brother though it's got to be Ubuntu. They get windows dual boots but I discourage their use unless necessary. Welcome to the 21st century! > > ? I'm rambling now and I'm beginning to lose any real point. I'll leave off with this. They say that if you give a man ubuntu he learns ubuntu and if you give him Redhat he learns redhat, but should you give him slackware, he will learn Linux. > > ? It's my absolute favorite and I heartily endorse it. > Last time I touched a Slackware box is when I converted it to Debian because the previous admin botched a glibc upgrade. Why someone was messing with custom-compiled glibc on a production server is beyond me, but oh well. I started on Red Hat, switched to Debian in 1998 and haven't looked back. I have of course used other distributions through work and friends, and they all have their little quirks, but at the end of the day it's still Linux. With Debian/Ubuntu you have the option of being the lazy user who never looks under the hood, or you can be the advanced user an tear it apart as easily as Slackware. With Slackware you just don't get the option ;) -Henry From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jan 3 15:25:48 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:25:46 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B410B5C.5080504@lookcee.com> Hay KC & David, Since you prefer top post I am. I thought I would just comment on the Bundy distro (is that English enough?) U-8.04. I started off trying to get Redhat 7.2 working I even bought the install box when it was on the shelves and while I did get it to finally boot up I never really got it to running and then finally DSL was available to me in rural E-TX and I started getting more interested in getting free of MS and the troubles of spys, ad servers etc. and I got a copy of Fedora-X and i was having lots of config probs and was very frustrated and about then Dan G suggested that I might do better with Ubuntu and a frin sent me a copy of U- 5.04. I have stayed with the silly names till I got to 8.04 and decided since it was LTS, was doing all my work great, to stop there. I have been grateful to Dan ever since and he has been of help to many, bless his heart and the others on the list that are so generous with their time. I know nothing about Slackware altho I have tried out a few other distros. I do not care for programming I am bad at language. I have some sight problems with 79+old eyes and of course there is the problem of remembering my name on waking much less code, so CLI jockey I ain't. I have been reading all the post for 3yrs now and it seems to me that struggling beginners like myself are better off using a well maintained distro that has an update manager to watch over us, is way better. YAY for Synaptic. I guess it depends on the individuals needs. If one cannot find a distro you like. You can DL LFS and build your own. That would be way deeper than I really want to go so I will wait for April when the next U-10.04 is released and upgrade then. Until then I recommend trying a Bundy to anyone who ask about Linux. And then there is this: The term /fedora/ was in use as early as 1891. Originally a women's fashion into the 20th century, the fedora came into use in about 1919, as a men's middle-class clothing accessory. Its popularity soared, and eventually it eclipsed the similar-looking Homburg by the early 1920s. Fedoras can be found in nearly any color imaginable, but black, grey, tan, brown, and red are the most popular. The word /fedora/ comes from the title of an 1882 play by Victorien Sardou , F?dora , written for Sarah Bernhardt .^[2] The play was first performed in the U.S. in 1889. Bernhardt played Princess F?dora, the heroine of the play, and she wore a hat similar to a fedora. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora And this: /Fedora vs Ubuntu ... http://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+vs+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a And this: //Ubuntu vs Slackware/ /http://www.google.com/search?q=slackware+vs+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a I think it's all been said... hh / KC wrote: > Actually, I still can't believe I am defending Ubuntu... can we call it something else? American imperialist scum here prefers an English name for his distro... :) > > Nah, Nah... the implication wasn't that one can't anything done with Slackware... it was that *I* can't get anything done running in circles chasing distros. I got hung up in the logic puzzles that were the flame wars of the early 2000's - each singing the praises of the Red Hat file structure and config layout over the Debian one. Oh but BSD is more like REAL Unix. Hey, the COOL haxors use SlackWare! Well, the banks use a lot of Solaris, so it must be reliable. Whatever the military uses, now that's respectable..! Bash vs. Csh vs Tcsh vs etc, etc. The Red Hat vs. BSD vs. Debian vs. LFS. Everytime I went to build a package, something was deprecated, my documentation was 6 months old and no longer worked, etc. I just spun out for near a decade...! Meanwhile, I had gotten real work in IT and learned so many things that a computer could DO besides play games and infect alien motherships with Jeff Goldblum's virii... I just wanted to get on with it already! > > That's when I said, "OK, Red Hat has the market share. They have the most potential future job offers. Fedora works out of the box, lemme just get started with SOMETHING that WORKS!" > > (Ok, that's a clearer, flameless version of my Linux-evolution... sorry for the earlier mud! And, Yes, I was probably associating Gentoo in there somewhere! >@ ) > > What drew YOU to SlackWare, David? I should have asked that question two posts ago. > > kc > > > > > >> Slow down man! You've read quite a lot into my >> comments so far. I've been a slacker for something like 9 >> months or more. My first experience with Linux was Ubuntu >> 8.04 and I've always been big fan. At no point did I intend >> to imply that I dislike Ubuntu. There are fiddly little >> things about it that bug me is all. "Why even bother with >> Ubuntu?" Well you have a point with this one, but as I >> mentioned when I introduced myself I use Ubuntu on the >> family's common computer. My brother also uses Ubuntu at his >> place so I have a fair deal of experience administrating >> Ubuntu boxes. It would be cruel of me to expect them to >> master Slackware. >> >> Straight Debian has never really thrilled me. It's a >> nice stable system but it's never really caught my eye. I'm >> a command line jockey and I try to keep my desktop >> lightweight and minimal. The distros that appeal to me most >> pretty much boil down to slackware, arch, and CLI installs >> of Ubuntu. I must say that I caught your implication that >> Slackware is somehow too difficult or too demanding to "Get >> some useful work done" as it were and I must protest. For me >> Slackware has been my most productive environment which is >> why I am so consistently drawn to it for all my personal >> computing needs. Perhaps you're thinking of Gentoo... Am I >> right? hah.. >> >> My three most often used distros are Slackware, Ubuntu, >> and DSL in that order. That's all I need. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 15:27:24 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:27:26 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <4B40FECE.7040706@gmail.com> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4B40FECE.7040706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001031327p1c82037q302e734f65e9522c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > You forgot vi vs emacs (runs and hides) :) > Does OS X install emacs by default? Apple users should be used to 5-6 finger key combinations ;) -Henry From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 15:34:28 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:34:36 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <4B410B5C.5080504@lookcee.com> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4B410B5C.5080504@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1569950933-1262554473-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703947322-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Heh heh heh heh! Well put, Herb! Bravo! Bundy...? Hmmm... as in Ted Bundy or Al Bundy? I dunno. Murderer or moron... Tough choice. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Herb Cee Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:25:48 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh Hay KC & David, Since you prefer top post I am. I thought I would just comment on the Bundy distro (is that English enough?) U-8.04. I started off trying to get Redhat 7.2 working I even bought the install box when it was on the shelves and while I did get it to finally boot up I never really got it to running and then finally DSL was available to me in rural E-TX and I started getting more interested in getting free of MS and the troubles of spys, ad servers etc. and I got a copy of Fedora-X and i was having lots of config probs and was very frustrated and about then Dan G suggested that I might do better with Ubuntu and a frin sent me a copy of U- 5.04. I have stayed with the silly names till I got to 8.04 and decided since it was LTS, was doing all my work great, to stop there. I have been grateful to Dan ever since and he has been of help to many, bless his heart and the others on the list that are so generous with their time. I know nothing about Slackware altho I have tried out a few other distros. I do not care for programming I am bad at language. I have some sight problems with 79+old eyes and of course there is the problem of remembering my name on waking much less code, so CLI jockey I ain't. I have been reading all the post for 3yrs now and it seems to me that struggling beginners like myself are better off using a well maintained distro that has an update manager to watch over us, is way better. YAY for Synaptic. I guess it depends on the individuals needs. If one cannot find a distro you like. You can DL LFS and build your own. That would be way deeper than I really want to go so I will wait for April when the next U-10.04 is released and upgrade then. Until then I recommend trying a Bundy to anyone who ask about Linux. And then there is this: The term /fedora/ was in use as early as 1891. Originally a women's fashion into the 20th century, the fedora came into use in about 1919, as a men's middle-class clothing accessory. Its popularity soared, and eventually it eclipsed the similar-looking Homburg by the early 1920s. Fedoras can be found in nearly any color imaginable, but black, grey, tan, brown, and red are the most popular. The word /fedora/ comes from the title of an 1882 play by Victorien Sardou , F?dora , written for Sarah Bernhardt .^[2] The play was first performed in the U.S. in 1889. Bernhardt played Princess F?dora, the heroine of the play, and she wore a hat similar to a fedora. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora And this: /Fedora vs Ubuntu ... http://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+vs+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a And this: //Ubuntu vs Slackware/ /http://www.google.com/search?q=slackware+vs+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a I think it's all been said... hh / KC wrote: > Actually, I still can't believe I am defending Ubuntu... can we call it something else? American imperialist scum here prefers an English name for his distro... :) > > Nah, Nah... the implication wasn't that one can't anything done with Slackware... it was that *I* can't get anything done running in circles chasing distros. I got hung up in the logic puzzles that were the flame wars of the early 2000's - each singing the praises of the Red Hat file structure and config layout over the Debian one. Oh but BSD is more like REAL Unix. Hey, the COOL haxors use SlackWare! Well, the banks use a lot of Solaris, so it must be reliable. Whatever the military uses, now that's respectable..! Bash vs. Csh vs Tcsh vs etc, etc. The Red Hat vs. BSD vs. Debian vs. LFS. Everytime I went to build a package, something was deprecated, my documentation was 6 months old and no longer worked, etc. I just spun out for near a decade...! Meanwhile, I had gotten real work in IT and learned so many things that a computer could DO besides play games and infect alien motherships with Jeff Goldblum's virii... I just wanted to get on with it already! > > That's when I said, "OK, Red Hat has the market share. They have the most potential future job offers. Fedora works out of the box, lemme just get started with SOMETHING that WORKS!" > > (Ok, that's a clearer, flameless version of my Linux-evolution... sorry for the earlier mud! And, Yes, I was probably associating Gentoo in there somewhere! >@ ) > > What drew YOU to SlackWare, David? I should have asked that question two posts ago. > > kc > > > > > >> Slow down man! You've read quite a lot into my >> comments so far. I've been a slacker for something like 9 >> months or more. My first experience with Linux was Ubuntu >> 8.04 and I've always been big fan. At no point did I intend >> to imply that I dislike Ubuntu. There are fiddly little >> things about it that bug me is all. "Why even bother with >> Ubuntu?" Well you have a point with this one, but as I >> mentioned when I introduced myself I use Ubuntu on the >> family's common computer. My brother also uses Ubuntu at his >> place so I have a fair deal of experience administrating >> Ubuntu boxes. It would be cruel of me to expect them to >> master Slackware. >> >> Straight Debian has never really thrilled me. It's a >> nice stable system but it's never really caught my eye. I'm >> a command line jockey and I try to keep my desktop >> lightweight and minimal. The distros that appeal to me most >> pretty much boil down to slackware, arch, and CLI installs >> of Ubuntu. I must say that I caught your implication that >> Slackware is somehow too difficult or too demanding to "Get >> some useful work done" as it were and I must protest. For me >> Slackware has been my most productive environment which is >> why I am so consistently drawn to it for all my personal >> computing needs. Perhaps you're thinking of Gentoo... Am I >> right? hah.. >> >> My three most often used distros are Slackware, Ubuntu, >> and DSL in that order. That's all I need. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >>_______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Jan 3 15:57:54 2010 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Jan 3 15:57:55 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <1569950933-1262554473-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703947322-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4B410B5C.5080504@lookcee.com> <1569950933-1262554473-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703947322-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B4112E2.9080209@satx.rr.com> I immediately thought of the Bundy family, too. But does the name refer to the brain-dead dad, the promiscuous mom, the narcissistic daughter, or the smart-alec son? Al Lesmerises kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > Heh heh heh heh! > > Well put, Herb! Bravo! > > Bundy...? Hmmm... as in Ted Bundy or Al Bundy? I dunno. Murderer or moron... Tough choice. > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb Cee > Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:25:48 > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh > > ... I thought I would just comment on the Bundy distro ... > From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jan 3 16:03:44 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jan 3 16:03:42 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: no subject heh In-Reply-To: <4B4112E2.9080209@satx.rr.com> References: <717859.38400.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4B410B5C.5080504@lookcee.com> <1569950933-1262554473-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703947322-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4112E2.9080209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4B411440.80107@lookcee.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I immediately thought of the Bundy family, too. But does the name > refer to the brain-dead dad, the promiscuous mom, the narcissistic > daughter, or the smart-alec son? > > Al Lesmerises Actually I wasn't thinking of a proper name, I was just slanging to eliminate the U thingy. lol hh From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 23:30:24 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Jan 3 23:30:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Please Avoid Message-ID: any contests that involve flames or urination or especially flaming urine. Thanks to all. -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 00:09:40 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Jan 4 00:09:43 2010 Subject: OT [SATLUG] Please Avoid Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001032209k19dbd46drb1027e9646cd1fbc@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Howard Haradon wrote: > any contests that involve flames or urination or > especially flaming urine. > > Thanks to all. This sounds like a 151 bet gone wrong .. From lamont_doss at satx.rr.com Sun Jan 3 23:44:46 2010 From: lamont_doss at satx.rr.com (Clifton L Doss) Date: Mon Jan 4 00:24:25 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... and Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B3EE562.7020108@gmail.com> References: <624877.75217.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <680452b51001011927u4c0faaf3o5145773e72e094cc@mail.gmail.com> <4B3EE562.7020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DC7FDCA-FE55-4A2D-A13D-65C65F282FC3@satx.rr.com> Another vote for openSuse, which is the best KDE4 running IMHO. I haven't bothered to log into the Gnome desktop and it's been 2 months since my last install. Karmic was ok, for whatever reason I still think that ubuntu is missing something. It's prob an aesthetic thing. Personal issue. Etc. More my problem than Ubuntu's. And I'm not ashamed to admit that. On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Nate wrote: > On 1/1/10 9:27 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: >> Well, if you don't like Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS is a nice alternative. >> I'm open to >> other suggestions for starter, dependable distro. RedHat? >> > > SuSE (OpenSuSE now) was always known as being noob-friendly before > there was Ubuntu. > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 01:43:20 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Jan 4 01:43:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction Message-ID: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> For me, KDE 4 stuck a fork in the whole K environment. Too dramatic. I actually like the Gnome/XFCE style layout. I actually dig Fluxbox quite a bit, and when I get a spare week, I will probably build a custom Flux config to get acustomed to. But, KDE4 is bananas. If we get a mind-machine interface to drive the GUI, some kinda of telepathy-mouse or something, then I'd look at KDE4 again. I was on the fence with version 3. I liked Knoppix and BackTrack with version 3, but now that they forked so hard left, I can't follow anymore. kc ------Original Message------ From: Clifton L Doss Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Cc: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction Sent: Jan 3, 2010 11:44 PM Another vote for openSuse, which is the best KDE4 running IMHO. I haven't bothered to log into the Gnome desktop and it's been 2 months since my last install. Karmic was ok, for whatever reason I still think that ubuntu is missing something. It's prob an aesthetic thing. Personal issue. Etc. More my problem than Ubuntu's. And I'm not ashamed to admit that. On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Nate wrote: > On 1/1/10 9:27 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: >> Well, if you don't like Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS is a nice alternative. >> I'm open to >> other suggestions for starter, dependable distro. RedHat? >> > > SuSE (OpenSuSE now) was always known as being noob-friendly before > there was Ubuntu. > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jan 4 07:28:45 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Jan 4 07:28:48 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <1037647604-1262456189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1753338227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1037647604-1262456189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1753338227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B41ED0D.5090503@grandecom.net> Its important to remember that the normal releases of Ubuntu should in-fact be considered very mature Beta releases. This would include releases 8.10 thru 9.10. the last longterm support (LTS) release 8.04 is a much more stable and grounded release. If you cannot tolerate having beta quality software on you machine then I would suggest staying with the LTS. Personally 9.10 has been a pretty good release (much better then 8.10 was) but in my opinion the improvements over 9.04 have not been as dramatic as the changes between 7.10 and 8.04. My servers are running 8.04 LTS and I am indeed waiting with baited breath for 10.04 as I now will have LTS support for my Mythbox and the HVR-1600/1800 tv cards (which didn't receive support until 8.10). If stable enough I may just stay with the next LTS on all of my machines. Todd From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jan 5 00:00:05 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Tue Jan 5 00:00:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 04 January 2010 01:43:20 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > For me, KDE 4 stuck a fork in the whole K environment. Too dramatic. Yeah.. I set up with KDE4 on my MythTV box (running 9.10 IIRC).. but I just don't "Get it". I'll need to either eventually get it.. or just run XFCE and load the needed KDE stuff so that I can continue using KMail... Any big "Pro KDE 4 Interface" weenies in herewho think they can convince me how great KDE 4 is? :) Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 00:23:07 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jan 5 00:23:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B42DACB.2040401@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 04 January 2010 01:43:20 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> For me, KDE 4 stuck a fork in the whole K environment. Too dramatic. > > Yeah.. I set up with KDE4 on my MythTV box (running 9.10 IIRC).. but I just > don't "Get it". I'll need to either eventually get it.. or just run XFCE and > load the needed KDE stuff so that I can continue using KMail... > > Any big "Pro KDE 4 Interface" weenies in herewho think they can convince me > how great KDE 4 is? :) I still use KDE3 which is Qt3 based. I understand the motivation to update to a Qt4 based system, but I don't see the need of changes to the user interface. If course I'm not a big gui user. I really like konsole for a terminal, and I like ksnapshot, but those are about all the KDE programs I use. I don't really care for the Gnome look and feel. The nice thing about building your own system is that you only upgrade when you want to and what you want. On my system, other tools like mysql and apache are quite recent. -- Bruce From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 02:21:18 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Jan 5 02:21:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <4B42DACB.2040401@gmail.com> References: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org><4B42DACB.2040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <720775461-1262679686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-257299227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Right Bruce, BUT... I'm a high maintenance, long-term-support kinda guy when it comes to that damned "deprecated" word. GAWD I HATE THAT WORD!!! Sorry, I digress...! (As usual...) What I'm afraid of is that they will retire KDE3. I was still at the tail end of my "formative years," if you will, when I finally decided to throw myself into KDE3 only to find that BIZARRE trip it took a few months after I had declared my love for it... That's when I pulled a "safety" maneuver and wed my goose-heart to good ole Gnome. Just seemed like it was going to have the most staying power. In the least, KDE4 has a totally ARTSY feel. Artsy = trendy = flaky = Not I. It does artsy VERY WELL, but I feel that it will drift out of style or morph into another monster. I'd rather morph more productive things into fresh new monsters... Like a Linux home automation project, or CNC rig, I'm looking at clustering experiments and Scalix/Zimbra/OX/SunCommServer or just plain a nice gaming server with a nicely done and maintained blog/gamer site running on an old SPARC... (WOOT! XCSSA... :-p ) The interface should be a means to an end... Or how about a passing thought that works so well, I don't notice it..? (Gosh, it IS pretty though, 4 is...) kc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dubbs Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:23:07 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 04 January 2010 01:43:20 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> For me, KDE 4 stuck a fork in the whole K environment. Too dramatic. > > Yeah.. I set up with KDE4 on my MythTV box (running 9.10 IIRC).. but I just > don't "Get it". I'll need to either eventually get it.. or just run XFCE and > load the needed KDE stuff so that I can continue using KMail... > > Any big "Pro KDE 4 Interface" weenies in herewho think they can convince me > how great KDE 4 is? :) I still use KDE3 which is Qt3 based. I understand the motivation to update to a Qt4 based system, but I don't see the need of changes to the user interface. If course I'm not a big gui user. I really like konsole for a terminal, and I like ksnapshot, but those are about all the KDE programs I use. I don't really care for the Gnome look and feel. The nice thing about building your own system is that you only upgrade when you want to and what you want. On my system, other tools like mysql and apache are quite recent. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dondavis at reglue.org Tue Jan 5 06:39:06 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Tue Jan 5 06:39:14 2010 Subject: KDE4 - was [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions? ... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B4332EA.60405@reglue.org> > Any big "Pro KDE 4 Interface" weenies in herewho think they can convince me > how great KDE 4 is? :) > I don't know about weenies. I was a bit skeptical at first when I installed it. It also occurred as I hosed the xorg. When I reinstalled I was going to stick with KDE 3.5 but the default in Squeeze was KDE4. Once upon a time I started out with Gnome and I thought I would always stick with it because KDE looked to 'Windowsy.' I discovered, however, that Linus Torvalds used KDE so I thought I'd give it a chance. I quickly discovered they did a lot of things I liked from the start e.g. Python shells available at the start. There was enough to transition me. KDE also had (has?) a lighter footprint than Gnome. The I tried KDE 4. The screen opened with the plasmoids and I was a bit overwhelmed. Then I discovered that my projector didn't automatically get it's own desktop (and kaffeine was gone). Exporting the video wasn't a big deal. (In the newer version of KDE4, there is dual control of monitors, but I believe I preferred the export command.) What I like about KDE4. It takes the whole 'Desktop' as a dumping ground for stuff. It's an option; you can view it or not. Most of the time I choose not to view it. I know some people who use the 'process monitoring plasmoids' but for me that seems a waste. When I want to know what's going on I use htop. Most of the time I don't even notice (I accidentally replaced the KDE4 menu with the 3.5 and haven't bothered to switch it back). It probably doesn't matter what I use Pros: No desktop clutter. It's prettier than 3.5 and I don't notice much of a difference using it. Cons: The dictionary applet doesn't work. (This may seem minor, but I really like it.) Konsole still doesn't accept the ctrl+u+4 digit unicode input method. If I wanted to devote a lot of time to my desktop, I would do a well setup IceWM or possibly Sawfish. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jan 5 20:59:19 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Jan 5 20:59:22 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question Message-ID: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> So I'm studying for my Net+ and I run across the following Question. what is the connon name for a program that has no useful purpose, but attempts to spread itself to other systems and often damages resources oon the systems where it is found? a. Java applets b. Windows Messenger c. Trojan horse d. Virus I kinda had trouble with this one as they all seemed to the bill..ha ha Todd From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 21:15:35 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jan 5 21:15:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> References: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> Message-ID: e. None of the above. The correct answer is Microsoft Windows. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > So I'm studying for my Net+ and I run across the following Question. > > what is the connon name for a program that has no useful purpose, but > attempts to spread itself to other systems and often damages resources oon > the systems where it is found? > a. Java applets > b. Windows Messenger > c. Trojan horse > d. Virus > > I kinda had trouble with this one as they all seemed to the bill..ha ha > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bkfuth at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 21:19:29 2010 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Tue Jan 5 21:19:32 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenSourceFest Message-ID: <9b6ae23d1001051919p5ae5fc7fi9166b5c0ef00e40d@mail.gmail.com> Hope to see everyone tomorrow evening at 6:00 p.m. Steve From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 6 06:02:33 2010 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Wed Jan 6 06:03:00 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> References: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <1A3A2DDB08604A17A2EE0BF8BBA735EC@Control> I answered D. and was considered correct. Why is it called a virus? because it is an infection. They are created by computer nerds who have no life away from their desktop/laptop. Microsoft costs money and hogs resources, while most Linux is free, so my question is why is Microsoft so dominant? On one of my desktop I run Windows 7 Professional, with a Linux postfix mail server running in virtual space, and this box really runs well and reliable. so there! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd W. Bucy" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question > So I'm studying for my Net+ and I run across the following Question. > > what is the connon name for a program that has no useful purpose, but > attempts to spread itself to other systems and often damages resources oon > the systems where it is found? > a. Java applets > b. Windows Messenger > c. Trojan horse > d. Virus > > I kinda had trouble with this one as they all seemed to the bill..ha ha > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jan 6 06:10:30 2010 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jan 6 06:10:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <1A3A2DDB08604A17A2EE0BF8BBA735EC@Control> Message-ID: <201001061210.o06CAU2Z015812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Microsoft costs money and hogs resources, while most Linux is free, so my > question is why is Microsoft so dominant? > The same question was asked back in 1998 by John Kirch (when the question was Linux vs. Windows NT 4 server, see http://www.lege.com/unix-nt/). Here is an excerpt.... Why Windows NT Server 4.0 continues to exist in the enterprise would be a topic appropriate for an investigative report in the field of psychology or marketing, not an article on information technology. Technically, Windows NT Server 4.0 is no match for any UNIX operating system, not even the non-commercial BSDs or Linux. A manager is not expected to have the technical expertise of a systems administrator with 15 years of industry experience. There is no shame in not having the facts, only in being ignorant of such facts, which will in the end cost your employer, and eventually all consumers, money. The aim of this article is to give you these facts, and prove that they are facts, because facts are not debatable. -b. From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 08:43:14 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jan 6 08:43:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenSourceFest In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d1001051919p5ae5fc7fi9166b5c0ef00e40d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d1001051919p5ae5fc7fi9166b5c0ef00e40d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:19 PM, steve kolars wrote: > Hope to see everyone tomorrow evening at 6:00 p.m. > > Steve > -- Hi to all, It would be great to have a couple of you not-Newbies attend any of the Newbie sessions in room 122 (formerly room 025). For today we will be viewing some short clips of Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds including one of RMS portraying Saint IGNU-tias. I could use a little back-up as there will surely be questions that need more elaboration. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 6 08:50:02 2010 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Wed Jan 6 08:50:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <201001061210.o06CAU2Z015812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <201001061210.o06CAU2Z015812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: Good answer to my rather sarcastic question. Of Course it is the marketing budget. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Borries Demeler" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Network+ Question >> Microsoft costs money and hogs resources, while most Linux is free, so my >> question is why is Microsoft so dominant? >> > > The same question was asked back in 1998 by John Kirch (when the question > was Linux vs. Windows NT 4 server, see http://www.lege.com/unix-nt/). > Here is an excerpt.... > > Why Windows NT Server 4.0 continues to exist in the enterprise > would be a topic appropriate for an investigative report in the > field of psychology or marketing, not an article on information > technology. Technically, Windows NT Server 4.0 is no match > for any UNIX operating system, not even the non-commercial > BSDs or Linux. A manager is not expected to have the technical > expertise of a systems administrator with 15 years of industry > experience. There is no shame in not having the facts, only in > being ignorant of such facts, which will in the end cost your > employer, and eventually all consumers, money. The aim of this > article is to give you these facts, and prove that they are facts, > because facts are not debatable. > > -b. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 09:48:06 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jan 6 09:48:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: References: <201001061210.o06CAU2Z015812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Doug wrote: > Good answer to my rather sarcastic question. ?Of Course it is the marketing > budget. > In my opinion, the main reason is that MS is an entrenched monopoly. They have used and continue to use anti- competitive methods. In the US MS has benefited from the justice department's uneven concern about their practices and their ability to eventually find an appeals court judge who never saw a monopoly he didn't like (the business of America is business, and all that). In Europe it has been a different story as the courts there know how to spot monopolistic practices. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jan 6 10:14:53 2010 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jan 6 10:14:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Doug wrote: > > Good answer to my rather sarcastic question. =A0Of Course it is the marke= > ting > > budget. > > > > In my opinion, the main reason is that MS is an entrenched > monopoly. They have used and continue to use anti- > competitive methods. In the US MS has benefited from > the justice department's uneven concern about their > practices and their ability to eventually find an appeals > court judge who never saw a monopoly he didn't like (the > business of America is business, and all that). In Europe > it has been a different story as the courts there know how > to spot monopolistic practices. > Another reason is that the general populus doesn't demand any better. The average joe has no clue of what their computer could do if it were to run Linux, and is quite content with the mediocrity they get when they buy a generic PC with Windows preloaded (as they are with so many other things Americans buy). Curiously, if something doesn't work, they *always* either blame their own lack of knowledge or assume the hardware is at fault and go out and buy a bigger and more expensive MS computer. There is this blind trust that the OS could not be at fault (most people don't even know what an OS is, and assume the OS is part of the hardware). What gets me is that even after you explain the "facts" (see John Kirch's article) they still insist on running MS, because everyone else does it and they bought into the FUD that Linux requires an insurmountable learning curve, which, by the way, barely anyone would be willing to climb. :-( -b. -b. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 13:06:22 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jan 6 13:06:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <1A3A2DDB08604A17A2EE0BF8BBA735EC@Control> References: <4B43FC87.2010901@grandecom.net> <1A3A2DDB08604A17A2EE0BF8BBA735EC@Control> Message-ID: <4B44DF2E.9000608@gmail.com> Doug wrote: > I answered D. and was considered correct. Why is it called a virus? > because it is an infection. Because it spreads from one system to another. -- Bruce From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Jan 6 15:57:08 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Jan 6 15:57:15 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100106155708.59b26dd7@givenstx.com> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:37:54 -0600 Michael wrote: > The natasha.stmary.edu mirror doesn't seem to work. Any Debian users > on the list who can recommend a _reliable_ mirror? http://mirror.rackspace.com/debian/ From dondavis at reglue.org Wed Jan 6 17:16:22 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Wed Jan 6 17:16:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> . Curiously, if something doesn't work, they *always* > either blame their own lack of knowledge or assume the hardware is at > fault and go out and buy a bigger and more expensive MS computer. There > is this blind trust that the OS could not be at fault (most people don't > even know what an OS is, and assume the OS is part of the hardware). Unless of course it's an OS there not familiar with? Then suddenly they might blame all kinds of non-relevant things on the OS. I've run Linux the last few years at home and haven't had to do much with M$. I talk to a few people outside of Linux circles about Linux and they always tout the ease of M$ and how they couldn't get the wireless drivers to work in Linux. It's unfortunate that it happens. However, I am a lot less sensitive since I've seen some crazy stuff that an M$ install doesn't recognize e.g. run of the mill onboard _sound_ drivers that any Linux live cd would support. Not to mention the big nasty mess of finding stuff for M$. Bleah. Millions of websites with useless (precompiled) crap, malware, and spyware. Most drivers don't even come with md5 sums. Gnu/Linux software repositories are great things. > > What gets me is that even after you explain the "facts" (see John > Kirch's article) they still insist on running MS, because everyone else > does it and they bought into the FUD that Linux requires an insurmountable > learning curve, which, by the way, barely anyone would be willing to climb. > There is a lot of FUD and there are a lot of entrenched users who have no motivation to rock the boat. Server got hacked because it was M$? What did you expect me to do? (I followed the M$ hand book.) Most Linux users have run DOS and its incarnations - for me DOS 2.0, DOS 5.0, win 95, win 98, xp, etc.. and yet we love Linux. How many of those so vehemently opposed to Linux that tout the 'virtues' of M$ have really used M$? ps - I love anti M$ threads. From dondavis at reglue.org Wed Jan 6 17:20:50 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Wed Jan 6 17:20:52 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> Michael wrote: > Hello folks! > > The natasha.stmary.edu mirror doesn't seem to work. Any Debian users on > the list who can recommend a _reliable_ mirror? That was a real disappointment. It just quit working one day. I've been using the default since then. There's a netselect-apt to help find the fastest debian mirror. http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/05/using-netselect-apt-tip-to-select.html I also had a shell script to poll all available Debian mirrors to check for the fastest. Wow. A rackspace Debian repository!? That's great. Rackspace seems to do a lot of worthwhile things. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 18:41:06 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Jan 6 18:41:29 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> Message-ID: I know the guy who runs that mirror....let me shoot him an email.... On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Don Davis wrote: > Michael wrote: > >> Hello folks! >> >> The natasha.stmary.edu mirror doesn't seem to work. Any Debian users on >> the list who can recommend a _reliable_ mirror? >> > > That was a real disappointment. It just quit working one day. I've been > using the default since then. > > There's a netselect-apt to help find the fastest debian mirror. > http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/05/using-netselect-apt-tip-to-select.html > > I also had a shell script to poll all available Debian mirrors to check for > the fastest. > > Wow. A rackspace Debian repository!? That's great. Rackspace seems to do a > lot of worthwhile things. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jan 6 19:07:47 2010 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jan 6 19:07:51 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> Message-ID: <201001070107.o0717lPM030626@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > There is a lot of FUD and there are a lot of entrenched users who have > no motivation to rock the boat. Server got hacked because it was M$? > What did you expect me to do? (I followed the M$ hand book.) That's another one...maintaining status quo! an administrator would never take the risk of exploring something new that may fail, since his job probably is a lot safer if he just sticks with mediocrity. So the most violent opposition will be mounted by those un-innovative IT heads that never learned anything besides MS and rely on it for everything, plus you can BUY an expensive commercial "supported solution" from some vendor, and the higher ups equate the $$$ spent with improved functionality. > Most Linux users have run DOS and its incarnations - for me DOS 2.0, DOS > 5.0, win 95, win 98, xp, etc.. and yet we love Linux. How many of those > so vehemently opposed to Linux that tout the 'virtues' of M$ have really > used M$? I guess you meant to say ...have really used Linux. In any case, I'm pretty sure they haven't. I get no particular kick out of bashing any company, incl. MS. But I do carry a big grudge for every second of my life I wasted trying to fix some stupid windows problem or recovering from data loss due to fs corruption or infection. I quit using Windows back during Win 3.0 days, save for the occasional VMWare instance running Microcal Origin and Turbotax, both programs I like and cannot get for Linux. -b. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 6 19:39:08 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jan 6 19:39:18 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> Message-ID: <201001061939.08817.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 06 January 2010 05:20:50 pm Don Davis wrote: [...] > Wow. A rackspace Debian repository!? That's great. Lots of other distros too: http://mirror.rackspace.com/debian/ $ elinks -dump http://mirror.rackspace.com/ Index of / [1][ICO] [2]Name [3]Last modified [4]Size [5]Description ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [6][DIR] [7]CPAN/ 05-Jan-2010 17:01 - [8][DIR] [9]CentOS/ 28-Sep-2009 18:29 - [10][DIR] [11]FreeBSD/ 19-Jan-2009 00:32 - [12][DIR] [13]centos/ 28-Sep-2009 18:29 - [14][DIR] [15]cpan/ 05-Jan-2010 17:01 - [16][DIR] [17]debian-security/ 03-Jan-2010 07:13 - [18][DIR] [19]debian/ 05-Jan-2010 22:24 - [20][DIR] [21]dell/ 21-Nov-2008 10:14 - [22][DIR] [23]epel/ 05-Jan-2010 17:28 - [24][DIR] [25]fedora/ 06-Jan-2010 01:17 - [26][DIR] [27]freebsd/ 19-Jan-2009 00:32 - [28][DIR] [29]gentoo-portage/ 06-Jan-2010 08:05 - [30][DIR] [31]gentoo/ 06-Jan-2010 07:00 - [32][DIR] [33]ius/ 01-Jan-2010 11:44 - [34][DIR] [35]kernel.org/ 23-Sep-2008 19:53 - [36][DIR] [37]openSUSE/ 29-Oct-2009 13:00 - [38][DIR] [39]opensuse/ 29-Oct-2009 13:00 - [40][DIR] [41]redhat/ 19-Mar-2009 11:52 - [42][TXT] [43]robots.txt 12-Nov-2009 10:12 26 [44][DIR] [45]ubuntu/ 06-Jan-2010 08:12 - > Rackspace seems to do > a lot of worthwhile things. We try... :) Really though.. You'll find it will probably get you the best speed in town. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 6 19:53:21 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jan 6 19:53:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> References: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> Message-ID: <201001061953.22196.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 06 January 2010 05:16:22 pm Don Davis wrote: > . Curiously, if something doesn't work, they *always* > > > either blame their own lack of knowledge or assume the hardware is at > > fault and go out and buy a bigger and more expensive MS computer. There > > is this blind trust that the OS could not be at fault (most people don't > > even know what an OS is, and assume the OS is part of the hardware). > > Unless of course it's an OS there not familiar with? Then suddenly they > might blame all kinds of non-relevant things on the OS. > > I've run Linux the last few years at home and haven't had to do much > with M$. I talk to a few people outside of Linux circles about Linux and > they always tout the ease of M$ and how they couldn't get the wireless > drivers to work in Linux. It's unfortunate that it happens. The last several installs I did.. it just worked. Not only this.. but now wireless on Linux is MUCH easier to detect, display and connect to that Windows ever was. > > What gets me is that even after you explain the "facts" (see John > > Kirch's article) they still insist on running MS, because everyone else > > does it and they bought into the FUD that Linux requires an > > insurmountable learning curve, which, by the way, barely anyone would be > > willing to climb. > > There is a lot of FUD and there are a lot of entrenched users who have > no motivation to rock the boat. Server got hacked because it was M$? > What did you expect me to do? (I followed the M$ hand book.) I've got a section on Linux FUD and myths in my Linux Desktop presentation here: http://xcssa.org/files/files/LINUX-DESKTOP-2008-03-22/img19.html > Most Linux users have run DOS and its incarnations Heh... I would argue that.. except for us old farts.. ;) > ps - I love anti M$ threads. On the flip side.. I tell people to use the right tool for the right job. If your application requires ASP/activeX, don't try to hack something like that on Linux. Use it on what it was intended for... Windowze. If you have a choice.. then go ahead and show the TCO savings in the form of RECURRING SAVINGS when using F/OSS. That will always win arguments with the bean counters. :) Even if your execs require a "contract" or want something to sign and someone sue... they can still go with open source by signing a contract with Red Hat or Novel and save 30% as compared to MS. I can't believe that I got trolled into this discussion.. hehe.. I thought that I was too tired for this. :) Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 20:22:39 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jan 6 20:22:43 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <201001061953.22196.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> <201001061953.22196.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B45456F.7050001@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > I've got a section on Linux FUD and myths in my Linux Desktop presentation > here: > http://xcssa.org/files/files/LINUX-DESKTOP-2008-03-22/img19.html As I read your slides, another thought came to me. With MS apps, you need to go to multiple vendors (MS, Dreamweaver, Adobe, etc). If you want a major company like SuSE or RH to support them all, you have one stop shopping. That makes contracts a lot easier. -- Bruce From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 6 21:32:54 2010 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:32:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <201001061939.08817.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> <201001061939.08817.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <3giak59k0aemnmm1i85pnavnrf9s964upi@4ax.com> Tweeks wrote: > http://mirror.rackspace.com/debian/ >You'll find it will probably get you the best speed in town. Good speed, but http://debian.osuosl.org/debian is more complete according to the number of misses I get when building the weekly DVD[1] using the Rackspace mirror just now. What upstream does Rackspace sync to, and how often? --Don [1] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ I build copies of the weekly 'testing' set for amd64 and i386, using jigdo and the previous week as a seed. Thus only changes need to be downloaded. -- 2010 Winter Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-8 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 6 21:36:16 2010 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jan 6 21:36:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <201001070107.o0717lPM030626@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <201001070107.o0717lPM030626@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4B4556B0.1050009@satx.rr.com> Borries Demeler wrote: > That's another one...maintaining status quo! an administrator would never > take the risk of exploring something new that may fail, since his job probably > is a lot safer if he just sticks with mediocrity. So the most violent > opposition will be mounted by those un-innovative IT heads that never learned > anything besides MS and rely on it for everything, plus you can BUY an > expensive commercial "supported solution" from some vendor, and the higher ups > equate the $$$ spent with improved functionality. Another BIG reason is the installed codebase. The company I work for has a very extensive, sophisticated, custom, in-house developed Windows-based information management system front-end that they've spent untold thousands of man-hours developing. The company literally lives and dies by this system -- it is the absolute essential core of virtually every aspect of company operations. Management would look at the task to convert that system to another OS and they would have a heart attack. True, it would cost an enormous amount of time and money, but they can't (or don't want to) see the payback -- it's too long for their shareholders. They want to see an ROI of just a couple of years at most, and this would definitely not meet that criteria. Yet another reason they don't want to change is that they see the costs of retraining their entire workforce (well over 4000 people) as also being too high. But I think the biggest reason is uncertainty. They don't know enough about Linux, so they figure the risks are too great to even contemplate switching. Al Lesmerises From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 03:27:46 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jan 7 03:27:51 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <720775461-1262679686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-257299227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <361981456-1262591008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2092408664-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001050000.05850.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B42DACB.2040401@gmail.com> <720775461-1262679686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-257299227-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:21 AM, wrote: > Right Bruce, BUT... > > I'm a high maintenance, long-term-support kinda guy when it comes to that damned "deprecated" word. GAWD I HATE THAT WORD!!! > > Sorry, I digress...! (As usual...) > > What I'm afraid of is that they will retire KDE3. I was still at the tail end of my "formative years," if you will, when I finally decided to throw myself into KDE3 only to find that BIZARRE trip it took a few months after I had declared my love for it... That's when I pulled a "safety" maneuver and wed my goose-heart to good ole Gnome. Just seemed like it was going to have the most staying power. > > In the least, KDE4 has a totally ARTSY feel. Artsy = trendy = flaky = Not I. It does artsy VERY WELL, but I feel that it will drift out of style or morph into another monster. I'd rather morph more productive things into fresh new monsters... > > Like a Linux home automation project, or CNC rig, I'm looking at clustering experiments and Scalix/Zimbra/OX/SunCommServer or just plain a nice gaming server with a nicely done and maintained blog/gamer site running on an old SPARC... > > (WOOT! ?XCSSA... ?:-p ?) > > The interface should be a means to an end... Or how about a passing thought that works so well, I don't notice it..? > > (Gosh, it IS pretty though, 4 is...) > > > kc > Is it possible to make KDE4 look and function like KDE3? I couldn't figure out how or even where to start. Anybody got any idea where to start? All the KDE features I like and use are working in PCLinuxOS KDE3. PCLinuxOS, like all OSes, has some good and some bad points as an OS. I still prefer KDE to Gnome. The Kubuntu and Mint KDE ran KDE4 the last time I checked. If I knew enough I could probably make KDE3 work on any OS but then it might be just as easy to make KDE4 look and function like KDE3, which is what I want. rdp From ftm at satx.rr.com Thu Jan 7 07:04:50 2010 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:05:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> References: <201001061614.o06GErL8027576@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4B4519C6.2030305@reglue.org> Message-ID: >. Curiously, if something doesn't work, they *always* >> either blame their own lack of knowledge or assume the hardware is at >> fault and go out and buy a bigger and more expensive MS computer. There >> is this blind trust that the OS could not be at fault (most people don't >> even know what an OS is, and assume the OS is part of the hardware). > > Unless of course it's an OS there not familiar with? Then suddenly they > might blame all kinds of non-relevant things on the OS. > > There is a lot of FUD and there are a lot of entrenched users who have no > motivation to rock the boat. Server got hacked because it was M$? What did > you expect me to do? (I followed the M$ hand book.) > > Most Linux users have run DOS and its incarnations - for me DOS 2.0, DOS > 5.0, win 95, win 98, xp, etc.. and yet we love Linux. How many of those so > vehemently opposed to Linux that tout the 'virtues' of M$ have really used > M$? > > ps - I love anti M$ threads. While I realize there is much emotion exhibited by the Linux geeks, vs. Microsoft, and those who have gone to the trouble of learning, (or graduating to) a command line interface, and memorizing the cryptic commands which run, install, update, configure Linux versions, the fact remains that you guys/gals are in somewhat a minority as compared to computer users , thanks to MS marketing and deals cut with computer manufacturers. Some of you miss out of a few of the well-designed and presented graphics developed, albeit at considerable cost, developed on the Windows platform. Some don't even care because the bare bones machines that windows' users have had to trash continue to run for you using the lightweight Linux system and methodology but do not have the power to gen up for graphics intensive applications. Many Linux users in the course of their employment, are required to embrace and maintain a combination of the two, with the reliable server systems vs., the more user-friendly windows environment used by the rank and file in many work environments. Many of us do not approach computing on the cheap and thus have a slightly different perspective. We do, however, greatly respect those who do, as they have invested innovation and compromise in order to keep on trucking in this environment. As for me, I do prefer Linux, powered servers for supporting web hosting, and email services, especially Postfix as it is very simple to maintain, configure and then leave alone. But I still have an affection for GUI interfaces and the point and click methodology, and in my aged state do no longer have to remember the library of command line syntax many of you live with from day to day without giving it a second thought. I do still remember the days of DOS and the myriad of batch files I used to get the job done, and frankly am kind of glad those days are long gone. Who would have thought in those days that I could put an entire distribution on a USB thumb drive and install from there on to a completely wiped machine and have it work immediately. But no, I don't hate MS or the Windows environment, and use it daily as well. I am impressed with the new capabilities of Windows 7, and the ability to support multiple virtual machines one running Linux server for email, another for Linux running a web server, and still another running a version of Windows Server for Windows web sites, and still another running the database server. All on one box, and frankly it runs just fine and seems to have no conflicts with each other. All this runs on a single box, with one network card, one fixed IP number, the base system as well as the virtual machines each running their own anti-virus/anti-spyware applications and much more. Now, I think this is technology at work and the best of two worlds. I have even contracted with a Linux guru to log in remotely to that portion and maintain the mail server, while I manage the Web and database servers. All of the environments talk to each other as needed and have been problem free so far. According to the network meter, the box does not even breathe hard when under load as well. From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 07:47:42 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Jan 7 07:47:47 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > ?I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, > cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct > terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of > virtualization, although not incompatible with it: > with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one > physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many computers > "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's graveyard of older > computers: could they be yoked together to function something like the > computing clouds? > I've seem some things out there that look as though they might possibly deal > with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache Hadoop, but I'm just > mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. > The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I know > lots of things have been tried especially for large computational projects. > I don't know about home or small business projects, however. > I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of some > theoretical and practical interest to me. > > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- I found this article by James Gaskin. He has been writing for Network World for years. "Clouds Now Strong Enough To Support Your Business" Add software and services without adding hardware Small Business Tech By James E. Gaskin , Network World , 10/07/2009 [Article excerpt] Technology makes life easier for small businesses, even if you can't see that while cursing your personal computer for some problem or another today. Not only have hardware costs dropped by an order of magnitude over the past two decades, you can now run your business quite well without any hardware beyond one laptop or netbook for every employee. The fuzzily-named ?cloud? can support your business without any local hardware. And when you do want local hardware appliances, they should be tied into the cloud as well for disaster recovery support. Let's define ?cloud? as a hosted service leveraging hardware not in your location. You can have a private cloud, as many large companies do, by providing remote user services from a centralized but company owned data center. Mainframes could be called the original cloud with our definition, because few people were in the same location as their computer. [End excerpt] This is not a detailed "how to" but a game plan (Strategy). How the details are done is left to you. I found this link on his web site under "Articles": From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Jan 7 08:00:23 2010 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Jan 7 08:00:36 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201001071400.o07E0NU8021409@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > thanks to MS marketing and deals cut with computer manufacturers. Some of > you miss out of a few of the well-designed and presented graphics developed, > albeit at considerable cost, developed on the Windows platform. Some don't > even care because the bare bones machines that windows' users have had to Just to pick up on this point: I am pretty sure the one thing you are referring to is gaming, and I believe you are right, I don't know anything about gaming. To me that area is of little interest, since it is not what I use computers for. When it comes to high end graphics I am thinking of simulations and visualization in the scientific arena. Even here Linux is miles ahead of the MS/commercial world, with superlarge arrays and linux driven visualization programs. Here is a shot of Stallion at the Texas Advanced Computing Center, a visualization array with 75 x 30" flat panel high-res monitors (2560x1600 pixels/monitor, for a total of 307.2 megapixels), enough to make your eyes (and pocketbook) hurt: http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/fileadmin/images/resources/stallion1.jpg The computational backend is Longhorn (2048 cores, 128 NVIDIA Quadro Plex S4s, each containing 4 NVIDIA FX 5800s). Alternatively, you can feed data generated on Ranger (~65,000 compute cores, totaling more than half a petaflops and 123 terabytes (!) of RAM) or Lonestar (62 teraflops and 11.6 terabytes of RAM) through a 10 GB ethernet fat pipe. Needless to say, all of these resources run Linux. I have seen some of these simulations calculated and rendered up in the ACES visualization lab at TACC, they are astonishing. If you are interested in GPU processing, you can now use Linux to compile C++ programs for GPUs like NVIDIA Teslas and get some amazing speedups. Somehow, I don't feel left out or like I'm missing out when I want to use high-end graphics under Linux :-) We actually do a lot of work with TACC, and it is worth a visit. Maybe instead of a monthly get-together for the SATLUG group we should organize a trip to TACC (on the Pickle campus in Austin) so y'all can see the cool stuff that is going on up there. They have GREAT tours. -b. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 08:03:17 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 08:03:33 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ Question In-Reply-To: <201001071400.o07E0NU8021409@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <201001071400.o07E0NU8021409@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1592899908-1262873008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1947629563-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That tour sounds exciting... I have some vacation days coming up soon. :-) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Borries Demeler Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:00:23 To: Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Network+ Question > thanks to MS marketing and deals cut with computer manufacturers. Some of > you miss out of a few of the well-designed and presented graphics developed, > albeit at considerable cost, developed on the Windows platform. Some don't > even care because the bare bones machines that windows' users have had to Just to pick up on this point: I am pretty sure the one thing you are referring to is gaming, and I believe you are right, I don't know anything about gaming. To me that area is of little interest, since it is not what I use computers for. When it comes to high end graphics I am thinking of simulations and visualization in the scientific arena. Even here Linux is miles ahead of the MS/commercial world, with superlarge arrays and linux driven visualization programs. Here is a shot of Stallion at the Texas Advanced Computing Center, a visualization array with 75 x 30" flat panel high-res monitors (2560x1600 pixels/monitor, for a total of 307.2 megapixels), enough to make your eyes (and pocketbook) hurt: http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/fileadmin/images/resources/stallion1.jpg The computational backend is Longhorn (2048 cores, 128 NVIDIA Quadro Plex S4s, each containing 4 NVIDIA FX 5800s). Alternatively, you can feed data generated on Ranger (~65,000 compute cores, totaling more than half a petaflops and 123 terabytes (!) of RAM) or Lonestar (62 teraflops and 11.6 terabytes of RAM) through a 10 GB ethernet fat pipe. Needless to say, all of these resources run Linux. I have seen some of these simulations calculated and rendered up in the ACES visualization lab at TACC, they are astonishing. If you are interested in GPU processing, you can now use Linux to compile C++ programs for GPUs like NVIDIA Teslas and get some amazing speedups. Somehow, I don't feel left out or like I'm missing out when I want to use high-end graphics under Linux :-) We actually do a lot of work with TACC, and it is worth a visit. Maybe instead of a monthly get-together for the SATLUG group we should organize a trip to TACC (on the Pickle campus in Austin) so y'all can see the cool stuff that is going on up there. They have GREAT tours. -b. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dennis at myediscounts.com Thu Jan 7 09:05:24 2010 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 09:06:06 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Recycle Today! Message-ID: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer need or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. is taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT based equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but you for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for 1 deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT based equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just across IH35 from Splashtown. Thanks From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 11:26:12 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jan 7 11:26:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian Mirrors In-Reply-To: <3giak59k0aemnmm1i85pnavnrf9s964upi@4ax.com> References: <4B4502B2.30702@gmail.com> <4B451AD2.7060403@reglue.org> <201001061939.08817.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <3giak59k0aemnmm1i85pnavnrf9s964upi@4ax.com> Message-ID: So I got an answer for you about the Natasha mirror. I asked my friend who used to maintain it why it was down. His response was "why was it still up?" Apparently he had left STMU a while back along with the only other *nix admin. It apparently ran on its own for a while and most likely someone found it and shut it off. So in his own words, it will probably not come back up. He's actually glad it died because it seems STMU is not friendly to FOSS let alone Debian these days. I'm afraid I have to agree with him. E On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Don Wright wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > > http://mirror.rackspace.com/debian/ > > >You'll find it will probably get you the best speed in town. > > Good speed, but http://debian.osuosl.org/debian is more complete > according to the number of misses I get when building the weekly DVD[1] > using the Rackspace mirror just now. > > What upstream does Rackspace sync to, and how often? --Don > > > [1] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ > I build copies of the weekly 'testing' set for amd64 and i386, using > jigdo and the previous week as a seed. Thus only changes need to be > downloaded. > > -- > 2010 Winter Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > January 6-8 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 13:46:52 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Thu Jan 7 13:46:54 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I second this question... does anyone know? thx kc --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Robert Pearson wrote: > From: Robert Pearson > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 3:27 AM > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:21 AM,? > > wrote: > > Right Bruce, BUT... > > > > I'm a high maintenance, long-term-support kinda guy > when it comes to that damned "deprecated" word. GAWD I HATE > THAT WORD!!! > > > > Sorry, I digress...! (As usual....) > > > > What I'm afraid of is that they will retire KDE3. I > was still at the tail end of my "formative years," if you > will, when I finally decided to throw myself into KDE3 only > to find that BIZARRE trip it took a few months after I had > declared my love for it... That's when I pulled a "safety" > maneuver and wed my goose-heart to good ole Gnome. Just > seemed like it was going to have the most staying power. > > > > In the least, KDE4 has a totally ARTSY feel. Artsy = > trendy = flaky = Not I. It does artsy VERY WELL, but I feel > that it will drift out of style or morph into another > monster. I'd rather morph more productive things into fresh > new monsters... > > > > Like a Linux home automation project, or CNC rig, I'm > looking at clustering experiments and > Scalix/Zimbra/OX/SunCommServer or just plain a nice gaming > server with a nicely done and maintained blog/gamer site > running on an old SPARC... > > > > (WOOT! ?XCSSA... ?:-p ?) > > > > The interface should be a means to an end... Or how > about a passing thought that works so well, I don't notice > it..? > > > > (Gosh, it IS pretty though, 4 is...) > > > > > > kc > > > > > Is it possible to make KDE4 look and function like KDE3? I > couldn't > figure out how or even where to start. > Anybody got any idea where to start? > All the KDE features I like and use are working in > PCLinuxOS KDE3. > PCLinuxOS, like all OSes, has some good and some bad points > as an OS. > I still prefer KDE to Gnome. > The Kubuntu and Mint KDE ran KDE4 the last time I checked. > If I knew enough I could probably make KDE3 work on any OS > but then it > might be just as easy to make KDE4 look and function like > KDE3, which > is what I want. > > rdp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 15:14:35 2010 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jan 7 15:14:47 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer need > or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. is > taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an > enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT based > equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but you > for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for 1 > deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT based > equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at > www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just across > IH35 from Splashtown. > > Thanks > > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old junk. But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge recycling fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. John C. From dennis at myediscounts.com Thu Jan 7 15:36:05 2010 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 15:36:38 2010 Subject: OT [Satlug] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: That may be a California law, the problem is that the older equipment has to be broken down and disposed of in a manner that is friendly to the environment, and that cost a lot in labor and to get the right people to take the CRT glass, which lead is its primary component. I'll do some more research to find out if that is just a law in California. Thanks > On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer >> need >> or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. is >> taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an >> enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT >> based >> equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but you >> for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for 1 >> deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT based >> equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at >> www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just >> across >> IH35 from Splashtown. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old junk. > But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge recycling > fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the > pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California > state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. > > John C. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From michael at michaelrice.org Thu Jan 7 15:48:33 2010 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Thu Jan 7 15:48:39 2010 Subject: OT [Satlug] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can also take your stuff to Good Will. They have a contract with Dell and they will take all your old stuff then Dell gets it from them. http://reconnectpartnership.com/ <----- details On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > That may be a California law, the problem is that the older equipment has > to be broken down and disposed of in a manner that is friendly to the > environment, and that cost a lot in labor and to get the right people to > take the CRT glass, which lead is its primary component. I'll do some > more research to find out if that is just a law in California. > > Thanks > > > > On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > >> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer > >> need > >> or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. is > >> taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an > >> enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT > >> based > >> equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but you > >> for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for 1 > >> deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT based > >> equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at > >> www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just > >> across > >> IH35 from Splashtown. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > > > > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old junk. > > But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge recycling > > fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the > > pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California > > state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. > > > > John C. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dennis at myediscounts.com Thu Jan 7 16:02:17 2010 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 16:03:04 2010 Subject: OT [Satlug] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03cdef43ee1c7f1994448b329ea88498.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> The last I heard was that Goodwill doesn't take defective monitors, they only want the stuff that they can resell. Corona Visions will take defective monitors and they are certified by BAN (Basel Action Network) www.ban.org for those wanting additional info. thanks > You can also take your stuff to Good Will. They have a contract with Dell > and they will take all your old stuff then Dell gets it from them. > http://reconnectpartnership.com/ <----- details > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > >> That may be a California law, the problem is that the older equipment >> has >> to be broken down and disposed of in a manner that is friendly to the >> environment, and that cost a lot in labor and to get the right people to >> take the CRT glass, which lead is its primary component. I'll do some >> more research to find out if that is just a law in California. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> >> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer >> >> need >> >> or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. >> is >> >> taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an >> >> enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT >> >> based >> >> equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but >> you >> >> for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for >> 1 >> >> deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT >> based >> >> equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at >> >> www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just >> >> across >> >> IH35 from Splashtown. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old junk. >> > But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge recycling >> > fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the >> > pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California >> > state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. >> > >> > John C. >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dondavis at reglue.org Thu Jan 7 17:05:23 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Thu Jan 7 17:05:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4668B3.7000404@reglue.org> KC wrote: > I second this question... does anyone know? > KDE4 work like KDE3? It depends -- to what extent? Get rid of the new menu bar and enable the old one -- it looks pretty much like KDE3. Make the desktop visible -- one step closer. At that point it looks 90% like KDE3. Do you care about the file manager? Which KDE3 applets do you use? Do you want each desktop to have it's own 'look'? (Possible in KDE3 not yet in KDE4.) From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 17:48:53 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Jan 7 17:49:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction Message-ID: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Yes, yes and I'm not sure. Ok, you say, it's 90% if you change the menubar and show the desktop. What is the other 10%, in your view? (I think the menu and desktop are all I miss, but I'm not sure...) Thx for the response...! kc ------Original Message------ From: Don Davis Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction Sent: Jan 7, 2010 5:05 PM KC wrote: > I second this question... does anyone know? > KDE4 work like KDE3? It depends -- to what extent? Get rid of the new menu bar and enable the old one -- it looks pretty much like KDE3. Make the desktop visible -- one step closer. At that point it looks 90% like KDE3. Do you care about the file manager? Which KDE3 applets do you use? Do you want each desktop to have it's own 'look'? (Possible in KDE3 not yet in KDE4.) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jan 7 23:49:40 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Jan 7 23:49:47 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 =?iso-8859-1?q?impressions=3F=2E=2E=2E=09andIntroduction?= In-Reply-To: <4B4668B3.7000404@reglue.org> References: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4B4668B3.7000404@reglue.org> Message-ID: <201001072349.40503.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 07 January 2010 05:05:23 pm Don Davis wrote: > KC wrote: > > I second this question... does anyone know? > > KDE4 work like KDE3? > It depends -- to what extent? Get rid of the new menu bar and enable the > old one -- it looks pretty much like KDE3. Make the desktop visible -- > one step closer. At that point it looks 90% like KDE3. > Do you care about the file manager? > Which KDE3 applets do you use? > Do you want each desktop to have it's own 'look'? (Possible in KDE3 not > yet in KDE4.) Want to present on KDE4 at XCSSA? :) Tweeks From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Fri Jan 8 00:15:45 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 00:15:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction Message-ID: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> OMG Tweeks, you're shameless...! Heh heh heh ------Original Message------ From: Tweeks Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction Sent: Jan 7, 2010 11:49 PM On Thursday 07 January 2010 05:05:23 pm Don Davis wrote: > KC wrote: > > I second this question... does anyone know? > > KDE4 work like KDE3? > It depends -- to what extent? Get rid of the new menu bar and enable the > old one -- it looks pretty much like KDE3. Make the desktop visible -- > one step closer. At that point it looks 90% like KDE3. > Do you care about the file manager? > Which KDE3 applets do you use? > Do you want each desktop to have it's own 'look'? (Possible in KDE3 not > yet in KDE4.) Want to present on KDE4 at XCSSA? :) Tweeks -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From dondavis at reglue.org Fri Jan 8 06:45:02 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Fri Jan 8 06:45:05 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > Yes, yes and I'm not sure. Ok, you say, it's 90% if you change the menubar and show the desktop. What is the other 10%, in your view? (I think the menu and desktop are all I miss, but I'm not sure...) > Kaffeine is no longer the default video player. Dragon is. But that can be easily remedied. Some of the applets from KDE3 aren't available (and/or don't work) in KDE4. I miss the dictionary applet. Using a projector (and or a second screen) no longer automatically appears as it's own instance with it's own desktop. If you want that setup you may need to go through nvidia (or whatever ATI has) or xorg directly. You can easily adjust the resolution and sizes. (I prefer the 'this is a separate 800x600 desktop' to 'this desktop is the top left 1/2 of the main desktop'. KDE4 also no longer tries to run/configure everything through Konqueror (which I don't see as a bad thing). You still add things to the startup/ menu / and taskbar in pretty much the same way. From dennis at myediscounts.com Fri Jan 8 08:06:30 2010 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Fri Jan 8 08:06:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Why recycle: Basel Action Network Message-ID: <25be52c773a0a77c3ee2b6dbfbc09508.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> To learn more visit www.ban.org to see why recycling is so important. There are numerous people who take in used equipment, but not all dispose of it in a responsible manner. When you take your equipment to a recycler ask them what they do with their discarded equipment, does it go into a land fill or do they ship it overseas. Thanks Dennis From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 09:19:07 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jan 8 09:19:09 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <201001072349.40503.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4B4668B3.7000404@reglue.org> <201001072349.40503.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Tweeks wrote: > On Thursday 07 January 2010 05:05:23 pm Don Davis wrote: >> KC wrote: >> > I second this question... does anyone know? >> >> KDE4 work like KDE3? >> It depends -- to what extent? Get rid of the new menu bar and enable the >> old one -- it looks pretty much like KDE3. Make the desktop visible -- >> one step closer. At that point it looks 90% like KDE3. >> Do you care about the file manager? >> Which KDE3 applets do you use? >> Do you want each desktop to have it's own 'look'? (Possible in KDE3 not >> yet in KDE4.) > > Want to present on KDE4 at XCSSA? > :) > > Tweeks Hey !! SATLUG wants in too. Maybe do the same on Feb. 10th? Thanks for considering, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From michael at michaelrice.org Fri Jan 8 11:40:07 2010 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:40:11 2010 Subject: OT [Satlug] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: <03cdef43ee1c7f1994448b329ea88498.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> <03cdef43ee1c7f1994448b329ea88498.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: This is not to donate to them, it is for recycling. Please read the link i posted.. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > The last I heard was that Goodwill doesn't take defective monitors, they > only want the stuff that they can resell. Corona Visions will take > defective monitors and they are certified by BAN (Basel Action Network) > www.ban.org for those wanting additional info. > > thanks > > > > You can also take your stuff to Good Will. They have a contract with Dell > > and they will take all your old stuff then Dell gets it from them. > > http://reconnectpartnership.com/ <----- details > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> That may be a California law, the problem is that the older equipment > >> has > >> to be broken down and disposed of in a manner that is friendly to the > >> environment, and that cost a lot in labor and to get the right people to > >> take the CRT glass, which lead is its primary component. I'll do some > >> more research to find out if that is just a law in California. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > >> >> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no longer > >> >> need > >> >> or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. > >> is > >> >> taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an > >> >> enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT > >> >> based > >> >> equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but > >> you > >> >> for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 for > >> 1 > >> >> deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT > >> based > >> >> equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at > >> >> www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just > >> >> across > >> >> IH35 from Splashtown. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old junk. > >> > But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge recycling > >> > fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the > >> > pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California > >> > state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. > >> > > >> > John C. > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SATLUG mailing list > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From michael at michaelrice.org Fri Jan 8 11:41:33 2010 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:41:36 2010 Subject: OT [Satlug] Recycle Today! In-Reply-To: References: <87fe26ab0ed285261c8fd2f97534bcbf.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <201001071514.36557.jdchoate@gmail.com> <03cdef43ee1c7f1994448b329ea88498.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: MonitorsIf the glass is broken, place the monitor in a cardboard box lined with a large plastic garbage bag. Seal the box and clearly label it with "broken monitor" and the date. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Michael Rice wrote: > This is not to donate to them, it is for recycling. Please read the link i > posted.. > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > >> The last I heard was that Goodwill doesn't take defective monitors, they >> only want the stuff that they can resell. Corona Visions will take >> defective monitors and they are certified by BAN (Basel Action Network) >> www.ban.org for those wanting additional info. >> >> thanks >> >> >> > You can also take your stuff to Good Will. They have a contract with >> Dell >> > and they will take all your old stuff then Dell gets it from them. >> > http://reconnectpartnership.com/ <----- details >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, wrote: >> > >> >> That may be a California law, the problem is that the older equipment >> >> has >> >> to be broken down and disposed of in a manner that is friendly to the >> >> environment, and that cost a lot in labor and to get the right people >> to >> >> take the CRT glass, which lead is its primary component. I'll do some >> >> more research to find out if that is just a law in California. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday 07 January 2010 09:05:24 dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> >> >> For all those out there with left over electronics that you no >> longer >> >> >> need >> >> >> or want, it is time to get them recycled today! Corona Visions Inc. >> >> is >> >> >> taking all electronics in at NO CHARGE and will dispose of it in an >> >> >> enviromentally friendly way. Corona Visions Inc. will take your CRT >> >> >> based >> >> >> equipment (Televisions and Monitors) for $0.45 cents per pound, but >> >> you >> >> >> for a limited time they will take your CRT based equipment at a 2 >> for >> >> 1 >> >> >> deal. For every 2 computers you bring in, you can bring in 1 CRT >> >> based >> >> >> equipment for recycling at no charge!!! Visit us today at >> >> >> www.coronavisions.com or come by at 1907 Shipman Drive, we are just >> >> >> across >> >> >> IH35 from Splashtown. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Hmmm... interesting. I might have to go there and get rid of old >> junk. >> >> > But I have a question. I thought it is now illegal to charge >> recycling >> >> > fees for CRT TVs and monitors, as those fees are now worked into the >> >> > pricing of new digital screens. Maybe I'm just referring a California >> >> > state law, but recycle fees for CRTs aught to be extinct. >> >> > >> >> > John C. >> >> > -- >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SATLUG mailing list >> >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SATLUG mailing list >> >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Jan 8 11:55:10 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Jan 8 11:55:20 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> Message-ID: <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> Don Davis wrote: > kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> Yes, yes and I'm not sure. Ok, you say, it's 90% if you change the >> menubar and show the desktop. What is the other 10%, in your view? (I >> think the menu and desktop are all I miss, but I'm not sure...) >> > Kaffeine is no longer the default video player. Dragon is. But that > can be easily remedied. Some of the applets from KDE3 aren't available > (and/or don't work) in KDE4. I miss the dictionary applet. > > Using a projector (and or a second screen) no longer automatically > appears as it's own instance with it's own desktop. If you want that > setup you may need to go through nvidia (or whatever ATI has) or xorg > directly. You can easily adjust the resolution and sizes. (I prefer > the 'this is a separate 800x600 desktop' to 'this desktop is the top > left 1/2 of the main desktop'. > > KDE4 also no longer tries to run/configure everything through > Konqueror (which I don't see as a bad thing). > > You still add things to the startup/ menu / and taskbar in pretty much > the same way. Why not just run KDE 3.5. haven't done it before but it seems to me that (if you are using Ubuntu) download the jeos (jest-enough-os) and install the items that you would want for your desktop. I would recommend using the 8.04 LTS version as I believe that repository still has kde3.5. If it doesn't then I am sure that it could be done relatively easily with puppy Linux (shout out for the class tonight). as for KDE4 in general...# reasons why I Hate KDE4 qualifier: most of my experience with kde4 is with Kubuntu 9.04-10 and gnome with Ubuntu 9.04-10. reason 1: While there are definite improvements in certain aspects of the aesthetics of KDE4 for the most I don't appreciate the aesthetics I think that the gnome compiz marriage is light-years ahead of plasma and kde4. Hell enlightenment (see the elive distro for a good show of this desktop) blows away kde 4 in this department. reason 2: Performance and stability...well mostly stability. This is a criticism that probably reflect upon Kubuntu as much as KDE4 but when i first loaded Kubuntu 9.04 my xserver crashed so much that I had to double check that I wasn't running Vista. reason 3: For me the jump from KDE3.5 to KDE4 was such a jarring experience that I felt I was learning a whole new operating system from the get go. I think that the KDE4 and Kubuntu team could learn something from M$ in one respect. when changing the total look and feel of your GUI (as with XP to Vista) don't change so much of it that your longtime users feel like noobs all over again. again just my opinion. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Jan 8 12:00:13 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:00:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> On second thought this should have its own thread sorry Todd > > qualifier: most of my experience with kde4 is with Kubuntu 9.04-10 and > gnome with Ubuntu 9.04-10. > > reason 1: While there are definite improvements in certain aspects of > the aesthetics of KDE4 for the most I don't appreciate the aesthetics > I think that the gnome compiz marriage is light-years ahead of plasma > and kde4. Hell enlightenment (see the elive distro for a good show of > this desktop) blows away kde 4 in this department. > reason 2: Performance and stability...well mostly stability. This is > a criticism that probably reflect upon Kubuntu as much as KDE4 but > when i first loaded Kubuntu 9.04 my xserver crashed so much that I had > to double check that I wasn't running Vista. > > reason 3: For me the jump from KDE3.5 to KDE4 was such a jarring > experience that I felt I was learning a whole new operating system > from the get go. I think that the KDE4 and Kubuntu team could learn > something from M$ in one respect. when changing the total look and > feel of your GUI (as with XP to Vista) don't change so much of it that > your longtime users feel like noobs all over again. > > again just my opinion. > Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 12:05:14 2010 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jan 8 12:05:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On second thought this should have its own thread sorry > > Todd >> >> ?qualifier: most of my experience with kde4 is with Kubuntu 9.04-10 and >> gnome with Ubuntu 9.04-10. >> >> reason 1: While there are definite improvements in certain aspects of the >> aesthetics of KDE4 for the most I don't appreciate the aesthetics ?I think >> that the gnome compiz marriage is light-years ahead of plasma and kde4. >> ?Hell enlightenment (see the elive distro for a good show of this desktop) >> blows away kde 4 in this department. >> reason 2: Performance and stability...well mostly stability. ?This is a >> criticism that probably reflect upon Kubuntu as much as KDE4 but when i >> first loaded Kubuntu 9.04 my xserver crashed so much that I had to double >> check that I wasn't running Vista. My 2 cents about performance. On older machines, the Desktop environment is just way too slow. I have it on a 1.8Ghz laptop with a gig of RAM, and Plasma is not snappy at all like KDE 3.5. Its even worse if you turn on certain effects like shading and transparency. >> reason 3: For me the jump from KDE3.5 to KDE4 was such a jarring >> experience that I felt I was learning a whole new operating system from the >> get go. ?I think that the KDE4 and Kubuntu team could learn something from >> M$ in one respect. ?when changing the total look and feel of your GUI (as >> with XP to Vista) don't change so much of it that your longtime users feel >> like noobs all over again. Yep, I too hate the new menu structure. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From dondavis at reglue.org Fri Jan 8 13:24:17 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (dondavis@reglue.org) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:24:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Yep, I too hate the new menu structure. > One of the first widgets to select fronm in 'Add widgets' is the old menu selector. I don't have much to say about desktop efefcts. I'll set up the 3-d spinning see through aquarium if I want to impress people but for me personally it doesn't do much for me. (I prefer green on black terminal screens...) From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Jan 8 13:28:56 2010 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:29:07 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B478778.1000805@futuretechsolutions.com> On 01/08/2010 12:05 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> On second thought this should have its own thread sorry >> >> Todd >>> >>> qualifier: most of my experience with kde4 is with Kubuntu 9.04-10 and >>> gnome with Ubuntu 9.04-10. >>> >>> reason 1: While there are definite improvements in certain aspects of the >>> aesthetics of KDE4 for the most I don't appreciate the aesthetics I think >>> that the gnome compiz marriage is light-years ahead of plasma and kde4. >>> Hell enlightenment (see the elive distro for a good show of this desktop) >>> blows away kde 4 in this department. >>> reason 2: Performance and stability...well mostly stability. This is a >>> criticism that probably reflect upon Kubuntu as much as KDE4 but when i >>> first loaded Kubuntu 9.04 my xserver crashed so much that I had to double >>> check that I wasn't running Vista. > > My 2 cents about performance. On older machines, the Desktop > environment is just way too slow. I have it on a 1.8Ghz laptop with a > gig of RAM, and Plasma is not snappy at all like KDE 3.5. Its even > worse if you turn on certain effects like shading and transparency. > >>> reason 3: For me the jump from KDE3.5 to KDE4 was such a jarring >>> experience that I felt I was learning a whole new operating system from the >>> get go. I think that the KDE4 and Kubuntu team could learn something from >>> M$ in one respect. when changing the total look and feel of your GUI (as >>> with XP to Vista) don't change so much of it that your longtime users feel >>> like noobs all over again. > > Yep, I too hate the new menu structure. > > I had been using KDE for years. There wasn't much I liked about KDE4. I switched to Gnome. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Jan 8 13:39:19 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Jan 8 13:39:20 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> <4B47717E.8080609@grandecom.net> <4B4772AD.7090005@grandecom.net> <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4789E7.3020709@grandecom.net> dondavis@reglue.org wrote: >> Yep, I too hate the new menu structure. >> >> > One of the first widgets to select fronm in 'Add widgets' is the old menu > selector. > > I don't have much to say about desktop efefcts. I'll set up the 3-d > spinning see through aquarium if I want to impress people but for me > personally it doesn't do much for me. (I prefer green on black terminal > screens...) > > > > Not all of the effects are useless...for instance the annotate plugin lets you write on the screen which is very helpful for presentations and podcasts. Furthermore i am sure that we have members that appreciate the zoom desktop, magnifier, and color filters. aside from those plugins yeah its mostly eyecandy, but isnt it the eyecandy of OSX that has made the Mac so popular in the last few years. Most people like the shinny sparkly things. I do and I kinda get a kick out of showing winblows users what they are missing. Todd From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jan 8 22:34:03 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:34:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' =?utf-8?q?9=2E10impressions=3F=2E=2E=2E=09andIntroduction?= In-Reply-To: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <201001082234.03442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 08 January 2010 12:15:45 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > OMG Tweeks, you're shameless...! And? I'm the president of a group that never has elections. What do you expect?! heh Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jan 8 22:35:23 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:35:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic =?iso-8859-1?q?Koala=27=099=2E10impressions=3F=2E=2E=2E=09andIntroduction?= In-Reply-To: <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B4728CE.9080209@reglue.org> Message-ID: <201001082235.23507.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 08 January 2010 06:45:02 am Don Davis wrote: [...] > Kaffeine is no longer the default video player. Dragon is. But that can > be easily remedied. Some of the applets from KDE3 aren't available > (and/or don't work) in KDE4. I miss the dictionary applet. How can one GET applet's like that separately? I miss that one too! Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jan 8 22:36:56 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:37:04 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: References: <322181.38863.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <201001072349.40503.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <201001082236.56856.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 08 January 2010 09:19:07 am Howard Haradon wrote: [...] > > Want to present on KDE4 at XCSSA? > > > > :) > > > > Tweeks > > Hey !! SATLUG wants in too. Maybe do the same on Feb. 10th? You mean Monday, Feb 15th.. ;) XCSSA hasn't flip-flopped a meeting night in over ten years. hehe Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jan 8 22:40:14 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:40:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001082240.14986.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 08 January 2010 01:24:17 pm dondavis@reglue.org wrote: > > Yep, I too hate the new menu structure. > > One of the first widgets to select fronm in 'Add widgets' is the old menu > selector. > > I don't have much to say about desktop efefcts. I'll set up the 3-d > spinning see through aquarium if I want to impress people but for me > personally it doesn't do much for me. (I prefer green on black terminal > screens...) Ding ding ding ding! Give that man a prize. :) Voila! http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/epoch-1234567890.png Love it. Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 22:43:54 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:43:57 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <201001082234.03442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001082234.03442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B48098A.4070700@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > On Friday 08 January 2010 12:15:45 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> OMG Tweeks, you're shameless...! > > And? > > I'm the president of a group that never has elections. What do you expect?! > heh If you don't have elections, how do you get someone else to do it? -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 22:47:53 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Jan 8 22:48:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: <4B48098A.4070700@gmail.com> References: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001082234.03442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B48098A.4070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: That would be a question for Hugo Chavez.... On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > >> On Friday 08 January 2010 12:15:45 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> OMG Tweeks, you're shameless...! >>> >> >> And? >> I'm the president of a group that never has elections. What do you >> expect?! heh >> > > If you don't have elections, how do you get someone else to do it? > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 9 01:09:40 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 9 01:09:40 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SpamAssassin false-positives Message-ID: <4B482BB4.8020504@rugmonster.org> Just a heads up. Due to a misguided regex in the FH_DATE_PAST_20XX SpamAssassin rule, you may notice an increase in false-positives if you use SpamAssassin for spam detection. You can see if you're effected by checking the X-Spam-Report headers in your mail for something looking like this: X-Spam-Report: * 3.4 FH_DATE_PAST_20XX The date is grossly in the future. I just caught it when I noticed several SATLUG messages in my Spam folder. To fix this, you can either run 'sa-update' or disable the rule altogether by adding the following to your local.cf: score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0.0 Details at http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/Rules/FH_DATE_PAST_20XX -- Daniel From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 9 01:17:16 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 9 01:17:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SpamAssassin false-positives In-Reply-To: <4B482BB4.8020504@rugmonster.org> References: <4B482BB4.8020504@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4B482D7C.1020200@rugmonster.org> On 1/9/2010 1:09 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > To fix this, you can either run 'sa-update' or disable the rule > altogether by adding the following to your local.cf: > > score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0.0 And if you're using spamd, make sure you restart the service after the sa-update or config change so the changes are picked up. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jan 9 04:50:41 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jan 9 04:50:44 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Messages with their own thread. Message-ID: <4B485F81.10409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > On second thought this should have its own thread sorry > > Todd If you're going to create a new thread, Todd, then create a new thread. Don't reply to a message in a thread, and then just change the subject. That doesn't create a new thread, it gives the current thread a different name. -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:15:23 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:15:24 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10impressions?... andIntroduction In-Reply-To: References: <1944173936-1262931356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1918111865-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001082234.03442.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B48098A.4070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Tweeks wrote: >> >>> On Friday 08 January 2010 12:15:45 am kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>>> OMG Tweeks, you're shameless...! >>>> >>> >>> And? >>> I'm the president of a group that never has elections. ?What do you >>> expect?! heh >>> >> >> If you don't have elections, how do you get someone else to do it? >> >> ?-- Bruce >> -- On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > That would be a question for Hugo Chavez.... > Highly Amusing ! Very good, EDL. Keep up the good work, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:28:35 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Jan 9 10:28:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? Message-ID: Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) to assume his duties, are there still reasons to continue flip-flopping our meeting day? I would prefer to see us settle on either Wed. or Thur. Please post your comments on this. On a related note, Bruce Dubbs has generously consented to do a Grub 2 presentation for our Feb. meeting. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sat Jan 9 11:30:29 2010 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sat Jan 9 11:30:41 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT? Accessibility issue (I think). In-Reply-To: <651464352-1219446934-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-446430260-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <48AF3197.1090606@gmail.com> <651464352-1219446934-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-446430260-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1263058229.5756.1.camel@Richard-PC> If he is running iis, then he does need to specify a default document, but that is not done in a web.conf file, it is done by right-clicking on the virtual server, click on properties, and in there is a documents tab, then you can specify a default document. Richard On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 23:15 +0000, Brian wrote: > I forgot to mention, he can also specify the default document in his web.config file. Google "web.config default document iis" for the exact code. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Crowder > > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:37:27 > To: SATLUG > Subject: [SATLUG] OT? Accessibility issue (I think). > > > A friend of mine has this website: > > http://www.childrensjoy.org.uk/home.cfm > > If I try to access the site without the home.cfm appended I get an error > message. > > > To simplify, when I attempt to visit the following URL, using Firefox on > my Debian Etch system... > > http://www.childrensjoy.org.uk/ > > ...I get the following error message: > > Directory Listing Denied > > This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. > > Can anyone tell me > > 1. Why I'm getting the error? > > 2. What they can do about it? > > 3. How many other potential site visitors are > likely to be affected by the problem? > > Thanks in advance, > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at net153.net Sat Jan 9 11:31:15 2010 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Jan 9 11:31:22 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B48BD63.3080105@net153.net> Howard Haradon wrote: > Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) > to assume his duties, are there still reasons to > continue flip-flopping our meeting day? I would > prefer to see us settle on either Wed. or Thur. > Please post your comments on this. > > On a related note, Bruce Dubbs has generously > consented to do a Grub 2 presentation for our > Feb. meeting. > > HH I like the alternating days. I have trouble making it on Wednesdays. Sam From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 9 13:31:56 2010 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:31:58 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? In-Reply-To: <4B48BD63.3080105@net153.net> References: <4B48BD63.3080105@net153.net> Message-ID: <6nlhk5db18ipkdo1ke39imtuon96tplatj@4ax.com> >Howard Haradon wrote: >> Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) >> to assume his duties, are there still reasons to >> continue flip-flopping our meeting day? Samuel Leon replied: >I like the alternating days. I have trouble making it on Wednesdays. The alternate meeting days were adopted several presidents back because various regulars had difficulty with either Wed. or Thurs. all the time. This made it possible for more people to make at least _some_ SATLUG meetings. It's been a while since we discussed whether this policy still makes sense -- might be good to take another look. --Don -- There are two rules in this business: 1. Don't tell all you know. From fhuddles at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:41:49 2010 From: fhuddles at gmail.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Sat Jan 9 13:41:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? Message-ID: <4B48DBFD.8040507@gmail.com> Greetings, Thanks to all who offered information about my "Home Cloud" question. I've looked over a few of those references, and found some very interesting information: Eucalyptus looks promising, although it seems to be just Ubuntu for now, the Beowulf clustering looks more special-purpose computational, and I found the FAWN (Fast Array of Wimpy Nodes) concept very interesting, although it looked as though it also was intended for a rather specific purpose: lots of small queries. It would take me a long time to give them each the consideration they require, so I thought I'd respond before the thread goes completely cold. Jeremy's question about what I'm trying to do is a good one: basically, I'm trying to figure out a flexible way to use a collection of computers, which I referred to as an "Elephant Graveyard". By this I mean that it would be nice to just throw an extra PC into the mix and be able to use it with a minimum of configuration. I assume that a number of you have this same situation of having accumulated a number of older computers: do you replicate the configuration information on each of them? Same user ids, passwords, directory shares, host tables: all that stuff that NIS (once called Yellow Pages) was designed to handle. I admit it's probaly easier to do the individual configuration, even in the home elephant graveyard. But it's not as interesting, or as elegant. So that's the basic what-I-want-to-do schenario. I've got a Mac G4/400 PowerMac running OSX 10.3, a Dell PII running NetBSD 5.0, a homebuilt PC running Ubuntu Studio, an IBM T20 ThinkPad running Debian, a Dell PIII Running Windows XP, and my main platform, a G4 PowerBook running OSX 10.4. I just got a donated PIV, on which I'm thinking of putting NetBSD with Xen, but who knows if or when I'll get to that. I use NFS for directory sharing: I haven't really done anything with the Windows box since I got it. Most of these computers are shut down or in various states of dormancy or hibernation when I'm not using them. So that's my immediate situation: the lower end of the practical part of my cloud question is a common configuration, perhaps what some of the directory services provide. But I wanted to make the question a little more open than that: I wanted to provoke some discussion of how computers might be yoked and used together in our home settings. I realize this risks subject distortion in the replies, and would happily launch new threads, but I need an overview to see where the discussion will go. So I'll leave it at that for now and pick up with another thread when I think it's appropriate. For now, can you folks tell me: How do you handle the configuration of your own collection of computers? Do you just make sure that you replicate the information? Do you use some kind of directory service, and if so, what? I'll leave the cloud-in-the-home (and sky) stuff for later... Thanks, Frank H. From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Jan 9 14:08:11 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Jan 9 14:08:16 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B48DBFD.8040507@gmail.com> References: <4B48DBFD.8040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B48E22B.70600@rugmonster.org> On 1/9/2010 1:41 PM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > How do you handle the configuration of your own collection of computers? > Do you just make sure that you replicate the information? Do you use > some kind of directory service, and if so, what? With most distros, you can do an automated, netboot installation. You can even customize the configs so that you get some specifics for your environment the first time the system boots. While I haven't used it in a while, Puppet is a great tool for handling system configs from a central location. http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/AboutPuppet So, imagine your custom Kickstart that loads each node with the Puppet client preconfigured to talk to a Puppet server. The Puppet server pushes down the appropriate configs. For centralized authentication, if you didn't want to use Puppet to maintain your passwd, group, and shadow files, you could use LDAP. It's generally considered to be the replacement for NIS. Again, not much that you can get here that Puppet couldn't push out for you, but it's another option. So if "the cloud" is about rapid provisioning, I would say this would be the best you could get in a home environment with physical nodes. I just woke up a little bit ago, so I'm still fuzzy and someone else surely has other ideas. (No kid this weekend, so I got to sleep really late!) From nathan at gvtc.com Sat Jan 9 17:37:54 2010 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sat Jan 9 17:37:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? Message-ID: <20100109153754.F3A56BE@resin18.mta.everyone.net> There are more people then Jim who can not make one or the other night. I believe we can best serve our members by continuing the alternate days. Nathan --- hharadon@gmail.com wrote: From: Howard Haradon To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:28:35 -0600 Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) to assume his duties, are there still reasons to continue flip-flopping our meeting day? I would prefer to see us settle on either Wed. or Thur. Please post your comments on this. On a related note, Bruce Dubbs has generously consented to do a Grub 2 presentation for our Feb. meeting. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 22:12:56 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Jan 9 22:12:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B48DBFD.8040507@gmail.com> References: <4B48DBFD.8040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > ?Thanks to all who offered information about my "Home Cloud" question. I've > looked over a few of those references, and found some very interesting > information: > Eucalyptus looks promising, although it seems to be just Ubuntu for now, the > Beowulf clustering looks more special-purpose computational, and I found the > FAWN (Fast Array of Wimpy Nodes) concept very interesting, > although it looked as though it also was intended for a rather specific > purpose: lots of small queries. It would take me a long time to give them > each the consideration they require, so I thought I'd respond before the > thread goes completely cold. > The best thing I ever saw for creating a "Home" cluster was openMosix. It is no longer available from a reliable source. A Home "cluster" is not a "cloud" nor is it a prerequisite for it. There are some functional similarities at the hardware level for access, Configuration Management and maintenance but they are changing rapidly every day. Jeremy reported putting one of these together several years ago on this mailing list. Really piqued my interest. Got way over my head technically very quickly and abandoned the project. Required lots of source code compiling and custom kernels. > ?Jeremy's question about what I'm trying to do is a good one: basically, I'm > trying to figure out a flexible way to use a collection of computers, which > I referred to as an "Elephant Graveyard". By this I mean that it would be > nice to just throw an extra PC into the mix and be able to use it with a > minimum of configuration. I assume that a number of you have this same > situation of having accumulated a number of older computers: do you > replicate the configuration information on each of them? Same user ids, > passwords, directory shares, host tables: all that stuff that NIS (once > called Yellow Pages) was designed to handle. I admit it's probaly easier to > do the individual configuration, even in the home elephant graveyard. But > it's not as interesting, or as elegant. > So that's the basic what-I-want-to-do schenario. I've got a Mac G4/400 > PowerMac running OSX 10.3, a Dell PII running NetBSD 5.0, a homebuilt PC > running Ubuntu Studio, > an IBM T20 ThinkPad running Debian, a Dell PIII Running Windows XP, and my > main platform, a G4 PowerBook running OSX 10.4. I just got a donated PIV, on > which I'm thinking of putting NetBSD with Xen, but who knows if or when I'll > get to that. I use NFS for directory sharing: I haven't really done anything > with the Windows box since I got it. Most of these computers are shut down > or in various states of dormancy or hibernation when I'm not using them. > So that's my immediate situation: the lower end of the practical part of my > cloud question is a common configuration, perhaps what some of the directory > services provide. > But I wanted to make the question a little more open than that: I wanted to > provoke some discussion of how computers might be yoked and used together in > our home settings. I realize this risks subject distortion in the replies, > and would happily launch new threads, but I need an overview to see where > the discussion will go. > So I'll leave it at that for now and pick up with another thread when I > think it's appropriate. For now, can you folks tell me: > You need to have a good idea what you want to accomplish. As a hobby or learning experience a "cloud" would be much more powerful than a cluster. > How do you handle the configuration of your own collection of computers? Do > you just make sure that you replicate the information? Do you use some kind > of directory service, and if so, what? > I'll leave the cloud-in-the-home (and sky) stuff for later... > I run a manual Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Configuration Management. Some things have been automated but I only have 4 machines and no real serious computing needs. Basically Web browsing and email. Most of what I do I can do with KDE Konquerer (or Windows Explorer) and ssh. I use rsync over ssh. Kind of boring for the technically inclined. Your first email got my attention because I believe it is possible to scale a "cloud" into the SOHO. Probably requires more technical skills than I possess. Thanks for bringing it up and Good Luck. I look forward to reading of your progress on the list. > Thanks, > > Frank H. > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jan 10 04:35:41 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jan 10 04:35:43 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B49AD7D.1080800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Howard Haradon wrote: > Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) > to assume his duties, are there still reasons to > continue flip-flopping our meeting day? I would > prefer to see us settle on either Wed. or Thur. > Please post your comments on this. > Just as a passing matter of curiosity, what problems do you have with Jim? That's a policy that went into effect 3 or 4 years back and it had nothing to do with the current or past presidents... it's -always- been about the Members and who can/can't make it on either a Wednesday or a Thursday. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jan 10 05:49:41 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jan 10 05:49:43 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette Message-ID: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> (Only because someone specifically asked) > I can see where the trimming part comes from... Something I find very cumbersome on a Blackberry when I chime in during the day...but what is the history of the bottom post? Old timers? Every email system I have EVER used auto-top-posts... > > Is that an old DARPA/ARPANET mailing list thing? > > BBS system etiquitte from the 80's/90's... > > ...and yes, I remember the old bottom-post/top-post flame war from last year... (or was it the year before that...?) that never did seem to get resolved... > > Someone other than Bruce? I know how he feels... > Inline replying is the predominant style that developed in the Usenet discussion lists, years before the existence of the WWW and the spread of e-mail and the Internet outside the academic community.^ Inline replying was also originally used in all e-mail (because such users had come from Usenet), but a lot of people don't use in-line posting because they were too lazy to learn the correct way, with most message people coming into the computing scene -after- the internet boom,and don't have a clue as to 'why' there are different styles. that's not to say that some of the software programs aren't saddled with some responsibility as they were 'lacking' in support for the "reply function" of that web-based mail readers, or they re-formatted the text... never a 'standard' was kept, after the internet boom. the earliest forms of electronic communication utilized in-line, or 'interleaved' communication. this was new! you could quote the original post and reply to that specific phrase or question with a specific answer. To the reasonable thinking and logical person, it simply made sense. Personally, I got behind a keyboard in October of 1983, and was banging out lines upon lines of code on a TI-99/4A. In 1985, there was a modem emulator program, in the summer of 1986, I got a PC, and then in early 1987 a 300-baud acoustic modem. In the Summer of 1987, I was up to the blazing speed of 1200 baud and in the fall of 1988 I started "The Electronic Avenue BBS" (a year before Montgomery Wards "Electric Avenue") Doug White remembers! ;-) It was somewhere in the mid-90's when I met Ed Coates (then in San Antonio and still in the Air Force) and a few years later when he introduced me to Linux. I already had experience with NOS (Network Operating System) utilized for running TCP/IP over packet radio (a facet of Amateur Radio) which was at least Unix based. (Lifted straight from a Wiki page) "...most forums, wiki discussion pages, and blogs (such as Slashdot ) essentially impose the bottom-post format, by displaying all recent messages in chronological order." A previous active SATLUG poster (who's name escapes me now) had a wonderful signature line, that addressed the issue succinctly; (summarized) Top posting is frowned upon because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. There was another thread, back in 2003, that claimed that "top posters" are the modern day graffiti writers, trying to be 'King of the Hill' by spraying/writing their post on top of the previous missive. Quote what's relavant to the conversation (keep 'em trimmed, and remove headers/footers) and intersperse your comments between what someone else has said/asked and mail would flow a lot smoother and look -much- cleaner in the archives! You asked ;-) -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jan 10 10:05:22 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jan 10 10:05:24 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B49FAC2.4080602@grandecom.net> Geoff wrote: > (Only because someone specifically asked) > > >> I can see where the trimming part comes from... Something I find very cumbersome on a Blackberry when I chime in during the day...but what is the history of the bottom post? Old timers? Every email system I have EVER used auto-top-posts... >> >> Is that an old DARPA/ARPANET mailing list thing? >> >> BBS system etiquitte from the 80's/90's... >> >> ...and yes, I remember the old bottom-post/top-post flame war from last year... (or was it the year before that...?) that never did seem to get resolved... >> >> Someone other than Bruce? I know how he feels... >> >> > > Inline replying is the predominant style that developed in the Usenet > discussion lists, years before the > existence of the WWW and the spread > of e-mail and the Internet > outside the academic community.^ > > > > Inline replying was also originally used in all e-mail (because such > users had come from Usenet), > but a lot of people don't use in-line posting because they were too lazy > to learn the correct way, with most message people coming into the > computing scene -after- the internet boom,and don't have a clue as to > 'why' there are different styles. > > that's not to say that some of the software programs aren't saddled with > some responsibility as they were 'lacking' in support for the "reply > function" of that web-based mail readers, or they re-formatted the > text... never a 'standard' was kept, after the internet boom. > > the earliest forms of electronic communication utilized in-line, or > 'interleaved' communication. this was new! you could quote the > original post and reply to that specific phrase or question with a > specific answer. To the reasonable thinking and logical person, it > simply made sense. > > Personally, I got behind a keyboard in October of 1983, and was banging > out lines upon lines of code on a TI-99/4A. In 1985, there was a modem > emulator program, in the summer of 1986, I got a PC, and then in early > 1987 a 300-baud acoustic modem. In the Summer of 1987, I was up to the > blazing speed of 1200 baud and in the fall of 1988 I started "The > Electronic Avenue BBS" (a year before Montgomery Wards "Electric Avenue") > > Doug White remembers! ;-) > > It was somewhere in the mid-90's when I met Ed Coates (then in San > Antonio and still in the Air Force) and a few years later when he > introduced me to Linux. I already had experience with NOS (Network > Operating System) utilized for running TCP/IP over packet radio (a facet > of Amateur Radio) which was at least Unix based. > > (Lifted straight from a Wiki page) > > "...most forums, wiki discussion pages, and blogs > (such as Slashdot > ) essentially impose the > bottom-post format, by displaying all recent messages in chronological > order." > > A previous active SATLUG poster (who's name escapes me now) had a > wonderful signature line, that addressed the issue succinctly; > > (summarized) > Top posting is frowned upon because it reverses the logical flow of > conversation. > > There was another thread, back in 2003, that claimed that "top posters" > are the modern day graffiti writers, trying to be 'King of the Hill' by > spraying/writing their post on top of the previous missive. > > Quote what's relavant to the conversation (keep 'em trimmed, and remove > headers/footers) and intersperse your comments between what someone else > has said/asked and mail would flow a lot smoother and look -much- > cleaner in the archives! > > You asked ;-) > > -Geoff > > > thanks for the history lesson. I myself am ambivalent about this issue. I try to instead follow the procedure done my the first respondent to a post and not get so worked up about the little things...like moving my mouse a little and using the scroll button. As a researcher though it is quite annoying when a particular thread has more then one form followed...say an inline followed by a bottom then a top. can we come to an agreement that the first respondent to a thread dictates top or bottom and that inline quotes are not used after say the second or third response? Todd From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 12:29:24 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jan 10 12:29:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > Inline replying was also originally used in all e-mail (because such > users had come from Usenet), > but a lot of people don't use in-line posting because they were too lazy > to learn the correct way, with most message people coming into the > computing scene -after- the internet boom,and don't have a clue as to > 'why' there are different styles. Most people who top post do it because the email clients, especially from Microsoft, are set up to do that by default. Top posting is not really inappropriate for an individual conversation and relatively short threads. In a group mailing list, somebody just reading the messages and perhaps starting in the middle of a long thread needs to develop more context. There bottom posting or in-line posting is much more appropriate. Remember, on the list, you are speaking to several hundred people at once. It also is polite to *trim* messages to only the portion of the message that you are replying to. -- Bruce From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jan 10 13:32:30 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jan 10 13:32:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4A2B4E.9080101@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > In a group mailing list, somebody just reading the messages and > perhaps starting in the middle of a long thread needs to develop more > context. There bottom posting or in-line posting is much more > appropriate. Agreed. In-line replies (such as I'm doing now) is my personal preference. It does 'flow' natural, like a conversation. > It also is polite to *trim* messages to only the portion of the > message that you are replying to. I thought I, too, had emphasized that point, but seems to appear to fall on deaf ears (blind eyes?) as another post in this thread quoted the whole entire message with a 1 or 2 line reply. Currently, am attempting to lead by example. -- -Geoff (Baja Spring, TX) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 15:39:26 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Jan 10 15:39:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? In-Reply-To: <20100109153754.F3A56BE@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <250749.53576.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I know I am just a lurker who hasn't attending a meeting yet, but... I agree with Nathan. I have kids, work, school, and Momma has the same. Alternating days are probably best for me to actually show up some day, as well... It's a doggone good idea, come to think of it! --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Nathan wrote: > From: Nathan > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 5:37 PM > There are more people then Jim who > can not make one or the other night.? I believe we can > best serve our members by continuing the alternate days. > > Nathan > > --- hharadon@gmail.com > wrote: > > From: Howard Haradon > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Subject: [SATLUG] Alternating Wed. and Thur. Meetings? > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:28:35 -0600 > > Now that Jim W. has found a sucker (er, volunteer) > to assume his duties, are there still reasons to > continue flip-flopping our meeting day?? I would > prefer to see us settle on either Wed. or Thur. > Please post your comments on this. > > On a related note, Bruce Dubbs has generously > consented to do a Grub 2 presentation for our > Feb. meeting. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX? USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo..satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jan 10 18:50:38 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jan 10 18:50:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains Message-ID: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> situation: I have a virtual server running with three nic cards. each nick card is bridged. One bridged nic is connected to the the DMZ router/switch, another one is connected to my private router, and a third is connected to a separate experimental network. the virtual server itself lies behind the private router and hosts a 2 webservers and a mail server inside of the DMZ and a LTSP sever on my experimental switch. finally each bridge nic can accomidate up to 10 hosts. question: given that the nics are bridged do the hosts connected to that bridged nic constitute a collision domain? Todd From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 20:04:19 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jan 10 20:04:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains In-Reply-To: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> References: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4B4A8723.8020106@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > situation: > > I have a virtual server running with three nic cards. each nick card is > bridged. One bridged nic is connected to the the DMZ router/switch, > another one is connected to my private router, and a third is connected > to a separate experimental network. the virtual server itself lies > behind the private router and hosts a 2 webservers and a mail server > inside of the DMZ and a LTSP sever on my experimental switch. finally > each bridge nic can accomidate up to 10 hosts. > > question: > > given that the nics are bridged do the hosts connected to that bridged > nic constitute a collision domain? I don't know about your setup, but if it were HW, a collision domain is where frames being sent out can collide. Bridges do a Carrier Sense with Multiple Acesss and Collision Detection CSMA/CD. Hubs do not and the collision detection has to be at the NIC. That is fairly old technology with Thick-net or Thin-net. 10*-BaseT is generally hooked up to a bridge or a router that inherently prevents collisions. A bridge receives a frame and can hold it until the destination is free. My conclusion is that what you have is probably free of collisions. -- Bruce From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jan 10 20:13:50 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jan 10 20:13:53 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains In-Reply-To: <4B4A8723.8020106@gmail.com> References: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> <4B4A8723.8020106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4A895E.6010605@grandecom.net> > > I don't know about your setup, but if it were HW, a collision domain > is where frames being sent out can collide. Bridges do a Carrier > Sense with Multiple Acesss and Collision Detection CSMA/CD. Hubs do > not and the collision detection has to be at the NIC. That is fairly > old technology with Thick-net or Thin-net. 10*-BaseT is generally > hooked up to a bridge or a router that inherently prevents collisions. > > A bridge receives a frame and can hold it until the destination is free. > > My conclusion is that what you have is probably free of collisions. > > -- Bruce If a bridge holds the data until the line is free wouldn't that make it CSMA/CA rather then CSMA/CD? Todd From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 20:27:12 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jan 10 20:27:15 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains In-Reply-To: <4B4A895E.6010605@grandecom.net> References: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> <4B4A8723.8020106@gmail.com> <4B4A895E.6010605@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4B4A8C80.2030002@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> >> I don't know about your setup, but if it were HW, a collision domain >> is where frames being sent out can collide. Bridges do a Carrier >> Sense with Multiple Acesss and Collision Detection CSMA/CD. Hubs do >> not and the collision detection has to be at the NIC. That is fairly >> old technology with Thick-net or Thin-net. 10*-BaseT is generally >> hooked up to a bridge or a router that inherently prevents collisions. >> >> A bridge receives a frame and can hold it until the destination is free. > If a bridge holds the data until the line is free wouldn't that make it > CSMA/CA rather then CSMA/CD? No. There is only 2 devices on the physical line -- the bridge and the nic. Both know what is going on and no collisions occur. You need a third device to cause a collision and there are none present. CSMA/CA lowers the probability of a collision by listening to a line for traffic and waiting a random amount of time to start transmitting, but doesn't prevent them completely. -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 20:28:08 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Jan 10 20:28:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa1001101825m2e79815embe7dc58639b63cf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> <1003aeaa1001101825m2e79815embe7dc58639b63cf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001101828u79e168beh5f09cb79d6650e5@mail.gmail.com> If the NICs are full duplex then each interface would be a collision domain. The only point of contention would be in the kernel. For example, if a packet arrives on nic1 and nic2 at the same time, the network stack has to make a decision on which packet gets sent out nic3 first. Its not a collision per say, but you will see performance degradation with high throughputs. -Henry On Jan 10, 2010 6:50 PM, "Todd W. Bucy" wrote: situation: I have a virtual server running with three nic cards. each nick card is bridged. One bridged nic is connected to the the DMZ router/switch, another one is connected to my private router, and a third is connected to a separate experimental network. the virtual server itself lies behind the private router and hosts a 2 webservers and a mail server inside of the DMZ and a LTSP sever on my experimental switch. finally each bridge nic can accomidate up to 10 hosts. question: given that the nics are bridged do the hosts connected to that bridged nic constitute a collision domain? Todd -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From j at jvpappas.net Sun Jan 10 21:00:24 2010 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Jan 10 21:00:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: House Cleaning... In-Reply-To: <4B3AD1B7.1010909@satx.rr.com> References: <4c0ec4450912291400l155fc6bei7d750d08c70eb59f@mail.gmail.com> <4B3AD1B7.1010909@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4451001101900u77270024nb34452f151327f54@mail.gmail.com> Hey Al, I am looking for a couple things and wondering if they got put in the "give away" by accident. First is an HP 32V power brick that has an LED on the barrel plug that lights when it is plugged in. It is the power supply for my HP Business Inkjet 1200 so I have the printer but not the power supply. I am also wondering if one of the video cards I gave away was PCI-e. Let me know... John On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:06, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I will be in SATX cleaning out the house Wed and Thursday this week, and >> have some remaining stuff (UPS, IBM N2200 ThinClients, >> Garden Equipment/Chemicals, and other misc household goods) that will have >> to go for very low to no cost (the house is also for sale for those that >> may >> be interested :). >> >> I do not have an inventory, but if you want to stop by, let me know off >> list >> and I will send my address to you and let you know times that I will be >> there. >> >> Thanks! >> John Pappas >> >> > I'd be interested in seeing what you have ... > > Al Lesmerises > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jan 10 22:08:40 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jan 10 22:08:48 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Network+ question collision domains In-Reply-To: <4B4A8C80.2030002@gmail.com> References: <4B4A75DE.5040909@grandecom.net> <4B4A8723.8020106@gmail.com> <4B4A895E.6010605@grandecom.net> <4B4A8C80.2030002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4AA448.5090904@grandecom.net> so if i have Bruce and Henry right then, technically it is not a collision domain. Having this sort of setup can increase overhead and slow down the network as a whole. Thanks for the help and wish me luck tomorrow as i take my Network+ exam Todd From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 10 23:21:47 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Jan 10 23:21:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 10 January 2010 12:29:24 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: [...] > It also is polite to *trim* messages to only the portion of the message > that you are replying to. ding ding ding ding! I think that part is key folks.. I usually don't mixed up in SATLUG's monthly "top/middle/bottom posting debates".. but whatever man.. top/bottom post are BOTH equally annoying if you don't TRIM you're freaking content! As another mailmail admin, I'll also tell you that SOME posts get filtered if they're too big (are treated as Spam) by many stock mailmail based lists. So.. blah! Tweeks > > -- Bruce From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 00:42:28 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jan 11 00:42:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > On Sunday 10 January 2010 12:29:24 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > [...] >> It also is polite to *trim* messages to only the portion of the message >> that you are replying to. > > ding ding ding ding! > > I think that part is key folks.. I usually don't mixed up in SATLUG's > monthly "top/middle/bottom posting debates".. but whatever man.. top/bottom > post are BOTH equally annoying if you don't TRIM you're freaking content! > > As another mailmail admin, I'll also tell you that SOME posts get filtered if > they're too big (are treated as Spam) by many stock mailmail based lists. Good idea! We already delete most attachments. I just lowered the size limit to 7K. That should bounce most of the longer messages. -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 08:43:48 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Jan 11 08:43:52 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4A2B4E.9080101@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B4A1C84.5090903@gmail.com> <4B4A2B4E.9080101@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001110643k1ce2de23ybe67d59fa4df2692@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Geoff wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >> ? In a group mailing list, somebody just reading the messages and >> perhaps starting in the middle of a long thread needs to develop more >> context. ?There bottom posting or in-line posting is much more >> appropriate. > > Agreed. ?In-line replies (such as I'm doing now) is my personal > preference. ?It does 'flow' natural, like a conversation. This is a huge failing of some mobile e-mail apps. When I hit "reply" from my Droid, the existing message gets thrown into the "quoted text" field and is not editable, with the compose field above it. There is no setting to change this behavior either. GMail for the Blackberry is even worse: it only includes 2 lines of context regardless, which is typically "On blah blah date, so-and-so wrote: \n \n Sent from Gmail mobile!" -Henry From lgj at usenix.org Tue Jan 12 16:51:10 2010 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Tue Jan 12 16:51:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] HotPar '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <34E32267-A239-4F6A-8746-999AD202942C@usenix.org> We're writing to remind you that the submissions deadline for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) is quickly approaching. Please submit you work by Sunday, January 24, 2010. http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb HotPar '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions in all fields, including application design, languages and compilers, systems, and architecture. We request submissions of 5-page position papers that propose new directions for research of products in these areas, advocate non-traditional approaches to the problems engendered by parallelism, or potentially generate controversy and discussion. More information and submission guidelines are available at http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb We look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, Geoff Lowney, Intel David Patterson, University of California, Berkeley HotPar '10 Program Co-Chairs hotpar10chairs@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers: 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) June 14-15, 2010 Berkeley, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb Sponsored by USENIX in cooperation with ACM SIGMETRICS, ACM SIGSOFT, ACM SIGOPS, ACM SIGARCH, and ACM SIGPLAN Position paper submissions due: January 24, 2010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From lgj at usenix.org Tue Jan 12 17:01:31 2010 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Tue Jan 12 17:01:34 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] HotPar '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: We're writing to remind you that the submissions deadline for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) is quickly approaching. Please submit you work by Sunday, January 24, 2010. http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb HotPar '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions in all fields, including application design, languages and compilers, systems, and architecture. We request submissions of 5-page position papers that propose new directions for research of products in these areas, advocate non-traditional approaches to the problems engendered by parallelism, or potentially generate controversy and discussion. More information and submission guidelines are available at http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb We look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, Geoff Lowney, Intel David Patterson, University of California, Berkeley HotPar '10 Program Co-Chairs hotpar10chairs@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers: 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) June 14-15, 2010 Berkeley, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpb Sponsored by USENIX in cooperation with ACM SIGMETRICS, ACM SIGSOFT, ACM SIGOPS, ACM SIGARCH, and ACM SIGPLAN Position paper submissions due: January 24, 2010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From lgj at usenix.org Tue Jan 12 18:00:50 2010 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Tue Jan 12 18:00:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] NSDI '10 Registration Now Open Message-ID: <63555C31-61E4-49F0-8681-19744C6CD2DC@usenix.org> We are writing to invite you to NSDI '10, the 7th USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation, which will take place April 28-30, 2010, in San Jose, CA. http://www.usenix.org/nsdi10/proga NSDI '10 focuses on the design and implementation of large-scale networks and distributed systems. Our goal is to bring together researchers from across the systems and networking communities to foster cross-disciplinary approaches and to address shared research challenges. This year's program includes 29 technical papers carefully selected out of 175 submissions. The high-quality papers represent a diverse range of research areas including cloud services, Web browsers and servers, datacenter and wireless networks, malware, and more. In addition, NSDI '10 will feature a poster session where attendees can discuss emerging ideas in networked systems design. We encourage you to submit posters describing ongoing work. The deadline for poster submissions is March 8, 2010. http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi10/activities.html#poster Please join us in San Jose for the latest innovative networked systems research. We look forward to seeing you there. Sincerely, Miguel Castro, Microsoft Research Cambridge Alex C. Snoeren, University of California, San Diego nsdi10chairs@usenix.org P.S. Don't miss these workshops, which will be co-located with NSDI '10 and will take place on Tuesday, April 27, 2010: - 3rd USENIX Workshop on Large-Scale Exploits and Emergent Threats (LEET '10) http://www.usenix.org/events/leet10/ - 2010 Internet Network Management Workshop/Workshop on Research on Enterprise Networking (INM/WREN '10) http://www.usenix.org/events/inmwren10/ - 9th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems (IPTPS '10) http://www.usenix.org/events/iptps10/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation (NSDI '10) April 28-30, 2010 San Jose, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/nsdi10/proga Sponsored by USENIX in cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM and ACM SIGOPS Poster Submissions Deadline: March 1, 2010 Early Bird Registration Deadline: April 5, 2010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Jan 12 21:53:33 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Tue Jan 12 21:53:52 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 11 January 2010 12:42:28 am Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > On Sunday 10 January 2010 12:29:24 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: [...] > > As another mailmail admin, I'll also tell you that SOME posts get > > filtered if they're too big (are treated as Spam) by many stock mailmail > > based lists. > > Good idea! We already delete most attachments. I just lowered the size > limit to 7K. That should bounce most of the longer messages. Hmm.. 7k is a bit restrictive man. I mean headers alone can easily be 3k-4k (your reply just now had a 3.7k header). Regular email is about 2k per page. So figure a hard core in depth in-line reply might work out to 5-6 pages.. that's like 18k. Traditionally... I find 40k a good default size.. More tends to either be spam or HTML email (both are evil). If you want to get tight, 18-20k might be ok. Just tell people to let you know if their stuff isn't getting through. More strict than that and you'll be labled an email-nazi. ;) Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 22:50:25 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jan 12 22:50:29 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 11 January 2010 12:42:28 am Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Tweeks wrote: >>> On Sunday 10 January 2010 12:29:24 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > [...] >>> As another mailmail admin, I'll also tell you that SOME posts get >>> filtered if they're too big (are treated as Spam) by many stock mailmail >>> based lists. >> Good idea! We already delete most attachments. I just lowered the size >> limit to 7K. That should bounce most of the longer messages. > > Hmm.. 7k is a bit restrictive man. I mean headers alone can easily be 3k-4k > (your reply just now had a 3.7k header). Regular email is about 2k per page. > So figure a hard core in depth in-line reply might work out to 5-6 pages.. > that's like 18k. Well I just looked at your message and it was 2862 bytes including headers. When I chose 7K, I looked at my messages and anything over about 5K was substantially unedited replies. > Traditionally... I find 40k a good default size.. More tends to either be spam > or HTML email (both are evil). If you want to get tight, 18-20k might be ok. > Just tell people to let you know if their stuff isn't getting through. Mailman should respond with a message that the file should be trimmed. I didn't check though. I'll go ahead and go to 12K. That should be plenty. Mailman strips html and attachments. Its a balancing act. Different people have different attitudes. Some people don't care what they send to 468 subscribers. > More strict than that and you'll be labled an email-nazi. ;) Too late :) -- Bruce From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jan 13 02:00:12 2010 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Jan 13 06:47:35 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <595D53FB-8768-4CB1-8BBD-F4E55E4C94EB@shub-internet.org> On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Mailman should respond with a message that the file should be trimmed. I didn't check though. I'll go ahead and go to 12K. That should be plenty. Mailman strips html and attachments. Problem is, I believe that the size limitations are applied before any conversion of HTML or stripping of attachments. That makes things significantly more complex for the Mailman administrator. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jan 13 06:50:30 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jan 13 06:50:31 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4B4DC196.6030805@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 11 January 2010 12:42:28 am Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Good idea! We already delete most attachments. I just lowered the size >> limit to 7K. That should bounce most of the longer messages. >> > > Hmm.. 7k is a bit restrictive man. I mean headers alone can easily be 3k-4k > (your reply just now had a 3.7k header). Wasn't something said about 'trimming'? If people won't do it on their own, then limiting their message size, and truncating off the end/excess will force them to learn. > > Just tell people to let you know if their stuff isn't getting through. More > strict than that and you'll be labled an email-nazi. ;) When they don't see their message, they'll know they didn't get through (and then probably start whining "What's wrong with MailMan at Satlug?" I said this in 1989 and I can't beleive in 2010, I'm still saying the same thing; "People, at -LEAST- have the common sense to pay attention to something as it passes right before your eyes!" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tsuehpsyde at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 10:48:00 2010 From: tsuehpsyde at gmail.com (tsuehpsyde) Date: Wed Jan 13 10:48:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] 3 reasons why I hate KDE4 In-Reply-To: <201001082240.14986.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <499488059-1262908144-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-39319125-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <79ec289f1001081005k40f16b80uc344a7964b429c19@mail.gmail.com> <201001082240.14986.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Tweeks wrote: > > > Ding ding ding ding! > Give that man a prize. :) > > Voila! > http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/epoch-1234567890.png > > Love it. > > Tweeks You got a screenshot of that? Nice. I totally missed getting a picture of it. I'd respond about something with KDE, but I've never much liked it, so I'll just stay out of it. =) From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 22:33:42 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:07:26 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Thursday Message-ID: Hello Satlugers, I read this day after tomorrow is a demonstration about Cloud computing by Ben Temple. I talked to someone about this, and he said it's just a new name for something that's been around for years. If I understand right, it's like striping files across multiple servers. What are the benefits of using cloud computing? I plan on going. I usually learn something new and interesting each time I do. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 11:26:14 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Jan 13 11:26:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I gave a presentation on cloud computing a few months ago, and while it builds on many things in the past (going back to the 60s and 70s), there are some crucial differences with respect to automation and orchestration within the platform (and I use that term loosely). The more common problem in the current IT industry is correctly wrapping their minds around the concept and giving it a proper definition. Vendors have not helped in this area because the broader the definition, the more easily their respective products fit into the 'cloud computing' mantra. I call it 'cloud washing'. The closest thing to true cloud computing is probably grid computing, but that falls short in that it functions in batch jobs that have a specified beginning and end. There may be some automation involved, but not much in the way of orchestration. Cloud computing extends the grid computing model significantly and gives some serious benefits to the end user. Again, the end user has to be defined as well. Are you a cloud provider (who is end-using the platform to resell)? Are you a large business (who is end-using the platform to develop internal applications)? or Are you a SME purchasing SaaS externally? Because there are several spots from which you can provide and consume the platform, the definition gets pretty nebulous. I like to tell people "It is probably easier to describe what cloud computing is NOT, than what it is." With that in mind, cloud computing is NOT virtualization (although it leverages virtualization internally.) Cloud computing is NOT hardware (although it leverages hardware internally.) Those two are pretty much agreed upon. The next one, however, is pretty contentious. Cloud computing is NOT Infrastructure as a Service (Iaas) (although it leverages IaaS internally.) Cloud computing (depending on whether you are the provider or consumer) begins at the Platform as a Service (Paas) layer and extends up into the Software as a Service (SaaS) layer. Again, the definition will vary heavily on where you sit in the pyramid. The key thing to remember is just because you may use remote resources (whether it be infrastructure, platform or software), that does not necessarily make it 'cloud computing.' We then slide into the whole other mud pool that is public vs private vs hybrid clouds, and we start to talk about federation. Whew! As you can see this thing gets pretty hairy at some point. Either way, I'm interested to hear Ben's take on the whole platform. I'll be at the meeting tomorrow, hopefully with one of my newbies in tow. See you all tomorrow! On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Satlugers, I read this day after tomorrow is a demonstration about > Cloud computing by Ben Temple. I talked to someone about this, and he said > it's just a new name for something that's been around for years. If I > understand right, it's like striping files across multiple servers. What > are > the benefits of using cloud computing? I plan on going. I usually learn > something new and interesting each time I do. > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 13 12:02:24 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:02:26 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] troubles with debian and some flash sites Message-ID: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> One of my machines is currently running Debian Lenny 64 bit with the latest flash from adobe. On some sites, such as Hulu.com, Flash movies will not play. That is to say the flash works just fine until I hit play. at which time it tries to connect and then says "sorry, we are unable to stream this video. Please check your Internet connection and try again." I am relatively certain that nothing is wrong with my ISP connection cuz Hulu runs just fine on my ubuntu boxes. Furthermore Youtube on the Debian machine works just fine as well. finally I have tried this with Firefox, Chrome, and Epiphany all with the same results. anyone experiencing the same problems with Lenny? or have any ideas how I might further troubleshoot this prob? Thanks in advance Todd From the.dead.dude at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:04:08 2010 From: the.dead.dude at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:04:29 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487672101001131004o26f7379bt3174b551939691df@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering where to park for the meeting. Is there a little visitors parking section? I guess it's at that SAC place and they probably have classes going on now right? Thanks, Justin From rghetzel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 12:10:34 2010 From: rghetzel at sbcglobal.net (Dick H) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:10:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] troubles with debian and some flash sites In-Reply-To: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4B4E0C9A.8010807@sbcglobal.net> I've recently started watching the Babylon 5 series... approximately 1 out of 10 says that they are unable to stream. So far, I've been able to see them all after closing the browser a couple of times. Some are crankier than others. redpill wrote: > One of my machines is currently running Debian Lenny 64 bit with the > latest flash from adobe. On some sites, such as Hulu.com, Flash movies > will not play. That is to say the flash works just fine until I hit > play. at which time it tries to connect and then says "sorry, we are > unable to stream this video. Please check your Internet connection and > try again." I am relatively certain that nothing is wrong with my ISP > connection cuz Hulu runs just fine on my ubuntu boxes. Furthermore > Youtube on the Debian machine works just fine as well. finally I have > tried this with Firefox, Chrome, and Epiphany all with the same results. > > anyone experiencing the same problems with Lenny? or have any ideas how > I might further troubleshoot this prob? > > Thanks in advance > Todd > > > From richard.maynard at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:20:21 2010 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:20:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55441001131020j22c7a87g34ff33f94962d77a@mail.gmail.com> > Mailman should respond with a message that the file should be trimmed. I didn't check though. ?I'll go ahead and go to 12K. ?That should be plenty. ?Mailman strips html and attachments. Great, now I have to change my signature! -- Richard From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 13 12:21:10 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:21:12 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] troubles with debian and some flash sites In-Reply-To: <4B4E0C9A.8010807@sbcglobal.net> References: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> <4B4E0C9A.8010807@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1263406870.3318.14.camel@redpill-laptop> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 12:10 -0600, Dick H wrote: > I've recently started watching the Babylon 5 series... approximately 1 > out of 10 says that they are unable to stream. So far, I've been able > to see them all after closing the browser a couple of times. Some are > crankier than others. I have noticed the same thing on all of my machines. that however is a browser cache problem. this one is different in that the error says that the problem is my Internet connection. furthermore simply restarting the browser has no effect upon the error. I am using a modded version of Debian so there might be a problem somewhere in there but I am baffled that youtube flash plays with no problem but hulu flash only partially works. Todd p.s. check out the trim y'all. lol From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 13 12:23:03 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 13 12:23:05 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: <487672101001131004o26f7379bt3174b551939691df@mail.gmail.com> References: <487672101001131004o26f7379bt3174b551939691df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1263406983.3318.15.camel@redpill-laptop> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 12:04 -0600, Justin wrote: > I was wondering where to park for the meeting. Is there a little visitors > parking section? I guess it's at that SAC place and they probably have > classes going on now right? > > Thanks, > Justin you can park in the lot next to the Nail Tech building after 5pm. Todd From the.dead.dude at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 13:22:17 2010 From: the.dead.dude at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Wed Jan 13 13:22:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: <1263406983.3318.15.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <487672101001131004o26f7379bt3174b551939691df@mail.gmail.com> <1263406983.3318.15.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <487672101001131122x7fbc868cgce0f26861a5c259f@mail.gmail.com> Alright, thanks. From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 13 16:06:34 2010 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Wed Jan 13 16:06:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Power Supply Request Message-ID: <351176.35701.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I'm out begging again for spare parts on behalf of refugee families.? You.ve been great about meeting needs in the past and the families are very grateful.? The used computer equipment you've donated?has helped them learn English faster, stay in touch with family and friends back in "the old country," and do their schoolwork better.? All of those tasks have really helped to integrate them faster into our society. We currently have seven families on the "Need PC" list, but I'm? down to one box, a Dell Dimension 4600C.? Just when we got it working well, the power supply failed.? If anyone has a spare slimline power supply they would be?willing to?donate, we can cut the waiting list to six.? That PS also fits a Dell Optiplex GX260, 270, or 280, according to the information I have.? While I'm at it, I might as well finish the wish list (for now).? I could use one more monitor cable.? (The floks who donate don't always remember the connecting cables.) Thanks in advance for looking. Art Hall From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 13 16:14:31 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 13 16:14:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Power Supply Request In-Reply-To: <351176.35701.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <351176.35701.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1263420871.3318.17.camel@redpill-laptop> you need a dvi or a vga. I have both. Also I ran across an old mobo and cpu, if you want it. Todd On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 14:06 -0800, Arthur Hall wrote: > > Yes, I'm out begging again for spare parts on behalf of refugee families. You.ve been great about meeting needs in the past and the families are very grateful. The used computer equipment you've donated has helped them learn English faster, stay in touch with family and friends back in "the old country," and do their schoolwork better. All of those tasks have really helped to integrate them faster into our society. > We currently have seven families on the "Need PC" list, but I'm down to one box, a Dell Dimension 4600C. Just when we got it working well, the power supply failed. If anyone has a spare slimline power supply they would be willing to donate, we can cut the waiting list to six. That PS also fits a Dell Optiplex GX260, 270, or 280, according to the information I have. While I'm at it, I might as well finish the wish list (for now). I could use one more monitor cable. (The floks who donate don't always remember the connecting cables.) > Thanks in advance for looking. > Art Hall From dennis at myediscounts.com Wed Jan 13 16:17:33 2010 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Wed Jan 13 16:17:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Power Supply Request In-Reply-To: <351176.35701.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <351176.35701.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We might have that in the back of our warehouse, I'll check and let you know. thanks Dennis > > > Yes, I'm out begging again for spare parts on behalf of refugee families.? > You.ve been great about meeting needs in the past and the families are > very grateful.? The used computer equipment you've donated?has helped them > learn English faster, stay in touch with family and friends back in "the > old country," and do their schoolwork better.? All of those tasks have > really helped to integrate them faster into our society. > We currently have seven families on the "Need PC" list, but I'm? down to > one box, a Dell Dimension 4600C.? Just when we got it working well, the > power supply failed.? If anyone has a spare slimline power supply they > would be?willing to?donate, we can cut the waiting list to six.? That PS > also fits a Dell Optiplex GX260, 270, or 280, according to the information > I have.? While I'm at it, I might as well finish the wish list (for now).? > I could use one more monitor cable.? (The floks who donate don't always > remember the connecting cables.) > Thanks in advance for looking. > Art Hall > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dondavis at reglue.org Wed Jan 13 17:28:36 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Wed Jan 13 17:28:44 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] troubles with debian and some flash sites In-Reply-To: <1263406870.3318.14.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> <4B4E0C9A.8010807@sbcglobal.net> <1263406870.3318.14.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4B4E5724.8050602@reglue.org> > I have noticed the same thing on all of my machines. that however is a > browser cache problem. this one is different in that the error says > that the problem is my Internet connection. furthermore simply > restarting the browser has no effect upon the error. I am using a > modded version of Debian so there might be a problem somewhere in there > but I am baffled that youtube flash plays with no problem but hulu flash > only partially works. > Can you flashgot the file? From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 13 21:17:23 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 13 21:17:36 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] troubles with debian and some flash sites In-Reply-To: <4B4E5724.8050602@reglue.org> References: <1263405744.3318.9.camel@redpill-laptop> <4B4E0C9A.8010807@sbcglobal.net> <1263406870.3318.14.camel@redpill-laptop> <4B4E5724.8050602@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1263439043.3318.21.camel@redpill-laptop> On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:28 -0600, Don Davis wrote: > > I have noticed the same thing on all of my machines. that however is a > > browser cache problem. this one is different in that the error says > > that the problem is my Internet connection. furthermore simply > > restarting the browser has no effect upon the error. I am using a > > modded version of Debian so there might be a problem somewhere in there > > but I am baffled that youtube flash plays with no problem but hulu flash > > only partially works. > > > Can you flashgot the file? haven't tried that. Ill give it a shot tomorrow thanks Todd From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 14 21:18:11 2010 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jan 14 21:18:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Rain in SA, partly cloudy in DFW data center Message-ID: <24mvk51nsk2pcmipblibecjdijppp5b9vr@4ax.com> SATLUG thanks Benjamin Temple for tonight's brief overview and demo of one segment of Cloud Computing. The Rackspace Cloud worked great, provisioning a new Debian server in minutes, up until he tried to actually use the new virtual machine. Billing said it was active. Ping and SSH said it was an ex-parrot. The 20 minute estimated wait for live chat support (and the total silence that followed our first question after support's greeting appeared) said we weren't the only ones banging our birds on the counter. So far Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) has a lot in common with The Cheese Shop Sketch, too. Better luck next B'ak'tun. --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Thu Jan 14 21:43:27 2010 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Thu Jan 14 21:43:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Rain in SA, partly cloudy in DFW data center In-Reply-To: <24mvk51nsk2pcmipblibecjdijppp5b9vr@4ax.com> References: <24mvk51nsk2pcmipblibecjdijppp5b9vr@4ax.com> Message-ID: I opened a ticket support on this, and am waiting to see if I can get a SLA credit out of this. Anyway, I may be able to present the live-demo part at a future meeting. (do not know when, though) Thabnks for being so forgiving at this random act of Murphy's Law. Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. > From: satlug@sbcglobal.net > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:18:11 -0600 > Subject: [SATLUG] Rain in SA, partly cloudy in DFW data center > > SATLUG thanks Benjamin Temple for tonight's brief overview and demo of > one segment of Cloud Computing. The Rackspace Cloud worked great, > provisioning a new Debian server in minutes, up until he tried to > actually use the new virtual machine. > > > > Billing said it was active. Ping and SSH said it was an ex-parrot. The > 20 minute estimated wait for live chat support (and the total silence > that followed our first question after support's greeting appeared) said > we weren't the only ones banging our birds on the counter. > > So far Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) has a lot in common with The > Cheese Shop Sketch, too. Better luck next B'ak'tun. --Don > > -- > Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of > getting drunk. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 23:19:20 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jan 14 23:19:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Anyone live in Schertz near Thulemeyer or Pickrell Park? Message-ID: I have a question to ask about the area. Thanks! From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Jan 15 07:22:41 2010 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Jan 15 07:22:42 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20100115052241.1E8B52AD@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Reminder that we have our booth at the Computer Show on January 23rd. We do not have any thing special we want to show off. If you are having a problem with an install contact us on this mail list first and we will see what we can do to help. Remember the show 'donates' out table, so please support the vendors at the show. Most will give you a small discount if you have on your SATLUG shirt or badge. Nathan From satlug at net153.net Fri Jan 15 09:38:04 2010 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Jan 15 09:38:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Anyone live in Schertz near Thulemeyer or Pickrell Park? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B508BDC.40002@net153.net> Ernest De Leon wrote: > I have a question to ask about the area. > > Thanks! I live in Marion right down hwy 78. I drive by those parks sometimes when I take the back way to I35 Sam From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Fri Jan 15 14:59:15 2010 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Fri Jan 15 15:01:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20100115052241.1E8B52AD@resin17.mta.everyone.net> References: <20100115052241.1E8B52AD@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: I will redo my cloud computing presentation at this venue for the community, and at a future meeting for SATLUG. Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:22:41 -0800 > From: nathan@gvtc.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show > > Reminder that we have our booth at the Computer Show on January 23rd. We do not have any thing special we want to show off. > > If you are having a problem with an install contact us on this mail list first and we will see what we can do to help. > > Remember the show 'donates' out table, so please support the vendors at the show. Most will give you a small discount if you have on your SATLUG shirt or badge. > > Nathan > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 17:04:43 2010 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jan 15 17:04:48 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] errors when building a qt program on my laptop Message-ID: <201001151704.43533.jdchoate@gmail.com> I have the same OS, Mandriva 2010.1(cooker), installed on both my desktop machine and my laptop. I also have basically the same packages installed on both and all updated. Let me first state that, yes, I do have libqt4-devel installed.!.! QT sources build properly on my desktop machine with no issues whatsoever. But on my laptop I get an error related to /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qlist.h Here is some output from my attempt to build 'blogilo', formerly known as 'bilbo blogger' : [ 0%] Built target blogilo_automoc Scanning dependencies of target htmlconvertors_automoc [ 0%] Built target htmlconvertors_automoc Scanning dependencies of target htmlconvertors [ 2%] Building CXX object src/htmlconvertors/CMakeFiles/htmlconvertors.dir/htmlconvertors_automoc.o [ 4%] Building CXX object src/htmlconvertors/CMakeFiles/htmlconvertors.dir/bilbocssparser.o In file included from /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qobject.h:50, from /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qiodevice.h:46, from /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qdatastream.h:46, from /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qstringlist.h:46, from /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/QStringList:1, from /home/pranqster/Desktop/blogilo/src/htmlconvertors/bilbocssparser.h:32, from /home/pranqster/Desktop/blogilo/src/htmlconvertors/bilbocssparser.cpp:29: /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qlist.h:54:15: error: new: No such file or directory This happens to any QT program I try to compile on the laptop, not just 'blogilo'. Of course the errors go on from there, but that is the one that triggers the build fail. Again, both machines have QT 4.6.0 installed along with the devel packages, only my laptop throws this error about not finding 'new'. I have looked at /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qlist.h, line 54, on both machines and the file is identical. There must be some other factor involved, but make is finding the qt4-devel files right where they are supposed to be. What could be the problem? John C. p.s. In case someone wants to branch this post into a 'Blogilo vs. Bilbo' post, I already know that blogilo 1.0.1 has some post publishing issues while bilbo 1.0 posts just fine. ;) From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jan 15 17:06:38 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jan 15 17:06:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: References: <20100115052241.1E8B52AD@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4B50F4FE.9000701@lookcee.com> Benjamin Temple wrote: > I will redo my cloud computing presentation at this venue for the community, and at a future meeting for SATLUG. > > Regards, > Benjamin Temple > TE > Sounds so cool, wish I could attend just for the learning experience. Will it be captured and archived for viewing for those who cannot make either venue? Sorry ya had the trouble at the last attempt, ya had a very understanding group and didn't draw many razzs tho so I Xing many finger fo u, lol. hh From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 17:56:38 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jan 15 17:56:40 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] errors when building a qt program on my laptop In-Reply-To: <201001151704.43533.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <201001151704.43533.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5100B6.5090401@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > I have the same OS, Mandriva 2010.1(cooker), installed on both my > desktop machine and my laptop. I also have basically the same > packages installed on both and all updated. Let me first state that, > yes, I do have libqt4-devel installed.!.! QT sources build properly > on my desktop machine with no issues whatsoever. But on my laptop I > get an error related to /usr/lib/qt4/include/QtCore/qlist.h > There must be some other factor involved, but make is finding the > qt4-devel files right where they are supposed to be. What could be > the problem? Do you have qt3 also installed on your laptop? qmake -v For me: QMake version 2.01a Using Qt version 4.5.2 in /opt/qt-4.5.2/lib I have both and using qt3's version of qmake causes this type of problem with qt4 source. I haven't played with cmake, so I can't help there. -- Bruce From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 01:47:15 2010 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Jan 16 01:47:21 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] errors when building a qt program on my laptop In-Reply-To: <4B5100B6.5090401@gmail.com> References: <201001151704.43533.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4B5100B6.5090401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001160147.15666.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 15 January 2010 05:56:38 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Do you have qt3 also installed on your laptop? > > qmake -v > > For me: > > QMake version 2.01a > Using Qt version 4.5.2 in /opt/qt-4.5.2/lib > > I have both and using qt3's version of qmake causes this type of problem > with qt4 source. I haven't played with cmake, so I can't help there. > > > -- Bruce I'll double-check. It is possible I installed the qt3 devel libraries to compile a non-kde4 program. John C. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jan 16 04:10:37 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jan 16 04:10:40 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <2c5b55441001131020j22c7a87g34ff33f94962d77a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> <2c5b55441001131020j22c7a87g34ff33f94962d77a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B51909D.9080302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Richard Maynard wrote: Mailman strips html and attachments. > > Great, now I have to change my signature! > mailman for satlug has -always- been ascii text, only. If your messages were bouncing before, or you felt that not all of your message was getting through to the list, it's because the mailing list -only- likes ascii text. As Bruce pointed out, html and attachments are stripped (and I am thankful!) -- -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 16 08:30:07 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 16 08:30:14 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] message etiquette In-Reply-To: <4B51909D.9080302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B49BED5.1000702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <201001102321.47696.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4AC854.7080609@gmail.com> <201001122153.33567.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4B4D5111.3030504@gmail.com> <2c5b55441001131020j22c7a87g34ff33f94962d77a@mail.gmail.com> <4B51909D.9080302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B51CD6F.7070501@reglue.org> > > mailman for satlug has -always- been ascii text, only. > what about utf-8 characters outside of the acii range? ? From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 16 10:06:31 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 16 10:06:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> I am running HTOP in a Konsole session and > nothing sticks out. Can someone please tell me what process I should be > looking for in HTOP? Thanks. > Which sound server are you using? ALSA, OSS, Jack? From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 16 16:21:57 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 16 16:22:05 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B523C05.5050008@reglue.org> >> Which sound server are you using? ALSA, OSS, Jack? > How do I determine this? Check under system settings. Which Desktop are you using? From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 18:33:00 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sat Jan 16 18:34:26 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Topics Message-ID: Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 18:34:12 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sat Jan 16 18:34:34 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available if the group is interested. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail > client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote > folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 16 19:04:20 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 16 19:04:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <4B525A10.5020203@gmail.com> References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> <4B523C05.5050008@reglue.org> <4B525A10.5020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B526214.1010306@reglue.org> > KDE 3.5.10 KDE uses the arts daemon which can be awkward. I haven't had problems with it in a while. What does artsshell status tell you? You might want to check this out: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2006-12/msg00463.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3999 If you want to kill sound with htop look for artsd. I would recommend scanning your xsession error logs and installing/reinstalling alsa-utils. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 21:19:31 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sat Jan 16 21:19:55 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available > if the group is interested. > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < > christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? >> >> -- >> Christopher Lemire >> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> > > > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 05:07:07 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Jan 17 05:07:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <4B52646A.7060407@gmail.com> References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> <4B523C05.5050008@reglue.org> <4B525A10.5020203@gmail.com> <4B526214.1010306@reglue.org> <4B52646A.7060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Michael wrote: > Don Davis wrote: >> >>> KDE 3.5.10 >> >> KDE uses the arts daemon which can be awkward. I haven't had problems with >> it in a while. >> >> What does >> artsshell status >> tell you? >> >> You might want to check this out: >> >> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2006-12/msg00463.html >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3999 >> >> >> If you want to kill sound with htop look for artsd. >> >> I would recommend scanning your xsession error logs and >> installing/reinstalling alsa-utils. >> >> > Thank you for the info. ?I am going to save this message for later use. ?I > became to frustrated to play with it any longer, so I sent back to FF > 2.0.0.23. ?The only reason I changed to FF 3.* was because FF 2.* had issues > with the Facebook website. However, Facebook is at the very bottom of my > priorities/list of interests so going back to FF 2* was no big deal. > > I am sure that I (eventually) will have to switch back (notice I do NOT use > the term 'upgrade') to 3.* ?When I do, I'll have your reply to refer to. > ?Thanks again. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Isn't this on a PCLinuxOS machine? Are you running 2009? How did you do your upgrades? It might be that some other packages need to be upgraded for FF 3.* to work. On the other hand some packages may have been upgraded that conflict with your audio chip. I have 3 PCLinuxOS machines and none of them has had any problems with FF and sound. The newest machine has all kinds of sound problems with multimedia like Flash and the video players on both Linux OS's. The problems are identical in both Linux OS's. The type of file seems to make more of a difference than the program playing it. This machiine has a Realtek ALC662 rev1 (digital) chip and dual boots Ubuntu 9.04 (previously 8.04, 8.10) and PCLinuxOS 2009. The sound does not work right on that machine for any Linux OS but does work fine with Windows. It has to do with the drivers. Linux is very late with drivers. I was advised the fix is to either download ALSA source and compile it all on the machine or buy a sound card for the PCI bus. I don't wish to do either. [Begin "Texstar" post] "Texstar", the guy who builds and releases PClinuxOS has a post on the Forum about how to do updates: How to properly update PCLinuxOS. Open Synaptic Press Reload To get current file list Click Mark All Upgrades CLick Apply DO NOT USE apt-get update and apt-get upgrade from the command line. This has never been recommended. If you insist on using the command line, the correct procedure is apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. If for any reason the system says it is not able to retrieve a package do you wish to continue always say no, report it to the forum and try to update again later. [End "Texstar post] My personal experience has been a little different than what "Texstar" says. I used Synaptic religiously with PCLinuxOS 2007 and never seemed to have a problem for a long time. Near the end of PCLinuxOS 2007 I started having update/upgrade problems related to repositories. When I started using PCLinuxOS 2009 I had repository and upgrade/update problems. Just like I have had with every Linux OS I have used starting with Red Hat. I stopped using Fedora Core, openSUSE and even PCLinuxOS. The problem for me was for some reason Synaptic didn't seem to properly synchronize all the updates/upgrades with regard to dependencies. I started using the sequence: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade (just like "Texstar" mentioned as an alternative) I started using this sequence instead of Synaptic and still had problems with repositories. I finally found a repository that was, and still is, valid and reliable. . With the "apt-get" sequence and the repository above I have had no real update problems for a while. I did have a problem recently with the "motion" program on PCLinuxOS when they released an update linked to the wrong libraries. They finally fixed it and released one that works. Interestingly enough I never saw a word on the Forums or anywhere from a Google search about the problem. My other machines run Ubuntu 9.04 and Mint Gloria. "motion" worked fine on them during this whole time. HTH, YMMV From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 05:13:40 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Jan 17 05:13:44 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <4B52646A.7060407@gmail.com> References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> <4B523C05.5050008@reglue.org> <4B525A10.5020203@gmail.com> <4B526214.1010306@reglue.org> <4B52646A.7060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Michael wrote: > Don Davis wrote: >> >>> KDE 3.5.10 >> >> KDE uses the arts daemon which can be awkward. I haven't had problems with >> it in a while. >> >> What does >> artsshell status >> tell you? >> >> You might want to check this out: >> >> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2006-12/msg00463.html >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3999 >> >> >> If you want to kill sound with htop look for artsd. >> >> I would recommend scanning your xsession error logs and >> installing/reinstalling alsa-utils. >> >> > Thank you for the info. ?I am going to save this message for later use. ?I > became to frustrated to play with it any longer, so I sent back to FF > 2.0.0.23. ?The only reason I changed to FF 3.* was because FF 2.* had issues > with the Facebook website. However, Facebook is at the very bottom of my > priorities/list of interests so going back to FF 2* was no big deal. > > I am sure that I (eventually) will have to switch back (notice I do NOT use > the term 'upgrade') to 3.* ?When I do, I'll have your reply to refer to. > ?Thanks again. > > > -- Forgot one link: I have used Falko Timme's setups because they are very complete and match my experience and expertise closely. For example, his list of what should be installed and why is very rare in how to's. From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jan 17 17:31:02 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jan 17 17:31:05 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Sound Issues In-Reply-To: References: <4B4F4142.2020802@gmail.com> <4B51C837.5040302@gmail.com> <4B51E407.3020604@reglue.org> <4B51E70C.4010501@gmail.com> <4B523C05.5050008@reglue.org> <4B525A10.5020203@gmail.com> <4B526214.1010306@reglue.org> <4B52646A.7060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B539DB6.8080403@lookcee.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Michael wrote: > >> Don Davis wrote: >> >>>> KDE 3.5.10 >>>> >>> KDE uses the arts daemon which can be awkward. I haven't had problems with >>> it in a while. >>> >>> What does >>> artsshell status >>> tell you? >>> >>> You might want to check this out: >>> >>> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2006-12/msg00463.html >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3999 >>> >>> >>> If you want to kill sound with htop look for artsd. >>> >>> I would recommend scanning your xsession error logs and >>> installing/reinstalling alsa-utils. >>> >>> >>> >> Thank you for the info. I am going to save this message for later use. I >> became to frustrated to play with it any longer, so I sent back to FF >> 2.0.0.23. The only reason I changed to FF 3.* was because FF 2.* had issues >> with the Facebook website. However, Facebook is at the very bottom of my >> priorities/list of interests so going back to FF 2* was no big deal. >> >> I am sure that I (eventually) will have to switch back (notice I do NOT use >> the term 'upgrade') to 3.* When I do, I'll have your reply to refer to. >> Thanks again. >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > Isn't this on a PCLinuxOS machine? Are you running 2009? > How did you do your upgrades? > It might be that some other packages need to be upgraded for FF 3.* to work. > On the other hand some packages may have been upgraded that conflict > with your audio chip. > > I have 3 PCLinuxOS machines and none of them has had any problems with > FF and sound. > The newest machine has all kinds of sound problems with multimedia > like Flash and the video players on both Linux OS's. The problems are > identical in both Linux OS's. > The type of file seems to make more of a difference than the program playing it. > This machiine has a Realtek ALC662 rev1 (digital) chip and dual boots > Ubuntu 9.04 (previously 8.04, 8.10) and PCLinuxOS 2009. The sound does > not work right on that machine for any Linux OS but does work fine > with Windows. It has to do with the drivers. Linux is very late with > drivers. I was advised the fix is to either download ALSA source and > compile it all on the machine or buy a sound card for the PCI bus. I > don't wish to do either. > > [Begin "Texstar" post] > "Texstar", the guy who builds and releases PClinuxOS has a post on the > Forum about how to do updates: > How to properly update PCLinuxOS. > > Open Synaptic > Press Reload To get current file list > Click Mark All Upgrades > CLick Apply > > DO NOT USE apt-get update and apt-get upgrade from the command line. > This has never been recommended. If you insist on using the command > line, the correct procedure is apt-get update and apt-get > dist-upgrade. If for any reason the system says it is not able to > retrieve a package do you wish to continue always say no, report it to > the forum and try to update again later. > > [End "Texstar post] > > My personal experience has been a little different than what "Texstar" says. > I used Synaptic religiously with PCLinuxOS 2007 and never seemed to > have a problem for a long time. > Near the end of PCLinuxOS 2007 I started having update/upgrade > problems related to repositories. When I started using PCLinuxOS 2009 > I had repository and upgrade/update problems. Just like I have had > with every Linux OS I have used starting with Red Hat. I stopped using > Fedora Core, openSUSE and even PCLinuxOS. > > The problem for me was for some reason Synaptic didn't seem to > properly synchronize all the updates/upgrades with regard to > dependencies. I started using the sequence: > > apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade (just like "Texstar" mentioned > as an alternative) > > I started using this sequence instead of Synaptic and still had > problems with repositories. I finally found a repository that was, and > still is, valid and reliable. > . > With the "apt-get" sequence and the repository above I have had no > real update problems for a while. > > I did have a problem recently with the "motion" program on PCLinuxOS > when they released an update linked to the wrong libraries. They > finally fixed it and released one that works. Interestingly enough I > never saw a word on the Forums or anywhere from a Google search about > the problem. My other machines run Ubuntu 9.04 and Mint Gloria. > "motion" worked fine on them during this whole time. > > HTH, YMMV > Hey Michael, ol Herb chiming in, don't quit on it you have some really helpful and knowledgeable dudes willing to help just cause they can ...so take a deep breath stop flailing and march on, I'm a creaky ol dude and they keep me running. I only started 3yrs ago and every prob that i failed on they have sorted me out. heck bro you can do anything you want with this crew to guide ya. Keep on keeping on hh From bkfuth at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:11:31 2010 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Sun Jan 17 20:11:33 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! Steve On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire wrote: > Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover > procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find > keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < > christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available >> if the group is interested. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < >> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? >> -- >> Christopher Lemire >> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> > > > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Jan 17 22:25:57 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Jan 17 22:26:04 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001172225.58012.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire > > wrote: > > Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could > > cover procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by > > mutt. I find keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. Hey Christopher, If you want to present on Mutt foo.. we have an open floor at XCSSA Monday night. :) Fell free.. we 're not very formal (no slides needed if it's just a demo or whatever.. that's fine). Anyway.. meeting it Monday @7pm here (if interested): http://xcssa.org/#MAP Tweeks From dondavis at reglue.org Mon Jan 18 07:39:09 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Mon Jan 18 07:39:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question Message-ID: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What questions caveats might you have? Such as: Does it play nice with Active directory? How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? Where do I get support? How much does support cost? From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 08:14:43 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Jan 18 08:14:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:11 PM, steve kolars wrote: > Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! > > Steve > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire > wrote: >> Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover >> procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find >> keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < >> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available >>> if the group is interested. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < >>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >>>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >>>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? > >>> -- >>> Christopher Lemire >>> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 Chris, about how long would you guess that your Mutt presentation would take? HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 09:21:54 2010 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Mon Jan 18 09:21:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1247a04a1001180721w217b68cfp3755064f04139377@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Don Davis wrote: > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. > a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > Does it play nice with Active directory? yes it does, I've configured several samba servers using AD as the source for user authentication and it was a breeze, believe, when it comes to Microsoft products, I am a computer illiterate. > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? 20/30 mins of searching Google should be more than enough. > Where do I get support? > How much does support cost? well..... it depends. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jan 18 11:44:47 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Mon Jan 18 11:44:55 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1263836687.7798.1.camel@redpill-laptop> start with Edubuntu. They have pretty much have a pretty simple implementation process for just such a setup. As the name suggests they have pretty much considered this hypothetical situation. Todd On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 07:39 -0600, Don Davis wrote: > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers > (e.g. a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > Does it play nice with Active directory? > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? > Where do I get support? > How much does support cost? From morfic at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 22:40:30 2010 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Mon Jan 18 22:40:33 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> Message-ID: <13bb8ce11001182040h271a8a7bn274f340b881c2a64@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Don Davis wrote: > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. > a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > Does it play nice with Active directory? > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? > Where do I get support? > How much does support cost? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > You can get quite a bit of info and support in #ltsp on irc.freenode.net From ryan_253 at live.com Mon Jan 18 23:00:08 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Mon Jan 18 23:03:04 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce11001182040h271a8a7bn274f340b881c2a64@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org>, <13bb8ce11001182040h271a8a7bn274f340b881c2a64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm a very new Linux user. Caveat might be out of my realm for a short while. I will say this, growing up with computers in school was integral to development and has only proliferated into every aspect of our consciousness. the key questions are what will this "system of Lunixs" be used for? Linux is highly malleable to say the least and also add a devlopmental element to PC learning. The three essential systems in use today are MAC, MS, and Linux. there are literally hundreds of flavors and are like lego pieces they just fit but you have to know and understand what you want it to do, or be. I would take a look at Ubuntu Server and desktop platforms to break people into a cohesive, understandable, flexible and easily developed open source operating platform. Here this is a good place to start developing a bid. Remember its open source, and the price starts at free. . . http://www.ubuntu.com Ryan Smith > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:40:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question > From: morfic@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Don Davis wrote: > > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. > > a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > > Does it play nice with Active directory? > > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? > > Where do I get support? > > How much does support cost? > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > You can get quite a bit of info and support in #ltsp on irc.freenode.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 02:41:22 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Tue Jan 19 02:41:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not sure. I am going to start preparing for it right now by doing lots of research. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:11 PM, steve kolars wrote: >> Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire >> wrote: >>> Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover >>> procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find >>> keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < >>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available >>>> if the group is interested. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < >>>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >>>>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >>>>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? >> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher Lemire >>>> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > > Chris, ?about how long would you guess that > your Mutt presentation would take? > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX ?USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From fhuddles at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 11:59:05 2010 From: fhuddles at gmail.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Tue Jan 19 11:58:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? Message-ID: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> Greetings, Again, I've just skimmed the material about the various things people have mentioned. I'm not as interested in the standard network image install: that's good for a start, but doesn't address ongoing configuration and interoperability issues unless some other technology is used. Puppet looks really interesting and useful: not quite what I had in mind, but that's OK, because I didn't have anything very specific in mind, and it looks like a useful open-source system administration technology. Robert Pearson mentioned the late and lamented OpenMosix, and from the short description: openMosix is a Linux kernel extension for single-system image clustering. Taking n PC boxes, openMosix gives users and applications the illusion of one single computer with n CPUs. openMosix is perfectly scalable and adaptive. Yes! That's more like it! Now, I don't know how well it actually worked, but it sounds good. LDAP was mentioned, as it always is. I have looked into this some, but I think I'll launch another thread for this specifically. By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. He's even written an O'Reilly book: "Hadoop: The Definitive Guide". Regards, Frank Huddleston From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:00:26 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Jan 19 12:00:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Christopher Lemire wrote: > I am not sure. I am going to start preparing for it right now by doing > lots of research. > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:11 PM, steve kolars wrote: >>> Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire >>> wrote: >>>> Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover >>>> procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find >>>> keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < >>>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available >>>>> if the group is interested. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < >>>>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >>>>>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >>>>>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? >>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher Lemire >>>>> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> >> Chris, ?about how long would you guess that >> your Mutt presentation would take? >> >> HH >> -- >> Howard Haradon >> San Antonio, TX ?USA >> -- >> _______________________________________________ > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 If you think it could be tailored to the 30-45 minute range, then perhaps it could be paired with the completion of Ben Temple's Rackspace Cloud demo. This combined effort might comprise our Thursday, March 11th program. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Jan 19 12:07:34 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Jan 19 12:07:46 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A96D2A-61CC-491C-8219-524D00DA87E6@rugmonster.org> On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the > Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. I worked in the Austin office up until last week where Stu works. He's an insanely smart guy. I know he does presentations from time to time. If you ever get a chance to go to one, I highly suggest it. (BTW, I'm still at Rackspace, just in SA now.) Daniel From ryan_253 at live.com Tue Jan 19 14:32:23 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Tue Jan 19 14:33:21 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: , , , <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com>, , Message-ID: I think its important to point out that most PC users prefer G.U.I. since DOS was unaesthetic. Some of us beginners are getting used to being able to use "terminal" command line for doing some of our stuff; but still like our GUI for other things. Could you imagine if the internet was all CODE and we had to make sense of it? Not all Linux users are going to program and develop we leave that to to the people who are talented enough to lead innovation and thank those who are brave enough to take the initiative to go it solo. Thanks for lettin' my two cents fall into the cup! > From: christopher.lemire@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:41:22 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics > To: satlug@satlug.org > > I am not sure. I am going to start preparing for it right now by doing > lots of research. > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:11 PM, steve kolars wrote: > >> Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire > >> wrote: > >>> Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover > >>> procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find > >>> keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < > >>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available > >>>> if the group is interested. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < > >>>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail > >>>>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote > >>>>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> Christopher Lemire > >>>> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > > > > Chris, about how long would you guess that > > your Mutt presentation would take? > > > > HH > > -- > > Howard Haradon > > San Antonio, TX USA > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From ryan_253 at live.com Tue Jan 19 15:00:16 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Tue Jan 19 15:09:54 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <46A96D2A-61CC-491C-8219-524D00DA87E6@rugmonster.org> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com>, <46A96D2A-61CC-491C-8219-524D00DA87E6@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: So I'm about to to venture off to Northwest Vista today to poke around and plan, tentatively, to begin the Linux courses out there. Does anyone know if its any good for someone who dove head first into Linux about a month ago? Here is where I started, independently: Software: Mandriva 2008 Ubuntu 64 SuSE KDE Books: Linux for dummies (2003) Programming C# (2005) Linux Command (SYBEX) All picked up at Half Price Books Your insight and guidance advice is appreciated Ryan Smith > From: daniel@rugmonster.org > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:07:34 -0600 > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Frank Huddleston > wrote: > > > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the > > Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. > > I worked in the Austin office up until last week where Stu works. He's > an insanely smart guy. I know he does presentations from time to time. > If you ever get a chance to go to one, I highly suggest it. > > (BTW, I'm still at Rackspace, just in SA now.) > > Daniel > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From ryan_253 at live.com Tue Jan 19 15:17:18 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Tue Jan 19 15:17:52 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce11001182040h271a8a7bn274f340b881c2a64@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org>, <13bb8ce11001182040h271a8a7bn274f340b881c2a64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: HERE YOU MIGHT LIKE THIS! http://directory.fedoraproject.org/ > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:40:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question > From: morfic@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Don Davis wrote: > > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. > > a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > > Does it play nice with Active directory? > > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? > > Where do I get support? > > How much does support cost? > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > You can get quite a bit of info and support in #ltsp on irc.freenode.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From ryan_253 at live.com Tue Jan 19 15:18:35 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Tue Jan 19 15:22:17 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ubuntu has "cloud" and many other services to use in its server editions. > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:59:05 -0600 > From: fhuddles@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? > > Greetings, > > Again, I've just skimmed the material about the various things people > have mentioned. I'm not as interested in the standard network image > install: that's good for a start, but doesn't address ongoing > configuration and interoperability issues unless some other technology > is used. > Puppet looks really interesting and useful: not quite what I had in > mind, but that's OK, > because I didn't have anything very specific in mind, and it looks like > a useful open-source system administration technology. > Robert Pearson mentioned the late and lamented OpenMosix, and from the > short description: > > openMosix is a Linux kernel extension for single-system image clustering. Taking n PC boxes, openMosix gives users and applications the illusion of one single computer with n CPUs. openMosix is perfectly scalable and adaptive. > > Yes! That's more like it! Now, I don't know how well it actually worked, but it sounds good. > LDAP was mentioned, as it always is. I have looked into this some, but I think I'll launch another thread for this specifically. > > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. He's even written an O'Reilly book: "Hadoop: The Definitive Guide". > > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jan 19 16:34:32 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Jan 19 16:34:35 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> , <46A96D2A-61CC-491C-8219-524D00DA87E6@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <1263940472.17852.3.camel@redpill-laptop> I would recommend that very much. Although it really depends on what you plan to do. Are you planning on entering the IT field or is this just for your own personal interest and education? I am currently gong to SAC and am working towards my AS in Network security. That said if I wasn't entering into the IT field I am not so sure that the classes would have been worth it, as I was able to learn quite a lot about Linux from my best friend Google and the good people on this list of course. It all really depends on what your interests are and your devotion to those interest. Todd On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 13:00 -0800, Ryan Smith wrote: > So I'm about to to venture off to Northwest Vista today to poke around and plan, tentatively, to begin the Linux courses out there. Does anyone know if its any good for someone who dove head first into Linux about a month ago? > > Here is where I started, independently: > > Software: > > Mandriva 2008 > Ubuntu 64 > SuSE KDE > > Books: > > Linux for dummies (2003) > Programming C# (2005) > Linux Command (SYBEX) > > All picked up at Half Price Books > Your insight and guidance advice is appreciated > > Ryan Smith > > > > From: daniel@rugmonster.org > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:07:34 -0600 > > > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Frank Huddleston > > wrote: > > > > > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the > > > Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. > > > > I worked in the Austin office up until last week where Stu works. He's > > an insanely smart guy. I know he does presentations from time to time. > > If you ever get a chance to go to one, I highly suggest it. > > > > (BTW, I'm still at Rackspace, just in SA now.) > > > > Daniel > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From ryan_253 at live.com Tue Jan 19 19:48:41 2010 From: ryan_253 at live.com (Ryan Smith) Date: Tue Jan 19 19:48:42 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <1263940472.17852.3.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com>,, <46A96D2A-61CC-491C-8219-524D00DA87E6@rugmonster.org>, , <1263940472.17852.3.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: Todd, See that's the funny thing I'm really not sure what my motivation is just yet. I know many servers and IT ppl like the platform. I think once I can begin to learn programming and think of solutions to problems that arise and learn the submission criteria I'll be well rounded, especially after I take these classes. I came from DOS and the dawn of windows and Apple IIe way back when.... My downfall is I'm not a fast typer but notice quirks in programs that are easy changes. I think to begin with I'll start doing Install fests and set up a home server dedicated to FTP and such. I come from a Mechanical Engineering Back ground so reverse engineering and stuff like that are just going to add to what is now just a part time hobby, so to speak.....LOL Anyway good I'll keep that in mind since my girl cut her foot and we didn't get to go anywhere but to get a few stictches rather than running off to peek at programs. I think we'll go tomorrow actually so yeah. TTYL! Ryan > Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? > From: toddwbucy@grandecom.net > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:32 -0600 > > I would recommend that very much. Although it really depends on what > you plan to do. Are you planning on entering the IT field or is this > just for your own personal interest and education? I am currently gong > to SAC and am working towards my AS in Network security. That said if I > wasn't entering into the IT field I am not so sure that the classes > would have been worth it, as I was able to learn quite a lot about Linux > from my best friend Google and the good people on this list of course. > It all really depends on what your interests are and your devotion to > those interest. > > Todd > > On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 13:00 -0800, Ryan Smith wrote: > > So I'm about to to venture off to Northwest Vista today to poke around and plan, tentatively, to begin the Linux courses out there. Does anyone know if its any good for someone who dove head first into Linux about a month ago? > > > > Here is where I started, independently: > > > > Software: > > > > Mandriva 2008 > > Ubuntu 64 > > SuSE KDE > > > > Books: > > > > Linux for dummies (2003) > > Programming C# (2005) > > Linux Command (SYBEX) > > > > All picked up at Half Price Books > > Your insight and guidance advice is appreciated > > > > Ryan Smith > > > > > > > From: daniel@rugmonster.org > > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:07:34 -0600 > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Frank Huddleston > > > wrote: > > > > > > > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the > > > > Apache distributed computing system: Stu Hood. > > > > > > I worked in the Austin office up until last week where Stu works. He's > > > an insanely smart guy. I know he does presentations from time to time. > > > If you ever get a chance to go to one, I highly suggest it. > > > > > > (BTW, I'm still at Rackspace, just in SA now.) > > > > > > Daniel > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/-- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 01:03:20 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jan 20 01:03:24 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > ?Again, I've just skimmed the material about the various things people have > mentioned. I'm not as interested in the standard network image install: > that's good for a start, but doesn't address ongoing configuration and > interoperability issues unless some other technology is used. > Puppet looks really interesting and useful: not quite what I had in mind, > but that's OK, > because I didn't have anything very specific in mind, and it looks like a > useful open-source system administration technology. > Robert Pearson mentioned the late and lamented OpenMosix, and from the short > description: > > openMosix is a Linux kernel extension for single-system image clustering. > Taking n PC boxes, openMosix gives users and applications the illusion of > one single computer with n CPUs. openMosix is perfectly scalable and > adaptive. > > Yes! That's more like it! Now, I don't know how well it actually worked, but > it sounds good. > LDAP was mentioned, as it always is. I have looked into this some, but I > think I'll launch another thread for this specifically. > > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the Apache > distributed computing system: Stu Hood. ?He's even written an O'Reilly book: > "Hadoop: The Definitive Guide". > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- If you are interested in briefly walking down the openMosix History Lane do this: Open a Google search window Type in this search string without the quotes "openMosix site:satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/" This search string produced 54 hits for me. Some of them look pretty interesting at first. Then, when you realize you are talking about a dead horse, they don't look so interesting anymore. Let's deal with the living. The dead have earned their rest. The living would be Hadoop and Cloud Computing. Not the same thing. Neither are Cloud and Home Cloud. Clouds are at least one level of abstraction above Hadoop, IMHO, YMMV. The closest link would be that Hadoop can be run in a Cloud at the "Platform as a Service (PaaS)" level to deliver distributed applications to people who need that. Other parts of the Cloud would deliver "Software as a Service (SaaS)" for a whole bunch of other feature/functions like Storage, Backups, Apps (Hadoop would be one App delivered). According to Wikipedia that is what people are doing. Cloud Computing Don't let that discourage you. Outside of the IDCs (Internet Data Centers) I have had trouble finding out what people are doing for Clouds Only the "BIG BOYS" seem to have the "bucks" to hire the talent to write the software and buy the masses of equipment. Keep digging until you find something you can sink your teeth into. That's what I love about computing. You can never learn all of it and there is always something new coming along. I learn something every day. The goal of a Cloud is not to integrate vast quantities of dissimilar and seemingly unrelated hardware but to concentrate "Computing Power On Demand (remember Cluster on Demand [CoD])" at will and "Just In Time (JIT)". Remember Grid Computing? The future may well be a "Grid" of Clouds. Makes sense to me... Another key differentiating factor between Clusters, Cluster on Demand, Hadoop and Cloud is external rather than internal. Many PaaS and SaaS feature/functions are being outsourced even for private companies. This has led to very interesting Security needs for Clouds. If you are really interested in Clouds the Werner Vogels blog (CTO Amazon) "All Things Distributed" is a "MUST" read; There are long pauses between his postings. He is a very busy guy but the posts are "pure Cloud gold". [Caveat] Amazon is one way of doing a Cloud. Other people do it differently. Google for one. I happen to like Werner's way of making Clouds. For a "Cloud within a Storage Cloud" I recommend Hu Yoshida of HDS's (Hitachi Data Systems) blog. Hu is talking about Clouds within the Storage Cloud. Hu is a busy guy so there are long gaps in his posts. Werner uses Hu concepts to "Storage up" Amazon's Clouds. He may not, like Google, use HDS Storage. Clouds are still too big to capture in the Home or SOHO. Some day... remember SuperComputing? HTH, YMMV From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 01:16:16 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jan 20 01:16:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Hypothetical LTSP\Linux in schools question In-Reply-To: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> References: <4B54647D.7070603@reglue.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Don Davis wrote: > Imagine you are in charge of an MS network of a few hundred computers (e.g. > a High School) or a few thousand (e.g. a school district). Someone > recommends using Linux/ Linux LTSP in some classrooms instances. What > questions caveats might you have? Such as: > Does it play nice with Active directory? > How difficult is it to configure LDAP with Active Directory? > Where do I get support? > How much does support cost? > -- You might find some useful, albeit maybe dated, information by searching the SATLUG mail archives. Use this search string without the quotes: "LTSP site:satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/" It returned 156 hits for me. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 01:59:49 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Wed Jan 20 02:00:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Ryan Smith wrote: > > I think its important to point out that most PC users prefer G.U.I. since DOS was unaesthetic. Some of us beginners are getting used to being able to use "terminal" command line for doing some of our stuff; but still like our GUI for other things. > Could you imagine if the internet was all CODE and we had to make sense of it? Not all Linux users are going to program and develop we leave that to to the people who are talented enough to lead innovation and thank those who are brave enough to take the initiative to go it solo. Thanks for lettin' my two cents fall into the cup! Do you have a better presentation to give? > >> From: christopher.lemire@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:41:22 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics >> To: satlug@satlug.org >> >> I am not sure. I am going to start preparing for it right now by doing >> lots of research. >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: >> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:11 PM, steve kolars wrote: >> >> Forget gui!!! I would like to see this presentation! >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Christopher Lemire >> >> wrote: >> >>> Looks like there are too many people who'd rather use the gui. I could cover >> >>> procmail with regular expressions to sort emails downloaded by mutt. I find >> >>> keyboard shortcuts in Mutt much faster than point and click. >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Christopher Lemire < >> >>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> And I will do more research on it to see what other features are available >> >>>> if the group is interested. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Lemire < >> >>>> christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Would anyone be interested in a topic about using Mutt (command line mail >> >>>>> client) with vim to write your emails, gpg integration, imap (remote >> >>>>> folders), hooks, multiple accounts, and customizing a .muttrc file? >> >> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Christopher Lemire >> >>>> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> > >> > Chris, ?about how long would you guess that >> > your Mutt presentation would take? >> > >> > HH >> > -- >> > Howard Haradon >> > San Antonio, TX ?USA >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Christopher Lemire >> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 11:35:03 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jan 20 11:35:08 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation Message-ID: Hi, I wonder if there would be some general interest in seeing a HowTo install for DD-WRT on a router. I have an Asus 520gu router that could be used as the subject for this demo. Also, I would be happy to prepare much of the presentation with assistance from some- one who has experience with DD-WRT. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 11:36:33 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Jan 20 11:36:36 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've done this many times and have some spare Linksys' that I can use. If anyone is interested, I would be happy to present. Ernest On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, I wonder if there would be some general interest > in seeing a HowTo install for DD-WRT on a router. > I have an Asus 520gu router that could be used as the > subject for this demo. Also, I would be happy to prepare > much of the presentation with assistance from some- > one who has experience with DD-WRT. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jan 20 16:51:08 2010 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Wed Jan 20 16:51:53 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> I know there is some estoric concern and curiousity abut cloud computing, however, I doubt the average user is really interested. What I would like to see is a presentaton and how to do it for "Software as a service" An area where there is a lot of interest, and a very limited availability. I would like to find out how to offer this service locally and have the servers and computing power and connectivity to do it, if I only knew how to set it up. I wonder if there are others on here in It who would like to learn more about thi svery under-utilized service. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 17:47:35 2010 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed Jan 20 17:47:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> References: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> Message-ID: <917F7770-E8BB-4257-83C1-63CE064547BF@gmail.com> If you take a look at my blog www.siliconewhisperer.com and read the 'Layers within Cloud Computing', SaaS is one of those. I would be glad to go in depth with any layer within that pyramid. E On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:51 PM, "Doug" wrote: > I know there is some estoric concern and curiousity abut cloud > computing, however, I doubt the average user is really interested. > > What I would like to see is a presentaton and how to do it for > "Software as a service" An area where there is a lot of interest, > and a very limited availability. I would like to find out how to > offer this service locally and have the servers and computing power > and connectivity to do it, if I only knew how to set it up. I > wonder if there are others on here in It who would like to learn > more about thi svery under-utilized service. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 22:16:08 2010 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jan 20 22:16:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> References: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Doug wrote: > I know there is some estoric concern and curiousity abut cloud computing, > however, I doubt the average user is really interested. > > What I would like to see is a presentaton and how to do it for "Software as > a service" ?An area where there is a lot of interest, and a very limited > availability. ?I would like to find out how to offer this service locally > and have the servers and computing power and connectivity to do it, if I > only knew how to set it up. ?I wonder if there are others on here in It who > would like to learn more about thi svery under-utilized service. > > > -- Here is a slide presentation that might help focus questions for the meeting: "Saas And Cloud Computing for the Public Sector" The key words above are "Public Sector" The Public Sector is the largest market by far for "make a profit" Cloud Computing companies. We will not hear much about "Private Sector" Cloud Computing like Department of Defense (DOD) and others. Two related short, to the point posts: "Defining SaaS, PaaS, IaaS, etc" "The Rise of Cloud Platforms and Why the OS Doesn?t Matter" These are similar to Ernest de Leon's posts and are for other points of view. I read Ernest de Leon's posts with great interest. They are excellent. More to the point, Ernest can bring great technical detail to each level. Someting that is lacking in most of the overview posts. I read this post first and followed the links to other posts for a clear picture: "Orchestration and Life Cycle Management bring true value to Cloud Computing" The driving force behind Cloud Computing success is the Business Model - SaaS. To my great regret previous attempts like InfiniBand (IaaS), ILM (PaaS) and SOA (SaaS) (and possibly ITIL, ITSM (SaaS)) have been abandoned. SATLUG is a very technical organization and Ernest looks like a good bet to deliver what highly technical people need and want to hear about Cloud Computing. Cloud Computing is not for everyone... IMHO, YMMV From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 01:57:46 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Jan 21 01:58:09 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Robert Pearson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Doug wrote: >> I know there is some estoric concern and curiousity abut cloud computing, >> however, I doubt the average user is really interested. >> >> What I would like to see is a presentaton and how to do it for "Software as >> a service" ?An area where there is a lot of interest, and a very limited >> availability. ?I would like to find out how to offer this service locally >> and have the servers and computing power and connectivity to do it, if I >> only knew how to set it up. ?I wonder if there are others on here in It who >> would like to learn more about thi svery under-utilized service. >> >> >> -- > > Here is a slide presentation that might help focus questions for the meeting: > "Saas And Cloud Computing for the Public Sector" > > The key words above are "Public Sector" The Public Sector is the > largest market by far for "make a profit" Cloud Computing companies. > We will not hear much about "Private Sector" Cloud Computing like > Department of Defense (DOD) and others. > > Two related short, to the point posts: > "Defining SaaS, PaaS, IaaS, etc" > > "The Rise of Cloud Platforms and Why the OS Doesn?t Matter" > > These are similar to Ernest de Leon's posts and are for other points of view. > > I read Ernest de Leon's posts with great interest. They are excellent. > More to the point, Ernest can bring great technical detail to each > level. Someting that is lacking in most of the overview posts. I read > this post first and followed the links to other posts for a clear > picture: > "Orchestration and Life Cycle Management bring true value to Cloud Computing" > > > The driving force behind Cloud Computing success is the Business Model - SaaS. > To my great regret previous attempts like InfiniBand (IaaS), ILM > (PaaS) and SOA (SaaS) (and possibly ITIL, ITSM (SaaS)) have been > abandoned. > ?SATLUG is a very technical organization and Ernest looks like a good > bet to deliver what highly technical people need and want to hear > about Cloud Computing. > > Cloud Computing is not for everyone... > > IMHO, YMMV > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Why not have of making suggestions for future topics by satluggers and a way of voting for them on the wiki or site? -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 02:14:57 2010 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Jan 21 02:15:20 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Possible Future Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <3C9487DC44C94BF896C4DD049918640F@Control> Message-ID: As for the Mutt, I've spent a few hours in Borders today looking for a book that covers it, and all I could find is one that mentions it. I do have quite a bit of experience on it in the past and am practicing it again, refreshing some of my memory more on it now. It has a steep learning curve, but very nice once learned. Possibly a book on a specific distro that includes Mutt would have some more on it. I asked in #mutt if there was a book on it, and I was given the response to let them know if I found one. As for now, I'll be doing my more research online again. As far as regex, I've been using simple regex like $ (end of a line), ^ (beginning of a line), escape sequences, in vim, sed and grep, and later learned that was called regular expressions. Now I am learning about boundaries, seeing examples for extracting just html tags out of files, and more complex stuff. I will need to do more research and practice. I don't want to come in soon and give a half ass presentation. I'd like to give a very informative one. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 14:11:56 2010 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jan 21 14:12:02 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Making a sound card use a specific kernel module Message-ID: <201001211411.56525.jdchoate@gmail.com> Awhile back I bought a motherboard which came with a Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme pci-e card. For quite awhile I never used this card, but recently learned that it has been available to use since kernel 2.6.31 with module snd_ctxfi. I am using kernel 2.6.32.4, btw. I installed it yesterday, but am having troubles getting it to work. It gets module 'snd_intel_hda' assigned to it when the system boots and channels show in alsa mixer and kmix, but there is no sound output. I'm running Mandriva 2010 by the way, and those with PCLinuxOS have the same 'drak' tools such as 'harddrake' to configure the sound card. If I assign 'snd_ctxfi' to the card using harddrake then not only do I get no sound, no channels show in a mixer either. If I do 'lspci -v' it shows that the kernel module is still 'snd_intel_hda'. I have tried to 'modprobe -r snd_intel_hda' and 'modprove snd_ctxfi', but don't know enough about kernel modules to do more than that. I never do get the proper module assigned to the card and have no idea how to force it. I have found nothing in /etc/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/* or /etc/alsa/* or /etc/pulse/* which specifically lists 'snd_intel_hda' anywhere. So basically I am lost and clueless now and wish for input from somebody more knowledgeable. I will not be too disappointed if I do not get this card working because my old Hercules Game Theater XP still works pretty well (but has some pulseaudio issues). I basically want to see if this card has more or less glitches with pulseaudio than my current card. I already have my sights on a much more awesome card which I know will work, I just don't have the $220 yet that I will need for it ;) *BTW* - No, I cannot enable on-board audio because it was stripped from the motherboard in order for the manufacturer to put on a copper heat-pipe chipset cooler. * I also am not interested in removing pulseaudio. I want to test this card with pulseaudio, so please do not respond with advice for removing pulseaudio. John C. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jan 21 23:23:44 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Jan 21 23:23:54 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> References: <4B55F2E9.8050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001212323.45161.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 19 January 2010 11:59:05 am Frank Huddleston wrote: [...] > By the way, it seems that Rackspace employs an expert in Hadoop, the Apache > distributed computing system: Stu Hood. He's even written an O'Reilly > book: "Hadoop: The Definitive Guide". Stu's a good guy.. He works in my division, Rackspace Email & Apps. Tweeks From lgj at usenix.org Fri Jan 22 18:00:39 2010 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Fri Jan 22 18:00:42 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] INM/WREN '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <63373DB3-C9FA-4369-B56E-34E33E1ACDA7@usenix.org> We're writing to remind that the submissions deadline for the 2010 Internet Network Management Workshop/Workshop on Research on Enterprise Networking (INM/WREN '10) is quickly approaching. Please register your work by February 5, 2010, 11:59 p.m. PST http://www.usenix.org/inmwren10/cfpb/ The joint INM/WREN workshop seeks to bring together researchers in two closely related communities: network management and enterprise networks. There are several synergies between the two communities, and this workshop provides a common forum for researchers working in this space. We seek papers that identify new problem areas,present new system designs and end-host/network architectures, and offer new methods and measurement insights pertaining to network management and enterprise networks. We welcome papers that use data and measurements in a bottom-up fashion to gain insight into the issues of network management or that use that data to motivate top-down rethinking of network systems and architectures. We explicitly solicit papers on new designs for enterprise networks, including security issues and data-center network designs. As this is a workshop, complete implementation and results are not required, but clear statements of the problem and of the approach are. Topics of interest include but are not restricted to: * Comparisons of management for public and enterprise networks * Enterprise network design and management * Fault and performance management, diagnosis, and troubleshooting * New abstractions for network configuration management * New control-plane architectures and data-plane mechanisms * Workload characterization for enterprise networks * Measurements and insights from network operations * Hitless planned maintenance * Data-center network design and measurement For more details on the submission process, please see the complete Call for Papers at: http://www.usenix.org/inmwren10/cfpb/ We look forward to receiving your submissions! Aditya Akella, University of Wisconsin-Madison Nick Feamster, Georgia Institute of Technology Sanjay Rao, Purdue University INM/WREN '10 Program Co-Chairs inmwren10chairs@usenix.org --------------------------------- Call for Papers 2010 Internet Network Management Workshop/Workshop on Research on Enterprise Networking April 27, 2010 San Jose, CA http://www.usenix.org/inmwren10/cfpb/ Paper Registration Deadline: February 5, 2010, 11:59 p.m. PST --------------------------------- From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Jan 23 18:56:04 2010 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Jan 23 18:56:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] how to cat a file with - in the name Message-ID: <4B5B9AA4.8050007@reglue.org> There is a file with a dash '-' at the beginning of the name how can I cat it? From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 18:58:08 2010 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Jan 23 18:58:11 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] how to cat a file with - in the name In-Reply-To: <4B5B9AA4.8050007@reglue.org> References: <4B5B9AA4.8050007@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa1001231658y7dfb6e9bja937e6d5ca5ba755@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Don Davis wrote: > There is a file with a dash '-' at the beginning of the name how can I cat > it? > -- cat -- -filename The double -- terminates options and tells cat that everything after that point is an argument. This works for most commands .. like rm -- -filename. -Henry From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 22:37:59 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jan 23 22:38:03 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] how to cat a file with - in the name In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa1001231658y7dfb6e9bja937e6d5ca5ba755@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5B9AA4.8050007@reglue.org> <1003aeaa1001231658y7dfb6e9bja937e6d5ca5ba755@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5BCEA7.5060204@gmail.com> Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Don Davis wrote: >> There is a file with a dash '-' at the beginning of the name how can I cat >> it? >> -- > > cat -- -filename > > The double -- terminates options and tells cat that everything after > that point is an argument. This works for most commands .. like rm -- > -filename. That is the most precise. Another way is to use a wildcard: cat ?filname Of course there are potential conflicts with a wildcard. -- Bruce From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 23 22:39:08 2010 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Sat Jan 23 22:39:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Disappearing CD Icon Message-ID: <505208.4580.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a PC loaded with Ubuntu 9.10, including the latest files from Update Manager.? It's working just fine and all ready to go to a refugee family EXCEPT the CD icon disappears when you insert a CD.? Makes it very hard to play music CDs (or any other kind) which most of these families like to do.? The icon returns as soon as the CD is ejected.? Tried the ultimate resource, Google, but it has lots of reports citing the problem and precious little sound advice (pardon the pun) on how to solve it.? I could use some solid solutions from local sources.? Thanks in advance. Art From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 08:59:07 2010 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Jan 24 08:59:10 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Disappearing CD Icon In-Reply-To: <505208.4580.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <505208.4580.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Arthur Hall wrote: > I have a PC loaded with Ubuntu 9.10, including the latest files from Update Manager.? It's working just fine and all ready to go to a refugee family EXCEPT the CD icon disappears when you insert a CD.? Makes it very hard to play music CDs (or any other kind) which most of these families like to do.? The icon returns as soon as the CD is ejected.? Tried the ultimate resource, Google, but it has lots of reports citing the problem and precious little sound advice (pardon the pun) on how to solve it.? I could use some solid solutions from local sources.? Thanks in advance. > Art Hi Art, Here are some things to work on until someone who really knows the answer can post. What is the identity of the cdrom device? What happens when you try to mount from the command line with: mount /media/cdrom0 Look at your /etc/fstab file. It should have a line for the cdrom. Something like: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 Post again with what the results of this. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 24 11:38:30 2010 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Sun Jan 24 11:38:32 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Disappearing CD Icon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <544401.31564.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Howard Haradon wrote: Hi Art,? Here are some things to work on until someone who really knows the answer can post. What is the identity of the cdrom device? What happens when you try to mount from the command line with: mount /media/cdrom0 Look at your /etc/fstab file.? It should have a line for the cdrom.? Something like: /dev/scd0? ? ???/media/cdrom0???udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0? ? ???0 Post again with what the results of this. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX? USA -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Howard, Thanks for the info.? Got the first response below when I had no CD aboard.? The second response came after I tried it with a CD loaded.? What did I do wrong or, better yet, what should I do right? Art user@user-desktop:~$ mount /media/cdrom0 mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 user@user-desktop:~$ mount /media/cdrom0 mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, ?????? missing codepage or helper program, or other error ?????? In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try ?????? dmesg | tail? or so From fhuddles at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 14:15:55 2010 From: fhuddles at gmail.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Sun Jan 24 14:15:58 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SOHO LDAP Message-ID: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> Greetings, Has anyone here implemented a multi-computer configuration using LDAP? If so, I'd like to hear about it. I remember about 1999-2000, Novell was sellling a kind of LDAP application that would do pretty much what the MS Active Directory does, but with a more eclectic set of clients. I don't know what happened to that: do any of you? I think I heard that Red Hat might also have some kind of application like that, and of course there is Active Directory, but that does require MS computers to run it, and I don't know how well it works with non-MS clients. I think Apple's OS X server uses some kind of LDAP directory, but, being OS X Server, is rather expensive, and expected to run on a Mac. A few years ago, I tried something that was called the "NetInfo Bridge", which was an application that was designed to allow interoperability between the OS X NetInfo, which is (or was?) some kind of quasi-LDAP system, and LDAP, in this case Open LDAP, I think. I had compilation or installation problems with my version of OS X, which by then I think was not the latest, and I think the NetInfo had changed some between the OS X releases. I messed with it for a while, then went on to other things, as so often happens. So, I often hear people suggest using LDAP when I ask these multi-computer configuration and management issues, but now I'm asking: have any of you actually implemented such a thing, and if so, please tell me/us about it. Thanks, Frank Huddleston From gregswift at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 14:25:20 2010 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Sun Jan 24 14:25:25 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SOHO LDAP In-Reply-To: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> References: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d71001241225x1fa50713n7bee3625b71cb317@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 14:15, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > Has anyone here implemented a multi-computer configuration using LDAP? If > so, I'd like to hear about it. > I remember about 1999-2000, Novell was sellling a kind of LDAP application > that would do pretty much what the MS Active Directory does, > but with a more eclectic set of clients. I don't know what happened to > that: do any of you? > I think I heard that Red Hat might also have some kind of application like > that, and of course there is Active Directory, but that does require MS > computers > to run it, and I don't know how well it works with non-MS clients. > I think Apple's OS X server uses some kind of LDAP directory, but, being > OS X Server, is rather expensive, and expected to run on a Mac. > A few years ago, I tried something that was called the "NetInfo Bridge", > which was an application that was designed to allow interoperability between > the OS X NetInfo, which is (or was?) some kind of quasi-LDAP system, and > LDAP, in this case Open LDAP, I think. I had compilation or installation > problems with my version of > OS X, which by then I think was not the latest, and I think the NetInfo had > changed some between the OS X releases. I messed with it for a while, then > went on to other things, as so often happens. > > So, I often hear people suggest using LDAP when I ask these multi-computer > configuration and management issues, but now I'm asking: have any of you > actually implemented such a thing, and if so, please tell me/us about it. > > Thanks, > > Frank Huddleston > > I've not gotten the chance to play with it, but the old Netscape Directory Server is now the Fedora Directory Server, which is the base of the project FreeIPA. You can check it out at http://freeipa.org Its currently in alpha run for the 2.0 version. -greg From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Jan 24 15:27:14 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Jan 24 15:26:56 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SOHO LDAP In-Reply-To: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> References: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5CBB32.4080607@rugmonster.org> On 1/24/2010 2:15 PM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Has anyone here implemented a multi-computer configuration using LDAP? > If so, I'd like to hear about it. Yep. I ran it for a while. I used it for central user management for Linux and Samba. I also stored AutoFS information in LDAP to all of my Linux hosts had a common AutoFS configuration at all times. > I think I heard that Red Hat might also have some kind of application > like that That is the Red Hat Directory Server and the free version, the 389 Directory Server http://www.redhat.com/directory_server/ http://directory.fedoraproject.org/ There's also OpenLDAP. http://www.openldap.org/ When I was running my LDAP setup, I used OpenLDAP. I've never touched the Fedora/Red Hat directory server. > and of course there is Active Directory, but that does > require MS computers > to run it The thing to remember about Active Directory is that it's much more than just LDAP. LDAP is just a directory service. It stores information like a database. You can configure systems to pull information from LDAP much like they would store the information in a local file, such as /etc/passwd, /etc/group, or even MySQL or other kind of RDBMS. It just stores stuff. Active Directory, for example, provides Kerberos authentication, group policies, and other stuff and happens to use LDAP as the place to store the information. There are other server and client side pieces and parts that make up what is known as a whole as "Active Directory". > So, I often hear people suggest using LDAP when I ask these > multi-computer configuration and management issues, but now I'm asking: > have any of you actually implemented such a thing, and if so, please > tell me/us about it. So LDAP is primarily used in large configurations as a means for Single-Sign-On style authentication. Via PAM modules, Linux systems can authenticate against an LDAP server. That way, there's one place for your users and groups and you don't have to worry about keeping that in sync on multiple systems. This is particularly important when using a lot of shared storage via NFS and keeping file ownership and permissions straight. Like I said before, there are other things you can setup to use LDAP, such as AutoFS. In the past, I have setup OpenFire and Zimbra to get user information from an LDAP server. There have been a few web-based applications that I've setup as well. It all depends on if application X supports LDAP and for what it uses it for. To get your LDAP server up and running, there are plenty of howtos out there that will get you up and running. A word of warning, LDAP has a lot to it. It's easy to get overwhelmed with it and you should get some understanding of it before relying on it too heavily. On most Linux distributions these days, there is an easy way to setup your system to authenticate against an LDAP server. On Fedora/Red Hat-based systems, there is authconfig and authconfig-gtk. So to not provide more technical, howto-style info. There is enough of that out there already. So why did I stop using the setup? It was a pain and for the few systems I had, totally not worth it. I guess I did it as one of those do-it-to-see-what-it's-about projects. The OpenLDAP admin guide has a great list that can help answer the "When should I use LDAP" question. http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/intro.html#When should I use LDAP Daniel From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jan 24 21:59:24 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jan 24 21:59:41 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: , , , <9b6ae23d1001171811o3c9f3edbo49a986024da21ca0@mail.gmail.com>, , Message-ID: <4B5D171C.5030707@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1/19/2010 2:32 PM, Ryan Smith wrote: > > I think its important to point out that most PC users prefer G.U.I. > since DOS was unaesthetic. Some of us beginners are getting used to > being able to use "terminal" command line for doing some of our > stuff; but still like our GUI for other things. Could you imagine if > the internet was all CODE and we had to make sense of it? Not all > Linux users are going to program and develop we leave that to to the > people who are talented enough to lead innovation and thank those who > are brave enough to take the initiative to go it solo. Thanks for > lettin' my two cents fall into the cup! > Mutt isn't nearly as intimidating as one would make it out to be. In some cases when one receives a crapload of mail, like 50 or 60 mails a day, it's nice to have a more customizeable email client. Mutt may not be for you, but maybe you'll like it. It's meant to be driven from the keyboard, so it can be very powerful. It just depends on what you're comfortable with. I still use thunderbird, because I like some of the things it offers, and i'm too lazy to spend a day configuring mutt. Sometimes I wish I weren't so lazy :) David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJLXRcbAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObRcAL/A3aQXVUIojImnYsEbbV5a+2 PkQJnpksh9O49ObhMws9vvYsoSWWn25B+7neYGGUWkYhHg2uPSj4iYAAuXztxBSq mjlryFWRJHjcQ5inq4PPu/4Om1xjEvZ3mbMIPYjsCd1caEqapYY6g0I1gM+nRfcP Jj6gJkbsyb2TQPSEKwoUT9NLTcEp7nlZpDo6fKbfVNBElQbMaqfeaxLPO7a6W8Bt iSvEDKw7Dy90fOTSdBhqLoJHkK2djJ7/8nNyGRjyYnzf6o3QromLZjefZmVSLRvu XrT5LP4/AuDDAsA2qBuH75tfCaeu6awTKd/OE63kwT7kGXkvV4KzcoQCFTugGPJd M9ur9NtmVH09+7mzJ/z97d7vlXf7A7zRNeVVIfFYhNVIRmml5z6PDqnvF1ZTwCUy rsBlUlBMy+LTojSFyYweH+GKCj00vDu+VGLvGuNtLPnrHyLnQXN/waEBiPtMJXrr o9ovR2/Qhi+FhEsu5Zed70Hq/9w2WZ6wQ08DDGRbnw== =LpEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jan 24 23:13:04 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jan 24 23:13:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] SOHO LDAP In-Reply-To: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> References: <4B5CAA7B.3070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5D2860.2010503@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1/24/2010 2:15 PM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > Has anyone here implemented a multi-computer configuration using > LDAP? If so, I'd like to hear about it. I have yes. I've set up a windows domain controller running samba at work. LDAP backed, first using SMGL and second using Fedora and Xen. I took one box, virtualized it so I could have multiple "redundant" servers. (I know if the hardware fails I'm toast, but then we'd be toast anyway, at least with virtualized servers, I can update one box without risk of bringing down the entire authentication framework.) The virtualization worked out quite well, I could take the master LDAP server down for an update, and windows users could still authenticate, if not change their passwords. I set up nagios to monitor the various services I had running (on yet another virtual machine) so that I could look at a single picture for the health of my network. Which is good, because this wasn't my "primary responsibility." Being a software engineer the company didn't see that I should be given much time to set up the network, yet they expected it to be "secure." Maybe I have too lofty a definition of secure, but it involves log correlation and services monitoring. Takes time to set up, time I wasn't allowed, so I did the best I could with the time I had. (sorry, got into a rant. I could delete it from the email, but it helps describe the background as to why I did things the way I did.) I used the smbldap scripts to add and delete users http://linuxwiki.riverworth.com/index.php?title=LDAP_Authentication#Samba_Authentication I think has the relevant information. > I remember about 1999-2000, Novell was sellling a kind of LDAP > application that would do pretty much what the MS Active Directory does, > but with a more eclectic set of clients. I don't know what happened to > that: do any of you? > I think I heard that Red Hat might also have some kind of application > like that, and of course there is Active Directory, but that does > require MS computers > to run it, and I don't know how well it works with non-MS clients. Redhat's fedora equivalent is the Fedora Directory Server: http://directory.fedoraproject.org/ I haven't used it, but it's a package deal (or so it claims) I set up the ldap servers at work by hand, since I had set them up by hand in SourceMage and I was trying to reuse the configurations I had prior. That worked for the most part. I had about 6 or 7 users, and several things that they needed to authenticate against. Windows logins for one, backuppc, and a couple other services. With LDAP I was able to wrangle authentication against the LDAP server for just about everything. > I think Apple's OS X server uses some kind of LDAP directory, but, > being OS X Server, is rather expensive, and expected to run on a Mac. > A few years ago, I tried something that was called the "NetInfo Bridge", > which was an application that was designed to allow interoperability > between the OS X NetInfo, which is (or was?) some kind of quasi-LDAP > system, and LDAP, in this case Open LDAP, I think. I had compilation or > installation problems with my version of > OS X, which by then I think was not the latest, and I think the NetInfo > had changed some between the OS X releases. I messed with it for a > while, then went on to other things, as so often happens. > > So, I often hear people suggest using LDAP when I ask these > multi-computer configuration and management issues, but now I'm asking: > have any of you actually implemented such a thing, and if so, please > tell me/us about it. I have LDAP at home, but I need to rework it a bit. It's quite handy to set up the same user account on many systems. Same with groups. It can operate with single system groups as well. like I have a local account for the Wii to use for homebrew smb access. But it needs access to a group that's in LDAP. So I just add the wii user to that group in ldap. `getent group` shows correctly and accurately. It takes more planning and a bit more effort to configure, so it depends on what your exact situation is. If there are more specific questions regarding how I set thigns up or why I did it the way I did, I'll try to answer them. David Kowis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJLXShgAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObtcEL/jqscoBR899KoDbV1+rK74o9 WldQkDnx5atPoFFLbYC6nV2qKItu61qMc1X9eShFYVYl0heXpuaIlH3UbYBRTcay lntJUk5hqKkoUMGFHowIv0dRxlmaBTVpqArOg+aKwVZA4CXJy7ODrrllIiFPR6ac PpjpO1pgVKHNvzegvLWPZAQnt+New2mG2vYEUSxSnhHqNH38t+nNKJ7U5GDRIFsr KAHCA8ZRJG/cFJnlle4a2yLNvpMkpj/tIhF7bcMluAHIZNOK2Lr4VYFBgWhcNpIJ WbHYYbzGuZxtzNCDWm09VUwK2ur0lrAHVJ7wS9yBgio7wiJjDMONJZtiFJh0HlJt mncZl+NmxBrIR4w7/Pg28DV/ccE7mrdnQKV1DE0U6TPjbrHt8BIrss605VYWaUKV DSSRmUVSwff1ML2Z3fTvB84TQt7j1XeHsv9MK9kUWS2d1l4E9N5rNQPaYdBET1Ve HTIyCwyAvi+Wtano1LJU4zOaTMREs7Nivt/7VQG1TQ== =w+Ca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jan 26 18:30:16 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jan 26 18:30:32 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale Message-ID: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I have a pair of computers I need to relieve myself of. Two fully working computers lacking only a hard drive (the ones I was going to put in there failed.) Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz CPUs. Not dual core, two physical CPUs. They are hyper-threaded and so Linux sees 4 CPUs. I've had great performance from these babies. Ran Xen on them and had like 3 or 4 virtual machines crunching away. On a Tyan motherboard, I forget the precise model right now. No SATA ports :( Expansion cards are cheap though :) 4gb of ram in each, I think. Plenty to run 3 guest VMs with 1gb ram each. More than enough for a web-server or testing box. They come in a case with power supply and DVD/CD drive. The same power supply I used when I ran them, so I know it'll work. I could be convinced to part with them for $300 each. Send me an email if you're interested. Thanks for your time, David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJLX4kYAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob6IAMAJ7+p0p175dJj6lmKCjG7yjh aZuTfJGGuN11Jn4uE/5Uqg3GAUzE75eaSN8EJTxjWiStVFJ0Gy67rHs/coLT+aap Ldr5zStEfcjouQw+xRFwVkfaqXsTN2CSEOp31wpz57KEFgvyU/scN4jVs0y/CCxM 9+l/7u2u1Vm8239FntSzqSR48UM3GAdKgE+cfsFaytqCc2MA70zNUajRYIU1DUkY PNf1M8RTe1qQAh4VL6Duu8VQTwNOnc9me+E8/fENvY7KP1oJHyWfTymQiTRoIrCM Mcl1/97o7FDgrKJdv9uvTM9WFzERJPVjNlDlS0XJeQOPcJYBIzehJ1uhGxcQlyWh gKOXH8xFRICZnWwSkzyFBl6Tb0e+vdHAIi+MltuJITR34CwMSfp/huElVhhPjBg8 qiMWZMq8oRT58FYslR/GyqqwP7dnqKBgNukMRZjnYSCcqQtHm9N5M0LDboVlOX+N TiO6DMThtsuiq5CtbVIlMyXaFj27MhEcCNWkNPPU7g== =OZUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 20:10:10 2010 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Tue Jan 26 20:10:12 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I have a pair of computers I need to relieve myself of. > > Two fully working computers lacking only a hard drive (the ones I was > going to put in there failed.) > > Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz CPUs. Not dual core, two physical CPUs. They are > hyper-threaded and so Linux sees 4 CPUs. I've had great performance from > these babies. Ran Xen on them and had like 3 or 4 virtual machines > crunching away. > > On a Tyan motherboard, I forget the precise model right now. No SATA > ports :( Expansion cards are cheap though :) > would they take a IDE drive? :D also, are you in Austin or S.A? regards, esv. I am interested in one. From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jan 26 20:32:02 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jan 26 20:32:18 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1/26/2010 8:10 PM, Enrique Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a pair of computers I need to relieve myself of. >> >> Two fully working computers lacking only a hard drive (the ones I was >> going to put in there failed.) >> >> Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz CPUs. Not dual core, two physical CPUs. They are >> hyper-threaded and so Linux sees 4 CPUs. I've had great performance from >> these babies. Ran Xen on them and had like 3 or 4 virtual machines >> crunching away. >> >> On a Tyan motherboard, I forget the precise model right now. No SATA >> ports :( Expansion cards are cheap though :) >> > > would they take a IDE drive? :D Yes, it's got (what used to be) the standard 2 IDE controllers. > also, are you in Austin or S.A? San Antonio, just about Helotes. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJLX6WiAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObuN0MAJVlZPDmtWsY+tf1JH8JFEd8 lR+FrGOji7TpQ0ZJbPf/4UHVjPaIJ/KJHA3xMXFKb5cm4qY0RaepX7JcPziB+av6 cSe4Bedc57NThjNviv6WBDKeQCTMyJiGFiZT7396+5r9tboNLTkRPxFGfcaQqd05 1mEN/aUdGhOQud5RYIIy1qqpddOFaWbVhpftgByyUVs78H4sb6sALkxOM/clOLqM BvzLXPt9dp8PaSaN29z6PuyIVOn+bE0UYrFlJEtkQBJMRt3ZUss4uqH4uaxFSCsz bra4R/GwQt7F/ahFcIvBh2ynMlelbEsymLGqBrKXMC4BsIyzSYCNX7tc+PYcx+7M rJhM+tSG0WK4luLUMcxvj5T8FFKAbBH67lA06Ht71OgWfMDVqAZ8UZO43rgjO9qT Gs+VWFvt1G7LZYZFUk0twuNQehwhHb2bHtKRYcfnXX9hIyu/LBUkU1q1jZ5vuGjz Xi/tetawffCD0n0bWssSYRC1iewotU0Ejid8EHo/FQ== =KPwq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From morfic at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 22:03:50 2010 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:03:52 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> $300 for both? or each? I think you meant for both. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:32 PM, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 1/26/2010 8:10 PM, Enrique Sanchez wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Kowis wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a pair of computers I need to relieve myself of. >>> >>> Two fully working computers lacking only a hard drive (the ones I was >>> going to put in there failed.) >>> >>> Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz CPUs. Not dual core, two physical CPUs. They are >>> hyper-threaded and so Linux sees 4 CPUs. I've had great performance from >>> these babies. Ran Xen on them and had like 3 or 4 virtual machines >>> crunching away. >>> >>> On a Tyan motherboard, I forget the precise model right now. No SATA >>> ports :( Expansion cards are cheap though :) >>> >> >> would they take a IDE drive? :D > > Yes, it's got (what used to be) the standard 2 IDE controllers. > >> also, are you in Austin or S.A? > > San Antonio, just about Helotes. > > David > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > > iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJLX6WiAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObuN0MAJVlZPDmtWsY+tf1JH8JFEd8 > lR+FrGOji7TpQ0ZJbPf/4UHVjPaIJ/KJHA3xMXFKb5cm4qY0RaepX7JcPziB+av6 > cSe4Bedc57NThjNviv6WBDKeQCTMyJiGFiZT7396+5r9tboNLTkRPxFGfcaQqd05 > 1mEN/aUdGhOQud5RYIIy1qqpddOFaWbVhpftgByyUVs78H4sb6sALkxOM/clOLqM > BvzLXPt9dp8PaSaN29z6PuyIVOn+bE0UYrFlJEtkQBJMRt3ZUss4uqH4uaxFSCsz > bra4R/GwQt7F/ahFcIvBh2ynMlelbEsymLGqBrKXMC4BsIyzSYCNX7tc+PYcx+7M > rJhM+tSG0WK4luLUMcxvj5T8FFKAbBH67lA06Ht71OgWfMDVqAZ8UZO43rgjO9qT > Gs+VWFvt1G7LZYZFUk0twuNQehwhHb2bHtKRYcfnXX9hIyu/LBUkU1q1jZ5vuGjz > Xi/tetawffCD0n0bWssSYRC1iewotU0Ejid8EHo/FQ== > =KPwq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jan 26 22:12:05 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:12:18 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: question about TCP headers Message-ID: <1264565525.15854.15.camel@redpill-laptop> background: I am currently taking Kolars TCP/IP class at SAC and this question relates to a non-graded lab. references: class text - TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1: the protocols cira 1994 web reference png image illustrating the TCP header breakdown - http://freebie.fatpipe.org/~mjb/Drawings/TCP-Header.png question: the text notes that there are 6 reserved bits between the header length and the flags (page 225). The image noted above has shown 4 bits reserved between the length and the flags. 2 additional flags are added on the png file that are not listed in the book: C 0x80 Reduced (CWR) and E 0x40 ECN Echo (ECE). Which one is correct? I was shown this file by a classmate and I need to confirm its accuracy. Challenge: you will win my vote for uber geek of the year if you can give me the RFC's that may clarify this issue. Thanks Todd From jm at allensonthe.net Tue Jan 26 22:27:02 2010 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Tue Jan 26 22:27:29 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: question about TCP headers In-Reply-To: <1264565525.15854.15.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1264565525.15854.15.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:12, redpill wrote: > background: > I am currently taking Kolars TCP/IP class at SAC and this question > relates to a non-graded lab. > > references: > class text - TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1: the protocols cira 1994 > web reference png image illustrating the TCP header breakdown - > http://freebie.fatpipe.org/~mjb/Drawings/TCP-Header.png > > question: > the text notes that there are 6 reserved bits between the header length > and the flags (page 225). ?The image noted above has shown 4 bits > reserved between the length and the flags. ?2 additional flags are added > on the png file that are not listed in the book: C 0x80 Reduced (CWR) > and E 0x40 ECN Echo (ECE). ?Which one is correct? ?I was shown this file > by a classmate and I need to confirm its accuracy. > > Challenge: > you will win my vote for uber geek of the year if you can give me the > RFC's that may clarify this issue. > > > Thanks > Todd > RFC 793 is the original RFC for TCP. Viewing [1] shows at the top that RFC has been "updated" by RFCs 1122 [2] and 3168 [3]. The abstract of RFC3168 states: "This memo specifies the incorporation of ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) to TCP and IP, including ECN's use of two bits in the IP header." Given that 3168 was issue in September of 2001, that would explain why it isn't mentioned in the book. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793 [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1122 [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3168 -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jan 27 05:40:17 2010 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jan 27 05:40:19 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Daniel Goller wrote: > $300 for both? or each? > I think you meant for both. He said (and I quote) > I could be convinced to part with them for $300 each. Send me an email > if you're interested. > With no hard drives and no SATA support, for $300 each, that is. That's about where I skimmed over... It bears thought though... A pair of cpu's, hyper-threaded, and linux thinks there's 4 cpus w/4gig of RAM? Nice setup. It'd need a 1gig video card and 24-bit audio also, to go for $300 though. No offense, David, but what you are asking for those machines (each) is a bit more than the market would bear (especially in -these- economically troubling times!). If one looked around enough they could come up with something cheaper. In fact, this dual-core 2.8ghz machine w/2gig RAM I got for -FREE- helping a buddy clean out a server room for one of his clients. (mind you the room was 16x16 and was stacked from floor to ceiling with -crap- but in there was no less than 2-dozen machines... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 27 08:15:41 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 27 08:15:49 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: question about TCP headers In-Reply-To: References: <1264565525.15854.15.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1264601741.15854.52.camel@redpill-laptop> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 22:27 -0600, Jon Mark Allen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 22:12, redpill wrote: > > background: > > I am currently taking Kolars TCP/IP class at SAC and this question > > relates to a non-graded lab. > > > > references: > > class text - TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1: the protocols cira 1994 > > web reference png image illustrating the TCP header breakdown - > > http://freebie.fatpipe.org/~mjb/Drawings/TCP-Header.png > > > > question: > > the text notes that there are 6 reserved bits between the header length > > and the flags (page 225). The image noted above has shown 4 bits > > reserved between the length and the flags. 2 additional flags are added > > on the png file that are not listed in the book: C 0x80 Reduced (CWR) > > and E 0x40 ECN Echo (ECE). Which one is correct? I was shown this file > > by a classmate and I need to confirm its accuracy. > > > > Challenge: > > you will win my vote for uber geek of the year if you can give me the > > RFC's that may clarify this issue. > > > > > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > RFC 793 is the original RFC for TCP. Viewing [1] shows at the top > that RFC has been "updated" by RFCs 1122 [2] and 3168 [3]. The > abstract of RFC3168 states: > > "This memo specifies the incorporation of ECN (Explicit Congestion > Notification) to TCP and IP, including ECN's use of two bits in the IP > header." > > Given that 3168 was issue in September of 2001, that would explain why > it isn't mentioned in the book. > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793 > [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1122 > [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3168 > > -- > JM > > /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't > been much of a day. > -- John A. Wheeler */ thanks for the info. I was originally referring to to the faqs.org's copy of the RFC 793, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc793.html, which doesn't refer to the other updates. So not only did you give me the info that I needed but you pointed me to a better source for my RFC's. You win my vote for Uber Geek of the year:) The year is still very young so keep showing off that brain of yours. thanks Todd From jm at allensonthe.net Wed Jan 27 09:00:44 2010 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Wed Jan 27 09:01:07 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: question about TCP headers In-Reply-To: <1264601741.15854.52.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1264565525.15854.15.camel@redpill-laptop> <1264601741.15854.52.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:15, redpill wrote: > > thanks for the info. ?I was originally referring to to the faqs.org's > copy of the RFC 793, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc793.html, which doesn't > refer to the other updates. ?So not only did you give me the info that I > needed but you pointed me to a better source for my RFC's. ?You win my > vote for Uber Geek of the year:) ?The year is still very young so keep > showing off that brain of yours. > > thanks > Todd > Glad I could help. :-) -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jan 27 11:04:15 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jan 27 11:11:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B60720F.1040603@shlrm.org> On 1/27/2010 5:40 AM, Geoff wrote: > Daniel Goller wrote: >> $300 for both? or each? >> I think you meant for both. > > He said (and I quote) > >> I could be convinced to part with them for $300 each. Send me an email >> if you're interested. >> > > With no hard drives and no SATA support, for $300 each, that is. That's > about where I skimmed over... > > It bears thought though... A pair of cpu's, hyper-threaded, and linux > thinks there's 4 cpus w/4gig of RAM? Nice setup. > It'd need a 1gig video card and 24-bit audio also, to go for $300 though. > > No offense, David, but what you are asking for those machines (each) is > a bit more than the market would bear (especially in -these- > economically troubling times!). If one looked around enough they could > come up with something cheaper. In fact, this dual-core 2.8ghz machine > w/2gig RAM I got for -FREE- helping a buddy clean out a server room for > one of his clients. (mind you the room was 16x16 and was stacked from > floor to ceiling with -crap- but in there was no less than 2-dozen > machines... > I have heard no offers. I paid more than $500 each when I put them all together. I am not unwilling to negotiate. David From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jan 27 11:12:50 2010 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jan 27 11:20:01 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B60720F.1040603@shlrm.org> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B60720F.1040603@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4B607412.4020101@shlrm.org> On 1/27/2010 11:04 AM, David Kowis wrote: >>> I could be convinced to part with them for $300 each. Send me an email >>> if you're interested. >>> >> >> With no hard drives and no SATA support, for $300 each, that is. That's >> about where I skimmed over... >> >> It bears thought though... A pair of cpu's, hyper-threaded, and linux >> thinks there's 4 cpus w/4gig of RAM? Nice setup. >> It'd need a 1gig video card and 24-bit audio also, to go for $300 though. >> Searching newegg.com for a pile of stuff in the $300 - $400 range, I come up with computers mostly with a lower spec than I'm offering: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2032280010%204019&name=%24300%20-%20%24400 A re-certified HP is the only one that's dual cor that is close, and it's at $309. I don't think my prices are that unreasonable for the hardware I'm offering. But, as I've stated, I am not unwilling to negotiate. David From Channing.ML at channingc.com Wed Jan 27 13:29:32 2010 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Wed Jan 27 13:29:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] HP 3380 Message-ID: <4B60941C.9030900@channingc.com> Hello All, I have an HP 3380 that I pulled from a user here due to a paper feed issue. I'm cleaning house and don't have the time/inclination to fix it. The first person who can come by the office @ 1604 and Sontera can have it. Respond with your email address and I'll send you directions. Channing From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 27 13:46:28 2010 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jan 27 13:46:30 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Message-ID: <3i51m59qukndo32set64vnntt2teahr5k9@4ax.com> For those not glued to engadget and others: Apple announces iPad starting at $499. (Goodbye Kindle) Basically a big version of the iPod Touch. Won't replace the iPhone. ETA 60 days. --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 14:02:22 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jan 27 14:03:33 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Message-ID: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I hate Apple and can't WAIT to buy one...! Will probably buy 2... ------Original Message------ From: Don Wright Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org To: xcssa@xcssa.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Sent: Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM For those not glued to engadget and others: Apple announces iPad starting at $499. (Goodbye Kindle) Basically a big version of the iPod Touch. Won't replace the iPhone. ETA 60 days. --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 16:22:38 2010 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Wed Jan 27 16:22:41 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1247a04a1001271422o6b072addk8323a5de26675a8c@mail.gmail.com> and goodbye Nook too. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > I hate Apple and can't WAIT to buy one...! Will probably buy 2... > > ------Original Message------ > From: Don Wright > Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > To: satlug@satlug.org > To: xcssa@xcssa.org > ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad > Sent: Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM > > For those not glued to engadget and others: > Apple announces iPad starting at $499. (Goodbye Kindle) > > Basically a big version of the iPod Touch. Won't replace the iPhone. > > ETA 60 days. ?--Don > > -- > Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of > getting drunk. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ From rghetzel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 27 17:32:43 2010 From: rghetzel at sbcglobal.net (Dick H) Date: Wed Jan 27 17:32:54 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] HP 3380 In-Reply-To: <4B60941C.9030900@channingc.com> References: <4B60941C.9030900@channingc.com> Message-ID: <4B60CD1B.6080407@sbcglobal.net> Well, if no one had tossed their name into the hat.... I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Dick H. On 1/27/2010 1:29 PM, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I have an HP 3380 that I pulled from a user here due to a paper feed > issue. I'm cleaning house and don't have the time/inclination to fix > it. The first person who can come by the office @ 1604 and Sontera > can have it. > > Respond with your email address and I'll send you directions. > > Channing > From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 17:37:08 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Jan 27 17:37:15 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> On 1/27/10 2:02 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > I hate Apple and can't WAIT to buy one...! Will probably buy 2... > Yawn. It'll probably sell like hotcakes, but it's really not all that revolutionary. An iPod Touch with a bigger screen and iWork. Where is the 'there' in that? 'Blazing fast' A4, but it doesn't multitask. Just a big toy. Moving on to something more interesting. ~Nate From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Jan 27 18:16:32 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:16:40 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FFE2388-956A-4623-9138-BE3A315358C3@rugmonster.org> On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Nate wrote: > Yawn. It'll probably sell like hotcakes, but it's really not all > that revolutionary. An iPod Touch with a bigger screen and iWork. > Where is the 'there' in that? 'Blazing fast' A4, but it doesn't > multitask. Just a big toy. I thought the same thing about the Kindle. What is going to make it something are going to be the apps written for it specifically and the iBook store. It's at the same price point as the Kindle DX and will give a much richer experience to anything the Kindle will ever have. I don't see myself buying one, but I can see the appeal. From morfic at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:23:52 2010 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:23:55 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <13bb8ce11001271623r50e14efaw7a2b2736147af09e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Geoff wrote: > Daniel Goller wrote: >> $300 for both? or each? >> I think you meant for both. > > He said (and I quote) > >> I could be convinced to part with them for $300 each. Send me an email >> if you're interested. >> > I knew what he wrote, i was facetious. > It bears thought though... A pair of cpu's, hyper-threaded, and linux > thinks there's 4 cpus w/4gig of RAM? ?Nice setup. Considering a dual core with HT to be "4 CPUs/Cores" is a stretch. (especially considering you could build a quad core with 4 gig for $300) > It'd need a 1gig video card and 24-bit audio also, to go for $300 though. > So we agree. :) From morfic at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:28:42 2010 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:28:45 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Two Computers for sale In-Reply-To: <4B60720F.1040603@shlrm.org> References: <4B5F8918.4050701@shlrm.org> <1247a04a1001261810q316e7151n55d86f0f37b08eef@mail.gmail.com> <4B5FA5A2.5050104@shlrm.org> <13bb8ce11001262003r55f389cch2a72fb6e34d01b6f@mail.gmail.com> <4B602621.3030707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4B60720F.1040603@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <13bb8ce11001271628u24d92f9ft78e3aef62edf809e@mail.gmail.com> > > I have heard no offers. I paid more than $500 each when I put them all > together. > As prices go quick on computers, what the initial cost was is not as interesting as the current cost. And offering the hardware at a fair percentage of the current cost, considering it is sold AS IS. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:34:28 2010 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:34:32 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> Nate wrote: > On 1/27/10 2:02 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> I hate Apple and can't WAIT to buy one...! Will probably buy 2... >> > Yawn. It'll probably sell like hotcakes, but it's really not all that > revolutionary. An iPod Touch with a bigger screen and iWork. Where is > the 'there' in that? 'Blazing fast' A4, but it doesn't multitask. Just a > big toy. > > Moving on to something more interesting. From what I see it is basically a read only device. You can't do substantial input without a tactile keyboard. You use your fingers for a mouse, but one of the advantages of a mouse is that you can pick it up and move it without moving the cursor. Moving your whole arm all the time will get tiring fast. It does have Bluetooth keyboard support, but if you have to carry around a keyboard too, how is this better than a laptop? And a 9.7 inch display at 1024x768? My 6 year old laptop has a 12 inch 1600x1200 display. It is light weight at 1.6 pounds (without keyboard). After the newness wears off, I think that it will fade to toy status. -- Bruce From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 18:41:44 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:42:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Message-ID: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Negative fellas... The iGetMyMoney service and the Kindle take-my-book-back service are the biggest drawbacks to those two devices... Being able to read my thousands of existing eBooks on a 10 inch screen, with far less heat and whirring fans that a laptop, and no annoying laptop keyboard unless I set at a desk and plug one in... THAT'S the appeal. And hardly no weight, either? It IS a big deal new device! And fellas, I really HATE STEVE JOBS. He's spent his life coming up with mega-super-duper-fantastic ideas, and finding mega-super-duper-fantastic ways to insultingly over charge and recharge and lock down each of them is a way I feel can only best be described as cruel! It isn't new, Nate, the HP 1100 did it back in 2001(ish)... But this now has a much more responsive multi-touch screen with Apple's consumer whiz-bang appeal. Lighter weight, undoubtedly a Li-po or Lion battery, and a well-thought-out on-screen keyboard. What I REALLY can't wait for, is HPs Slate. But, in my experience, the Apple interface should work a lot smoother and more "appliancy" than a Windows offering. I think I want the iPad with Chrome on it... And what it is missing that actually bums me out, is phone. I use Bluetooth or speakerphone for 90% of my calls anyway. You wanna change the way I do business, make this thing a phone. Make it a detachable super-simple phone that has no real screen unless connected, have it nest inside the end/back of the tablet... Or just give it Bluetooth and speakerphone capability with an optional detached daughter-phone that uses bluetooth to access it's cellular radio on the main device. And STOP putting so much effort into THIN!!! They have been thin enough since .99 inches! I want the space back, filled with Lipo and some rubber-baby-buggy-bumper... But as long as I can read PDF's and load a real browser (Safari is acceptable, barely) I still want to buy one. NOW. kc ------Original Message------ From: Daniel J. Givens Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Sent: Jan 27, 2010 6:16 PM On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Nate wrote: > Yawn. It'll probably sell like hotcakes, but it's really not all > that revolutionary. An iPod Touch with a bigger screen and iWork. > Where is the 'there' in that? 'Blazing fast' A4, but it doesn't > multitask. Just a big toy. I thought the same thing about the Kindle. What is going to make it something are going to be the apps written for it specifically and the iBook store. It's at the same price point as the Kindle DX and will give a much richer experience to anything the Kindle will ever have. I don't see myself buying one, but I can see the appeal. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 18:47:12 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jan 27 18:47:40 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com><4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My lady would like me reading the web or eBooks in the bedroom everynight instead of the man-cave. This will enable that ability where a laptop with a big keyboard, no touchscreen and a hot/loud fan have failed me... If we all hate Apple so much, then fine, give me an HP Slate, but the form-factor is light-years overdue and utterly game-changing. (I probably also have to remind you that our stupid users and their whiz-bang new ideas generate our salaries, my fellow geeks...! ) This thing IS cool. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dubbs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:34:28 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad Nate wrote: > On 1/27/10 2:02 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: >> I hate Apple and can't WAIT to buy one...! Will probably buy 2... >> > Yawn. It'll probably sell like hotcakes, but it's really not all that > revolutionary. An iPod Touch with a bigger screen and iWork. Where is > the 'there' in that? 'Blazing fast' A4, but it doesn't multitask. Just a > big toy. > > Moving on to something more interesting. From what I see it is basically a read only device. You can't do substantial input without a tactile keyboard. You use your fingers for a mouse, but one of the advantages of a mouse is that you can pick it up and move it without moving the cursor. Moving your whole arm all the time will get tiring fast. It does have Bluetooth keyboard support, but if you have to carry around a keyboard too, how is this better than a laptop? And a 9.7 inch display at 1024x768? My 6 year old laptop has a 12 inch 1600x1200 display. It is light weight at 1.6 pounds (without keyboard). After the newness wears off, I think that it will fade to toy status. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jan 27 19:08:07 2010 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jan 27 19:08:14 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com><4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> yeah it looks nice but if you really want to impress me Jobs give me e-paper ala Caprica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4P6Z_Q_NM Todd From the.dead.dude at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 19:29:24 2010 From: the.dead.dude at gmail.com (Justin) Date: Wed Jan 27 19:29:48 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com> <4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <487672101001271729h998d078n2e6093bf67565a9e@mail.gmail.com> I think that iPad is kind of neat. It has it's uses, but it's pretty much just a larger ipod touch. I'm glad it's priced at $500 and not $700+. Something like surfing the web in bed would be good with this ipad thing. Otherwise, showing pictures to people around you. That's a neat thing that can be done but I think most people still prefer flipping through a photo album. Reading books? I guess we'll have to see what they actually charge for books from their iBookstore place. I'd still prefer a hard-copy of the book either purchased or rented for free from the library. Movies? Well I guess if you travel a lot instead of watching movies on your iphone you can watch them on your ipad. Email? It looks like it handles that about as good as a netbook would. I mean the ipad looks good for email except you have to type with the touch screen. What else is there? Music? Well an ipod already does that better since it fits in your pocket. It looks like it's got Keynote, Pages, and Numbers, which is the apple version of an office suite. Actually each of them are available as separate apps, so who knows how much extra those would be. I just can't see typing up any long office documents with that touchpad keyboard. It looks like you can hook up an external keyboard, but then once you do that it basically turns the ipad into a dumbed down laptop. I think that's about it. I like it, and I'd probably buy one if it was <$100. There's just not much use with it for me. -Justin From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 20:22:36 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Jan 27 20:22:39 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B60F4EC.2060309@gmail.com> On 1/27/10 6:41 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > But as long as I can read PDF's and load a real browser (Safari is acceptable, barely) I still want to buy one. > You're still staring at a LED backlight with this thing. If I want to read on an LCD, I'll read on my laptop. I was a HUGE fan of the Newton. This is not a proper successor. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 20:25:17 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Jan 27 20:25:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com><4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4B60F58D.5030003@gmail.com> On 1/27/10 7:08 PM, redpill wrote: > yeah it looks nice but if you really want to impress me Jobs give me > e-paper ala Caprica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4P6Z_Q_NM > +1 on this. I would much rather see color e-paper than another LCD device. And how is this "utterly game changing?" Tablets have been around for a while. It's just a big iPod Touch. ~Nate "The hate" From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Jan 27 20:46:41 2010 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Jan 27 20:46:15 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60F58D.5030003@gmail.com> References: <1685919540-1264622566-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-666146876-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B60CE24.3070106@gmail.com><4B60DB94.60603@gmail.com> <1809529816-1264639656-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1426996320-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1264640887.8003.5.camel@redpill-laptop> <4B60F58D.5030003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B60FA91.6020109@rugmonster.org> On 1/27/2010 8:25 PM, Nate wrote: > On 1/27/10 7:08 PM, redpill wrote: >> yeah it looks nice but if you really want to impress me Jobs give me >> e-paper ala Caprica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4P6Z_Q_NM > > +1 on this. I would much rather see color e-paper than another LCD device. > > And how is this "utterly game changing?" Tablets have been around for a > while. It's just a big iPod Touch. Tablets that came before were laptops with swivel screens. They were heavy and bulky by comparison. There wasn't ever an OS that was tailored to being a tablet like this blown up iPod Touch. And as an iPhone owner, I can say that while the web experience is better than other mobile devices, it doesn't match what even my netbook can provide. The screen is just too small. Reading ebooks on it also sucks. If nothing else, I would say the iPad will fill the gap between iPhone/iPod Touch and laptop. Their major flaw is the lacking of multitasking. That is utter fail. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 21:27:01 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Wed Jan 27 21:27:02 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60F4EC.2060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <477835.88394.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Nate wrote: > From: Nate > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:22 PM > On 1/27/10 6:41 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com > wrote: > > But as long as I can read PDF's and load a real > browser (Safari is acceptable, barely) I still want to buy > one. > >? ? > > You're still staring at a LED backlight with this thing. If > I want to read on an LCD, I'll read on my laptop. > > I was a HUGE fan of the Newton. This is not a proper > successor. > > > ~Nate > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Wow! Nate! Something we disagree on, finally! :-p From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 21:28:36 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Wed Jan 27 21:28:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60F58D.5030003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <657175.82028.qm@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Nate wrote: > From: Nate > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:25 PM > On 1/27/10 7:08 PM, redpill wrote: > > yeah it looks nice but if you really want to impress > me Jobs give me > > e-paper ala Caprica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4P6Z_Q_NM > >? ? > > +1 on this. I would much rather see color e-paper than > another LCD device. > > And how is this "utterly game changing?" Tablets have been > around for a while. It's just a big iPod Touch. > > > > ~Nate "The hate" > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I don't call something the size of a laptop that has a clunky fold around screen a tablet.... that's a clunky laptop with a fold around screen. That's what makes this game changing, utterly*... From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 21:39:26 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Wed Jan 27 21:39:28 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B60FA91.6020109@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <464650.97608.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > From: Daniel J. Givens > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:46 PM > On 1/27/2010 8:25 PM, Nate wrote: > > On 1/27/10 7:08 PM, redpill wrote: > >> yeah it looks nice but if you really want to > impress me Jobs give me > >> e-paper ala Caprica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4P6Z_Q_NM > > > > +1 on this. I would much rather see color e-paper than > another LCD device. > > > > And how is this "utterly game changing?" Tablets have > been around for a > > while. It's just a big iPod Touch. > > Tablets that came before were laptops with swivel screens. > They were heavy and bulky by comparison. There wasn't ever > an OS that was tailored to being a tablet like this blown up > iPod Touch. > > And as an iPhone owner, I can say that while the web > experience is better than other mobile devices, it doesn't > match what even my netbook can provide. The screen is just > too small. Reading ebooks on it also sucks. If nothing else, > I would say the iPad will fill the gap between iPhone/iPod > Touch and laptop. > > Their major flaw is the lacking of multitasking. That is > utter fail. > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Oooo... I hadn't caught that multitasking part... -1 but the score is like in the 20's somewhere... still a big "Buy" rating for me. I can only read one eBook at a time. Can it have a browser and PDF open at once? That's all I need... maybe an MP3 as well... Oh, and I have ZERO intention of buying a book from Steve. I'm reading TLDP docs and Project Gutenberg stuff... If I can't load a non-Steve book reader for .PDFs .djvu .txt .whatever else.. then THAT'S the great Steve Job's fa@@0+ a$$ catch I didn't see... but I don't think it's the case... either way... the Slate-style computer for light computing is what I've been waiting for since the hp - TC 1100 ALMOST did it for me... If there's a reason to not buy the iPad, I'm still buying the Slate. You fuddy duddies... if I weren't a hetero, woman-lovin', garage-full-of-man-tools, son of a Jack-of-All-Trades, I'd call you stubborn sissies cutie pies! :-P That's a big fat tongue out...! hee hee Lighten up fellas, geez! Take Jobs idea and JAILBEAK it! Hack it, or something! Don't just clam up and harumph it... that's just silly... From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 22:11:19 2010 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Jan 27 22:11:23 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <464650.97608.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <464650.97608.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B610E67.9050007@gmail.com> On 1/27/10 9:39 PM, KC wrote: > Lighten up fellas, geez! Take Jobs idea and JAILBEAK it! Hack it, or something! Don't just clam up and harumph it... that's just silly.. Sorry, man. After all the build up in the media, the looong wait (5 years in the making?) and potential in Cupertino, the iPad is just limp. I was expecting a device with more laptop-like functionality with a tablet/multi-touch user experience. I already find the iPod Touch limiting. Giving it a bigger screen isn't the killer feature I was waiting for. Besides, all my geek lust is going out to Palm right now. I am waiting for the Pre to show up at AT&T. Then the iPod Toy goes to the kid. ~Nate From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 23:13:35 2010 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Wed Jan 27 23:13:37 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <4B610E67.9050007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <415217.78296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Nate wrote: > From: Nate > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 10:11 PM > On 1/27/10 9:39 PM, KC wrote: > > Lighten up fellas, geez! Take Jobs idea and JAILBEAK > it! Hack it, or something! Don't just clam up and harumph > it... that's just silly.. > > Sorry, man. After all the build up in the media, the looong > wait (5 years in the making?) and potential in Cupertino, > the iPad is just limp. I was expecting a device with more > laptop-like functionality with a tablet/multi-touch user > experience. I already find the iPod Touch limiting. Giving > it a bigger screen isn't the killer feature I was waiting > for. > > Besides, all my geek lust is going out to Palm right now. I > am waiting for the Pre to show up at AT&T. Then the iPod > Toy goes to the kid. > > > ~Nate > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Ehh...? I totally missed the build-up in the media... I don't know... I just spent the last hour + looking at the TC 1100s on eBay again... a year and a half ago I bought my IBM T42 with the DX9 card and 1440x1050 screen... the TC 1100 was my second choice... it was a TOUGH decision. I think I had heard that the screen ONLY responds to the special stylus. THAT'S what sent me back to a traditional laptop one last time... or at least made be Buy-It-Now on the T42 and just go to BED after HOURS of anguishing! Heh... Does anyone know if the TC 1100 screen works (single touch, I am sure) with a finger? If it does, I may offer my T42 on the list and get a TC 1100. Those things were LOADED for such a compact size... I wish they had a PCMCIA slot though... I'd like to see Compiz on one... there was this cool You-Tube video... lemme find it... Here it is! Cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk&feature=related Either way, I crack a TC 1100 open and tack my BT 2.1 adapter on in place of what is surely a BT 1.1-ish device... swap the platters for an SSD... and maybe desolder the external VGA and slip a SD-Reader in its place... ...or I come back from eBay with THIS little number... http://shop.ebay.com/330398153043 How's THIS guys? Better than buying an Apple...? hmmm..... From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jan 27 23:36:05 2010 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jan 27 23:36:13 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <201001272336.05921.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 27 January 2010 06:41:44 pm kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: [...] > And hardly no weight, either? It IS a big deal new device! And fellas, I > really HATE STEVE JOBS. He's spent his life coming up with > mega-super-duper-fantastic ideas, and finding mega-super-duper-fantastic > ways to insultingly over charge and recharge and lock down each of them is > a way I feel can only best be described as cruel! Heh.. Woz was the smart one.. Steve is just a slick cheerleader/marketer. ;) Now days he's selling image and flash more than innovation. I got a kick out of the ORIGINAL iPad from three years ago: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Apple-iPad-MadTV-MaxiPad,9523.html hehe Tweeks From e at then7.com Wed Jan 27 15:25:40 2010 From: e at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jan 28 02:20:59 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] partial height, enclosed server rack, free Message-ID: Free to good home. It has a front door with glass, and ventilation fans in rear of chassis. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ESSie_XztgKvF8R_SErEEw?feat=directlink I'm near ACS at Bandera and Eckert. It needs to be gone today or tomorrow. Thanks, Eli From e at then7.com Wed Jan 27 17:43:14 2010 From: e at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jan 28 03:03:27 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: partial height, enclosed server rack, free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Eli Cantu wrote: > Free to good home. It has a front door with glass, and ventilation fans > in rear of chassis. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ESSie_XztgKvF8R_SErEEw?feat=directlink > > I'm near ACS at Bandera and Eckert. It needs to be gone today or > tomorrow. > > Thanks, > Eli > > > Forgot my cell. 210 dash 373 dash 6017. Thanks, eli From Channing.ML at channingc.com Thu Jan 28 09:13:31 2010 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Thu Jan 28 09:13:36 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] HP 3380 In-Reply-To: <4B60CD1B.6080407@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B60941C.9030900@channingc.com> <4B60CD1B.6080407@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4B61A99B.9010709@channingc.com> The printer has been spoken for. Y'all have a great (and safe) weekend! Channing Dick H wrote: > Well, if no one had tossed their name into the hat.... I'd appreciate it. > Thanks, > Dick H. > > On 1/27/2010 1:29 PM, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> I have an HP 3380 that I pulled from a user here due to a paper feed >> issue. I'm cleaning house and don't have the time/inclination to fix >> it. The first person who can come by the office @ 1604 and Sontera >> can have it. >> >> Respond with your email address and I'll send you directions. >> >> Channing >> From e at then7.com Thu Jan 28 09:39:35 2010 From: e at then7.com (Eli Cantu) Date: Thu Jan 28 09:39:38 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] re: server rack was claimed Message-ID: Server rack has been claimed. Thanks, Eli From swayneswayne at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 11:47:21 2010 From: swayneswayne at gmail.com (swayne swayne) Date: Fri Jan 29 11:47:47 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] Apple announces iPad In-Reply-To: <201001272336.05921.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <398553839-1264639329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1008932240-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <201001272336.05921.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: apple makes allot overpriced junk but this tops it off my 290$ eeepc beats the crap out of it just because it can open to applications at once and has flash On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Tweeks wrote: > On Wednesday 27 January 2010 06:41:44 pm kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > [...] > > And hardly no weight, either? It IS a big deal new device! And fellas, I > > really HATE STEVE JOBS. He's spent his life coming up with > > mega-super-duper-fantastic ideas, and finding mega-super-duper-fantastic > > ways to insultingly over charge and recharge and lock down each of them > is > > a way I feel can only best be described as cruel! > > Heh.. Woz was the smart one.. Steve is just a slick cheerleader/marketer. > ;) > Now days he's selling image and flash more than innovation. > > I got a kick out of the ORIGINAL iPad from three years ago: > > http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Apple-iPad-MadTV-MaxiPad,9523.html > > hehe > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Sat Jan 30 21:08:27 2010 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sat Jan 30 21:08:29 2010 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Att.. Jeremy M Message-ID: <4B64F42B.5050401@lookcee.com> Jeremy, I guess you're not getting my 'offlist" emails concerning the disposition of the parts I shipped in the failed (but effort appreciated) attempt to fix Cheryl's computer. Since you couldn't fix it, and don' t need the parts I provided for it, I sure could use those parts back. Thanx! Hope to hear from you soon. Herb