From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 04:15:28 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 1 04:15:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thanks Jeremy for coming out Message-ID: <7e4994a70909010215l7850ae56r1a7fe36e3f2934e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for coming out Jeremy and checking out my system. I really appreciate it very much. At least I know it's nothing that I did incorrectly that's making it not work. Looks like ECS is having a mobo failure problem with these boatds since Herb now has 1 or 2 more doing the same thing as mine...We'll get her done though! Thanks again cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 04:21:23 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 1 04:21:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HP 710 all in one inkjet Message-ID: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, we got this printer from David onlist. It's a serial printer I believe, an older one that Mom will run on Hardy if we can ever get it to work. We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with no luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for it to work? I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print out anything to try on her system. thanks cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 07:45:18 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Sep 1 07:45:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Where to buy 1U and 2U racks? In-Reply-To: <4A9C5C64.8030004@momentumweb.com> References: <4A9C5C64.8030004@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:27 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > Does anybody have any suggestions as to the best place to buy 1U or 2U rack > cases and/or pre-built rack systems here in San Antonio? ?I have only tried > Altex ?at this point but I found that their selection is very limited. > > David I would try PC Wholesale on Isom Rd. near US281. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:06:01 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:06:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> I'm sorry the printer is "parallel". and has NO connection for a USB cable. c Hi, we got this printer from David onlist. It's a serial printer I believe, > an older one that Mom will run on Hardy if we can ever get it to work. > > We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with no > luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or > something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for it > to work? > > I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so > can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print out > anything to try on her system. > > thanks cheryl > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From youcanlinux at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:30:17 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:30:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - HP 710 all in one inkjet Message-ID: Do an internet search for "HP 710" and download the manuals. I recommend cleaning the printheads with a lightly-dampened coffee-filter . If you have more questions, please email me off-list. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with no > luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or > something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for it > to work? > > I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so > can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print out > anything to try on her system. > > thanks cheryl > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:38:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:38:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e4994a70909010638v4355be17r34263610701c32ce@mail.gmail.com> I guess this means it won't work in Linux since it is now listed as off topic. Will try getting a parallel to USB cable to try it that way. I have no way to download or print anything since I can only do email.c On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > Do an internet search for "HP 710" and download the manuals. I recommend > cleaning the printheads with a lightly-dampened coffee-filter . If you have > more questions, please email me off-list. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with >> no >> luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or >> something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for it >> to work? >> >> I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so >> can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print out >> anything to try on her system. >> >> thanks cheryl >> >> -- >> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the >> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little >> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June >> 2008; >> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From youcanlinux at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:43:37 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:43:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] slackware 13.0 backup USB stick partitioning Message-ID: I did an 'fdisk -l" on the USB stick backup and it didn't use standard GNU/Linux partitioning. In fact, it mounted as vfat. It shows 4.8M being used on the first partition. I'm very amazed at this distro, unlike anything else I've tried. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > Just Google for your distribution and usb stick and find out how to do > this > > for whatever you are using. And 8gb is huge for that :) > > I concur, somewhere I used to have a slack USB install that fits on a 512 > MB > stick, and one could probably get that down to 128 for a pared-down version > for rescue purposes. I think the entire distro is smaller than 8GB. > > -b. > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:46:44 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:46:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] slackware 13.0 backup USB stick partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0909010646o5c1b381dh5bcd861dec734641@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > I did an 'fdisk -l" on the USB stick backup and it didn't use standard > GNU/Linux partitioning. In fact, it mounted as vfat. It shows 4.8M being > used on the first partition. I'm very amazed at this distro, unlike anything > else I've tried. Daniel, Slackware has its own appeal since its pretty much a basic system. The USB bootloader has been around since version 11. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From youcanlinux at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:51:07 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Tue Sep 1 08:51:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909010638v4355be17r34263610701c32ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010638v4355be17r34263610701c32ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I listed it as off-topic because leaving an inkjet printer alone for months at a time is a hardware issue, not a software issue. My Officejets function wonderfully under GNU/Linux. HP supports their printers in GNU/Linux, HP supports Open Source, please see http://hplipopensource.com/node/296 If you look closely, I did offer to discuss this further off-list, insomuch as this is not a software issue. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I guess this means it won't work in Linux since it is now listed as off > topic. > > Will try getting a parallel to USB cable to try it that way. I have no way > to download or print anything since I can only do email.c > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Daniel Villarreal >wrote: > > > Do an internet search for "HP 710" and download the manuals. I recommend > > cleaning the printheads with a lightly-dampened coffee-filter . If you > have > > more questions, please email me off-list. > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Cheryl Holmes >wrote: > > > >> We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with > >> no > >> luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or > >> something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for > it > >> to work? > >> > >> I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so > >> can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print > out > >> anything to try on her system. > >> > >> thanks cheryl > >> > >> -- > >> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > >> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > >> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > >> 2008; > >> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 09:04:24 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Sep 1 09:04:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909010638v4355be17r34263610701c32ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774075.1173.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> or go to thrift town and pick up a used usb printer for cheap. you can test them there. bring your own paper and print a test page. I don't use old technology printers with linux because sometimes the hassle to get it working and the upkeep isn't worth the effort. Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I guess this means it won't work in Linux since it is now listed as off > topic. > Will try getting a parallel to USB cable to try it that way. I have no way > to download or print anything since I can only do email.c > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: >> Do an internet search for "HP 710" and download the manuals. I recommend >> cleaning the printheads with a lightly-dampened coffee-filter . If you have >> more questions, please email me off-list. >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >>> We put new cartridges in it and have tried several times for months with >>> no >>> luck. Is there some trick we need to do with the printer itself or >>> something to get it to work? Does the date and time have to be set for it >>> to work? >>> >>> I haven't had a system I could do anything with for a long time now, so >>> can't print out stuff or handle pdf stuff on this ...so I can't print out >>> anything to try on her system. >>> >>> thanks cheryl >>> >>> -- >>> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the >>> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little >>> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June >>> 2008; >>> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> >> > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gmgrie70 at hctc.net Tue Sep 1 11:29:07 2009 From: gmgrie70 at hctc.net (g) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:33:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Dell Power Edge 2550 In-Reply-To: <20090901133840.2E5AE43F0FF@satlug.org> References: <20090901133840.2E5AE43F0FF@satlug.org> Message-ID: <4A9D4BD3.7030908@hctc.net> I purchased a Dell Power Edge 2550 at Saturdays computer show from a fellow with a Satlug shirt on, I think it might have been Borris, he was older than me (I am 61). At any rate, I was too smart by half in that I said I would purchase the server if it had all 18gb scsi drives, so he switched drives with another server sitting under the one I bought. However, when I got home, I found only one of the drives was a 18gb, the rest were 9gb. I have not installed anything on the server, but if anyone reads this and still has the other one, I would like to somehow aquire the other drives , even if I have to buy the other server. I have to go to the SA EOC tonight for an ARES meeting, so I will be in SA if anyone can contact me via this email address. Thanks, George W5GRG, AFA6GG --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090831-0, 08/31/2009 Tested on: 9/1/09 11:29:09 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 11:39:36 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:39:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I'm sorry the printer is "parallel". and has NO connection for a USB cable. I recently had the same problem. There is a cable you can buy which is parallel to usb. Cables Unlimited 6-Foot USB-to-Parallel Printer Adapter Cable http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=471 Worked nicely for me, but when we had a bunch of power problems, it failed and I had to get a 2nd one. Put the printer on a UPS to prevent that. I would have preferred a longer cable, but a usb extension worked. -- Bruce From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 13:06:20 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Sep 1 13:13:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE 4.3.1 and Opera 10.0 final were both released today Message-ID: <200909011306.20794.jdchoate@gmail.com> For the Opera users, the qt3 version is available on http://www.opera.com and the qt4 version is at their ftp: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1000/final/en/ Also, KDE 4.3.1 is out and several pesky, stupid bugs are fixed including setting opacity for specific windows, shading windows while using compositing, and many, many bug fixes for kmail. So check your update repositories or get the source and compile away. http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_3_0to4_3_1.php From hc at lookcee.com Tue Sep 1 17:16:03 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Sep 1 17:16:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: BIOS chip source Message-ID: <4A9D9D23.4050800@lookcee.com> This may be premature but I have hit what I believe to be a BIOS chip failure with 2 of 3 Mobos from ECS that I bought earlier this year and the 2 are displaying the same prob lack of display the board runs but nada... P/S boots, fans run but no splash screen and replacing the built in Video did not help. Please tell me if I am on wrong path but this appears to indicate a failure in powering the BIOS to run the POST since video is first device to be considered in the list for POST. Resetting the defaults by the battery jumper does not help. I searched and found this BIOS supplier company. They were fast in responding to my questions and were flat on the ball in correcting my order since I screwed up and ordered the incorrect revision of the programming they caught the error and corrected and shipped all in 24hrs. Because they paid attention and questioned which version I wanted I was spared the confusions of getting the incorrectly flashed chip and having to go tru the flashing that always makes me a nervous wreck. I am pleased to recommend them to those of you who dig the hardware side of this mess of magic, LOL biosdepot1@gmail.com http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bios-Depot__W0QQ_armrsZ1 "Hi, It was programmed with ECS945G-M3 (3.1)Viiv as you specified and was put in the mail earlier. Thanks again, Lister" If this works out then we can also prolly get Cheryl's problem solved. Cross some fingers for me please. herb ** From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 22:39:01 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Sep 1 22:39:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: BIOS chip source In-Reply-To: <4A9D9D23.4050800@lookcee.com> References: <4A9D9D23.4050800@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/09, Herb Cee wrote: > This may be premature but I have hit what I believe to be a BIOS chip > failure with 2 of 3 Mobos from ECS that I bought earlier this year and the 2 > are displaying the same prob lack of display the board runs but nada... P/S > boots, fans run but no splash screen and replacing the built in Video did > not help. > > Please tell me if I am on wrong path but this appears to indicate a failure > in powering the BIOS to run the POST since video is first device to be > considered in the list for POST. Resetting the defaults by the battery > jumper does not help. I searched and found this BIOS supplier company. They > were fast in responding to my questions and were flat on the ball in > correcting my order since I screwed up and ordered the incorrect revision of > the programming they caught the error and corrected and shipped all in > 24hrs. > > Because they paid attention and questioned which version I wanted I was > spared the confusions of getting the incorrectly flashed chip and having to > go tru the flashing that always makes me a nervous wreck. I am pleased to > recommend them to those of you who dig the hardware side of this mess of > magic, LOL > > biosdepot1@gmail.com > http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bios-Depot__W0QQ_armrsZ1 > > "Hi, It was programmed with ECS945G-M3 (3.1)Viiv as you specified and was > put in the mail earlier. Thanks again, Lister" > > If this works out then we can also prolly get Cheryl's problem solved. > Cross some fingers for me please. > herb > Herb, I hope that fixes the problem. I have my fingers crossed. Does ECS have any info on the problem? Have you checked the voltages on the ECS mobo? I have a similar POST problem in a machine that has worked for years. According to the Internet it is either the power supply or the processor. Way back in the late 1990's I bought an HP laptop. It had everything I wanted including a built in modem. I bought it at CompUSA in Atlanta on a road trip. Took it back to the motel and could not get the modem to work. When I got back to my home base I went to the local CompUSA store. After their Customer Service gave me the "full" treatment I left with another laptop (same model, different serial number) that was guaranteed to work. No Joy! I was furious. Took the laptop back and got a full refund. Those CompUSA idiots! Left for Boston. Went to the Best Buy in Boston near the hotel and there was the laptop I loved with a nice notice posted above it. The notice stated that a BIOS update was required to make the modem work. The update URL was on the notice. I bought the laptop again, copied down the BIOS update URL and went to the hotel. Downloaded the update on my company laptop, installed it on the new HP and the long love affair with that laptop was on. I did some of my best work on that laptop. If I could get that functionality in 3-5 lbs I'd be a happy camper. Robert From hc at lookcee.com Tue Sep 1 23:55:58 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Sep 1 23:55:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: BIOS chip source In-Reply-To: References: <4A9D9D23.4050800@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A9DFADE.9060200@lookcee.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On 9/1/09, Herb Cee wrote: > >> This may be premature but I have hit what I believe to be a BIOS chip >> failure with 2 of 3 Mobos from ECS that I bought earlier this year and the 2 >> are displaying the same prob lack of display the board runs but nada... P/S >> boots, fans run but no splash screen and replacing the built in Video did >> not help. >> >> Please tell me if I am on wrong path but this appears to indicate a failure >> in powering the BIOS to run the POST since video is first device to be >> considered in the list for POST. Resetting the defaults by the battery >> jumper does not help. I searched and found this BIOS supplier company. They >> were fast in responding to my questions and were flat on the ball in >> correcting my order since I screwed up and ordered the incorrect revision of >> the programming they caught the error and corrected and shipped all in >> 24hrs. >> >> Because they paid attention and questioned which version I wanted I was >> spared the confusions of getting the incorrectly flashed chip and having to >> go tru the flashing that always makes me a nervous wreck. I am pleased to >> recommend them to those of you who dig the hardware side of this mess of >> magic, LOL >> >> biosdepot1@gmail.com >> http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bios-Depot__W0QQ_armrsZ1 >> >> "Hi, It was programmed with ECS945G-M3 (3.1)Viiv as you specified and was >> put in the mail earlier. Thanks again, Lister" >> >> If this works out then we can also prolly get Cheryl's problem solved. >> Cross some fingers for me please. >> herb >> >> > > Herb, > > I hope that fixes the problem. I have my fingers crossed. > Does ECS have any info on the problem? > Have you checked the voltages on the ECS mobo? > I have a similar POST problem in a machine that has worked for years. > According to the Internet it is either the power supply or the > processor. > > Way back in the late 1990's I bought an HP laptop. It had everything I > wanted including a built in modem. I bought it at CompUSA in Atlanta > on a road trip. Took it back to the motel and could not get the modem > to work. When I got back to my home base I went to the local CompUSA > store. After their Customer Service gave me the "full" treatment I > left with another laptop (same model, different serial number) that > was guaranteed to work. No Joy! I was furious. Took the laptop back > and got a full refund. Those CompUSA idiots! > Left for Boston. Went to the Best Buy in Boston near the hotel and > there was the laptop I loved with a nice notice posted above it. The > notice stated that a BIOS update was required to make the modem work. > The update URL was on the notice. I bought the laptop again, copied > down the BIOS update URL and went to the hotel. Downloaded the update > on my company laptop, installed it on the new HP and the long love > affair with that laptop was on. I did some of my best work on that > laptop. If I could get that functionality in 3-5 lbs I'd be a happy > camper. > > Robert > Thanks Robert. Yeah I checked the P/S even tho it is brand new and it test good, I put the CPU 'A' in the other identical Mobo 'B' and it ran fine but the CPU from 'B' would not run in the 'A' box. This is when I began to think I had a POST failure since I should get the splash screen, I tried the PCI-ex video card and nada and then I tried a plain PCI video card no splash. In all these cases the board stays running and emits the long beep. (ECS does not seem to know what the long beep means).The P/S does not switch off. I concluded from this that the POST routine was failing and resetting the default POST driver with the board jumper also was no joy. That seemed to confirm this was a Mobo failure and could very well be the BIOS chip itself failing. Very hard to say since I thought building a composite of three layers was an insane alignment problem this board is FOUR layers.. Oh well, it's only costing me $11 with shipping to find out, lol. I think finding a puter salesperson that knows very much other than water runs downhill and payday is Friday is rare. (Country, if you tuning in you are excepted lol). But cool story hitting a seller that did know. herb From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 02:49:16 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 02:49:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: BIOS chip source In-Reply-To: <4A9DFADE.9060200@lookcee.com> References: <4A9D9D23.4050800@lookcee.com> <4A9DFADE.9060200@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909020049r33951f34p3d09bcd992ab8868@mail.gmail.com> very interesting reading...Jeremy also mentioned the PS or the processor. Glad you checked that out Herb. My sister had the exact same type of mobo failure on her Compaq which has an ASUS mobo. The company she bought it from just replaced te mobo...took abt 1 month. Maybe someone is putting out bad bios chips to all manufacturers? c On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Robert Pearson wrote: > >> On 9/1/09, Herb Cee wrote: >> >> >>> This may be premature but I have hit what I believe to be a BIOS chip >>> failure with 2 of 3 Mobos from ECS that I bought earlier this year and >>> the 2 >>> are displaying the same prob lack of display the board runs but nada... >>> P/S >>> boots, fans run but no splash screen and replacing the built in Video >>> did >>> not help. >>> >>> Please tell me if I am on wrong path but this appears to indicate a >>> failure >>> in powering the BIOS to run the POST since video is first device to be >>> considered in the list for POST. Resetting the defaults by the battery >>> jumper does not help. I searched and found this BIOS supplier company. >>> They >>> were fast in responding to my questions and were flat on the ball in >>> correcting my order since I screwed up and ordered the incorrect revision >>> of >>> the programming they caught the error and corrected and shipped all in >>> 24hrs. >>> >>> Because they paid attention and questioned which version I wanted I was >>> spared the confusions of getting the incorrectly flashed chip and having >>> to >>> go tru the flashing that always makes me a nervous wreck. I am pleased >>> to >>> recommend them to those of you who dig the hardware side of this mess of >>> magic, LOL >>> >>> biosdepot1@gmail.com >>> http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bios-Depot__W0QQ_armrsZ1 >>> >>> "Hi, It was programmed with ECS945G-M3 (3.1)Viiv as you specified and >>> was >>> put in the mail earlier. Thanks again, Lister" >>> >>> If this works out then we can also prolly get Cheryl's problem solved. >>> Cross some fingers for me please. >>> herb >>> >>> >>> >> >> Herb, >> >> I hope that fixes the problem. I have my fingers crossed. >> Does ECS have any info on the problem? >> Have you checked the voltages on the ECS mobo? >> I have a similar POST problem in a machine that has worked for years. >> According to the Internet it is either the power supply or the >> processor. >> >> Way back in the late 1990's I bought an HP laptop. It had everything I >> wanted including a built in modem. I bought it at CompUSA in Atlanta >> on a road trip. Took it back to the motel and could not get the modem >> to work. When I got back to my home base I went to the local CompUSA >> store. After their Customer Service gave me the "full" treatment I >> left with another laptop (same model, different serial number) that >> was guaranteed to work. No Joy! I was furious. Took the laptop back >> and got a full refund. Those CompUSA idiots! >> Left for Boston. Went to the Best Buy in Boston near the hotel and >> there was the laptop I loved with a nice notice posted above it. The >> notice stated that a BIOS update was required to make the modem work. >> The update URL was on the notice. I bought the laptop again, copied >> down the BIOS update URL and went to the hotel. Downloaded the update >> on my company laptop, installed it on the new HP and the long love >> affair with that laptop was on. I did some of my best work on that >> laptop. If I could get that functionality in 3-5 lbs I'd be a happy >> camper. >> >> Robert >> >> > > Thanks Robert. Yeah I checked the P/S even tho it is brand new and it test > good, I put the CPU 'A' in the other identical Mobo 'B' and it ran fine but > the CPU from 'B' would not run in the 'A' box. This is when I began to think > I had a POST failure since I should get the splash screen, I tried the > PCI-ex video card and nada and then I tried a plain PCI video card no > splash. In all these cases the board stays running and emits the long beep. > (ECS does not seem to know what the long beep means).The P/S does not switch > off. > > I concluded from this that the POST routine was failing and resetting the > default POST driver with the board jumper also was no joy. That seemed to > confirm this was a Mobo failure and could very well be the BIOS chip itself > failing. Very hard to say since I thought building a composite of three > layers was an insane alignment problem this board is FOUR layers.. Oh well, > it's only costing me $11 with shipping to find out, lol. > > I think finding a puter salesperson that knows very much other than water > runs downhill and payday is Friday is rare. (Country, if you tuning in you > are excepted lol). But cool story hitting a seller that did know. > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 02:58:48 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 02:59:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> thanks Bruce...I ran across this same cable yesterday when a friend told me he researched the problem and found Linux won't print but would recognize the parallel printer which is exactly what this one is doing. I see others have solved their problem using this cable... I'm glad to hear from someone onlist that this also solved their parallel paralellprinter issues. What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? Thank you! cheryl 11:39 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> I'm sorry the printer is "parallel". and has NO connection for a USB >> cable. >> > > I recently had the same problem. There is a cable you can buy which is > parallel > to usb. > > Cables Unlimited 6-Foot USB-to-Parallel Printer Adapter Cable > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=471 > > Worked nicely for me, but when we had a bunch of power problems, it failed > and I > had to get a 2nd one. Put the printer on a UPS to prevent that. > > I would have preferred a longer cable, but a usb extension worked. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 03:26:09 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 03:26:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] acer X serues monitor dvi cable? Message-ID: <7e4994a70909020126l384c5c43h54cf6611303c8e95@mail.gmail.com> I have the Acer X series 22" widescreen monitor that came with a VGA and I guess an HDMI cable. Wgat jubd if cable or coverter do I need to plug the monitor into a DVI vid card connector? I see there are hdmi-some sort of letters and dvi- with some sort of letters...I haven't a clue what is what with these... thanks c any recommeded suppliers? -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 06:33:44 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Sep 2 06:33:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] acer X serues monitor dvi cable? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909020126l384c5c43h54cf6611303c8e95@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909020126l384c5c43h54cf6611303c8e95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I have the Acer X series 22" widescreen monitor that came with a VGA and I > guess an HDMI cable. > > What kind of cable or coverter do I need to plug the monitor into a DVI vid > card connector? ?I see there are hdmi-some sort of letters and dvi- with > some sort of letters...I haven't a clue what is what with these... > > thanks c Cheryl, the Wikimedia Commons site has lots of pictures showing these connectors. Some are very large like the one below: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_front_%CE%940058.jpg At the main page you can search for DVI, VGA, or other connector pictures: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page This may help you sort out the numerous connectors. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 06:46:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 06:47:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] acer X serues monitor dvi cable? In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70909020126l384c5c43h54cf6611303c8e95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909020446j439f6cbduf18d1eae779f48ef@mail.gmail.com> thanks so much for the links and the info Howard..I will take a look at them and figure it all out! C On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > I have the Acer X series 22" widescreen monitor that came with a VGA and > I > > guess an HDMI cable. > > > > What kind of cable or coverter do I need to plug the monitor into a DVI > vid > > card connector? I see there are hdmi-some sort of letters and dvi- with > > some sort of letters...I haven't a clue what is what with these... > > > > thanks c > > Cheryl, the Wikimedia Commons site has lots of pictures > showing these connectors. Some are very large like the one > below: > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_front_%CE%940058.jpg > > At the main page you can search for DVI, VGA, or other > connector pictures: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > This may help you sort out the numerous connectors. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 07:14:43 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 07:15:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] acer X serues monitor dvi cable? In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70909020126l384c5c43h54cf6611303c8e95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909020514h43bb3acfn9d3647c91415bfaa@mail.gmail.com> looks like what came with the monitor is a DVI-D and what is on the vid card is DVI-M1-DA http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=dvi+connector+types&go=Go great info!! thanks again Howard! c On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > I have the Acer X series 22" widescreen monitor that came with a VGA and > I > > guess an HDMI cable. > > > > What kind of cable or coverter do I need to plug the monitor into a DVI > vid > > card connector? I see there are hdmi-some sort of letters and dvi- with > > some sort of letters...I haven't a clue what is what with these... > > > > thanks c > > Cheryl, the Wikimedia Commons site has lots of pictures > showing these connectors. Some are very large like the one > below: > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_front_%CE%940058.jpg > > At the main page you can search for DVI, VGA, or other > connector pictures: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > This may help you sort out the numerous connectors. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Sep 2 11:13:18 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:13:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Install Fest Message-ID: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> Anyone have an update on the next install fest? Todd From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:16:00 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:16:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909020916m4af101a2x5dcb094771879624@mail.gmail.com> Steve had spoke of when it was going to be at the last meeting but no one ever solidified a date. IIRC there was a confliction due to the computer show. Cheers Peter On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, redpill wrote: > Anyone have an update on the next install fest? > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:46:08 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Sep 2 11:46:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. -- Bruce From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 2 12:05:30 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (afcasta@satx.rr.com) Date: Wed Sep 2 12:05:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue with printing on Tuesdays. I kid you not. [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html Al Castanoli ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? > > Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. > > -- Bruce From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 13:19:58 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Sep 2 13:20:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0909021119l7dc343afkc5703be7a7ab9ca0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, redpill wrote: > Anyone have an update on the next install fest? > > Todd > > We just decided not to have an Install Fest this semester. If someone needs Linux installed let me know and we can arrange something. Steve -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Sep 2 12:14:14 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Sep 2 14:20:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909020916m4af101a2x5dcb094771879624@mail.gmail.com> References: <1251907998.5002.4.camel@redpill-laptop> <7c63fb3d0909020916m4af101a2x5dcb094771879624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1251911654.5002.5.camel@redpill-laptop> FYI, just talked to Kolars, he said that Install Fest is canceled for this semester. Todd On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 11:16 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Steve had spoke of when it was going to be at the last meeting but no one > ever solidified a date. IIRC there was a confliction due to the computer > show. > > Cheers > > Peter > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, redpill wrote: > > > Anyone have an update on the next install fest? > > > > Todd > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 17:05:57 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 17:06:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> how funny and strange! :o) c On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: > The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue > with printing on Tuesdays. > > I kid you not. > > [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html > > Al Castanoli > > ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > > > What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? > > > > Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. > > > > -- Bruce > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 17:07:38 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Sep 2 17:08:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909021507s48dadeu70824bac0e8577fd@mail.gmail.com> sorry Bruce..I don't know what that means...a surge protector? thanks c On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >> > > Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. > > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 17:18:33 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Sep 2 17:18:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909021507s48dadeu70824bac0e8577fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909021507s48dadeu70824bac0e8577fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9EEF39.2060003@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > sorry Bruce..I don't know what that means...a surge protector? thanks c > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. A UPS provides the features of a surge protector, but better. It is battery supported in case of power outage. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/surge-protector5.htm -- Bruce From hc at lookcee.com Wed Sep 2 18:21:37 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Sep 2 18:21:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > how funny and strange! :o) c > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: > > >> The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue >> with printing on Tuesdays. >> >> I kid you not. >> >> [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html >> >> Al Castanoli >> >> ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >>>> >>> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. >>> >>> -- Bruce Uninterrupted_power_supply is what the term means and is a box you plug into the wall and plug your puter into the box and it comes with software that switches the battery power on instantly when the wall plug dies (like we rural folks know about) and it keeps your puter running for a time anywhere from few minutes to allow you to shut down to several hours to provide mission critical systems to stay up. However, it does not deliver a package to your door like the other UPS. herb From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 07:04:58 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 07:05:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9EEF39.2060003@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909010221t69f1befby3509e1634a3b7b6a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909010606r7f0951e3ia18341b803aefd4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D4E48.9070600@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909020058v2647de3doc9056f75dc06e067@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909021507s48dadeu70824bac0e8577fd@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EEF39.2060003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909030504h5f77fb7bo2e063dde5445fa80@mail.gmail.com> thank you..i will check one out...in the 89's it sounds like what we called a BBU...c On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> sorry Bruce..I don't know what that means...a surge protector? thanks c >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Bruce Dubbs >> wrote: >> >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>> >>> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >>> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. >>> >> > A UPS provides the features of a surge protector, but better. It is > battery supported in case of power outage. > > http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/surge-protector5.htm > > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 07:14:43 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 07:15:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> hahahahahahahahahaha Herb..darn I was hoping it meant I could have a guy in shorts standing here at all times making certain my every computer need was met! Daen darn darn... it does sound like something I need to look into for me and mom...my sister bought one for a great price at costco. We called them BBU's back in the 80's (battery back up units). I'll read abt them on the link Bruce supplied...I hope they also give great surge protection...thanks for all the info..I'm learning a lot from you guys on the list this past week. I love learning new things..c On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> how funny and strange! :o) c >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >>> The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue >>> with printing on Tuesdays. >>> >>> I kid you not. >>> >>> [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html >>> >>> Al Castanoli >>> >>> ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. >>>> >>>> -- Bruce >>>> >>> Uninterrupted_power_supply is what the term means and is a box you plug > into the wall and plug your puter into the box and it comes with software > that switches the battery power on instantly when the wall plug dies (like > we rural folks know about) and it keeps your puter running for a time > anywhere from few minutes to allow you to shut down to several hours to > provide mission critical systems to stay up. However, it does not deliver a > package to your door like the other UPS. > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Sep 3 11:57:50 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Sep 3 11:57:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9FF58E.6000202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > hahahahahahahahahaha Herb..darn I was hoping it meant I could have a guy in > shorts standing here at all times making certain my every computer need was > met! Daen darn darn... > > it does sound like something I need to look into for me and mom...my sister > bought one for a great price at costco. We called them BBU's back in the > 80's (battery back up units). I'll read abt them on the link Bruce > supplied...I hope they also give great surge protection...thanks for all the > info..I'm learning a lot from you guys on the list this past week. I love > learning new things..c Same thing, Cheryl... Battery Backup - UPS... U.P.S. stands for (in this case) "Un-interruptable Power Source". When the voltages flashes, it flashes from AC Wall current to battery supplying AC wall current so that the computer system never just "dies". Most of the UPS these days will stay on long enough for the user to properly shut down the system, and save any data. Make sure the batteries stay fresh. In fact, a couple of deep cycle marine batteries in parallel make for a -long lasting- power source. You can add it in parallel to the existing battery for up to 5x the up-time of the UPS. -Geoff From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 17:22:10 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:22:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: testing Message-ID: this is just a test of a complicated setup I created for my phone. email should be forwarded to recursivequicksort@gmail.com and my phone will get those mails only instead of my 2 gigabytes of gmail. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ My PHPbb3 Forum will be back online soon. I just found high a high bandwidth connection. From pjcrux at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 17:32:48 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:32:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers boards? I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. All comments welcome... -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Thu Sep 3 17:50:14 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Sep 3 17:50:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA04826.3020107@suddenlink.net> Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... > > Hi Peter: I have had a preference for MSI for a while, but I am looking to move to another manufacturer. Last selection from MSI had problems, and not just with Linux. HTH, Dennis From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 18:19:23 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 18:19:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909031619w58d45e6fhe305477a09a65601@mail.gmail.com> Peter, I ran an MSI board for years no problem. Don't know tho if that's dependent on the distro..I ran Red Hat, Gutsy and now Hardy. I have seen some boards have embedded Windows software in them, like my sisters Asus. Don't know if that affects the ability to run Linux...c Not sure what's going on with the newer ECS boards but me and Herb are having problems with getting them going... On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Sep 3 18:21:12 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Sep 3 18:21:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64817.63525.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I've never had any problems with MSI boards. Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > All comments welcome... > -- > Cheers! > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 18:52:04 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 3 18:52:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. On our newest cluster, the vendor chose MSI boards. I had to RMA 4 of them (out of 20) for bad hardware. Our previously Beowulf cluster we used ASUS mobos. They worked ok up until the capacitors started blowing. Our main cluster uses Tyan boards and that one has been the most stable related to hardware problems. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 19:01:40 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Sep 3 19:01:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross I bought a cheap $85 Asus board in 2002, and it has performed with zero problems since then. One data point, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 19:08:48 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 19:09:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909031708r184a50deg4dcbceb08d5b18aa@mail.gmail.com> forgot to say sister's ASUS lasted abt 1 year, then quit. Luckily she had it replaced under warranty. So, what is it with failing boards or board components these days...poor or no QC, or has this been going on since everything is now manufactured in China, including components and boards and made as cheaply as possible to keep mobo pricing down? I remember when US made mobo's ran into the tousands, then high hundreds and QC was VERY tight. Back then, we didn't want the boards returned to us and cared about maintaining a satisfied customer base...c On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > > Hey all, > > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > > boards? > > > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > On our newest cluster, the vendor chose MSI boards. I had to RMA 4 of > them (out of 20) for bad hardware. Our previously Beowulf cluster we > used ASUS mobos. They worked ok up until the capacitors started > blowing. Our main cluster uses Tyan boards and that one has been the > most stable related to hardware problems. > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Sep 3 19:30:11 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Thu Sep 3 19:30:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252024211.3385.5.camel@redpill-laptop> I have used Asus MoBo's for about five years or so and have been generally satisfied. That said you should take into consideration the type of memory your gonna get for it. My recommendation is that if you go for a DDR2 mobo then go a head a max out the memory now while DDR2 prices are low. As DDR3 prices have dropped real low (around $70 for 4 gigs on newegg) you can expect for DDR2 prices to begin to climb as manufactures switch over their production to DDR3. reason why I say this is that I made this very mistake with DDR when DDR2 was coming out. So when I got around to maxing out that board I paid about $85 more then if I had maxed out the board when I first bought it. happy hunting Todd On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:32 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Sep 3 19:35:41 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Sep 3 19:35:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909040035.n840ZfVI019059@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > > Hey all, > > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > > boards? > > > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > On our newest cluster, the vendor chose MSI boards. I had to RMA 4 of > them (out of 20) for bad hardware. Our previously Beowulf cluster we > used ASUS mobos. They worked ok up until the capacitors started > blowing. Our main cluster uses Tyan boards and that one has been the > most stable related to hardware problems. For the very first cluster I built in 1998 I chose supermicro boards. From the 25 boards I bought that were supermicro I had one of them go bad after about 8 years. That is 24/7 running. Some of them we still keep running. You might end up spending a little more for supermicros, but they are top quality. -b From hc at lookcee.com Thu Sep 3 20:21:00 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Sep 3 20:21:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA06B7C.9040607@lookcee.com> Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... Well Peter you have had some good response and I will just sum it up kinda by saying look at the board that serves your needs and is in your price range try to price them maxed out cause that is usually best and cheapest but not always I do agree w Todd that you are seeing DDR2 mem bout as low as it will go and will increase. Once you have found the 3-4 boards you like best then google those board IDs to see what people are saying cause often no amount of testing will show a prob then a yr after several thousand of them are in use a prob shows up, the solid mfg. Cos will usually honor that kind of problem with replacing it. Past that it is a crap shoot, say a prayer and hope for the best. lol and best of luck the other hh From justin.burdette at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 20:29:49 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Thu Sep 3 20:29:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <4AA06B7C.9040607@lookcee.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <4AA06B7C.9040607@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 20:21, Herb Cee wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > >> Hey all, >> Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... >> >> Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers >> boards? >> >> I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. >> >> All comments welcome... >> > > Well Peter you have had some good response and I will just sum it up kinda > by saying look at the board that serves your needs and is in your price > range try to price them maxed out cause that is usually best and cheapest > but not always I do agree w Todd that you are seeing DDR2 mem bout as low as > it will go and will increase. > > Once you have found the 3-4 boards you like best then google those board > IDs to see what people are saying cause often no amount of testing will show > a prob then a yr after several thousand of them are in use a prob shows up, > the solid mfg. Cos will usually honor that kind of problem with replacing > it. Past that it is a crap shoot, say a prayer and hope for the best. > lol and best of luck > the other hh > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I've never had trouble running MSI boards. I'm currently running a BioStar board with a dual-core AMD and had no issues at all with OpenSUSE 11.1. The board I have now is the TF-7025, but I don't think it's available anymore. -- Computer Services by Justin 24/7 PC Support (210) 646-HELP From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 3 21:30:23 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Thu Sep 3 21:30:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> Cheryl -- I would actually recommend using an external surge protector in addition to the UPS. If you burn out the one _IN_ the UPS, you might have to replace the entire UPS instead of a much less expensive surge strip (the built-in surge protection would still be a backup to the external one in case the external one fails). And I would put it first in the circuit (i.e., plugged directly into the wall). One thing most people don't realize about the relatively inexpensive surge protectors that are available in most stores is that when they absorb the surge, they physically deteriorate. After a few big surges (or even a lot of little ones), it will deteriorate to the point that it needs to be replaced. This also applies to the ones built-into most UPS units. There's another kind out there that works on a different principle that doesn't deteriorate that way, but they are much much more expensive (and pretty hard to find, so I'm told). Al Lesmerises Cheryl Holmes wrote: > hahahahahahahahahaha Herb..darn I was hoping it meant I could have a guy in > shorts standing here at all times making certain my every computer need was > met! Daen darn darn... > > it does sound like something I need to look into for me and mom...my sister > bought one for a great price at costco. We called them BBU's back in the > 80's (battery back up units). I'll read abt them on the link Bruce > supplied...I hope they also give great surge protection...thanks for all the > info..I'm learning a lot from you guys on the list this past week. I love > learning new things..c > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >>> how funny and strange! :o) c >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue >>>> with printing on Tuesdays. >>>> >>>> I kid you not. >>>> >>>> [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html >>>> >>>> Al Castanoli >>>> >>>> ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >>>>>> >>>>> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. >>>>> >>>>> -- Bruce >>>>> >>>> Uninterrupted_power_supply is what the term means and is a box you plug into the wall and plug your puter into the box and it comes with software that switches the battery power on instantly when the wall plug dies (like we rural folks know about) and it keeps your puter running for a time anywhere from few minutes to allow you to shut down to several hours to provide mission critical systems to stay up. However, it does not deliver a package to your door like the other UPS. >>>> herb >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 22:22:30 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:22:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <1252024211.3385.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <1252024211.3385.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909032022r383b5fbai99b6761794649951@mail.gmail.com> very good advice Todd. I made that same mistake with SDRAM and it ended up costing me a fortune to max out later too! c On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:30 PM, redpill wrote: > I have used Asus MoBo's for about five years or so and have been > generally satisfied. That said you should take into consideration the > type of memory your gonna get for it. My recommendation is that if you > go for a DDR2 mobo then go a head a max out the memory now while DDR2 > prices are low. As DDR3 prices have dropped real low (around $70 for 4 > gigs on newegg) you can expect for DDR2 prices to begin to climb as > manufactures switch over their production to DDR3. reason why I say > this is that I made this very mistake with DDR when DDR2 was coming out. > So when I got around to maxing out that board I paid about $85 more then > if I had maxed out the board when I first bought it. > > happy hunting > Todd > > On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:32 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > > Hey all, > > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > > boards? > > > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > > > All comments welcome... > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Peter J. Cross > > San Antonio, TX > > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 22:25:43 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:26:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4A9FF58E.6000202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4A9FF58E.6000202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909032025l201fc2ddr48d2b9e22b7cae3b@mail.gmail.com> thanks Geoff...:o) c On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > hahahahahahahahahaha Herb..darn I was hoping it meant I could have a guy > in > > shorts standing here at all times making certain my every computer need > was > > met! Daen darn darn... > > > > it does sound like something I need to look into for me and mom...my > sister > > bought one for a great price at costco. We called them BBU's back in the > > 80's (battery back up units). I'll read abt them on the link Bruce > > supplied...I hope they also give great surge protection...thanks for all > the > > info..I'm learning a lot from you guys on the list this past week. I > love > > learning new things..c > > Same thing, Cheryl... Battery Backup - UPS... > > U.P.S. stands for (in this case) "Un-interruptable Power Source". When > the voltages flashes, it flashes from AC Wall current to battery > supplying AC wall current so that the computer system never just "dies". > > Most of the UPS these days will stay on long enough for the user to > properly shut down the system, and save any data. Make sure the > batteries stay fresh. In fact, a couple of deep cycle marine batteries > in parallel make for a -long lasting- power source. You can add it in > parallel to the existing battery for up to 5x the up-time of the UPS. > > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 22:33:11 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:32:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909032233.11712.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 03 September 2009 05:32:48 pm Peter Cross wrote: > Hey all, > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > boards? > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > All comments welcome... > > I recently switched to an MSI mobo and am very, very happy. Though I did not get a economy board. Every few years I splurge for a higher end motherboard and in the years between I often get an economy board to tide me over until the next splurge. I got the MSI K9N2 Diamond because I wanted a full-featured board to run a quad core Athlon and have an nvidia chipset and other bells and whistles. This board has been rock solid and altogether awesome. The only (possible) downside that I have run into is the fact that the user will probably need to provide an audio card. This board does not have onboard audio in lieu of the copper heatsink/heatpipe for the chipset. This board does come with an Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi for PCIE-x1. Creative has made a linux driver for the X-Fi series and some distros, like Mandriva 2009.1, have snd-cxfi. But I had no luck with this card when I tried it (though I did not fully test all configurations for pulse audio). Through the years I have switched from manufacturer to manufacturer, changing according my own needs or when a manufacturer's quality started waning. I started with Tyan, then Abit, then Asus, and now MSI. I used Asus for a while, but in recent years they have been shipping more and more DOA boards. I also match manufacturers mobos and vid cards whenever possible, so I am running an MSI GeForce 8800GTS right now. When I upgrade that, it will definitely be another MSI nvidia card. Oh yeah... distro-wise... I am running Mandriva 2010(Cooker) on it right now and was using Mandriva 2008.1 for several months before that. John C. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 22:32:05 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:32:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> wow! lots to consider! thanks Al! I wonder if it might just be better to install a Leviton circuit protector thing in the wall...I forgot what they're called but in Dad's house in SA after surges blew out all his appliances, we put those in and never had another problem. Insurance would also cover losses after those were installed. Don't know if that still holds true now days tho..c On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Cheryl -- > > I would actually recommend using an external surge protector in addition to > the UPS. If you burn out the one _IN_ the UPS, you might have to replace > the entire UPS instead of a much less expensive surge strip (the built-in > surge protection would still be a backup to the external one in case the > external one fails). And I would put it first in the circuit (i.e., plugged > directly into the wall). > > One thing most people don't realize about the relatively inexpensive surge > protectors that are available in most stores is that when they absorb the > surge, they physically deteriorate. After a few big surges (or even a lot > of little ones), it will deteriorate to the point that it needs to be > replaced. This also applies to the ones built-into most UPS units. There's > another kind out there that works on a different principle that doesn't > deteriorate that way, but they are much much more expensive (and pretty hard > to find, so I'm told). > > Al Lesmerises > > > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> hahahahahahahahahaha Herb..darn I was hoping it meant I could have a guy >> in >> shorts standing here at all times making certain my every computer need >> was >> met! Daen darn darn... >> >> it does sound like something I need to look into for me and mom...my >> sister >> bought one for a great price at costco. We called them BBU's back in the >> 80's (battery back up units). I'll read abt them on the link Bruce >> supplied...I hope they also give great surge protection...thanks for all >> the >> info..I'm learning a lot from you guys on the list this past week. I love >> learning new things..c >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Herb Cee wrote: >> >> >>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>> >>> >>>> how funny and strange! :o) c >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue >>>>> with printing on Tuesdays. >>>>> >>>>> I kid you not. >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html >>>>> >>>>> Al Castanoli >>>>> >>>>> ---- Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> What does it mean to put the printer in UPS Bruce? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Plug the printer's power cable into an Uninterruptible Power Supply. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Bruce >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Uninterrupted_power_supply is what the term means and is a box you plug >>>>> into the wall and plug your puter into the box and it comes with software >>>>> that switches the battery power on instantly when the wall plug dies (like >>>>> we rural folks know about) and it keeps your puter running for a time >>>>> anywhere from few minutes to allow you to shut down to several hours to >>>>> provide mission critical systems to stay up. However, it does not deliver a >>>>> package to your door like the other UPS. >>>>> herb >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From alex1009dgo at hotmail.com Fri Sep 4 02:18:26 2009 From: alex1009dgo at hotmail.com (Alejandro herrera) Date: Fri Sep 4 02:18:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how can I make my debian a FTP server In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Feliz aniversario Messenger! www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 06:45:58 2009 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Sep 4 06:46:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how can I make my debian a FTP server In-Reply-To: References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0909040445p48433bf1t69a12a56d3810c7d@mail.gmail.com> Standard warning - FTP is not secure it sends the password in clear text over your network, ssh and scp would be much more secure.. now that is out of the way http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_an_FTP_server_on_Debian Zeb On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Alejandro herrera wrote: > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feliz aniversario Messenger! > www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 07:22:02 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Sep 4 07:22:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A good source of info. is motherboards.org. There are a lot of feature charts, MB reviews, and a fairly large forum area. Tom's hardware also has some good info. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Sep 4 07:31:41 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Sep 4 07:31:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please Message-ID: <20090904053141.823C5D4F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> I have contacted several companies in the SA area and asked for help in designing and installing a wireless link between 2, at most 3 points at the Texas Transportation Museum. Not one of them has shown up on the day they say they were going to stop and look at what we wanted. We are not looking for a hand out. We are willing to pay for the expert to do the job right. We have money in our budget, We do not know if it is enough because we have not been able to get anyone to get us even a ball-park price. If you have reasonable experience with wireless systems and would like to do the job please contact me. I am at the museum most Saturdays and Sundays. The museum is open most Thursdays and Fridays and I can be there then if needed. Nathan From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Sep 4 07:37:21 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Sep 4 07:37:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > wow! lots to consider! thanks Al! I wonder if it might just be better to > install a Leviton circuit protector thing in the wall...I forgot what > they're called but in Dad's house in SA after surges blew out all his > appliances, we put those in and never had another problem. Insurance would > also cover losses after those were installed. Don't know if that still > holds true now days tho..c > > You're thinking of a GFI - Ground Fault Interrupter. That's just the opposite effect you're looking for, if you want to keep your computer system up and running. Then again, if you had a GFI between the UPS and the house voltage source, and then an external voltage surge protector between the UPS and the computer stuff, you should be safer. My personal feelings on a lightning strike are: I don't care -HOW- much protection you install, if you take a direct strike, you -are- going to loose some equipment. Surge protectors are nice for CPS irregularities, but who, in their right mind, would think that a surge protector that contains a device that's no bigger than most people's thumbnail, is going to proect equipment from a bolt of lightning that's traveled thousands of feet and contains grizzelions of volts? Don't take this the wrong way, please - I'm not being sarcastic or anything... Sure - get the GFI, get the UPS with built-in surge protector, and put another one outside of the UPS between it and the computer, but the -safest- thing to do with your computer stuff when a storm comes, is to unplug it! Anything powered. Monitor, computer, unplug the RJ-45, too... just unplug it from the wall. That's the safest bet! Sincerely, -Geoff From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 4 07:47:22 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Fri Sep 4 07:48:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please In-Reply-To: <20090904053141.823C5D4F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090904053141.823C5D4F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <80907AC28FD940B4B00E8B43671CFC80@control> Another resource would be to contact the IT department at northwest Vista College who has installed WIFI on 100% of their campus, including all classrooms and common areas as well. They could put you in touch with the entities that did the work or even refer you to one or more of their best and brightest students that know how to do that kind of work. I assume you are talking about wireless "hotspots" in multiple locations in your facility. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please >I have contacted several companies in the SA area and asked for help in >designing and installing a wireless link between 2, at most 3 points at the >Texas Transportation Museum. Not one of them has shown up on the day they >say they were going to stop and look at what we wanted. > > We are not looking for a hand out. We are willing to pay for the expert > to do the job right. We have money in our budget, We do not know if it is > enough because we have not been able to get anyone to get us even a > ball-park price. > > If you have reasonable experience with wireless systems and would like to > do the job please contact me. I am at the museum most Saturdays and > Sundays. The museum is open most Thursdays and Fridays and I can be there > then if needed. > > Nathan > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 08:08:29 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Sep 4 08:08:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <176774.14312.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> maybe if we can "channel" those "grizellion" volts into some sort of "open source" container we can have our own way of supplying electricity to customers. lol :p Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> wow! lots to consider! thanks Al! I wonder if it might just be better to >> install a Leviton circuit protector thing in the wall...I forgot what >> they're called but in Dad's house in SA after surges blew out all his >> appliances, we put those in and never had another problem. Insurance would >> also cover losses after those were installed. Don't know if that still >> holds true now days tho..c >> >> > You're thinking of a GFI - Ground Fault Interrupter. That's just the > opposite effect you're looking for, if you want to keep your computer > system up and running. Then again, if you had a GFI between the UPS > and the house voltage source, and then an external voltage surge > protector between the UPS and the computer stuff, you should be safer. > My personal feelings on a lightning strike are: > I don't care -HOW- much protection you install, if you take a direct > strike, you -are- going to loose some equipment. Surge protectors are > nice for CPS irregularities, but who, in their right mind, would think > that a surge protector that contains a device that's no bigger than most > people's thumbnail, is going to proect equipment from a bolt of > lightning that's traveled thousands of feet and contains grizzelions of > volts? > Don't take this the wrong way, please - I'm not being sarcastic or > anything... > Sure - get the GFI, get the UPS with built-in surge protector, and put > another one outside of the UPS between it and the computer, but the > -safest- thing to do with your computer stuff when a storm comes, is to > unplug it! Anything powered. Monitor, computer, unplug the RJ-45, > too... just unplug it from the wall. That's the safest bet! > Sincerely, > -Geoff > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From afcasta at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 4 09:11:55 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Sep 4 09:12:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909031708r184a50deg4dcbceb08d5b18aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909031708r184a50deg4dcbceb08d5b18aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252073515.6662.9.camel@phrodo> I've administered several hundred Intel or AMD based servers, and find them just about as reliable as Sun or HP (as in running HP-UX) hardware, but they've had very good power conditioning equipment between them and the mains. Home based computers, though, are subject to more power spikes and brownouts than rackmounted hardware in a controlled environment, and any of the components of a motherboard can fail when abused by unsteady power. If you can't afford an UPS, I'd at least recommend a surge protector. That said, I've had relatively good experiences with ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards in unprotected environments, and have had a higher failure rate among lower priced ECS, MSI, and Tyan system boards on both workstations and low-end servers. Al Castanoli On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 19:08 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > forgot to say sister's ASUS lasted abt 1 year, then quit. Luckily she had > it replaced under warranty. > > So, what is it with failing boards or board components these days...poor or > no QC, or has this been going on since everything is now manufactured in > China, including components and boards and made as cheaply as possible to > keep mobo pricing down? > > I remember when US made mobo's ran into the tousands, then high hundreds and > QC was VERY tight. Back then, we didn't want the boards returned to us and > cared about maintaining a satisfied customer base...c > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > > > > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > > > boards? > > > > > > I have heard good things about ECS, Asus, and Gigabyte. > > > > On our newest cluster, the vendor chose MSI boards. I had to RMA 4 of > > them (out of 20) for bad hardware. Our previously Beowulf cluster we > > used ASUS mobos. They worked ok up until the capacitors started > > blowing. Our main cluster uses Tyan boards and that one has been the > > most stable related to hardware problems. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Sep 4 10:35:48 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Sep 4 10:34:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please Message-ID: <20090904083548.82796BA3@resin10.mta.everyone.net> No, hot spots are not part of the current needs, only a wireless link to two areas were it is not practical to run wire. Once more, we need someone to handle the whole installation from start to finish so we are not spending our time explaining what we want to someone new every other day. Nathan --- ftm@satx.rr.com wrote: From: "Doug" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG]WIFI help please Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:47:22 -0500 Another resource would be to contact the IT department at northwest Vista College who has installed WIFI on 100% of their campus, including all classrooms and common areas as well. They could put you in touch with the entities that did the work or even refer you to one or more of their best and brightest students that know how to do that kind of work. I assume you are talking about wireless "hotspots" in multiple locations in your facility. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please >I have contacted several companies in the SA area and asked for help in >designing and installing a wireless link between 2, at most 3 points at the >Texas Transportation Museum. Not one of them has shown up on the day they >say they were going to stop and look at what we wanted. > > We are not looking for a hand out. We are willing to pay for the expert > to do the job right. We have money in our budget, We do not know if it is > enough because we have not been able to get anyone to get us even a > ball-park price. > > If you have reasonable experience with wireless systems and would like to > do the job please contact me. I am at the museum most Saturdays and > Sundays. The museum is open most Thursdays and Fridays and I can be there > then if needed. > > Nathan > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 4 11:17:37 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 4 11:17:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <176774.14312.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <176774.14312.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alex Bartonek wrote: >maybe if we can "channel" those "grizellion" volts into some sort of >"open source" container we can have our own way of supplying >electricity to customers. lol :p Google "Leyden Jar" "Nikola Tesla" "Victor Frankenstein" -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 4 11:32:53 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 4 11:32:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Howard Haradon wrote: >A good source of info. is motherboards.org. There are >a lot of feature charts, MB reviews, and a fairly large forum >area. Tom's hardware also has some good info. I'll add that the user ratings on Newegg.com are also useful. If less than 10% of the ratings are in the bottom two categories, and there are more than 50 ratings, it's a good product. (This accounts for people that shouldn't handle sharp objects, like a screwdriver.) 10%-20% means manufacturer might not have good QC, check the comments. Over 20% means You Have Been Warned. There are generally a few Linux users posting about specific issues, if any, so you should know if a product is incompatible. --Don -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 11:48:40 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Sep 4 11:48:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <1252073515.6662.9.camel@phrodo> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909031708r184a50deg4dcbceb08d5b18aa@mail.gmail.com> <1252073515.6662.9.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: On 9/4/09, Al Castanoli wrote: > I've administered several hundred Intel or AMD based servers, and find > them just about as reliable as Sun or HP (as in running HP-UX) hardware, > but they've had very good power conditioning equipment between them and > the mains. > > Home based computers, though, are subject to more power spikes and > brownouts than rackmounted hardware in a controlled environment, and any > of the components of a motherboard can fail when abused by unsteady > power. If you can't afford an UPS, I'd at least recommend a surge > protector. > > That said, I've had relatively good experiences with ASUS and Gigabyte > motherboards in unprotected environments, and have had a higher failure > rate among lower priced ECS, MSI, and Tyan system boards on both > workstations and low-end servers. > > > Al Castanoli > > > > > On our newest cluster, the vendor chose MSI boards. I had to RMA 4 of > > > them (out of 20) for bad hardware. Our previously Beowulf cluster we > > > used ASUS mobos. They worked ok up until the capacitors started > > > blowing. Our main cluster uses Tyan boards and that one has been the > > > most stable related to hardware problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeremy Mann > > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > > -- This is aimed at Al and Jeremy and anyone else with similar experience. I have always heard about the distinction between Desktop and Server mobo's. Typically the price differential is at least $100. The performance and reliability is also quite different. The last data I have shows a good Desktop mobo is at least $100 while a good Server one is at least $200. So is the range still about $100-$200 for a Desktop and $200-$400 for a Server? Many people want to buy a $50 mobo and use it in a Server. Is this a good deal ever? Does it ever make sense to put a server mobo in a Desktop machine? I wonder what the gamers use? Don't they typically overclock? Thanks. Robert From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 12:15:49 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Sep 4 12:15:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909031652r699b2019j25e53032df01cb4c@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70909031708r184a50deg4dcbceb08d5b18aa@mail.gmail.com> <1252073515.6662.9.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909041015k565ae4e4g78176f94a77cd7f2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Robert Pearson wrote: > This is aimed at Al and Jeremy and anyone else with similar experience. > I have always heard about the distinction between Desktop and Server mobo's. > Typically the price differential is at least $100. The performance and > reliability is also quite different. > The last data I have shows a good Desktop mobo is at least $100 while > a good Server one is at least $200. So is the range still about > $100-$200 for a Desktop and $200-$400 for a Server? > Many people want to buy a $50 mobo and use it in a Server. Is this a > good deal ever? > Does it ever make sense to put a server mobo in a Desktop machine? > I wonder what the gamers use? Don't they typically overclock? The "server" mobos will have features common to servers which aren't included on "normal" mobos like wake-on-lan, console redirection, onboard SCSI, etc... And they probably use better capacitors. As for a motherboard for rack systems, especially if its a 1U chassis the mobos are designed completely different. They are longer with the chips spread out more and in some cases the RAM slots are angled to a 45 degree to allow the taller ECC/Registered sticks. I've had mixed experiences with using home hardware as a "server". I had an old P3 666 Dell as my home server for years that I literaly could not kill. I've dropped it, kicked it, accidentally pulled the power cord during a large disc write, and whatever else could ever happen to a computer. Oh yeah, and my cat pee'ed on it. I have it in my closet in case my current server ever bites the dust. I needed more space and faster speed so I built a Athlon64 system. I could not keep that thing happy. It ran way too hot (even in my server room), and always crashed. I finally fixed it by using a very large case fan, but I eventually gave it away because the case fan was so loud I could hear it in my living room. With that said, right here in my office we have a mixed Beowulf cluster with a few of the original 8 year old SuperMicro mobos. They are still running to this day and only during prolonged power outages do they rarely turn off. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 00:42:16 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Sep 5 00:42:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909042242x4126b32eu2fdecf3da97acd49@mail.gmail.com> no I'm not Geoff. I know what a GFI is. I have one in my bathroom..I'll look it up and see what it's called that I' talking abt since I can't recall. I know the ones we bought were made by Leviton and we used the same ones at DF because of the computer equipment..cs On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > wow! lots to consider! thanks Al! I wonder if it might just be better > to > > install a Leviton circuit protector thing in the wall...I forgot what > > they're called but in Dad's house in SA after surges blew out all his > > appliances, we put those in and never had another problem. Insurance > would > > also cover losses after those were installed. Don't know if that still > > holds true now days tho..c > > > > > > You're thinking of a GFI - Ground Fault Interrupter. That's just the > opposite effect you're looking for, if you want to keep your computer > system up and running. Then again, if you had a GFI between the UPS > and the house voltage source, and then an external voltage surge > protector between the UPS and the computer stuff, you should be safer. > > My personal feelings on a lightning strike are: > > I don't care -HOW- much protection you install, if you take a direct > strike, you -are- going to loose some equipment. Surge protectors are > nice for CPS irregularities, but who, in their right mind, would think > that a surge protector that contains a device that's no bigger than most > people's thumbnail, is going to proect equipment from a bolt of > lightning that's traveled thousands of feet and contains grizzelions of > volts? > > Don't take this the wrong way, please - I'm not being sarcastic or > anything... > > Sure - get the GFI, get the UPS with built-in surge protector, and put > another one outside of the UPS between it and the computer, but the > -safest- thing to do with your computer stuff when a storm comes, is to > unplug it! Anything powered. Monitor, computer, unplug the RJ-45, > too... just unplug it from the wall. That's the safest bet! > > Sincerely, > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Sep 5 00:56:08 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Sep 5 00:56:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for A good MOBO manufacturer In-Reply-To: <200909032233.11712.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909031532l74d0ebb6pba805aabdc156578@mail.gmail.com> <200909032233.11712.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909050056.09340.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 03 September 2009 10:33:11 pm John D Choate wrote: > On Thursday 03 September 2009 05:32:48 pm Peter Cross wrote: > > Hey all, > > Yes it's that guy again asking silly questions.... > > > > Does anyone run MSI boards? Does linux operate well on this manufacturers > > boards? Oh yeah... [...] > I recently switched to an MSI mobo and am very, very happy. Though I did > not get a economy board. Every few years I splurge for a higher end > motherboard and in the years between I often get an economy board to tide > me over until the next splurge. I got the MSI K9N2 Diamond because I wanted > a full-featured board to run a quad core Athlon and have an nvidia chipset > and other bells and whistles. A couple of years ago, I got one of these for my mythtv system: http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-MicroStar-SOCKET-A-NFORCE2-IGP-M-ATX-2DDR The embedded nvidia chipset, integrated sound, SATA... it all worked great. I just depends what you want to do with them. Make sure that the kernel modules work with the hardware. For example.. don't buy a board that uses broadcom chipsets or ATI. Tweeks From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 01:50:29 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Sep 5 01:50:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: HP 710 all in one inkjet In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909042242x4126b32eu2fdecf3da97acd49@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9EA150.9080202@gmail.com> <20090902170530.5VI68.479273.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> <7e4994a70909021505ja272450n4fa80e28f225ca5e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9EFE01.9030302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70909030514u1a47b78ev80b002929b11c247@mail.gmail.com> <4AA07BBF.4020404@satx.rr.com> <7e4994a70909032032n32dcf85akac6c12a97ed903fa@mail.gmail.com> <4AA10A01.90108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70909042242x4126b32eu2fdecf3da97acd49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909042350u18693b8eq7957366144d9cb1c@mail.gmail.com> Darn it I just can't remeber what those were called...ansd sincew that was in the 80's these type of outlet receptacles have probably been renamed like everything else these days...ie BBU's now called UPS. It's bugging me so much I'm going to call Leviton to ask them..I was a Purchasing Agent (Buyer) for a fortune 500 computer manufacturer ...I jad them installed in the entire plant for surge protection and then insurance would cover any damages to equip,emt since we used this, but we never had any equipment blown using them. Because of that, I had them installed by an electrician in my Dad's home to protect his appliances and equipment. They looked like fancy grounded wall outlets with an LED light on them so you could tell if the circuit had taken a hit...you could get them in all amps and joules...still can. Something like a breaker, or perhaps a breaker would blow on that outlet to keep surges from hitting your equipment...but we never even had any of the Leviton wall outlet devices blow. If a surge made it through a main breaker in the breaker box this outlet would catch it and stop it. They were/are really excellent...I wish I could remember what they are called and I wish things would stop being renamed...We old folks remember stuff like this, or should anyway... c From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 5 10:58:17 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sat Sep 5 10:58:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 Message-ID: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> I am re-configuring my home server, and have followed the following directions to the letter for setting up my DNS however when I attempt to restart the bind9 service I received the following errors... # /etc/init.d/bind9 restart * Stopping domain name service... bind9 rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused [ OK ] * Starting domain name service... bind9 [fail] The tutorial i am following notes that upon error I should check /var/log/syslog for errors where i found the following Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening on 127.0.0.1#953 Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening on ::1#953 Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: couldn't open pid file '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': No such file or directory Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: exiting (due to early fatal error) question will the following solve my problem or make it worse? mk /var/run/bind/run/named.pid thanks Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 11:07:12 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Sep 5 11:07:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 In-Reply-To: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, redpill wrote: > The tutorial i am following notes that upon error I should > check /var/log/syslog for errors where i found the following > > Sep ?5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening on > 127.0.0.1#953 > Sep ?5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening > on ::1#953 > Sep ?5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: couldn't open pid file > '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': No such file or directory > Sep ?5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: exiting (due to early fatal error) > > question will the following solve my problem or make it worse? > > mk /var/run/bind/run/named.pid Todd, creating /var/run/bind/run should solve your problem. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 5 11:16:46 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sat Sep 5 11:16:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252167406.19433.20.camel@redpill-laptop> On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 11:07 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, redpill wrote: > > > The tutorial i am following notes that upon error I should > > check /var/log/syslog for errors where i found the following > > > > Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening on > > 127.0.0.1#953 > > Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: command channel listening > > on ::1#953 > > Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: couldn't open pid file > > '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': No such file or directory > > Sep 5 10:53:25 r3d91ll named[4010]: exiting (due to early fatal error) > > > > question will the following solve my problem or make it worse? > > > > mk /var/run/bind/run/named.pid > > Todd, creating /var/run/bind/run should solve your problem. > thanks for the quick response Jeremy, I thought it was best to ask. I did what you said and now I am getting a permission error. So naturally I changed the ownership to bind (chmod -R bind:bind /var/run/bind/run) as well and then chmod 666 /var/run/bind/run. yet, I am still getting a permission error when i try to start bind9. any ideas? regards Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 11:39:24 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Sep 5 11:39:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 In-Reply-To: <1252167406.19433.20.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> <1252167406.19433.20.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909050939h5aed79b7sae720f951a8f9f0a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM, redpill wrote: > thanks for the quick response Jeremy, I thought it was best to ask. ?I > did what you said and now I am getting a permission error. So naturally > I changed the ownership to bind (chmod -R bind:bind /var/run/bind/run) > as well and then chmod 666 /var/run/bind/run. yet, I am still getting a > permission error when i try to start bind9. > any ideas? The bind user and group should be "named" not bind. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 5 11:56:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sat Sep 5 11:56:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909050939h5aed79b7sae720f951a8f9f0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> <1252167406.19433.20.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050939h5aed79b7sae720f951a8f9f0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252169808.19433.29.camel@redpill-laptop> On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 11:39 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM, redpill wrote: > > > thanks for the quick response Jeremy, I thought it was best to ask. I > > did what you said and now I am getting a permission error. So naturally > > I changed the ownership to bind (chmod -R bind:bind /var/run/bind/run) > > as well and then chmod 666 /var/run/bind/run. yet, I am still getting a > > permission error when i try to start bind9. > > any ideas? > > The bind user and group should be "named" not bind. > I tried chown -R named:named /var/run/bind/run and I get an invalid user. should i create this user? or should I save myself the further headache and just reinstall? Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 5 11:59:26 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sat Sep 5 11:59:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] help setting up a DNS server with bind9 In-Reply-To: <1252169808.19433.29.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1252166297.19433.14.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050907h47a0973dy611ad02fe79f19fd@mail.gmail.com> <1252167406.19433.20.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0909050939h5aed79b7sae720f951a8f9f0a@mail.gmail.com> <1252169808.19433.29.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1252169966.19433.31.camel@redpill-laptop> On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 11:56 -0500, redpill wrote: > On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 11:39 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM, redpill wrote: > > > > > thanks for the quick response Jeremy, I thought it was best to ask. I > > > did what you said and now I am getting a permission error. So naturally > > > I changed the ownership to bind (chmod -R bind:bind /var/run/bind/run) > > > as well and then chmod 666 /var/run/bind/run. yet, I am still getting a > > > permission error when i try to start bind9. > > > any ideas? > > > > The bind user and group should be "named" not bind. > > > I tried chown -R named:named /var/run/bind/run and I get an invalid > user. should i create this user? or should I save myself the further > headache and just reinstall? > > Todd > you know what never mind. I gotta get this up and running, Ill do it the tried and true way and be more wary of tutorial from the hot-to-forge in the future thanks for the help Todd From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 13:52:45 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Sep 5 13:52:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please In-Reply-To: <20090904083548.82796BA3@resin10.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090904083548.82796BA3@resin10.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909051152q215fd79ck22c6cffc5776e559@mail.gmail.com> My company can take care of that .. Shoot an email to jjones@ctiusa.com and copy me (hpugsley@ctiusa.com). Our closest office is Austin but our wireless technology manager is based there so you would be in good hands :) -Henry On 9/4/09, Nathan wrote: > No, hot spots are not part of the current needs, only a wireless link to two > areas were it is not practical to run wire. > > Once more, we need someone to handle the whole installation from start to > finish so we are not spending our time explaining what we want to someone > new every other day. > > Nathan > > --- ftm@satx.rr.com wrote: > > From: "Doug" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG]WIFI help please > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:47:22 -0500 > > Another resource would be to contact the IT department at northwest Vista > College who has installed WIFI on 100% of their campus, including all > classrooms and common areas as well. They could put you in touch with the > entities that did the work or even refer you to one or more of their best > and brightest students that know how to do that kind of work. I assume you > are talking about wireless "hotspots" in multiple locations in your > facility. > > Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:31 AM > Subject: [SATLUG]WIFI help please > > >>I have contacted several companies in the SA area and asked for help in >>designing and installing a wireless link between 2, at most 3 points at the >> >>Texas Transportation Museum. Not one of them has shown up on the day they >>say they were going to stop and look at what we wanted. >> >> We are not looking for a hand out. We are willing to pay for the expert >> to do the job right. We have money in our budget, We do not know if it is >> >> enough because we have not been able to get anyone to get us even a >> ball-park price. >> >> If you have reasonable experience with wireless systems and would like to >> do the job please contact me. I am at the museum most Saturdays and >> Sundays. The museum is open most Thursdays and Fridays and I can be there >> >> then if needed. >> >> Nathan >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 15:11:51 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:11:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers Message-ID: I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ From dinger at dingernet.com Sat Sep 5 15:38:00 2009 From: dinger at dingernet.com (dinger@dingernet.com) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:38:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive Message-ID: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't fix it it wouldn't be the $300. Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? From rjw6844 at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 15:43:48 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (rjw6844@gmail.com) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:43:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive Message-ID: <1173621028-1252183388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-161868740-@bda044.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> There's a place in San Antonio near 410 and Fredericksburg, I'll look it up and give you the number ------Original Message------ From: dinger@dingernet.com Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive Sent: Sep 5, 2009 3:38 PM My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't fix it it wouldn't be the $300. Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From satlug at net153.net Sat Sep 5 17:04:18 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Sep 5 17:04:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> References: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> Message-ID: <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> dinger@dingernet.com wrote: > My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to > mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities > from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do > anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place > in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't > fix it it wouldn't be the $300. > > Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? > I don't know what the symptoms are but you could try buying a used one from ebay with the same model number. And then you could try and swap the controller boards on the bottom out. Of course this would only work if the circuit board is the problem, not if the motor inside is just wore out. Sam From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 4 21:58:49 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sat Sep 5 18:00:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> References: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> Message-ID: I haven't tried it, but there are a few you-tube videos on how to do your own data recovery, including taking the covers off and making sure the heads move, moving the spindles to a new drive, things like that. But like I said, I hadn't tried it and it makes me question whether or not the drives are vacuum sealed or just dust sealed inside. Might be worth a try if you are willing to try it and don't have the money to pay someone else to get the data off... Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Leon Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:04 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive dinger@dingernet.com wrote: > My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to > mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities > from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do > anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place > in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't > fix it it wouldn't be the $300. > > Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? > I don't know what the symptoms are but you could try buying a used one from ebay with the same model number. And then you could try and swap the controller boards on the bottom out. Of course this would only work if the circuit board is the problem, not if the motor inside is just wore out. Sam -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.13.73/2338 - Release Date: 08/31/09 17:52:00 From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 5 19:31:45 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:31:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> Message-ID: <4AA302F1.8000407@satx.rr.com> The typical flying height of the read/write heads is only a fraction of the size of a typical particle of dust, so contamination is probably the biggest risk of opening the drive housing yourself. The damage that could be done if some dust gets inside the drive (and it's a near certainty that some will get in there) is the kind that can cause physical damage to the surfaces of the platters and/or the heads, making the chance of data recovery that much lower. Unless you have no other options, I'd recommend against it. Al Lesmerises Richard Suberg wrote: > I haven't tried it, but there are a few you-tube videos on how to do your > own data recovery, including taking the covers off and making sure the heads > move, moving the spindles to a new drive, things like that. But like I > said, I hadn't tried it and it makes me question whether or not the drives > are vacuum sealed or just dust sealed inside. Might be worth a try if you > are willing to try it and don't have the money to pay someone else to get > the data off... > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Samuel Leon > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:04 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive > > dinger@dingernet.com wrote: > >> My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to >> mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities >> from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do >> anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place >> in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't >> fix it it wouldn't be the $300. >> >> Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price >> > range? > > > I don't know what the symptoms are but you could try buying a used one > from ebay with the same model number. And then you could try and swap > the controller boards on the bottom out. Of course this would only work > if the circuit board is the problem, not if the motor inside is just > wore out. > > Sam > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Sep 5 19:36:46 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:36:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> Message-ID: <442780.17463.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I agree. how important is your data? you willing to spend a few hundred? if not then take it apart and do it yourself. i've done it once for myself and twice for two customers. luckily mine was the circuit board all 3 times. Samuel Leon wrote: > dinger@dingernet.com wrote: >> My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to >> mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities >> from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do >> anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place >> in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't >> fix it it wouldn't be the $300. >> >> Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? >> > I don't know what the symptoms are but you could try buying a used one from ebay with the same model number. And then you could try and swap the controller boards on the bottom out. Of course this would only work if the circuit board is the problem, not if the motor inside is just wore out. > Sam > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 19:36:52 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:36:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4AA302F1.8000407@satx.rr.com> References: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> <4AA2E062.7060109@net153.net> <4AA302F1.8000407@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10909051736h190d7cf7i28f634e956215757@mail.gmail.com> My Firefox had this url at the top when I read the message, is interesting... http://www.lowcostrecovery.com/pricing.html wonder how realistic it really is at the prices quoted. Agreed with you Al, unless you have a 'Clean Room' I'd never open the case on a hard drive, unless it was toast and just curious what it looks like.. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > The typical flying height of the read/write heads is only a fraction of the > size of a typical particle of dust, so contamination is probably the biggest > risk of opening the drive housing yourself. The damage that could be done > if some dust gets inside the drive (and it's a near certainty that some will > get in there) is the kind that can cause physical damage to the surfaces of > the platters and/or the heads, making the chance of data recovery that much > lower. Unless you have no other options, I'd recommend against it. > > Al Lesmerises > > > > Richard Suberg wrote: > >> I haven't tried it, but there are a few you-tube videos on how to do your >> own data recovery, including taking the covers off and making sure the >> heads >> move, moving the spindles to a new drive, things like that. But like I >> said, I hadn't tried it and it makes me question whether or not the drives >> are vacuum sealed or just dust sealed inside. Might be worth a try if you >> are willing to try it and don't have the money to pay someone else to get >> the data off... >> >> Richard >> http://www.kevinspitcrew.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Samuel Leon >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:04 PM >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive >> >> dinger@dingernet.com wrote: >> >> >>> My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to >>> mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities >>> from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do >>> anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place >>> in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they >>> couldn't >>> fix it it wouldn't be the $300. >>> >>> Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price >>> >>> >> range? >> >> I don't know what the symptoms are but you could try buying a used one >> from ebay with the same model number. And then you could try and swap the >> controller boards on the bottom out. Of course this would only work if the >> circuit board is the problem, not if the motor inside is just wore out. >> >> Sam >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 21:10:05 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Sep 5 21:10:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200909052110.05450.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 05 September 2009 15:11:51 Christopher Lemire wrote: > I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My > blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. > I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. > > http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ > > Does one need to subscribe to photobucket to see any screenshots? From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 21:20:24 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Sep 5 21:20:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200909052120.25117.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 05 September 2009 15:11:51 Christopher Lemire wrote: > I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My > blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. > I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. > > http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ > > A mirror with the images available: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 21:30:34 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Sep 5 21:30:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Broken Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> References: <12fad0cb6228b67646b0fde5f03d162a.squirrel@webmail.dingernet.com> Message-ID: <200909052130.35182.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 05 September 2009 15:38:00 dinger@dingernet.com wrote: > My dad's hard drive stopped working 2 weeks ago. I couldn't get it to > mount with the System Rescue Live CD and wasn't able to use any utilities > from the Ultimate Boot CD. He took it to Altex and they couldn't do > anything with it either. They gave him the name of a data recovery place > in Austin and said it would run between $300-$1400 and since they couldn't > fix it it wouldn't be the $300. > > Anyone know of any alternatives? Does this sound like the right price range? > > Double wrap the drive in ziplock bags, squeezing out any extra air. Put the drive into a freezer for a few hours to get as cold as possible. Then use a IDE/SATA-to-USB2 adapter to attach the drive to a linux system with ntfs-3g driver support (Mandriva One live CD will work). See if the drive mounts and you can copy data from it. From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 5 22:27:42 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sat Sep 5 22:27:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01ca2ea1$ff0c77e0$fd2567a0$@net> I fed your fish. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Lemire Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 3:12 PM To: The San Antonio Texas Linux User Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 00:13:51 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Sep 6 00:14:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: <000f01ca2ea1$ff0c77e0$fd2567a0$@net> References: <000f01ca2ea1$ff0c77e0$fd2567a0$@net> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Michael Sellers wrote: > I fed your fish. > Lol, Thanks. I forget to feed them too often. My slideshow is random pictures of San Antonio from flickr cuz I HATE Houston, and I want to move back. I should be back within a year. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 00:15:41 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Sep 6 00:16:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: <200909052110.05450.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200909052110.05450.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, John D Choate wrote: > On Saturday 05 September 2009 15:11:51 Christopher Lemire wrote: >> I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My >> blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. >> I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. >> >> http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ >> >> > > > Does one need to subscribe to photobucket to see any screenshots? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I am fixing that right now. It should be FINE in about 20 minutes. I didn't use photobucket. The BestBuy worker I quoted uses photobucket. I re-uploaded his pictures to imageshack.us as I do with all my pictures, and have no problems with them. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ My PHPbb3 Forum will be back online soon. I just found high a high bandwidth connection. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 02:42:15 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Sep 6 02:42:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Apology Message-ID: Sorry about the bandwidth exceeded messages. With approx 200 hits to my website in one evening, I overloaded that guy's photobucket account. I now have the pictures posted at a reliable source, so now you may check out my blog at http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com Soon I will have screencasts of installing Linux with raid 0 and automated rsync backups. Also I will have a screencast with Backtrack 4 Linux. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ San Antonio Asperger's and Autism Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wrongplanet From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 10:11:13 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 6 10:11:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? Message-ID: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> Hi, My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron?u Would you pls let me know which card we should get? Is there one that will work out of the box w/p having to be an engineer to make it work? Thanks a lot! c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From pjcrux at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 10:24:01 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Sun Sep 6 10:24:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Unknown Device XXXX and Analog Cable Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909060824n578099d3ya0a780cada28a3b9@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I have two Hauppauge cards one is a PVR-150 and another is an HVR-1600. Both when I run lspci -v return the following: 01:04.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 7400 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: cx18 Kernel modules: cx18 01:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 37f1 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17 Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ivtv Kernel modules: ivtv However, I don't know what the "Unknown Device XXXX" means. Is this code missing in the drivers or something else? Also, the wife and I have analog cable coming into the house and both cards don't recognize channels 33-60 from Time Warner Cable. All of my Analog TV's in the house have no issues but for some reason both cards cannot recognize the channels. Any thoughts? Peter -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 6 12:22:52 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Sep 6 12:22:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you Message-ID: <200909061722.n86HMqUX021365@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you > > Hi...I > > don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably > > spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is > > home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, > > even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water > > running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T > > DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide > > open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! > > First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you > > know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out > > together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other > > option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on > > all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly > > don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us > > prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this > > to as many people as you can. > > It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie Here is what happened to me: while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. Thank god they didn't just break in. I hope they catch these crooks soon. -Borries From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 12:59:24 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 6 12:59:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <200909061722.n86HMqUX021365@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200909061722.n86HMqUX021365@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909061059r543bd29g29278325b2784c2a@mail.gmail.com> borroes...this really happened to you? the reason i ask is because it sounds so much like a hoax...c On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you > > > Hi...I > > > don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably > > > spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is > > > home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, > > > even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water > > > running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T > > > DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide > > > open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! > > > First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you > > > know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out > > > together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other > > > option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on > > > all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly > > > don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us > > > prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this > > > to as many people as you can. > > > It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie > > Here is what happened to me: > > while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, > they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. > Thank god they didn't just break in. > > I hope they catch these crooks soon. > > -Borries > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Sep 6 13:21:54 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Sep 6 13:22:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909061059r543bd29g29278325b2784c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > borroes...this really happened to you? the reason i ask is because it > sounds so much like a hoax...c The $470 waterbill was unfortunately not a hoax, and neither was the water damage. SAWS refused to reduce the bill or grant a refund of their fees. We filed an SAPD police report and were told this was happening all around town, and today I received an explanation from this Janie of why they are doing this. It is not just criminal mischief, it is an attempt to intrude into your house. I am sharing this on this list in hopes that it will help you prevent being victimized by these guys. -Borries > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Borries Demeler < > demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you > > > > Hi...I > > > > don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably > > > > spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is > > > > home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, > > > > even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water > > > > running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T > > > > DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide > > > > open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! > > > > First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you > > > > know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out > > > > together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other > > > > option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on > > > > all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly > > > > don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us > > > > prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this > > > > to as many people as you can. > > > > It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie > > > > Here is what happened to me: > > > > while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, > > they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. > > Thank god they didn't just break in. > > > > I hope they catch these crooks soon. > > > > -Borries > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 13:28:37 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 6 13:28:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7e4994a70909061059r543bd29g29278325b2784c2a@mail.gmail.com> <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909061128qca795aex6b151cc0ffd78440@mail.gmail.com> thank you borries. i didn't mean to offend you by asking if this happened to you...that makes it real...c On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > borroes...this really happened to you? the reason i ask is because it > > sounds so much like a hoax...c > > The $470 waterbill was unfortunately not a hoax, and neither was the water > damage. > SAWS refused to reduce the bill or grant a refund of their fees. We filed > an SAPD > police report and were told this was happening all around town, and today I > received > an explanation from this Janie of why they are doing this. It is not just > criminal > mischief, it is an attempt to intrude into your house. > > I am sharing this on this list in hopes that it will help you prevent being > victimized by these guys. > > -Borries > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Borries Demeler < > > demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you > > > > > Hi...I > > > > > don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably > > > > > spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing > is > > > > > home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor > faucets, > > > > > even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water > > > > > running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. > DON'T > > > > > DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide > > > > > open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! > > > > > First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors > you > > > > > know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go > out > > > > > together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other > > > > > option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned > on > > > > > all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly > > > > > don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making > us > > > > > prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward > this > > > > > to as many people as you can. > > > > > It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie > > > > > > Here is what happened to me: > > > > > > while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, > > > they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. > > > Thank god they didn't just break in. > > > > > > I hope they catch these crooks soon. > > > > > > -Borries > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 6 14:02:18 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:02:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi >service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. > >She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have >any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron? From comments on Newegg.com, many of the cheapest PCI (for desktops) and USB (for laptops) wireless adapters use the Ralink/Realtek chipsets that are supported in recent Linux kernels. You can get a decent one for less than $20. Some additional comments about wireless and Free software are here[1]. Look at the comments for how well they work in general or other issues, but you can ignore the ones where Windows users don't know how to update the drivers. You should get an adapter with WPA2 (security) support. PCI cards that use an external antenna on a short cable seem to work better than those that connect directly to the back of the PC, as you have more choice in where you place the antenna for the best signal. You may want to update to the 8.04.3 Hardy LTS point release if you haven't been doing the regular security/bug-fix updates. This should get you a later kernel with better wireless support. I think this[2] is the one I got from Altex for the SATLUG show server, an old Dell OptiPlex GX1. Today I'd get a similar[3] one for half the price from Newegg. --Don [1] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html [2] ConnectGear WP440G 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCI Adapter http://www.altex.com/ConnectGear-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter-WP440G-P142207C10871.aspx [3] Rosewill RNX-G300EX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166020 -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 14:31:19 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:31:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7e4994a70909061059r543bd29g29278325b2784c2a@mail.gmail.com> <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909061231g6657c1dah1a4f62af79d06a1d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: >> >> borroes...this really happened to you? ?the reason i ask is because it >> sounds so much like a hoax...c > > The $470 waterbill was unfortunately not a hoax, and neither was the water damage. > SAWS refused to reduce the bill or grant a refund of their fees. We filed an SAPD > police report and were told this was happening all around town, and today I received > an explanation from this Janie of why they are doing this. It is not just criminal > mischief, it is an attempt to intrude into your house. > > I am sharing this on this list in hopes that it will help you prevent being > victimized by these guys. > > -Borries I definitely believe the part about the water bill .. I had kids in my neighborhood down there go around turning on outside faucets and flooding yards. Happened to me once then I pulled all the handles off the faucets so they'd at least need to work at it (carry around pliers) to cause mischief. The rest of it sounds like one of those urban legends that get circulated in e-mail because everyone feels like they're doing the community a service by forwarding it along. I couldn't find any references in the news to people who were drawn out of their houses by running faucets and subsequently robbed or assaulted. This sounds like the "Wet Bandits" from Home Alone if you think about it, heh. I'm pretty sure 911 is going to be annoyed when they get flooded with calls that start with "my hose is running, I think I'm going to be robbed". Maybe your kid just forgot to turn it off? Stuff like this causes more harm than good, as it leads to a lot of "cry wolf" situations. Bottom line, use your head. If you think this is a problem, remove the faucet knobs/handles or put a lock box around them. Apartments and commercial buildings use valves that need special keys to operate so even pliers wouldn't work. Some people may even have inside shutoff valves for external faucets. Also, if you're going outside in the the night for any reason, you need to be aware of your surroundings and just pay attention. Heck, this goes for any time of the day. Be aware, be safe. -Henry From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 14:34:30 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:34:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7e4994a70909061059r543bd29g29278325b2784c2a@mail.gmail.com> <200909061821.n86ILscN023946@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909061234w3ae08451u198ef7ecd44e802b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: >> >> borroes...this really happened to you? ?the reason i ask is because it >> sounds so much like a hoax...c > > The $470 waterbill was unfortunately not a hoax, and neither was the water damage. > SAWS refused to reduce the bill or grant a refund of their fees. We filed an SAPD > police report and were told this was happening all around town, and today I received > an explanation from this Janie of why they are doing this. It is not just criminal > mischief, it is an attempt to intrude into your house. > > I am sharing this on this list in hopes that it will help you prevent being > victimized by these guys. > > -Borries > Also, if you're going to be out of town for more than a few days, it's not a bad idea to turn off your water heater and turn off the water supply at the utility meter. A pipe could burst just as easily as a hoodlum can turn on your faucet, and both have the same result. -Henry From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 14:38:43 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:39:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909061238t3f895ad0uf0da9980484da6fe@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the excellent advice Don. I will do this reading on the links and info you sent. I appreciate your help... I did call Tengo Wireless Internet support today..they told me the USB ctads work better on their system than the PCI cards..they like D Link but I need to use the one that will work with Linux/ Hardy. They also limit your use to 360mbs per day. Is that ow you say it? Any idea how much time that would convert too for Mom doing email, light surfing and reading the newspaper online? You like NewEgg as the place for us to buy the adaptor from? thanks again Don! c On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Don Wright wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi > >service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. > > > >She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have > >any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron? > > > From comments on Newegg.com, many of the cheapest PCI (for desktops) and > USB (for laptops) wireless adapters use the Ralink/Realtek chipsets that > are supported in recent Linux kernels. You can get a decent one for less > than $20. Some additional comments about wireless and Free software are > here[1]. > > Look at the comments for how well they work in general or other issues, > but you can ignore the ones where Windows users don't know how to update > the drivers. You should get an adapter with WPA2 (security) support. > > PCI cards that use an external antenna on a short cable seem to work > better than those that connect directly to the back of the PC, as you > have more choice in where you place the antenna for the best signal. > > You may want to update to the 8.04.3 Hardy LTS point release if you > haven't been doing the regular security/bug-fix updates. This should get > you a later kernel with better wireless support. > > I think this[2] is the one I got from Altex for the SATLUG show server, > an old Dell OptiPlex GX1. Today I'd get a similar[3] one for half the > price from Newegg. --Don > > > [1] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html > > [2] ConnectGear WP440G 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCI Adapter > > http://www.altex.com/ConnectGear-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter-WP440G-P142207C10871.aspx > > [3] Rosewill RNX-G300EX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166020 > > -- > Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of > getting drunk. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Sep 6 15:00:17 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sun Sep 6 15:00:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Unknown Device XXXX and Analog Cable In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909060824n578099d3ya0a780cada28a3b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909060824n578099d3ya0a780cada28a3b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252267217.14641.5.camel@redpill-laptop> sorry dont really know about that it does look a bit unussual. Your cards though should work just fine under most distro's. I have a PVR 500 (which is two 150's on the same board) and have never had a problem with it. I also have a HVR -1800 which was not workable for me until October or '08. I belive that is when support for most of the HVR's became available under Ubuntu. eitherway here is the output from my mythbox with the HVR-1800 hope it helps lspci -v 02:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. Device 8880 (rev 0f) Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Device 7801 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at fd800000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] Capabilities: Kernel driver in use: cx23885 Kernel modules: cx23885 Todd On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 10:24 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, > I have two Hauppauge cards one is a PVR-150 and another is an HVR-1600. Both > when I run lspci -v return the following: > > 01:04.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 > Single-Chip > MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder > Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 7400 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 > Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data > Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2 > Kernel driver in use: cx18 > Kernel modules: cx18 > > 01:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 > (CX23416) > MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) > Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 37f1 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17 > Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 > Kernel driver in use: ivtv > Kernel modules: ivtv > > However, I don't know what the "Unknown Device XXXX" means. Is this code > missing in the drivers or something else? Also, the wife and I have analog > cable coming into the house and both cards don't recognize channels 33-60 > from Time Warner Cable. All of my Analog TV's in the house have no issues > but for some reason both cards cannot recognize the channels. > > Any thoughts? > > Peter > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 6 16:27:59 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Sep 6 16:27:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Printer question Message-ID: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> I need to find a new printer to replace the HP LJ III that recently died on me, and I figured it might be advantageous to choose one that could be converted to use those large (external) bottles of ink. Anyone who's been to the computer show in the past few years has probably seen that vendor with one of the modified printers doing demos for the crowd. Whoever that guy is, he wasn't at the last computer show, and I don't the name of that business. Does anyone remember the name of that company, or the name of anyone else that might have kits like that? FYI - in trouble-shooting my HP LJ III, I found a neat web site that actually seems to have some decent info for people looking to trouble-shoot and repair their own printers (and, of course, to sell you the parts you might need): http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ It helped me a lot, and I plan to bookmark it for future reference. Al Lesmerises From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 6 17:14:03 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 6 17:14:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909061238t3f895ad0uf0da9980484da6fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> <7e4994a70909061238t3f895ad0uf0da9980484da6fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:38:43 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: >I did call Tengo Wireless Internet support today..they told me the USB ctads >work better on their system than the PCI cards..they like D Link but I need >to use the one that will work with Linux/ Hardy. Most of what's available now is too new to be well-reported on the Linux wireless pages. I'm finding it tough researching current D-Link models. Will try to write more later. >They also limit your use to 360mbs per day. Is that ow you say it? Any >idea how much time that would convert too for Mom doing email, light surfing >and reading the newspaper online? Should be fine. Chances are this is 360 MB (megabytes) rather than mbps (mega_bits_ per second). The first is data transfer (about 1/2 a CD), the second would be a connection speed much faster than consumer wireless devices provide. Just for comparison, streaming video from NASA TV (www.nasa.gov) is about 50 megabytes per hour. Text and still pictures are tiny in comparison. Unless you expect to watch hours of TV online, this shouldn't be a problem - but be sure you get the real number! >You like NewEgg as the place for us to buy the adaptor from? I've been pleased with their service and find they have better price+shipping than most local sources. --Don -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 18:31:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 6 18:31:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <5dq7a55t763qsi34si64cggqkudf8fgtnl@4ax.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909061631q6034c3e7m154384a4954a891e@mail.gmail.com> Don, thank you very much! You're putting a lot of time and effort into this..I appreciate it very much... I have been also searching and found this...see below.. Mom is 74 and I don't want to deal with something I have to feel around with to make it work. I'm looking for something compatible top Hardy that will work right out of the box... To date, two cards are fully supported and have been confirmed to work "out of the box" with Ubuntu 8.04.1 (and Windows XP) on the Wind/Advent 4211: - The Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG(recommended) is available new for under $30. - The Atheros GN-WI01GTis available new for around $30. http://wiki.msiwind.net/index.php/Ubuntu_8.04_Hardy_Heron#Wireless: -- I don't have the knowledge to make something work and I am tied of trying too. Have already gone through that when she got a 3 g usb card that would never work and had to be initialized by a win pc which we never found anyone with a win pc to do for us. thanks again...c :o) On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Don Wright wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi > >service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. > > > >She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have > >any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron? > > > From comments on Newegg.com, many of the cheapest PCI (for desktops) and > USB (for laptops) wireless adapters use the Ralink/Realtek chipsets that > are supported in recent Linux kernels. You can get a decent one for less > than $20. Some additional comments about wireless and Free software are > here[1]. > > Look at the comments for how well they work in general or other issues, > but you can ignore the ones where Windows users don't know how to update > the drivers. You should get an adapter with WPA2 (security) support. > > PCI cards that use an external antenna on a short cable seem to work > better than those that connect directly to the back of the PC, as you > have more choice in where you place the antenna for the best signal. > > You may want to update to the 8.04.3 Hardy LTS point release if you > haven't been doing the regular security/bug-fix updates. This should get > you a later kernel with better wireless support. > > I think this[2] is the one I got from Altex for the SATLUG show server, > an old Dell OptiPlex GX1. Today I'd get a similar[3] one for half the > price from Newegg. --Don > > > [1] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html > > [2] ConnectGear WP440G 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCI Adapter > > http://www.altex.com/ConnectGear-Wireless-G-PCI-Adapter-WP440G-P142207C10871.aspx > > [3] Rosewill RNX-G300EX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166020 > > -- > Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of > getting drunk. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 19:09:15 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Sep 6 19:09:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <200909061722.n86HMqUX021365@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> if I hear something outside at night, the first thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks before I do. true story. Borries Demeler wrote: >> Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you >> > Hi...I >> > don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably >> > spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is >> > home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, >> > even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water >> > running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T >> > DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide >> > open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! >> > First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you >> > know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out >> > together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other >> > option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on >> > all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly >> > don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us >> > prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this >> > to as many people as you can. >> > It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie > Here is what happened to me: > while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, > they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. > Thank god they didn't just break in. > I hope they catch these crooks soon. > -Borries > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mkr777 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 22:07:40 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sun Sep 6 22:07:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Printer question In-Reply-To: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> References: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: For years and years I have used only lasers. They are trouble free and inexpensive to operate. And prices have dropped. You may want to take a look at them. My preference in HP since supplies are easy to get and reasonably priced recharged cartridges are available on-line. MKR On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I need to find a new printer to replace the HP LJ III that recently died on > me, and I figured it might be advantageous to choose one that could be > converted to use those large (external) bottles of ink. Anyone who's been > to the computer show in the past few years has probably seen that vendor > with one of the modified printers doing demos for the crowd. Whoever that > guy is, he wasn't at the last computer show, and I don't the name of that > business. > > Does anyone remember the name of that company, or the name of anyone else > that might have kits like that? > > FYI - in trouble-shooting my HP LJ III, I found a neat web site that > actually seems to have some decent info for people looking to trouble-shoot > and repair their own printers (and, of course, to sell you the parts you > might need): > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ > > It helped me a lot, and I plan to bookmark it for future reference. > > Al Lesmerises > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 6 22:40:29 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 6 22:40:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Printer question In-Reply-To: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> References: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Alan Lesmerises wrote: >I need to find a new printer to replace the HP LJ III that recently died >on me <...> I have bookmarked a guy from New Braunfels that repairs printers. Perhaps he can swap one for your old set. Unfortunately he hasn't been active lately on eBay, but email contact may still work. --Don http://myworld.ebay.com/greybeards_treasure -- When you see the Christmas Lights go up in the stores, you know Thanksg.. Hallo.., uh, *Labor Day* can't be far behind! From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Sep 7 00:04:57 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Sep 7 00:05:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Alex Bartonek wrote: > if I hear something outside at night, the first thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks before I do. true story. > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the same. > Borries Demeler wrote: >>> Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you >>>> Hi...I >>>> don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably >>>> spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is >>>> home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, >>>> even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water >>>> running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T >>>> DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide >>>> open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! >>>> First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you >>>> know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out >>>> together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other >>>> option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on >>>> all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly >>>> don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us >>>> prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this >>>> to as many people as you can. >>>> It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie >> Here is what happened to me: >> while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, >> they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. >> Thank god they didn't just break in. >> I hope they catch these crooks soon. >> -Borries >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKpJR5AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob/EcMAJwwsnAM5VcOLdudxNEAmHM8 f0u1re+372dbgkijKJ7BNiP0A6Qv7DsbCRUcPFVk/lKn+DyEQod1MfcjEf8tSF04 RARKpWmAPE9Rr6wvpndZ7faSTM+nTI20RFI5CJhPQIvTOlDuE695/CAbWH96cEDn YR4va5lcvnm6XJAOM4DTQLEj+i+LGFu+w9HdK6ri8ROFivV7txNika3bFBH6X27o /59vIGH81STAIESJzSZz1ZajuCymknyhyuHd8o9ym4oCO+WlJVZuk6zQEXwCtft6 PI80qZ3mtPAb7uoHIzr1FDTFjoJcsF5xlG/q6oVaGIw9vb1BnCJgd1tyFspRWcLA jyZF/GkzEu9xggRumn5j1Qn9NLvJ7WDQrf0AoiKpNks8h04LWmn+iw7f2lrED8zp eftVVYPLD2yQVdAx73Pyc0DD1NGzZU/tD0bV7FmHnUuSEfEtP5qnIvzaQQYsEU7U VSPeaKVvAsBxmT64RWDe+OEovKYIio0Wl0UG/Gg7lA== =03in -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From youcanlinux at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 01:17:04 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Mon Sep 7 01:17:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Printer question In-Reply-To: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> References: <4AA4295F.9010006@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: The site you mentioned is mainly about laserjet-type printers. A lot of people use inkjet technology. I've never owned a laserjet-type printer, but I'd be interested. I don't print much anyway. If you absolutely have to work with photographs and you have to have excellent print quality, and even if you have an inkjet printer under warranty, I would not recommend using third-party ink cartridges or media. You could void your warranty, you could ruin your printer. Maybe you don't care if you have a very inexpensive printer, but when you're spending > 1000 dollars on a printer, why take a chance ? > For years and years I have used only lasers. They are trouble free and inexpensive to operate. And prices have dropped. You may want to take a look at them. My preference in HP since supplies are easy to get and reasonably priced recharged cartridges are available on-line. MKR > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I need to find a new printer to replace the HP LJ III that recently died on > me, and I figured it might be advantageous to choose one that could be > converted to use those large (external) bottles of ink. Anyone who's been > to the computer show in the past few years has probably seen that vendor > with one of the modified printers doing demos for the crowd. Whoever that > guy is, he wasn't at the last computer show, and I don't the name of that > business. > > Does anyone remember the name of that company, or the name of anyone else > that might have kits like that? > > FYI - in trouble-shooting my HP LJ III, I found a neat web site that > actually seems to have some decent info for people looking to trouble-shoot > and repair their own printers (and, of course, to sell you the parts you > might need): > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/ > > It helped me a lot, and I plan to bookmark it for future reference. > > Al Lesmerises > From youcanlinux at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 01:33:01 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Mon Sep 7 01:33:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: printing issue on Tuesdays, issue seems to have been resolved Message-ID: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/248619 "This bug was introduced in file 4.20-4 (after dapper), and fixed in Debian file 5.01-1 ..." link below points to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, wrote: > The current RISKS Digest [1] states that ubuntu users may have an issue > with printing on Tuesdays. > > I kid you not. > > [1] http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.77.html > > Al Castanoli > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 7 07:55:28 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Sep 7 07:55:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> References: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Alex Bartonek wrote: >> if I hear something outside at night, the first thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks before I do. true story. >> > > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the same. > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to fight your way back to the rifle you should have had. I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are not quite right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared in other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis From ftm at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 7 08:08:29 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:09:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> References: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com><4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <77B7DE2D167F46F2B5F9C61845207F3D@control> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Myhand" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Alex Bartonek wrote: >>> if I hear something outside at night, the first thing I reach for is my >>> .45. it speaks before I do. true story. >>> >> >> I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the same. >> > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to fight your way > back to the rifle you should have had. I use a .40 S&W to speak up when > things are not quite right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared > in other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis > -- I tend to prefer a shotgun with birdshot or buckshot, whichever is handy at the moment. It seems to require less precision in the heat of the moment. But each to his own as you are kind of obligated to defend your own property and family by whatever means available, and dead perpetrators are sort of harmless. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 08:34:04 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:34:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: > From: Dennis Myhand > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > David Kowis wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > >> if I hear something outside at night, the first > thing I reach for is my .45.???it speaks > before I do.? true story. > >> > > > > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the > same. > > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to > fight your way back to the rifle you should have had.? > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are not quite > right.? Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared in > other ways besides OS-wise.? Peace, Dennis I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) From hc at lookcee.com Mon Sep 7 10:58:15 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Mon Sep 7 10:58:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA52D97.4030205@lookcee.com> > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) > We don't look for trouble but by golly when we're in it It's nice to know, that we can blow 900 rounds a minute. From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 11:28:56 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:28:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a question, and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up anything, I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. Glenn On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: > > > From: Dennis Myhand > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > > David Kowis wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > >> if I hear something outside at night, the first > > thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks > > before I do. true story. > > >> > > > > > > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the > > same. > > > > > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have had. > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are not quite > > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared in > > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 7 11:30:47 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:31:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA52D97.4030205@lookcee.com> References: <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA52D97.4030205@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4AA53537.4080406@suddenlink.net> Herb Cee wrote: > >> I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) >> I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) >> > We don't look for trouble > but by golly when we're in it > It's nice to know, that we can blow > 900 rounds a minute. > > According to Col. Cooper, One is all that is needed, with proper shot placement. The other 19 in the mag are nice to have for the original target's friends. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 7 11:33:25 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:33:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA535D5.6000108@suddenlink.net> country wrote: > Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a question, > and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up anything, > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > Glenn > Well, since it went to the list, allow an answer from an "outsider." AKs are nice, short, and reliable, as hell. I personally do not prefer the AR, unless it has been changed from gas impingement to gas piston. From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 11:35:50 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Sep 7 11:35:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA535D5.6000108@suddenlink.net> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> <4AA535D5.6000108@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <294cd3d10909070935k76136219pc53360f84894ca0a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about this going to the list... thank you, was just curious.. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > country wrote: > >> Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a >> question, >> and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long >> weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people >> would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up >> anything, >> I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. >> >> Glenn >> >> > Well, since it went to the list, allow an answer from an "outsider." AKs > are nice, short, and reliable, as hell. I personally do not prefer the AR, > unless it has been changed from gas impingement to gas piston. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From trunty at linuxismybff.com Mon Sep 7 13:43:11 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Mon Sep 7 13:43:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Because I can... (Evil black rifle owner/collector) On 9/7/09, country wrote: > Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a question, > and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up anything, > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > Glenn > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > >> >> >> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> > From: Dennis Myhand >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you >> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > >> > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM >> > David Kowis wrote: >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > Hash: SHA512 >> > > >> > > Alex Bartonek wrote: >> > >> if I hear something outside at night, the first >> > thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks >> > before I do. true story. >> > >> >> > > >> > > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the >> > same. >> > > >> > >> > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to >> > fight your way back to the rifle you should have had. >> > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are not quite >> > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared in >> > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis >> >> I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) >> I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > NATTC Memphis, 74 > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from my mobile device Travis Runty 210.370.7885 www.linuxismybff.com From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 14:11:14 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:11:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the market. Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and state that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. Enlighten me why a citizen shouldnt own an AK or AR. Sorry, just because you've been in the military and shot people before doesnt really carry weight as to why I shouldnt own an AK or AR. Give me legitimate reasons. I apoligize if I sound irritated (I am a little), but there are alot of uninformed and ignorant people whom I've had similiar discussions with. I go to the range quite a few times a month, I dis-assemble, modify and clean my arsenal myself. With my AR I'm a damn good shot at 100yds (with irons..havent tried anything beyond). Standing, with my Kel-Tec SU16C (not even a true AR, its my backup) I can squeeze a round between your eyes @ 50yds and feel very confident defending my family and belongings. With an AR and an AK, its not about surrender its about utter destruction of whomever is attacking my personal area. I want whatever weapon I can get that can put an end to the problem and keep myself/family out of harms way. Close quarters my .45 with Cor-bon or PDX (hollow point) isnt necessary with a .45 but, why not? :) -Alex --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: > From: country > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:28 AM > Alex, this is back channel to keep > the list clear of it, I have a question, > and want to precede it with a caviot? > ???I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not > understand why people > would want the AK or AR type weapons.? I"m not trying > to stirr up anything, > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > Glenn > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand > wrote: > > > > > From: Dennis Myhand > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to > assault you > > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > List" > > > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > > > David Kowis wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > >> if I hear something outside at night, > the first > > > thing I reach for is my .45.???it > speaks > > > before I do.? true story. > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think should such things happen to me, > it'd be the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only > used to > > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have > had. > > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are > not quite > > > right.? Good to see that some SATLUGers are > prepared in > > > other ways besides OS-wise.? Peace, Dennis > > > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed? > (legally)? :) > > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an > AR-15 though :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > NATTC Memphis, 74 > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 14:12:00 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:12:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909070935k76136219pc53360f84894ca0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <146652.30674.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> its ok.. its marked OT. People can delete it since they know its off topic :) --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: > From: country > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT >From SAPD - new way to assault you > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:35 AM > Sorry about this going to the > list...???thank you, was just curious.. > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > > > country wrote: > > > >> Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear > of it, I have a > >> question, > >> and want to precede it with a caviot? > ???I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > >> weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do > not understand why people > >> would want the AK or AR type weapons.? I"m > not trying to stirr up > >> anything, > >> I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this > thing. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >> > > Well, since it went to the list, allow an answer from > an "outsider." AKs > > are nice, short, and reliable, as hell.? I > personally do not prefer the AR, > > unless it has been changed from gas impingement to gas > piston. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > NATTC Memphis, 74 > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 14:13:19 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:13:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10909071213u2ffef8dciccc6aa8aa704442d@mail.gmail.com> I appologize to the list for this accidently going to the list. Alex, it was curiosity only, no judgements being made. The caviot of Namvet and gun owner was to let you know I own guns as well. Again, no judgements, curiousity and appology to the list for the slip here.. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, > Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? > > In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the market. > > Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I > shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and state > that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper > knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. > Enlighten me why a citizen shouldnt own an AK or AR. Sorry, just because > you've been in the military and shot people before doesnt really carry > weight as to why I shouldnt own an AK or AR. Give me legitimate reasons. I > apoligize if I sound irritated (I am a little), but there are alot of > uninformed and ignorant people whom I've had similiar discussions with. > > I go to the range quite a few times a month, I dis-assemble, modify and > clean my arsenal myself. With my AR I'm a damn good shot at 100yds (with > irons..havent tried anything beyond). Standing, with my Kel-Tec SU16C (not > even a true AR, its my backup) I can squeeze a round between your eyes @ > 50yds and feel very confident defending my family and belongings. With an > AR and an AK, its not about surrender its about utter destruction of > whomever is attacking my personal area. I want whatever weapon I can get > that can put an end to the problem and keep myself/family out of harms way. > Close quarters my .45 with Cor-bon or PDX (hollow point) isnt necessary > with a .45 but, why not? :) > > -Alex > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: > > > From: country > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:28 AM > > Alex, this is back channel to keep > > the list clear of it, I have a question, > > and want to precede it with a caviot > > I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not > > understand why people > > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying > > to stirr up anything, > > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > > > Glenn > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Dennis Myhand > > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to > > assault you > > > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > > List" > > > > > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > > > > David Kowis wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > >> if I hear something outside at night, > > the first > > > > thing I reach for is my .45. it > > speaks > > > > before I do. true story. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I think should such things happen to me, > > it'd be the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only > > used to > > > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have > > had. > > > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are > > not quite > > > > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are > > prepared in > > > > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis > > > > > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed > > (legally) :) > > > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an > > AR-15 though :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > > NATTC Memphis, 74 > > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From satlug at net153.net Mon Sep 7 14:49:08 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Sep 7 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909071213u2ffef8dciccc6aa8aa704442d@mail.gmail.com> References: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909071213u2ffef8dciccc6aa8aa704442d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA563B4.5070405@net153.net> country wrote: > I appologize to the list for this accidently going to the list. Alex, it > was curiosity only, no judgements being made. The caviot of Namvet and gun > owner was to let you know I own guns as well. > > Again, no judgements, curiousity and appology to the list for the slip > here.. > The ak is a good gun from what I hear. A few years ago they were selling very cheaply. I think I had a relative buy one and several thousand rounds all for less than $2000. As for me I don't have any guns. I just usually stick with iptables for my protection and fun. Sam From jerosejr at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 15:13:56 2009 From: jerosejr at gmail.com (Joe Rose) Date: Mon Sep 7 15:14:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6773fb430909071313p7e59f66bk741711f71a8d2895@mail.gmail.com> Alex, Did you read the original email completely? There was no judgement or lack of respect from his emailed question. Geez dude - - - On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, > Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? > > In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the market. > > Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I > shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and state > that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper > knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. > Enlighten me why a citizen shouldnt own an AK or AR. Sorry, just because > you've been in the military and shot people before doesnt really carry > weight as to why I shouldnt own an AK or AR. Give me legitimate reasons. I > apoligize if I sound irritated (I am a little), but there are alot of > uninformed and ignorant people whom I've had similiar discussions with. > > I go to the range quite a few times a month, I dis-assemble, modify and > clean my arsenal myself. With my AR I'm a damn good shot at 100yds (with > irons..havent tried anything beyond). Standing, with my Kel-Tec SU16C (not > even a true AR, its my backup) I can squeeze a round between your eyes @ > 50yds and feel very confident defending my family and belongings. With an > AR and an AK, its not about surrender its about utter destruction of > whomever is attacking my personal area. I want whatever weapon I can get > that can put an end to the problem and keep myself/family out of harms way. > Close quarters my .45 with Cor-bon or PDX (hollow point) isnt necessary > with a .45 but, why not? :) > > -Alex > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: > > > From: country > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:28 AM > > Alex, this is back channel to keep > > the list clear of it, I have a question, > > and want to precede it with a caviot > > I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not > > understand why people > > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying > > to stirr up anything, > > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > > > Glenn > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Dennis Myhand > > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to > > assault you > > > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > > List" > > > > > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > > > > David Kowis wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > >> if I hear something outside at night, > > the first > > > > thing I reach for is my .45. it > > speaks > > > > before I do. true story. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I think should such things happen to me, > > it'd be the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only > > used to > > > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have > > had. > > > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are > > not quite > > > > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are > > prepared in > > > > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis > > > > > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed > > (legally) :) > > > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an > > AR-15 though :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > > NATTC Memphis, 74 > > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 7 16:03:29 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:03:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <6773fb430909071313p7e59f66bk741711f71a8d2895@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <362375.9748.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I saw nothing wrong with my reply. maybe I didn't use enough smilies or something. :) :) country: you're a-ok in my book. :) Joe Rose wrote: > Alex, > Did you read the original email completely? There was no judgement or lack > of respect from his emailed question. > Geez dude - - - > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: >> I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, >> Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? >> >> In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the market. >> >> Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I >> shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and state >> that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper >> knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. >> Enlighten me why a citizen shouldnt own an AK or AR. Sorry, just because >> you've been in the military and shot people before doesnt really carry >> weight as to why I shouldnt own an AK or AR. Give me legitimate reasons. I >> apoligize if I sound irritated (I am a little), but there are alot of >> uninformed and ignorant people whom I've had similiar discussions with. >> >> I go to the range quite a few times a month, I dis-assemble, modify and >> clean my arsenal myself. With my AR I'm a damn good shot at 100yds (with >> irons..havent tried anything beyond). Standing, with my Kel-Tec SU16C (not >> even a true AR, its my backup) I can squeeze a round between your eyes @ >> 50yds and feel very confident defending my family and belongings. With an >> AR and an AK, its not about surrender its about utter destruction of >> whomever is attacking my personal area. I want whatever weapon I can get >> that can put an end to the problem and keep myself/family out of harms way. >> Close quarters my .45 with Cor-bon or PDX (hollow point) isnt necessary >> with a .45 but, why not? :) >> >> -Alex >> >> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: >> >> > From: country >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you >> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > >> > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:28 AM >> > Alex, this is back channel to keep >> > the list clear of it, I have a question, >> > and want to precede it with a caviot >> > I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long >> > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not >> > understand why people >> > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying >> > to stirr up anything, >> > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. >> > >> > Glenn >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > From: Dennis Myhand >> > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to >> > assault you >> > > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing >> > List" > > > > >> > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM >> > > > David Kowis wrote: >> > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > > > Hash: SHA512 >> > > > > >> > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: >> > > > >> if I hear something outside at night, >> > the first >> > > > thing I reach for is my .45. it >> > speaks >> > > > before I do. true story. >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > I think should such things happen to me, >> > it'd be the >> > > > same. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only >> > used to >> > > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have >> > had. >> > > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are >> > not quite >> > > > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are >> > prepared in >> > > > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis >> > > >> > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed >> > (legally) :) >> > > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an >> > AR-15 though :) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SATLUG mailing list >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> > manage/unsubscribe >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 >> > Ft. Devens '65-'66 >> > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 >> > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 >> > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 >> > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 >> > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 >> > NATTC Memphis, 74 >> > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 >> > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 >> > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 >> > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 >> > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 >> > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> > manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 16:06:51 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Sep 7 16:06:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <362375.9748.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <6773fb430909071313p7e59f66bk741711f71a8d2895@mail.gmail.com> <362375.9748.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10909071406y6cf156d2he79e1da4229c1fe3@mail.gmail.com> No problem, the entire situation was caused by my not paying attention to what I was doing and not sending it back channel, though I intended to. grin... Lets get back to Linux, grin, Ohhh for those that did not miss me (I'm real quiet on the list) I was in TN for a year and am back here to stay now.. Glenn On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I saw nothing wrong with my reply. maybe I didn't use enough smilies or > something. :) :) > > country: you're a-ok in my book. :) > > Joe Rose wrote: > > Alex, > > Did you read the original email completely? There was no judgement or > lack > > of respect from his emailed question. > > Geez dude - - - > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Alex Bartonek > > wrote: > >> I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, > >> Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? > >> > >> In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the > market. > >> > >> Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I > >> shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and > state > >> that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper > >> knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. > >> Enlighten me why a citizen shouldnt own an AK or AR. Sorry, just > because > >> you've been in the military and shot people before doesnt really carry > >> weight as to why I shouldnt own an AK or AR. Give me legitimate > reasons. I > >> apoligize if I sound irritated (I am a little), but there are alot of > >> uninformed and ignorant people whom I've had similiar discussions with. > >> > >> I go to the range quite a few times a month, I dis-assemble, modify and > >> clean my arsenal myself. With my AR I'm a damn good shot at 100yds > (with > >> irons..havent tried anything beyond). Standing, with my Kel-Tec SU16C > (not > >> even a true AR, its my backup) I can squeeze a round between your eyes > @ > >> 50yds and feel very confident defending my family and belongings. With > an > >> AR and an AK, its not about surrender its about utter destruction of > >> whomever is attacking my personal area. I want whatever weapon I can > get > >> that can put an end to the problem and keep myself/family out of harms > way. > >> Close quarters my .45 with Cor-bon or PDX (hollow point) isnt necessary > >> with a .45 but, why not? :) > >> > >> -Alex > >> > >> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, country wrote: > >> > >> > From: country > >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you > >> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" < > satlug@satlug.org > >> > > >> > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:28 AM > >> > Alex, this is back channel to keep > >> > the list clear of it, I have a question, > >> > and want to precede it with a caviot > >> > I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > >> > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not > >> > understand why people > >> > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying > >> > to stirr up anything, > >> > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > >> > > >> > Glenn > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > From: Dennis Myhand > >> > > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to > >> > assault you > >> > > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing > >> > List" >> > > > > >> > > > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM > >> > > > David Kowis wrote: > >> > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > > > > Hash: SHA512 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > >> > > > >> if I hear something outside at night, > >> > the first > >> > > > thing I reach for is my .45. it > >> > speaks > >> > > > before I do. true story. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I think should such things happen to me, > >> > it'd be the > >> > > > same. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > You do realize that the pistol you keep is only > >> > used to > >> > > > fight your way back to the rifle you should have > >> > had. > >> > > > I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are > >> > not quite > >> > > > right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are > >> > prepared in > >> > > > other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis > >> > > > >> > > I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed > >> > (legally) :) > >> > > I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an > >> > AR-15 though :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > SATLUG mailing list > >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > >> > manage/unsubscribe > >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ft. Leonard Wood '65 > >> > Ft. Devens '65-'66 > >> > 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 > >> > HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 > >> > 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 > >> > 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 > >> > 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 > >> > NATTC Memphis, 74 > >> > VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 > >> > AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 > >> > NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 > >> > NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 > >> > HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 > >> > HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SATLUG mailing list > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > >> > manage/unsubscribe > >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 7 19:50:55 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Mon Sep 7 19:50:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA535D5.6000108@suddenlink.net> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> <4AA535D5.6000108@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1252371055.21578.5.camel@redpill-laptop> if in a place where pmcs on your firearm is not possible..gimme the AK, that said it has a nice kick and pulls up when firing in auto. The AR (or m-16 A1-a2) needs to be cleaned regularly in order to be reliable. the AR class however is generally a much more accurate especially at 200 plus meters. (now watch me segway) so like your flavor of Linux it depends on your needs and environment. Todd On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 11:33 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: > country wrote: > > Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a question, > > and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people > > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up anything, > > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > > > Glenn > > > > Well, since it went to the list, allow an answer from an "outsider." > AKs are nice, short, and reliable, as hell. I personally do not prefer > the AR, unless it has been changed from gas impingement to gas piston. From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 20:27:32 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:27:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA5B304.9010004@gmail.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive Hummers, Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the job done? > > In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the market. > > Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet says I shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type comment and state that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a weapon? With the proper knowledge, anyone should be able to own any type of handgun or rifle. +1 ~Nate From hc at lookcee.com Mon Sep 7 21:46:12 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:46:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA5B304.9010004@gmail.com> References: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA5B304.9010004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA5C574.5090006@lookcee.com> The flu can assault you also So remember For bird flu you need tweetment and for swine flu you need oinkment Nate wrote: > Alex Bartonek wrote: >> I'll answer your question with a question. Why do people drive >> Hummers, Corvettes, Mercedes to work when a econo-car will get the >> job done? >> In all honesty, I like guns, cars and computers. I'm always in the >> market. >> >> Why would I NOT want to own an AK or an AR? Because some Nam vet >> says I shouldnt? What makes you qualified to use a blanket type >> comment and state that a law-abiding citizen cannot carry such a >> weapon? With the proper knowledge, anyone should be able to own any >> type of handgun or rifle. > > +1 > > > ~Nate From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 22:25:40 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Sep 7 22:25:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA5C574.5090006@lookcee.com> References: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA5B304.9010004@gmail.com> <4AA5C574.5090006@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909072025r658bc04cyac4db1096e2ed9d1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > The flu can assault you also So remember > For bird flu you need tweetment and for swine flu you need oinkment > Your attempt at humor is assaulting my sense of good taste! -Henry From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Sep 7 22:31:07 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Sep 7 22:31:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA5CFFB.2070803@shub-internet.org> on 9/7/09 2:11 PM, Alex Bartonek said: > With the proper knowledge, anyone should be able to own any > type of handgun or rifle. On the one hand, I strongly support the second amendment, and I firmly believe that the Founding Fathers had in mind the kinds of weapons that would be needed to protect yourself from a tyrannical government. At the time, those weapons were pretty much the same that everyone had, and were put to many different uses, including hunting. These days, weapons of "military significance" are much different from the weapons that might be used to go hunting game. But those same kinds of weapons in the wrong hands can be extremely dangerous. Is there a way to guarantee that the sane citizens can continue to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, while keeping the same weapons out of the hands of the insane? I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know that I am concerned about it. Now, speaking only for myself, I know my own tendencies with regards to weapons. I've fought heavy weapons in the SCA, and I know I can be fairly dangerous even with a piece of duct-tape covered rattan. I've also had some training in firearms, and I know that my tendencies in that direction are not healthy. I'm just a little too accurate, at distances that are too long, but I get so wrapped up in it that I can't pay enough attention to simple things like counting the number of times I've pulled the trigger. That's part of why I have avoided professions where using firearms would be required. That's why I have agreed with my wife that we won't own any firearms (well, other than the museum-piece muzzle loading musket that I inherited from my grandfather, and which wouldn't even make a very effective stick). This is Austin, and I wouldn't want to end up being the kind of whacko that would be heavily armed and go to the top of the tower. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Sep 7 22:35:23 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Sep 7 22:35:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0909072025r658bc04cyac4db1096e2ed9d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <973640.39224.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA5B304.9010004@gmail.com> <4AA5C574.5090006@lookcee.com> <1003aeaa0909072025r658bc04cyac4db1096e2ed9d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA5D0FB.3050709@shub-internet.org> on 9/7/09 10:25 PM, Henry Pugsley said: > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Herb Cee wrote: >> The flu can assault you also So remember >> For bird flu you need tweetment and for swine flu you need oinkment > > Your attempt at humor is assaulting my sense of good taste! I guess it all depends on how you were braised. And I'd go easy on the assault, if you have high blood pressure. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From morfic at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 23:06:43 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Mon Sep 7 23:06:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Need AT&T (3G) SIM to Test Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909072106t9658de1qef1eb172e83bc329@mail.gmail.com> This is hopefully not too OT. I have a Android based phone to test here, but i only subscribe to T-Mobile, so i was wondering if anyone would be interested in meeting up to test their 3G enabled AT&T SIM in this phone. Simple things like checking it logs on to the network, calling, receiving calls, web, SMS, MMS. I would compensate your time with say a Venti [insertfavoriterecipe] Latte or Macchiato or so ;) I only know of AT&T and T-Mobile using GSM SIMs, if you say hey, what about my [insertyourservicehere], sure, the more the better. Thanks in advance for reading this, Daniel From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Sep 8 08:19:55 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Sep 8 08:19:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings Message-ID: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> I was in San Antonio for about 10 hours, last Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, and I managed to get my mom's computer, find the problem (bad video card) fix it with a spare, and upgrade her ram. When her machine failed, was in the middle of a switch over from TimeWarner to AT&T, Telephone/Cable(DSL)/Dish. She's happy, except of course, about her computer. I got Thunderbird installed on it, and went to make sure I could pop their server (I'm in houston and also have AT&T DSL) but the thing just sits there and churns for a while, then goes back to idle. Weird. Tried to -send- a message, and it errored out, saying it couldn't connect, check your settings, blah blah. The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing nice. Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San Antonio that's causing the problems? It -is- AT&T and one would think that they'd be on the same network... Thanks for any help. -Geoff From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 08:45:24 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 8 08:45:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909080645o4f683a62g3e73a1a827c87a82@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Geoff wrote: > The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to > what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing > nice. > > Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San > Antonio that's causing the problems? ?It -is- AT&T and one would think > that they'd be on the same network... Geoff, are you trying to use your Houston settings for her computer? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 09:31:39 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Sep 8 09:31:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> my only contrubution would be.... "houston...we have a problem". get it? Houston settings? aaahhh too early in the morn.. Geoff wrote: > I was in San Antonio for about 10 hours, last Tuesday night/Wednesday > morning, and I managed to get my mom's computer, find the problem (bad > video card) fix it with a spare, and upgrade her ram. > When her machine failed, was in the middle of a switch over from > TimeWarner to AT&T, Telephone/Cable(DSL)/Dish. She's happy, except of > course, about her computer. > I got Thunderbird installed on it, and went to make sure I could pop > their server (I'm in houston and also have AT&T DSL) but the thing just > sits there and churns for a while, then goes back to idle. Weird. > Tried to -send- a message, and it errored out, saying it couldn't > connect, check your settings, blah blah. > The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to > what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing > nice. > Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San > Antonio that's causing the problems? It -is- AT&T and one would think > that they'd be on the same network... > Thanks for any help. > -Geoff > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:04:44 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Tue Sep 8 10:04:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystem resize on SLES10. Message-ID: <1247a04a0909080804k7cde6a5eoa03cc791618d10a0@mail.gmail.com> Hello folks, We have a bunch of servers running SLES10 for SAP and once or twice a week we have a fire drill to expand the filesystems for the DBAs, be either they size the filesystems wrong, they need to upgrade and it involves using more storage, or whatever, we just throw more SAN space to the boxes, extend the volume groups, logical volumes and filesystems accordingly, but I don't seem to find a supported cluster aware logical volume manager for SLES10 that allows online or at least offline extension of a filesystem. and before you ask and suggest using SLES11 or RH or anything else, the options are: SLES10, SLES10 or SLES10. is there such a beast of a cluster aware logical volume manager for SLES10 that allows online extension for a filesystem, I would settle for a filesystem that allows offline extension if it does not involve recreating the whole thing over and over again? other than GPFS please. thank you, Enrique Sanchez. -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:07:23 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Sep 8 10:07:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to >> what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing >> nice. >> Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San >> Antonio that's causing the problems? ?It -is- AT&T and one would think >> that they'd be on the same network... >> Thanks for any help. >> -Geoff I am an AT&T customer with an sbcglobal.net address. Here is what the servers are for me: MemberID@sbcglobal.net pop.att.yahoo.com smtp.att.yahoo.com Here is one of their support pages: http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=102&cv=742,102&_DARGS=/esupport/sharedSegments/supportViewService.jsp Good luck, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:21:56 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 8 10:21:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystem resize on SLES10. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0909080804k7cde6a5eoa03cc791618d10a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0909080804k7cde6a5eoa03cc791618d10a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909080821j2079bf31ved8ba521ba45b84b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Enrique Sanchez wrote: > is there such a beast of a cluster aware logical volume manager for > SLES10 that allows online extension for a filesystem, I would settle > for a filesystem that allows offline extension if it does not involve > recreating the whole thing over and over again? other than GPFS > please. Have you considered Lustre? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 8 10:45:10 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 8 10:45:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] evms command line... In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908281407i21a5783bk5a4b6ce98db35629@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908300809q3fe30643u47d4fc0e8863c41b@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the latency (congestion occurred) but: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:09, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > > > Define cluster. Are you using a cluster file system (GFS, Lustre, OCFS, > > CXFS), or a standard cluster where the disks are shared, but only one > mounts > > at a time > > We need to provide highly available application and database servers, > the database servers will be using Oracle RAC using ocfs2 > Ok, so native LVM cannot be used due to Cluster locking issues (Standard LVM has a single system lock setup), and I am not sure if CLVM (Cluster LVM) is multi-active capable (Reading...) > and the application servers would be present on one node at a time, if > the node fails the application server must be restarted on the > surviving node ( including the IP address and filesystems), thus, the > filesystems can be mounted on both servers at the same time or one at > a time. > I assume that the Active/Passive Application server setup is due to lack of a load balancer or session persistence, regardless CLVM is certainly acceptable for active-passive (quorum controlled resource) clusters, as only one node is expected to own the resource at a time. I am thinking that standard LVM can be used via import/export scripts in the failover policy. if the standard LVM manager can be used to mount the filesystems on > one server at a time and import them on the surviving one, I'll throw > evms out of the window, however, it can not be used, as I found out, > to create ocfs2 filesystems mounted on both servers. > I am not sure which "it cannot be used" references, but LVM does not care what filesystem is on a LV, and EVMS requires a "plug-in" so that it can call the appropriate `mkfs.x` to format the created ELV. > I need to group disks into larger units (cluster aware) then slice > them into filesystems, the disks are EMC shares 8.43 GB and > filesystems can be any size. > I am not sure how OCFS2 reacts to LVM, but RAC uses multiple-instance, single-tablespace to allow Active/Active clustering with shared data. CLVM would then have to allow multiple node VG import for this to work. URL below infers that multiple node VG access is allowed, but it is unclear, so more reading needed. See: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/LVM_Cluster_Overview.html AFAIK most cluster software allows for the definition of a resource group that includes the physical disks included in that group. RAC nonwithstanding, is that the case here? If so, I would guess that "best practice" would be to define and maintain the grouping there. If not, LVM presumes similar physical disks, since a VG takes all disk blocks on all PVs and groups them into a pool of shared extents. I am getting the feeling that your "grouping" need is not LVM style management. > >> check the "it could be > >> possible" part, the evmsgui seems to do the job just fine but I need > >> to work with 20 to 30 disks per cluster, with different sizes and raid > >> levels, so it is just not feasible to get the job done with the GUI, > >> besides, I hate GUIs. > I assume that the RAID levels are being defined on the array, so the OS has no visibility (nor interest really) to the RAID levels (unless PowerPath/NavCLI) are installed on the nodes involved. Even then, grouping dis-similar RAID PVs in a VG is not a fantastic idea. The inferred assumption is that the creation of a VG implicitly shares all PVs therein as a shared pool, and LVs can be cut from any/all of them without regard to the underlying PVs. This does not seem to be the grouping strategy for which you are aiming. Many shops use "custom" config files and wrappers that "group" disks when there is not a classical cluster management tool involved to handle the resource groups. > > I assume that you are using a shared storage backend here (FibreChannel, > > Switched SAS, etc), as "Disks" don't have RAID levels, where LUNs do. > > We're using shared FC Storage (visible by both servers). > That makes sense, AFAIK RAC (and most standard cluster types) requires shared block storage (FC/iSCSI/etc) most do not function well with shared file-level (NFS or similar) due to the locking mechanisms involved. > >> The only problem is that I've been having more than the fun I > >> bargained for with the CLI as it seems to have a mind of its own. has > >> anyone successfully worked with the CLI that can provide a good > >> reference point to work with it? so far, I've found a couple of EVMS > >> user guides but their information on the command line is very limited. > > > > > > We just use LVM and the appropriate FS tools to manage the disks, > granted, > > you have to often do multiple operator steps (create LV, run mkfs.x; > where > > EVMS does that in one step), but finding LVM expertise is MUCH easer than > > EVMS expertise. > > > > I think I am familiar enough with Linux LVM to be able to create vgs > and I am breaking ground with evms, too bad it is dead beyond SLES 10. > Active/Active clusters are complex beasts, and most rely on the cluster management tool to group cluster resources (Disks, IPs, Names, Services, Files, etc) together, rather than a subsystem like LVM. >> Why SUSE and why 10SP2, because that is what the customer wanted to > >> use, no bargaining there. > >> > > > > This is like running RHEL 4.x over 5.x, so I assume that they have > > a dependency (custom software, or the like; or simple politics) that > > prevents using a new kernel or userspace tool set. > > I know and aware of the situation, however SAP, or Novell, has not > certified SAP for SLES11 (or vice versa). > Yep, aforementioned assumed dependency. In this case, it is a "vendor support" dependency; sometimes it is hardware, sometimes software, sometimes political, but always a "show stopper" HTH, jp From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 11:09:37 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Sep 8 11:09:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Benefits of multicore CPUs under Linux ? Message-ID: Can the desktop user with an up-to-date distro get much benefit from the newer duo and quad core cpus? Are there options that need to be compiled into the kernel? Or is this a matter of a long evolutionary process of gradual adoption of multi-threading by the application programs? >From what little I have learned, it sounds like desktop users get only about 15-20% utilization of the 2nd core with the new duo processors. I probably can save money with a cheaper CPU over the next 8-10 years. Thanks for any enlightenment, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 11:26:45 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 8 11:26:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Benefits of multicore CPUs under Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0909080926q6a784916x6035fcbb6e9a3da9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Can the desktop user with an up-to-date distro get much benefit > from the newer duo and quad core cpus? ?Are there options that > need to be compiled into the kernel? ?Or is this a matter of a > long evolutionary process of gradual adoption of multi-threading > by the application programs? > > >From what little I have learned, it sounds like desktop users get > only about 15-20% utilization of the 2nd core with the new duo > processors. ?I probably can save money with a cheaper CPU over > the next 8-10 years. Certainly you can "use" the extra cores, it just means you can do more things at once ;) I take advantage of multi-threaded applications and libraries, especially for video compression. What used to take me 3-6 hours for one DVD, takes about 35 minutes on a quad core AMD. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 12:02:10 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:02:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] evms command line... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908281407i21a5783bk5a4b6ce98db35629@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908300809q3fe30643u47d4fc0e8863c41b@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0909081002j2e855ddarb3e756cb89058057@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Sorry for the latency (congestion occurred) but: > No problema I appreciate your help. I see lots of good ideas here and I am stalling the project until I have a firm foot on it. > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:09, Enrique Sanchez < > esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, John Pappas wrote: >> > >> > Define cluster. Are you using a cluster file system (GFS, Lustre, OCFS, >> > CXFS), or a standard cluster where the disks are shared, but only one >> mounts >> > at a time >> >> We need to provide highly available application and database servers, >> the database servers will be using Oracle RAC using ocfs2 >> > > Ok, so native LVM cannot be used due to Cluster locking issues (Standard LVM > has a single system lock setup), and I am not sure if CLVM (Cluster LVM) is > multi-active capable (Reading...) > > right now I am not looking at the active-active scenario, that would be later. thnx..... >> and the application servers would be present on one node at a time, if >> the node fails the application server must be restarted on the >> surviving node ( including the IP address and filesystems), thus, the >> filesystems can be mounted on both servers at the same time or one at >> a time. >> > > I assume that the Active/Passive Application server setup is due to lack of > a load balancer or session persistence, regardless CLVM is certainly > acceptable for active-passive (quorum controlled resource) clusters, as only > one node is expected to own the resource at a time. I am thinking that > standard LVM can be used via import/export scripts in the failover policy. > that's an idea, will explore it now. thank you., > if the standard LVM manager can be used to mount the filesystems on >> one server at a time and import them on the surviving one, I'll throw >> evms out of the window, however, it can not be used, as I found out, >> to create ocfs2 filesystems mounted on both servers. >> > > I am not sure which "it cannot be used" references, but LVM does not care > what filesystem is on a LV, and EVMS requires a "plug-in" so that it can > call the appropriate `mkfs.x` to format the created ELV. > > >> I need to group disks into larger units (cluster aware) then slice >> them into filesystems, the disks are EMC shares 8.43 GB and >> filesystems can be any size. >> > > I am not sure how OCFS2 reacts to LVM, but RAC uses multiple-instance, > single-tablespace to allow Active/Active clustering with shared data. CLVM > would then have to allow multiple node VG import for this to work. URL > below infers that multiple node VG access is allowed, but it is unclear, so > more reading needed. > See: > http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/LVM_Cluster_Overview.html > > AFAIK most cluster software allows for the definition of a resource group > that includes the physical disks included in that group. RAC > nonwithstanding, is that the case here? If so, I would guess that "best > practice" would be to define and maintain the grouping there. If not, LVM > presumes similar physical disks, since a VG takes all disk blocks on all PVs > and groups them into a pool of shared extents. I am getting the feeling > that your "grouping" need is not LVM style management. > > >> >> check the "it could be >> >> possible" part, the evmsgui seems to do the job just fine but I need >> >> to work with 20 to 30 disks per cluster, with different sizes and raid >> >> levels, so it is just not feasible to get the job done with the GUI, >> >> besides, I hate GUIs. >> > > I assume that the RAID levels are being defined on the array, so the OS has > no visibility (nor interest really) to the RAID levels (unless > PowerPath/NavCLI) are installed on the nodes involved. Even then, grouping > dis-similar RAID PVs in a VG is not a fantastic idea. The inferred > assumption is that the creation of a VG implicitly shares all PVs therein as > a shared pool, and LVs can be cut from any/all of them without regard to the > underlying PVs. This does not seem to be the grouping strategy for which > you are aiming. Many shops use "custom" config files and wrappers that > "group" disks when there is not a classical cluster management tool involved > to handle the resource groups. > I get a bunch of 8.43 GB EMC Shares and I need to group them together by class ( Tier1, Tier2 and T3) on volume groups. > >> > I assume that you are using a shared storage backend here (FibreChannel, >> > Switched SAS, etc), as "Disks" don't have RAID levels, where LUNs do. >> >> We're using shared FC Storage (visible by both servers). >> > > That makes sense, AFAIK RAC (and most standard cluster types) requires > shared block storage (FC/iSCSI/etc) most do not function well with shared > file-level (NFS or similar) due to the locking mechanisms involved. > Oracle RAC works well with GPFS (IBM's but that costs an arm and a leg). > >> >> The only problem is that I've been having more than the fun I >> >> bargained for with the CLI as it seems to have a mind of its own. has >> >> anyone successfully worked with the CLI that can provide a good >> >> reference point to work with it? so far, I've found a couple of EVMS >> >> user guides but their information on the command line is very limited. >> > >> > >> > We just use LVM and the appropriate FS tools to manage the disks, >> granted, >> > you have to often do multiple operator steps (create LV, run mkfs.x; >> where >> > EVMS does that in one step), but finding LVM expertise is MUCH easer than >> > EVMS expertise. >> > >> I agree, besides EVMS is only supported in SUSE10 and no longer developed, so adopting it right now is not what I would call brilliant. thank you again, Enrique. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 12:52:23 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Sep 8 12:52:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Benefits of multicore CPUs under Linux ? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909080926q6a784916x6035fcbb6e9a3da9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <300039.92264.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> 'splain it to me Lucy. When you look for updates do you search for "multi-threaded" libraries vs. regular libraries? Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: >> Can the desktop user with an up-to-date distro get much benefit >> from the newer duo and quad core cpus? ?Are there options that >> need to be compiled into the kernel? ?Or is this a matter of a >> long evolutionary process of gradual adoption of multi-threading >> by the application programs? >> >> >From what little I have learned, it sounds like desktop users get >> only about 15-20% utilization of the 2nd core with the new duo >> processors. ?I probably can save money with a cheaper CPU over >> the next 8-10 years. > Certainly you can "use" the extra cores, it just means you can do more > things at once ;) I take advantage of multi-threaded applications and > libraries, especially for video compression. What used to take me 3-6 > hours for one DVD, takes about 35 minutes on a quad core AMD. > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:00:14 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:00:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microshit Trains BestBuy Employees to Boo Linux to Customers In-Reply-To: <200909052110.05450.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200909052110.05450.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6A9BE.7090606@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Saturday 05 September 2009 15:11:51 Christopher Lemire wrote: > >> I am only posting occasionally about my blog as told I should do. My >> blog is non profit, no google adsence, and my contribution to Linux. >> I'd like to expose what m$ is doing. Please view my latest blog entry. >> >> http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ >> > > Does one need to subscribe to photobucket to see any screenshots? > I didn't need to. I could see them all rather nicely... Ed. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:07:39 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:07:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6AB7B.4030705@gmail.com> I have a Linksys Compact Wireless-G USB adapter that, so far, has worked anywhere on any thing -- including an old Dell Optiplex GX270 sporting Linux Ubuntu 9.04. I don't wanna lose it, myself, but, if you can find one... Cheers; Ed ============== Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi, > > My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi > service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. > > She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have > any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron?u Would you pls > let me know which card we should get? Is there one that will work out of > the box w/p having to be an engineer to make it work? > > Thanks a lot! c > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 8 14:11:38 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:11:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Benefits of multicore CPUs under Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:09:37 -0500, Howard Haradon wrote: >Can the desktop user with an up-to-date distro get much benefit >from the newer duo and quad core cpus? Are there options that >need to be compiled into the kernel? Or is this a matter of a >long evolutionary process of gradual adoption of multi-threading >by the application programs? Multiprocessing (SMP) features have been enabled in most distros for many years now. All *nix software, with few exceptions, is designed to run properly on multi-CPU systems. That's the advantage of having a common code base for all systems, from cell phones to supercomputers. The author of a system call, utility, or application doesn't know how many processors the system will have, so it must be designed for one or many. Whether a single application takes advantage of the >>From what little I have learned, it sounds like desktop users get >only about 15-20% utilization of the 2nd core with the new duo >processors. I probably can save money with a cheaper CPU over >the next 8-10 years. Why do you have a car that can go 70 MPH when it spends most of it's time parked? The cost penalty for having a dual-core CPU is trivial compared to the total cost of a system. For example: on Newegg the cheapest three Intel processors are: Intel Celeron 430 1.8GHz Single-Core..... $39.99 Intel Celeron E1500 2.2GHz Dual-Core..... $49.99 Intel Celeron 440 2.0GHz Single-Core..... $53.99 Notice the dual-core is faster and cheaper than the third. (That one is "out of stock" and at the bottom of the last page if you're looking.) Newegg doesn't offer any other single-core Intel desktop processors - except for the very low power Atom systems. AMD shows a similar pattern. Remember Moore's Law. You'll save money with a *better* CPU in the next 10 years, but it will be multi-core. Enjoy the ride! --Don -- I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one textbook.) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:21:30 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:21:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <4AA6AB7B.4030705@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <4AA6AB7B.4030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909081221i7eb59700p55ca7a0c3e1c2544@mail.gmail.com> thanks Ed...have you ever tried it on Hardy Heron? c On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, ed wrote: > I have a Linksys Compact Wireless-G USB adapter that, so far, has worked > anywhere on any thing -- including an old Dell Optiplex GX270 sporting Linux > Ubuntu 9.04. I don't wanna lose it, myself, but, if you can find one... > > Cheers; > Ed > ============== > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi >> service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. >> >> She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have >> any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron?u Would you >> pls >> let me know which card we should get? Is there one that will work out of >> the box w/p having to be an engineer to make it work? >> >> Thanks a lot! c >> >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:26:03 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:26:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> References: <394787.1794.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA49479.90504@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4AA6AFCB.9020806@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > >> if I hear something outside at night, the first thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks before I do. true story. >> >> > > I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the same. > I like my favorite cocktail, a "99" - NIN and 9mm. > >> Borries Demeler wrote: >> >>>> Subject: Fwd: From SAPD - new way to assault you >>>> >>>>> Hi...I >>>>> don't know if this is happening anywhere else, but it will probably >>>>> spread, the "bad guys" seem to have a "network". The latest thing is >>>>> home invaders and/or assaulters will turn on all your outdoor faucets, >>>>> even put your hose up on your porch...when you hear/see the water >>>>> running, of course your instinct is to run out and shut it off.. DON'T >>>>> DO IT LIKE THAT!!! Once you are outside and your house is wide >>>>> open...guess what...they have robbed and assaulted alot of people! >>>>> First, set off your car alarm with your remote. Call any neighbors you >>>>> know, no matter what the time, (safety in numbers) and everyone go out >>>>> together. If you are home alone (as I am) and you have no other >>>>> option, call "911" and tell them you are alone, someone has turned on >>>>> all your water faucets and they will send a squad car. I honestly >>>>> don't know how the dishonest thugs of this world seem to be making us >>>>> prisoners in our own homes, but sadly, they are. Please forward this >>>>> to as many people as you can. >>>>> It might save someone a lot of grief....Janie >>>>> >>> Here is what happened to me: >>> while in Montana, people did this to my house, except nobody was home, >>> they left the water running - $470 July waterbill + water damage. >>> Thank god they didn't just break in. >>> I hope they catch these crooks soon. >>> -Borries >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> >> >> > > > - -- > David Kowis > > www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! > www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKpJR5AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob/EcMAJwwsnAM5VcOLdudxNEAmHM8 > f0u1re+372dbgkijKJ7BNiP0A6Qv7DsbCRUcPFVk/lKn+DyEQod1MfcjEf8tSF04 > RARKpWmAPE9Rr6wvpndZ7faSTM+nTI20RFI5CJhPQIvTOlDuE695/CAbWH96cEDn > YR4va5lcvnm6XJAOM4DTQLEj+i+LGFu+w9HdK6ri8ROFivV7txNika3bFBH6X27o > /59vIGH81STAIESJzSZz1ZajuCymknyhyuHd8o9ym4oCO+WlJVZuk6zQEXwCtft6 > PI80qZ3mtPAb7uoHIzr1FDTFjoJcsF5xlG/q6oVaGIw9vb1BnCJgd1tyFspRWcLA > jyZF/GkzEu9xggRumn5j1Qn9NLvJ7WDQrf0AoiKpNks8h04LWmn+iw7f2lrED8zp > eftVVYPLD2yQVdAx73Pyc0DD1NGzZU/tD0bV7FmHnUuSEfEtP5qnIvzaQQYsEU7U > VSPeaKVvAsBxmT64RWDe+OEovKYIio0Wl0UG/Gg7lA== > =03in > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 8 14:30:22 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:30:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] evms command line... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908281407i21a5783bk5a4b6ce98db35629@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908300809q3fe30643u47d4fc0e8863c41b@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909081230w319e6563xb5536a774e822542@mail.gmail.com> Found some Cluster LVM material (Some is dated, but still relevant from a concept/general procedure perspective): http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/doc/usage.txt Most relevant, as GFS and OCFS are similar in nature. http://iggi.mandriva.com/ch23.html Seems to be thorough, but seems to document non-shared storage configs. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:45, John Pappas wrote: > Sorry for the latency (congestion occurred) but: > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:09, Enrique Sanchez < > esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, John Pappas wrote: >> > >> > Define cluster. Are you using a cluster file system (GFS, Lustre, OCFS, >> > CXFS), or a standard cluster where the disks are shared, but only one >> mounts >> > at a time >> >> We need to provide highly available application and database servers, >> the database servers will be using Oracle RAC using ocfs2 >> > > Ok, so native LVM cannot be used due to Cluster locking issues (Standard > LVM has a single system lock setup), and I am not sure if CLVM (Cluster LVM) > is multi-active capable (Reading...) > > >> and the application servers would be present on one node at a time, if >> the node fails the application server must be restarted on the >> surviving node ( including the IP address and filesystems), thus, the >> filesystems can be mounted on both servers at the same time or one at >> a time. >> > > I assume that the Active/Passive Application server setup is due to lack of > a load balancer or session persistence, regardless CLVM is certainly > acceptable for active-passive (quorum controlled resource) clusters, as only > one node is expected to own the resource at a time. I am thinking that > standard LVM can be used via import/export scripts in the failover policy. > > if the standard LVM manager can be used to mount the filesystems on >> one server at a time and import them on the surviving one, I'll throw >> evms out of the window, however, it can not be used, as I found out, >> to create ocfs2 filesystems mounted on both servers. >> > > I am not sure which "it cannot be used" references, but LVM does not care > what filesystem is on a LV, and EVMS requires a "plug-in" so that it can > call the appropriate `mkfs.x` to format the created ELV. > > >> I need to group disks into larger units (cluster aware) then slice >> them into filesystems, the disks are EMC shares 8.43 GB and >> filesystems can be any size. >> > > I am not sure how OCFS2 reacts to LVM, but RAC uses multiple-instance, > single-tablespace to allow Active/Active clustering with shared data. CLVM > would then have to allow multiple node VG import for this to work. URL > below infers that multiple node VG access is allowed, but it is unclear, so > more reading needed. > See: > http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/LVM_Cluster_Overview.html > > AFAIK most cluster software allows for the definition of a resource group > that includes the physical disks included in that group. RAC > nonwithstanding, is that the case here? If so, I would guess that "best > practice" would be to define and maintain the grouping there. If not, LVM > presumes similar physical disks, since a VG takes all disk blocks on all PVs > and groups them into a pool of shared extents. I am getting the feeling > that your "grouping" need is not LVM style management. > > >> >> check the "it could be >> >> possible" part, the evmsgui seems to do the job just fine but I need >> >> to work with 20 to 30 disks per cluster, with different sizes and raid >> >> levels, so it is just not feasible to get the job done with the GUI, >> >> besides, I hate GUIs. >> > > I assume that the RAID levels are being defined on the array, so the OS has > no visibility (nor interest really) to the RAID levels (unless > PowerPath/NavCLI) are installed on the nodes involved. Even then, grouping > dis-similar RAID PVs in a VG is not a fantastic idea. The inferred > assumption is that the creation of a VG implicitly shares all PVs therein as > a shared pool, and LVs can be cut from any/all of them without regard to the > underlying PVs. This does not seem to be the grouping strategy for which > you are aiming. Many shops use "custom" config files and wrappers that > "group" disks when there is not a classical cluster management tool involved > to handle the resource groups. > > >> > I assume that you are using a shared storage backend here (FibreChannel, >> > Switched SAS, etc), as "Disks" don't have RAID levels, where LUNs do. >> >> We're using shared FC Storage (visible by both servers). >> > > That makes sense, AFAIK RAC (and most standard cluster types) requires > shared block storage (FC/iSCSI/etc) most do not function well with shared > file-level (NFS or similar) due to the locking mechanisms involved. > > >> >> The only problem is that I've been having more than the fun I >> >> bargained for with the CLI as it seems to have a mind of its own. has >> >> anyone successfully worked with the CLI that can provide a good >> >> reference point to work with it? so far, I've found a couple of EVMS >> >> user guides but their information on the command line is very limited. >> > >> > >> > We just use LVM and the appropriate FS tools to manage the disks, >> granted, >> > you have to often do multiple operator steps (create LV, run mkfs.x; >> where >> > EVMS does that in one step), but finding LVM expertise is MUCH easer >> than >> > EVMS expertise. >> > >> >> I think I am familiar enough with Linux LVM to be able to create vgs >> and I am breaking ground with evms, too bad it is dead beyond SLES 10. >> > > Active/Active clusters are complex beasts, and most rely on the cluster > management tool to group cluster resources (Disks, IPs, Names, Services, > Files, etc) together, rather than a subsystem like LVM. > > >> Why SUSE and why 10SP2, because that is what the customer wanted to >> >> use, no bargaining there. >> >> >> > >> > This is like running RHEL 4.x over 5.x, so I assume that they have >> > a dependency (custom software, or the like; or simple politics) that >> > prevents using a new kernel or userspace tool set. >> >> I know and aware of the situation, however SAP, or Novell, has not >> certified SAP for SLES11 (or vice versa). >> > > Yep, aforementioned assumed dependency. In this case, it is a "vendor > support" dependency; sometimes it is hardware, sometimes software, > sometimes political, but always a "show stopper" > > HTH, > jp > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:34:00 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:34:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA502C0.5000304@suddenlink.net> <500346.88278.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <294cd3d10909070928s428a9c8ck378825b7bdcbe098@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6B1A8.50108@gmail.com> country wrote: > Alex, this is back channel to keep the list clear of it, I have a question, > and want to precede it with a caviot I'm a 2 tour Namvet, I have long > weapons and handguns here at the house, but I do not understand why people > would want the AK or AR type weapons. I"m not trying to stirr up anything, > I'm actually looking for enlightenment on this thing. > > Glenn > I gotta agree. Automatic assault rifles, even in the hands of experienced soldiers and/or survivalists are at best a waste of ammo. However, they pose a nice threat, and not everyone is a sniper/marksman... Ed. > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > >> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> >>> From: Dennis Myhand >>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - new way to assault you >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> >>> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:55 AM >>> David Kowis wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA512 >>>> >>>> Alex Bartonek wrote: >>>> >>>>> if I hear something outside at night, the first >>>>> >>> thing I reach for is my .45. it speaks >>> before I do. true story. >>> >>>> I think should such things happen to me, it'd be the >>>> >>> same. >>> >>> You do realize that the pistol you keep is only used to >>> fight your way back to the rifle you should have had. >>> I use a .40 S&W to speak up when things are not quite >>> right. Good to see that some SATLUGers are prepared in >>> other ways besides OS-wise. Peace, Dennis >>> >> I'm also a member of the NRA and carry concealed (legally) :) >> I dont have a shotgun though..I do have an AK and an AR-15 though :) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:36:25 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:36:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dumb question mini pci card? Message-ID: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> this threw me...the card I want to buy that works out of the box says "mini pci card" what does that mean and will it fit like a regular pci card in a tower pc? thanks cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 8 14:37:58 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:38:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Benefits of multicore CPUs under Linux ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:11:38 -0500, Don Wright wrote: > Whether a single application takes advantage of the (Sorry, got interrupted and didn't finish that part.) Whether a single application takes advantage of the multiple simultaneous execution units (multi-core) features is less important than that the OS doesn't hang up the GUI while waiting for I/O to a slow device. You'll notice the multi-core performance boost more in Windows than Linux, but it's there. -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 8 14:46:53 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:46:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] evms command line... In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0909081002j2e855ddarb3e756cb89058057@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908281407i21a5783bk5a4b6ce98db35629@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908300809q3fe30643u47d4fc0e8863c41b@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0909081002j2e855ddarb3e756cb89058057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909081246l4fc8fde1kca2dd6c80f292c4d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:02, Enrique Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:09, Enrique Sanchez < > > esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, John Pappas wrote: > >> > >> We need to provide highly available application and database servers, > >> the database servers will be using Oracle RAC using ocfs2 > >> > > Ok, so native LVM cannot be used due to Cluster locking issues (Standard > LVM > > has a single system lock setup), and I am not sure if CLVM (Cluster LVM) > is > > multi-active capable (Reading...) > > right now I am not looking at the active-active scenario, that would > be later. thnx..... > So you have a standard active/passive (failover) cluster set up for Application and RAC (Infers Active/Active) for DB, right? > > I am thinking that standard LVM can be used via import/export scripts in > the failover policy. > > that's an idea, will explore it now. thank you., > This would only apply to the Application cluster. The RAC would have to be run differently. From my cursory research, CLVM looks like the VGs can be shared amongst participating nodes (comm is done via CLVMD over the network, not sure what best practice is, since most clusters have at least 1 client facing network and at least 1 cluster only network, so not sure if the cluster.conf handles nodes with more than 1 ip address. Would assume so, but have not tried it. > I get a bunch of 8.43 GB EMC Shares and I need to group them together > by class ( Tier1, Tier2 and T3) on volume groups. > That makes sense, T1 VGs, T2 VGs, T3 VGs. Would not have MixTier VG (as that could lead to badness) > > That makes sense, AFAIK RAC (and most standard cluster types) requires > > shared block storage (FC/iSCSI/etc) most do not function well with shared > > file-level (NFS or similar) due to the locking mechanisms involved. > > Oracle RAC works well with GPFS (IBM's but that costs an arm and a leg). > Some would argue that the licensing required to run RAC costs an Arm + Leg + Soul to begin with, so adding GPFS would leave no legs nor arms. Not sure if GFS (RedHat Global FS) could help here either. Maybe even Polyserve (Not sure of Oracle support though) I agree, besides EVMS is only supported in SUSE10 and no longer > developed, so adopting it right now is not what I would call > brilliant. > Did not realize EVMS bit the dust. I agree, building in another deprecated dependancy would be poor planning. > thank you again, > Enrique. > -- > Sure. I freelance if there is room on the project John P From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 14:59:10 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 8 14:59:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909081221i7eb59700p55ca7a0c3e1c2544@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <4AA6AB7B.4030705@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909081221i7eb59700p55ca7a0c3e1c2544@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6B78E.80500@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thanks Ed...have you ever tried it on Hardy Heron? c > It works under 8.10... Did that at school on another older Dell... > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, ed wrote: > > >> I have a Linksys Compact Wireless-G USB adapter that, so far, has worked >> anywhere on any thing -- including an old Dell Optiplex GX270 sporting Linux >> Ubuntu 9.04. I don't wanna lose it, myself, but, if you can find one... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> ============== >> >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi >>> service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. >>> >>> She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you have >>> any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron?u Would you >>> pls >>> let me know which card we should get? Is there one that will work out of >>> the box w/p having to be an engineer to make it work? >>> >>> Thanks a lot! c >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 15:02:50 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:08:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] compatible 802.11 wifi card for Hardy? In-Reply-To: <4AA6B78E.80500@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909060811u18397526g3ae804ee73a32691@mail.gmail.com> <4AA6AB7B.4030705@gmail.com> <7e4994a70909081221i7eb59700p55ca7a0c3e1c2544@mail.gmail.com> <4AA6B78E.80500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909081302k27811795mc48337fc21fb650b@mail.gmail.com> thank you very much Ed. I have to keep it simple for me and my 74 y/o Mom...has to work out of the box because I just don't know how to make something work when it doesn't in Linux. c On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM, ed wrote: > > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> thanks Ed...have you ever tried it on Hardy Heron? c >> >> > It works under 8.10... Did that at school on another older Dell... > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, ed wrote: >> >> >> >>> I have a Linksys Compact Wireless-G USB adapter that, so far, has worked >>> anywhere on any thing -- including an old Dell Optiplex GX270 sporting >>> Linux >>> Ubuntu 9.04. I don't wanna lose it, myself, but, if you can find one... >>> >>> Cheers; >>> Ed >>> ============== >>> >>> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> My Mom lives in Stone Creek RV Park in Schertz. They have changed wifi >>>> service providers there and now wifi is available to her for free. >>>> >>>> She needs an 802.11 wifi card to use it..I need to know if any of you >>>> have >>>> any idea which card is compatible (works with ) Hardy Heron?u Would you >>>> pls >>>> let me know which card we should get? Is there one that will work out >>>> of >>>> the box w/p having to be an engineer to make it work? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot! c >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hc at lookcee.com Tue Sep 8 15:33:06 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:33:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dumb question mini pci card? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6BF82.3050601@lookcee.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > this threw me...the card I want to buy that works out of the box says "mini > pci card" > > what does that mean and will it fit like a regular pci card in a tower pc? > > thanks cheryl > > > No Cheryl it only fits the mini ATX cases not reg size cases the back plate is short and bets for the holding screw so will not mount hh From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 15:41:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:42:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dumb question mini pci card? In-Reply-To: <4AA6BF82.3050601@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> <4AA6BF82.3050601@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909081341n22175b40v8f7d87b5ebe62381@mail.gmail.com> I was afraid of that Herb. will have to keep looking for that card that is a normal size then..thanks a lot..it's for mom's PC...c On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> this threw me...the card I want to buy that works out of the box says >> "mini >> pci card" >> >> what does that mean and will it fit like a regular pci card in a tower pc? >> >> thanks cheryl >> >> >> >> > No Cheryl it only fits the mini ATX cases not reg size cases the back plate > is short and bets for the holding screw so will not mount > hh > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 8 15:55:02 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 8 15:55:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dumb question mini pci card? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2jfda5pf9foojjq0vj505ghc0ulbkfurje@4ax.com> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:36:25 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: >this threw me...the card I want to buy that works out of the box says "mini >pci card" > >what does that mean and will it fit like a regular pci card in a tower pc? That would be a "No". The mini-PCI is a small card designed to mount inside a netbook or other small-form-factor PC. It will not work in the PCI slots of a typical desktop computer. Neither will the newer full size PCI-e cards. There are even two incompatible "mini" card types. Regular mini PCI is about 2" by 3". The Mini Pci-e is about 1"x2". Neither will be useful in a typical desktop. You also have to watch out for half-height card brackets, designed for the smaller desktop systems that don't have room for full-size PCI cards. (It's OK to have a half-height card as long as it comes with a full-height bracket.) --Don -- When you see the Christmas Lights go up in the stores, you know Thanksg.. Hallo.., uh, *Labor Day* can't be far behind! From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 16:01:55 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 8 16:02:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dumb question mini pci card? In-Reply-To: <2jfda5pf9foojjq0vj505ghc0ulbkfurje@4ax.com> References: <7e4994a70909081236g2d5678e1xce0088053f6d9193@mail.gmail.com> <2jfda5pf9foojjq0vj505ghc0ulbkfurje@4ax.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909081401w5d08c8c8ua560b50f5fe1e105@mail.gmail.com> thanks Don! I did notice half height on a few things too..so at least now I know what I have to have...thanks again...c On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:36:25 -0500, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > >this threw me...the card I want to buy that works out of the box says > "mini > >pci card" > > > >what does that mean and will it fit like a regular pci card in a tower pc? > > That would be a "No". The mini-PCI is a small card designed to mount > inside a netbook or other small-form-factor PC. It will not work in the > PCI slots of a typical desktop computer. Neither will the newer full > size PCI-e cards. > > There are even two incompatible "mini" card types. Regular mini PCI is > about 2" by 3". The Mini Pci-e is about 1"x2". Neither will be useful in > a typical desktop. > > You also have to watch out for half-height card brackets, designed for > the smaller desktop systems that don't have room for full-size PCI > cards. (It's OK to have a half-height card as long as it comes with a > full-height bracket.) --Don > > -- > When you see the Christmas Lights go up in the stores, you know > Thanksg.. Hallo.., uh, *Labor Day* can't be far behind! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 8 16:09:42 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Sep 8 16:09:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder: September Meeting is Thursday, Sep. 10 Message-ID: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> Just a reminder that this Thursday night is the regular SATLUG monthly meeting. Topic TBA, which is often fun. Members who ordered SATLUG shirts should contact Jim Wells to arrange for them to be brought to the meeting for pickup. He'll be playing for the Shrine Circus, so the other officers will substitute. Please bring your receipts. See www.satlug.org for location details. School is in session so parking may be an 'adventure.' See you there! --Don -- I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one textbook.) From youcanlinux at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 16:10:54 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Tue Sep 8 16:10:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - NINja ? Message-ID: As in NINja squirrel ? The squirrels up here are very chatty and, for those acquainted with me would be surprised that I actually have a family of squirrels living in the tree in my back yard, and I leave them in peace. They're "cute." On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM, ed wrote: > I like my favorite cocktail, a "99" - NIN and 9mm. > ... From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 16:30:36 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Tue Sep 8 16:30:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] evms command line... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909081246l4fc8fde1kca2dd6c80f292c4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908281407i21a5783bk5a4b6ce98db35629@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908300809q3fe30643u47d4fc0e8863c41b@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908310109u15962af9ld2e5b50be0f55215@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909080845p36adb02ex8c57c98d88d8ddab@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0909081002j2e855ddarb3e756cb89058057@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909081246l4fc8fde1kca2dd6c80f292c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0909081430g3da1d327re709b87bd8487f4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:02, Enrique Sanchez So you have a standard active/passive (failover) cluster set up for > Application and RAC (Infers Active/Active) for DB, right? > > >> > I am thinking that standard LVM can be used via import/export scripts in >> the failover policy. >> >> that's an idea, will explore it now. thank you., >> you nailed it, when I first began working on this problem I was wondering why it couldn't be done as it had been done in the original HACMP ( for IBM's/CLAM's HACMP) also I wasn't aware of how Heartbeat v2. worked at all, so after asking a couple of questions & reading a lot of information got into EVMS, which thankfully royally s**ks, then after more reading into how HB works and learned all about the OCF resources/primitives,etc... which lead me to read check the existing primitives, there I found a strangely named LVM which doesn't do anything else other than running vgexport/vgimport on a traditional LVM2 volume group, by then I had forgotten my initial question and wanted to do it on an active-active cluster. > > This would only apply to the Application cluster. The RAC would have to be > run differently. From my cursory research, CLVM looks like the VGs can be > shared amongst participating nodes (comm is done via CLVMD over the network, > not sure what best practice is, since most clusters have at least 1 client > facing network and at least 1 cluster only network, so not sure if the > cluster.conf handles nodes with more than 1 ip address. Would assume so, > but have not tried it. > right, only for the App servers, the Database ones will be another story, guess I'll need to use EVMS there, even thou I don't like it. > >> I get a bunch of 8.43 GB EMC Shares and I need to group them together >> by class ( Tier1, Tier2 and T3) on volume groups. >> > > That makes sense, T1 VGs, T2 VGs, T3 VGs. Would not have MixTier VG (as > that could lead to badness) > > >> > That makes sense, AFAIK RAC (and most standard cluster types) requires >> > shared block storage (FC/iSCSI/etc) most do not function well with shared >> > file-level (NFS or similar) due to the locking mechanisms involved. >> >> Oracle RAC works well with GPFS (IBM's but that costs an arm and a leg). >> > > Some would argue that the licensing required to run RAC costs an Arm + Leg + > Soul to begin with, so adding GPFS would leave no legs nor arms. Not sure > if GFS (RedHat Global FS) could help here either. Maybe even Polyserve (Not > sure of Oracle support though) > > I agree, besides EVMS is only supported in SUSE10 and no longer >> developed, so adopting it right now is not what I would call >> brilliant. >> > > Did not realize EVMS bit the dust. I agree, building in another deprecated > dependancy would be poor planning. > > GFS is not supported in SLES10, Jeremy Mann has suggested Lustre, which seems to be a good option as I don't want to be stuck on something that does not provide a migration path to something, there is also Veritas Cluster manager but Lustre seems more promising. >> thank you again, >> Enrique. >> -- >> > > Sure. I freelance if there is room on the project > > > John P From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Sep 8 17:58:41 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Sep 8 17:58:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909080645o4f683a62g3e73a1a827c87a82@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <79ec289f0909080645o4f683a62g3e73a1a827c87a82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA6E1A1.3030108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Geoff wrote: > > >> The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to >> what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing >> nice. >> >> Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San >> Antonio that's causing the problems? It -is- AT&T and one would think >> that they'd be on the same network... >> > > Geoff, are you trying to use your Houston settings for her computer we're both @att.net Wouldn't the settings be the same? My pop3 server is pop.att.yahoo.com smtp is smpt.att.yahoo.com Both are from sbcglobal, both have @att.net addresses - what's the diff? From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Tue Sep 8 18:03:04 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Sep 8 18:01:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT From SAPD - NINja ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA6E2A8.8060708@suddenlink.net> If you ever get a taste for squirrel stew, or grilled squirrel, you can make a silencer for a .22 out of a one litre soda bottle. The 3 litre size works great for silencing shotguns. Of course, once you pull the trigger the silencer become open source. Peace, Dennis Daniel Villarreal wrote: > As in NINja squirrel ? > > The squirrels up here are very chatty and, for those acquainted with me > would be surprised that I actually have a family of squirrels living in the > tree in my back yard, and I leave them in peace. They're "cute." > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM, ed wrote: > >> I like my favorite cocktail, a "99" - NIN and 9mm. >> > ... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/08/09 06:48:00 > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Sep 8 20:35:24 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Sep 8 20:35:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Howard Haradon wrote: >>> The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to >>> what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing >>> nice. >>> Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in San >>> Antonio that's causing the problems? It -is- AT&T and one would think >>> that they'd be on the same network... >>> Thanks for any help. >>> -Geoff >>> > > I am an AT&T customer with an sbcglobal.net address. Here is what > the servers are for me: > MemberID@sbcglobal.net pop.att.yahoo.com smtp.att.yahoo.com > > Here is one of their support pages: > http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=102&cv=742,102&_DARGS=/esupport/sharedSegments/supportViewService.jsp > > Good luck, HH > That's what mine are, Howard... not to mention port 995 for pop and 465 for smtp. Everyting is done, as far as i can tell, correctly. We'll see when we get the system back to San Antonio and try it there. From leivajose at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 02:15:04 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (Jose Leiva) Date: Wed Sep 9 02:15:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Geoff wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > >>> The server settings, incoming pop and outgoing smtp are identical to > >>> what my setup is (ports 995 and 465, respectively) but it's not playing > >>> nice. > >>> Could it be the geographic location of being in Houston, vs being in > San > >>> Antonio that's causing the problems? It -is- AT&T and one would think > >>> that they'd be on the same network... > >>> Thanks for any help. > >>> -Geoff > >>> > > > > I am an AT&T customer with an sbcglobal.net address. Here is what > > the servers are for me: > > MemberID@sbcglobal.net pop.att.yahoo.com smtp.att.yahoo.com > > > > Here is one of their support pages: > > > http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=102&cv=742,102&_DARGS=/esupport/sharedSegments/supportViewService.jsp > > > > Good luck, HH > > > > That's what mine are, Howard... not to mention port 995 for pop and 465 > for smtp. > Everyting is done, as far as i can tell, correctly. > > We'll see when we get the system back to San Antonio and try it there. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > I guess make sure you have clicked on the SSL button (for both stmp and pop), had some trouble with a friends account then I checked the SSL button and it worked after that. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 11:35:39 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Sep 9 11:35:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]looking for an SGI O2 Message-ID: <359692.56083.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> anybody have one they're willing to part with (in good shape/working condition) From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 12:26:40 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 9 12:26:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]looking for an SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <359692.56083.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <359692.56083.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909091026v11db902ag23b4bb6f9c1d2e37@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > anybody have one they're willing to part with (in good shape/working condition) Alex, the Health Science Center is always having auctions. I'm sure they got plenty of SGIs and computer parts available. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From j at jvpappas.net Wed Sep 9 13:21:11 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Sep 9 13:21:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] filesystem resize on SLES10. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0909080804k7cde6a5eoa03cc791618d10a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0909080804k7cde6a5eoa03cc791618d10a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909091121q29a0de2dk4dc8bf8d81621a92@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:04, Enrique Sanchez wrote: > Hello folks, > > We have a bunch of servers running SLES10 for SAP and once or twice a > week we have a fire drill to expand the filesystems for the DBAs, be > either they size the filesystems wrong, they need to upgrade and it > involves using more storage, or whatever, we just throw more SAN space > to the boxes, extend the volume groups, logical volumes and > filesystems accordingly, but I don't seem to find a supported cluster > aware logical volume manager for SLES10 that allows online or at least > offline extension of a filesystem. > LVM with cluster extensions (CLVM, not sure if SLES LVM is compiled with the code) and CLVMD should have no problem with resizing the LV. The trick is going to be the file system. What FS do you use now? > is there such a beast of a cluster aware logical volume manager for > SLES10 that allows online extension for a filesystem, I would settle > for a filesystem that allows offline extension if it does not involve > recreating the whole thing over and over again? other than GPFS > please. > Polyserve. Expensive & Proprietary but tuned for clustered DB instances and files. Can even use on hetero clusters (easy file share betwixt Win/Lin on the same SAN). Continue off list discussion if you need me to send a RFQ to my team for pricing (I gain nothing on the recommendation FWIW). HTH, jp From j at jvpappas.net Wed Sep 9 16:05:45 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:05:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Unknown Device XXXX and Analog Cable In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909060824n578099d3ya0a780cada28a3b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909060824n578099d3ya0a780cada28a3b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909091405x6dc92919ybc0a9e34a9bff04d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the lag, ironically this is the EXACT problem that I had been dealing with my PVR500 (basically a dual 150). Fortunately, both 150 and 1600 are supported (analog and digital for the latter), but you should grab the up to date Mercurial. Given that the info below is all ancillary to the conversation, but not needed for discussion, I am leaving it in place and top posting ;) The unrecognized hardware is caused by your version of the driver not having the PCIIDs coded in the driver (Each card has several revisions, so the PCIIDs can be different for the same "model"), so just update/compile the driver to/from the latest stable release (my output is below yours). Notice I had to up the latency to 128 (0x80) to keep the driver happy, you did not report issues like that, so YMMV. Here are the steps. Note, each is CRITICALLY important to success. I did not do the `make menuconfig` and the modules would compile but not load. Also notice the steps needed when the kernel version is updated (#10). BTW, these steps do not address firmware collection, as I am assuming that the firmware is recent and loaded by existing driver: 1. Make sure you can compile drivers with the kernel headers installed: Verify kernel-headers are installed (I keep the src tree installed as well) 2. Install Mercurial `apt-get`, or in my case, `zypper install mercurial` 3. Clone (or update) the v4l repository `hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/` or in the v4l-dvb directory `hg update -C` 4. `rm -Rf /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/` 5. Make working directory the cloned source tree `cd v4l-dvb` 6. Generate the .config file needed for proper compiliation `make menuconfig` 7. Run make in the new directory `make` 8. run make install `make install` 9. reboot computer `reboot` 10. After kernel version change: `make distclean;make menuconfig;make;make install;make unload;modprobe ivtv` HTH, jp On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:24, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, > I have two Hauppauge cards one is a PVR-150 and another is an HVR-1600. > Both > when I run lspci -v return the following: > > 01:04.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 > Single-Chip > MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder > Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 7400 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 > Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data > Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2 > Kernel driver in use: cx18 > Kernel modules: cx18 > > 01:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 > (CX23416) > MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) > Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 37f1 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17 > Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] > Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 > Kernel driver in use: ivtv > Kernel modules: ivtv > > However, I don't know what the "Unknown Device XXXX" means. Is this code > missing in the drivers or something else? Also, the wife and I have analog > cable coming into the house and both cards don't recognize channels 33-60 > from Time Warner Cable. All of my Analog TV's in the house have no issues > but for some reason both cards cannot recognize the channels. > 06:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. WinTV PVR 500 (1st unit) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 18 Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ivtv Kernel modules: ivtv 06:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. WinTV PVR 500 (2nd unit) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 19 Memory at c4000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ivtv Kernel modules: ivtv From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 19:57:33 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Sep 9 19:57:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder: September Meeting is Thursday, Sep. 10 In-Reply-To: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> References: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> Message-ID: I can possibly do a presentation on cloud computing at the meeting if you would like. I should be getting in from Phoenix around 5, so that would leave me enough time to change and head down to the meeting. This is all assuming, of course, that the airlines are on time etc. If the group would like that, I would be happy to do so. Ernest On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Don Wright wrote: > Just a reminder that this Thursday night is the regular SATLUG monthly > meeting. Topic TBA, which is often fun. > > Members who ordered SATLUG shirts should contact Jim Wells > to arrange for them to be brought to the meeting > for pickup. He'll be playing for the Shrine Circus, so the other > officers will substitute. Please bring your receipts. > > See www.satlug.org for location details. School is in session so parking > may be an 'adventure.' > > See you there! --Don > > -- > I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity > than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one > textbook.) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From president at satlug.org Wed Sep 9 21:30:45 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Wed Sep 9 21:30:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder: September Meeting is Thursday, Sep. 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909091414h2370ad87v6a6c18de41b24689@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> <7c63fb3d0909081414q27331b3cy29ed7e0b67e04bb1@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0909091327qf1158f4pe12b38e836e33a4d@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0909091414h2370ad87v6a6c18de41b24689@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0909091930q4f26ed4fn29af160090e4f951@mail.gmail.com> Peter Cross agreed this afternoon to do a presentation on the Amahi Home server. A little information follows: The Amahi Home server has several advantages for the home user as their Home Digital Assistant (HDA). Primarily the distro is: - a "home server" - a new kind of "distro", kept live with updates - apps packaged by the community via web interface - goal is to be easy to deploy and make the life of the "designated IT" person easier - best of class management system (AJAX) - API for notifications ... - Server runs itself without continuous daily/month cycles of SysAdmin -System is ambidextrous and can be configured to the needs of the end-user easily. Since the software is based off of Fedora you get all of the functionality of the primary operating system to run on a heterogeneous hardware environment. We currently have HDA's running on everything from Pentium III's to Dual core Atom Mini-ATX boards. My HDA is a repurposed Dell Dimension 2400 Pentium IV 2.66GHz 1GB of Memory, 160+250GB drives. In addition Ben Price is the only person who has said that he will be at the meeting to pick up his shirt. If anyone else plans to be there PLEASE let me know by noon on Thursday so I have a chance to get by the house & get the shirts to bring with me. Remind me of the size & color of your shirts so I don't foul up. Sorry but it's been a long day already & tomorrow will be longer. I won't be at the meeting until around 8 or 8:15 as I will be coming straight from the Alzafar Shrine Circus at Freeman Coliseum. Jim ps. I'm working with Ernest on doing his presentation on cloud computing in either October or November. As soon as I know more we will let the list know. JW From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:55:56 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Sep 9 21:56:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder: September Meeting is Thursday, Sep. 10 In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0909091930q4f26ed4fn29af160090e4f951@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> <7c63fb3d0909081414q27331b3cy29ed7e0b67e04bb1@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0909091327qf1158f4pe12b38e836e33a4d@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0909091414h2370ad87v6a6c18de41b24689@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0909091930q4f26ed4fn29af160090e4f951@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds good - see you there. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 08:36:16 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Sep 10 08:36:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Video Capture Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have experience with USB video capture devices that work in Linux (and Windows of course)? I just need a composite input with RCA/BNC connector, audio is optional. Not looking to spend a lot of money because it would only be for testing camera feeds, no tuning required. Found this at Frys, but I can't seem to track down any Linux compatibility for it: http://www.frys.com/product/5901074 Thanks, Henry From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 10:14:37 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Sep 10 10:14:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM Message-ID: I couldn't be more proud of Larry Ellison's recent statement in an ad on the back page of the New York Times. For those that want to know how Oracle plans to aid Open Solaris, Solaris, Sun and the SPARC platform, here it is... http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html The clash of the titans begins. I'm stoked! From j at jvpappas.net Thu Sep 10 11:24:13 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:24:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Video Capture In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909100924y6a935189nc8c7a14ea04a8367@mail.gmail.com> Digital or Analog? My bet would be Hauppauge HDPVR: USB Composite/SVideo. I have seen it for as low as $150. AFAIK the USB2 (NTSC) and HVR-900 (ATSC/QAM only, analog "maybe") are supported. Check linuxtv.org and kernellabs.com for driver support. Also http://hardware4linux.info/type/87/ may help. The trick here is the RCA+USB. Sorry that I cannot be more help here, but I only use capture for TV. jp On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:36, Henry Pugsley wrote: > Anyone have experience with USB video capture devices that work in > Linux (and Windows of course)? I just need a composite input with > RCA/BNC connector, audio is optional. Not looking to spend a lot of > money because it would only be for testing camera feeds, no tuning > required. > > Found this at Frys, but I can't seem to track down any Linux > compatibility for it: > http://www.frys.com/product/5901074 > > Thanks, > Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 10 11:24:22 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:24:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:14 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I couldn't be more proud of Larry Ellison's recent statement in an ad on the > back page of the New York Times. For those that want to know how Oracle > plans to aid Open Solaris, Solaris, Sun and the SPARC platform, here it > is... > http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html > The clash of the titans begins. I'm stoked! Yeah, I think it will benefit the industry as a whole to have another systems builder committed to offering an alternative to AMD and Intel, but I didn't see anything in that web page about Open Solaris - it seems that Oracle would be competing against its own unbreakable linux to continue with Open Solaris development. I'm hoping they do continue both Open Solaris and Virtual Box because as much as I like VMware, Virtual Box works really well for me and I like the price a lot better. Al Castanoli From j at jvpappas.net Thu Sep 10 11:28:28 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:28:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Video Capture In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909100928o62629c91x45bd967f24f24014@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:36, Henry Pugsley wrote: > Found this at Frys, but I can't seem to track down any Linux > compatibility for it: > http://www.frys.com/product/5901074 > My bet is that the capture is done via software driver, thus linux support is unlikely unless the manufacturer releases HW specs and a person is interested in developing the driver. If you are lucky it may be supported by the BTTV driver, but you would have to buy and test. Depending on your framerate needs, you could look for a security camera capture card, there was some discussion on XCSSA a while back. TWeeks may have more useful info here.... HTH, jp From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 11:42:29 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:42:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Video Capture In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909100928o62629c91x45bd967f24f24014@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909100928o62629c91x45bd967f24f24014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909100942p65370064y75c3f9f8164cb831@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Depending on your framerate needs, you could look for a security camera > capture card, there was some discussion on XCSSA a while back. ?TWeeks may > have more useful info here.... > This is pretty much what I need (security camera). I have a bt878 PCI card in my server at home, but I need something portable for my laptops. 30fps NTSC would be the max it needs to support. -Henry From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 12:29:15 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:29:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays Message-ID: <79ec289f0909101029q4181264bq9a0db257366a3283@mail.gmail.com> I've got dual displays on my G5 Mac. I have Gentoo PPC on here and for some reason X switches the primary display to the secondary display. To get around this, I simply switched DVI cables (95% of my time is spent in PPC Linux), but if I reboot into OSX the monitors are now switched. I've played around with randr but cannot get the right configuration to fix this. Any ideas on how to permanently fix this? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Sep 10 12:31:05 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:31:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM In-Reply-To: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> References: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <4AA937D9.1060502@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Al Castanoli wrote: > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:14 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> I couldn't be more proud of Larry Ellison's recent statement in an ad on the >> back page of the New York Times. For those that want to know how Oracle >> plans to aid Open Solaris, Solaris, Sun and the SPARC platform, here it >> is... > >> http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html > >> The clash of the titans begins. I'm stoked! I'd like to see better sparc support for virtualization. Get Xen running on Sparc systems and you could do some very interesting things... And competition is for the win! > > Yeah, I think it will benefit the industry as a whole to have another > systems builder committed to offering an alternative to AMD and Intel, > but I didn't see anything in that web page about Open Solaris - it seems > that Oracle would be competing against its own unbreakable linux to > continue with Open Solaris development. > > I'm hoping they do continue both Open Solaris and Virtual Box because as > much as I like VMware, Virtual Box works really well for me and I like > the price a lot better. > > Al Castanoli > I think they'll do good things for java, I hope they continue to contribute to it's open source goodness. It'll definitely be interesting. Perhaps they'll ditch their linux for an opensolaris derivative. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKqTfZAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObpsgL/2kFFjzEmbWrfNBVc41gVJGb 7XWCmvPUeGPhuY28J9K1/FLe9G7xYTVcxRCAQqt74Ns+A/jKteKCl4rAoccY9MKy /k7slCR7K1gA/IEQZdl2U694ISA8br3NS0cYoAlep4SrNF8AsBX8Scf12Ff4AVo7 t9kiylTFbqQP/RH2VTSRjMRhp1SmhTAKbLThpnKaPrTDkZ3Ni9q46/YnVhM916o3 UmXeIXho8ytL4cyBKCEzJmqVPjD+iXyMMAx45+vrBkuDN41fW3Gy3+hy/c7rLcMk P7qrleUFQS7RkqPQ8TnQuadPm37DI1ivq5aPKTqsxnyr/+IgFOVfvxM+93F2t4PM NgxIHXxyjwbouBh2t1U1lx5yCSRTDaFRBo/BR536geoHSku7jv0oX8gP2PAr28FM OmI4PiKHKCUjjC1yVFcGvPM2kAv6TYaRsmtA79dD/8NcDte6/baVunkYF+7/Pfus fnjBZcM7N4ppFuipomTGu5PnZCa6Z1EiH2lwCTVqJA== =UZHb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pjcrux at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:13:25 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Sep 10 14:13:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router? Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909101213q91af706w477b9db351508468@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I've been researching on how to adapt a 802.11G wireless adapter(s) into a wireless router. Does anyone know if there are any projects out there on how to do this or is this a pioneering expedition on my part? -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From hc at lookcee.com Thu Sep 10 14:21:25 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Sep 10 14:21:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM In-Reply-To: <4AA937D9.1060502@shlrm.org> References: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> <4AA937D9.1060502@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4AA951B5.5090204@lookcee.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Al Castanoli wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:14 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> >>> I couldn't be more proud of Larry Ellison's recent statement in an ad on the >>> back page of the New York Times. For those that want to know how Oracle >>> plans to aid Open Solaris, Solaris, Sun and the SPARC platform, here it >>> is... >>> >>> http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html >>> >>> The clash of the titans begins. I'm stoked! >>> > > I'd like to see better sparc support for virtualization. Get Xen running > on Sparc systems and you could do some very interesting things... > And competition is for the win! > > >> Yeah, I think it will benefit the industry as a whole to have another >> systems builder committed to offering an alternative to AMD and Intel, >> but I didn't see anything in that web page about Open Solaris - it seems >> that Oracle would be competing against its own unbreakable linux to >> continue with Open Solaris development. >> >> I'm hoping they do continue both Open Solaris and Virtual Box because as >> much as I like VMware, Virtual Box works really well for me and I like >> the price a lot better. >> >> Al Castanoli >> >> > > I think they'll do good things for java, I hope they continue to > contribute to it's open source goodness. It'll definitely be > interesting. Perhaps they'll ditch their linux for an opensolaris > derivative. > > David > Hmmmm forgive me for being paranoid but this is the same L Ellison that offered GW the free use of his products to set up a national ID system. I simply cannot believe he has any intention other than personal gain. herb Larry Ellison From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Sep 10 18:31:42 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:31:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USB Video Capture In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0909100942p65370064y75c3f9f8164cb831@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909100928o62629c91x45bd967f24f24014@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0909100942p65370064y75c3f9f8164cb831@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252625502.9268.3.camel@redpill-laptop> if its video capture on your laptop, the condsider using a usb webcam and cheese (the prog not the dairy product:). Todd On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 11:42 -0500, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > Depending on your framerate needs, you could look for a security camera > > capture card, there was some discussion on XCSSA a while back. TWeeks may > > have more useful info here.... > > > > This is pretty much what I need (security camera). I have a bt878 PCI > card in my server at home, but I need something portable for my > laptops. 30fps NTSC would be the max it needs to support. > > -Henry From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Sep 10 18:33:47 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:33:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router? In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909101213q91af706w477b9db351508468@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909101213q91af706w477b9db351508468@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252625627.9268.5.camel@redpill-laptop> check out pfsense or dd-wrt Todd On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 14:13 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, > I've been researching on how to adapt a 802.11G wireless adapter(s) into a > wireless router. Does anyone know if there are any projects out there on how > to do this or is this a pioneering expedition on my part? > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 19:56:54 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Sep 10 19:56:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: USB Video Capture In-Reply-To: <1252625502.9268.3.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1003aeaa0909100636g92eb7b5o94839866d42a41db@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909100928o62629c91x45bd967f24f24014@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0909100942p65370064y75c3f9f8164cb831@mail.gmail.com> <1252625502.9268.3.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909101756r1312678emdb1ba49b7c6f8ecb@mail.gmail.com> No, I need to plug into a security camera that has a BNC connector on it. Mainly for testing and focusing. -Henry On 9/10/09, redpill wrote: > if its video capture on your laptop, the condsider using a usb webcam > and cheese (the prog not the dairy product:). > > Todd > > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 11:42 -0500, Henry Pugsley wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM, John Pappas wrote: >> > Depending on your framerate needs, you could look for a security camera >> > capture card, there was some discussion on XCSSA a while back. TWeeks >> > may >> > have more useful info here.... >> > >> >> This is pretty much what I need (security camera). I have a bt878 PCI >> card in my server at home, but I need something portable for my >> laptops. 30fps NTSC would be the max it needs to support. >> >> -Henry > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 21:56:21 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Sep 10 21:56:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM In-Reply-To: <4AA951B5.5090204@lookcee.com> References: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> <4AA937D9.1060502@shlrm.org> <4AA951B5.5090204@lookcee.com> Message-ID: I've never known Larry to give anything away for free. Where is this cited? Aside from that, monetary gain and the greater good are not mutually exclusive concepts. I'm very optimistic as to how this will unfold in the near term and short term. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > David Kowis wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Al Castanoli wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:14 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I couldn't be more proud of Larry Ellison's recent statement in an ad on >>>> the >>>> back page of the New York Times. For those that want to know how Oracle >>>> plans to aid Open Solaris, Solaris, Sun and the SPARC platform, here it >>>> is... >>>> http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html >>>> The clash of the titans begins. I'm stoked! >>>> >>>> >>> >> I'd like to see better sparc support for virtualization. Get Xen running >> on Sparc systems and you could do some very interesting things... >> And competition is for the win! >> >> >> >>> Yeah, I think it will benefit the industry as a whole to have another >>> systems builder committed to offering an alternative to AMD and Intel, >>> but I didn't see anything in that web page about Open Solaris - it seems >>> that Oracle would be competing against its own unbreakable linux to >>> continue with Open Solaris development. >>> >>> I'm hoping they do continue both Open Solaris and Virtual Box because as >>> much as I like VMware, Virtual Box works really well for me and I like >>> the price a lot better. >>> >>> Al Castanoli >>> >>> >> >> I think they'll do good things for java, I hope they continue to >> contribute to it's open source goodness. It'll definitely be >> interesting. Perhaps they'll ditch their linux for an opensolaris >> derivative. >> >> David >> >> > Hmmmm forgive me for being paranoid but this is the same L Ellison that > offered GW the free use of his products to set up a national ID system. I > simply cannot believe he has any intention other than personal gain. > herb > > Larry Ellison > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 10 22:08:52 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:08:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] kandy (cell phone sync) In-Reply-To: <4AA99F0E.7020403@gmail.com> References: <4AA99F0E.7020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA9BF44.2030809@satx.rr.com> Michael wrote: > Hey y'all, > > I have an LG LX160 cell phone. I just purchased a data cable, but it > didn't come with any software. Even if it did, it probably would have > been Windows only. > > I have checked out kandy, but it appears to be only for Nokia cell > phones. Does anyone on the list use a (Linux) sync program with their > cell phone? Would you please share any experiences, details, etc.? > > Thanks > Michael > I have a Motorola Razr that I'd also like to be able to sync, upload/download pictures, etc., so I'd be interested in apps for that as well. Al Lesmerises From othniel at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 22:28:49 2009 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:28:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Reminder: September Meeting is Thursday, Sep. 10 In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0909091930q4f26ed4fn29af160090e4f951@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dhda51jmf45l270n62ejs7pg69qja0ldv@4ax.com> <7c63fb3d0909081414q27331b3cy29ed7e0b67e04bb1@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0909091327qf1158f4pe12b38e836e33a4d@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0909091414h2370ad87v6a6c18de41b24689@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0909091930q4f26ed4fn29af160090e4f951@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24b598f60909102028l384697b3mdd49342f6dfbb35b@mail.gmail.com> At 7:00PM tonite I introduced and started screening a video debunking evolution science, since the speaker, Peter Cross, had not appeared. I received strong positive feedback from all who watched the entire video. According to Glen Boswell, "It was not preachy. Not even religious in content." When Peter arrived I stepped aside and he spoke for about an hour. The Amahi server provides similar functionality to the webmin open source project with which many of us are familiar. The presenter Peter was not aware of the existence of the older and much larger open source project webmin. When that presentation was over, I continued the video which received praise for presentation of scientific fact and use of special effects to aide in visualizing and remembering the concepts being presented. As I stated in my introduction to the video, the quality is at least on par with the NOVA series. Contact me off list for further information or to arrange a private screening. I was asked if the video is about Intelligent Design and if it has anything to do with Linux. I said, "Watch and see." A more direct answer is that the video has everything to do with this organization. SATLUG is about the free and open discussion of ideas, exchanging of ideas without bias or censorship. It is about freedom of correct information and the debunking of disinformation. I did that today. Othniel Graichen (210) 520-2425 From hc at lookcee.com Fri Sep 11 00:34:03 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Sep 11 00:34:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] "We're in it to win it" Oracle takes aim at IBM In-Reply-To: References: <1252599862.5834.5.camel@phrodo> <4AA937D9.1060502@shlrm.org> <4AA951B5.5090204@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4AA9E14B.4050501@lookcee.com> Ernest De Leon wrote: > I've never known Larry to give anything away for free. Where is this cited? > Aside from that, monetary gain and the greater good are not mutually > exclusive concepts. I'm very optimistic as to how this will unfold in the > near term and short term. > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > > >> Hmmmm forgive me for being paranoid but this is the same L Ellison that >> offered GW the free use of his products to set up a national ID system. I >> simply cannot believe he has any intention other than personal gain. >> herb Ernest, you are correct, "monetary gain and the greater good are not mutually exclusive concepts", I don't recall the news event but I remember it made me angry. It was attempting to further Bush's effort to erode personal freedom. I have never met Mr. Ellison but the impression it left on me was the man was dangerous. I will see if I can find the reference over the weekend. herb From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Sep 11 10:29:04 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:29:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Christopher Lemire wrote: > I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. you were lied to. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jjjordan at grandecom.net Fri Sep 11 10:37:10 2009 From: jjjordan at grandecom.net (JJordan) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:37:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays References: <79ec289f0909101029q4181264bq9a0db257366a3283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays > I've got dual displays on my G5 Mac. I have Gentoo PPC on here and for > some reason X switches the primary display to the secondary display. > To get around this, I simply switched DVI cables (95% of my time is > spent in PPC Linux), but if I reboot into OSX the monitors are now > switched. > > I've played around with randr but cannot get the right configuration > to fix this. > > Any ideas on how to permanently fix this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have nano (or another favorite editor), at the C prompt, execute the following line: "nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" . In the "Monitor" and "Screen sections, change monitor 0 (zero) to one and monitor 1 to 0 (zero). This change must be made in both Screen and Monitor "Sections" of the xorg.conf file. When finished, press Ctrl and x keys simultaneously, say "yes", press Enter, and the file will be saved and closed (this is with nano). Run startx and check-out the results. Regards, Jim From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Sep 11 10:37:51 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Sep 11 10:37:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAA6ECF.8050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jose Leiva wrote: > I guess make sure you have clicked on the SSL button (for both stmp and > pop), had some trouble with a friends account then I checked the SSL button > and it worked after that. > Exactly what it was. I was manually editing the port numbers, and not paying attention to the protocol. Got that corrected, clicked the correct tick-boxes, and "BAM!" it worked as it was supposed to. Thanks, all, for the help and suggestions. -Geoff (Baja Spring, TX) From lgj at usenix.org Fri Sep 11 14:31:00 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Fri Sep 11 14:31:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENIX NSDI '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <91FA50B2-8253-49AE-B607-B63988B0C7C0@usenix.org> We're writing to remind you that the NSDI '10 submissions deadline is approaching. Please submit your paper titles and abstracts by 5:00 p.m. PDT on September 25, 2009. http://www.usenix.org/nsdi10/cfpb The 7th USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation (NSDI '10) focuses on the design principles and practical evaluation of large-scale networked and distributed systems. The Program Committee seeks a broad variety of work that furthers the knowledge and understanding of the networked systems community as a whole, continues a significant research dialog, or pushes the architectural boundaries of large-scale network services. 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Snoeren, University of California, San Diego NSDI '10 Program Co-Chairs nsdi10chairs@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers: 7th USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation (NSDI '10) April 28-30, 2010 San Jose, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/nsdi10/cfpb Sponsored by USENIX in cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM and ACM SIGOPS Paper titles and abstracts due: September 25, 2009 Complete paper submissions due: October 2, 2009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From adlabens at swbell.net Fri Sep 11 17:24:31 2009 From: adlabens at swbell.net (David Labens) Date: Fri Sep 11 17:24:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID5 Recovery - Post Mortem Review - Food For Thought Message-ID: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've now copied all the data off the RAID5 array - using the copy as a backup till I get backups up.? The 1 tb drive has approximately 244 gb of data on it (used space), and I've copied ALL the data from the array. The array consists of 4 HDDs with 250 GB each, a total array size of approx 1 TB, but approx 750 GB of usable storage space. My "off the top" conclusion is that the array should have approximately 500 GB of free space on it.? But, I'm finding that the numbers don't add up.? Note the "Used Dev Size : 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB)"? And I wonder what that means? ----------------------------------- root@RCH-SERVER:/# mdadm --detail /dev/md0 ? /dev/md0: ??????? Version : 01.00 ? Creation Time : Sat Jan 10 13:03:52 2009 ???? Raid Level : raid5 ???? Array Size : 732587520 (698.65 GiB 750.17 GB) ? Used Dev Size : 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB) ?? Raid Devices : 4 ??Total Devices : 4 Preferred Minor : 0 ??? Persistence : Superblock is persistent ? ? Intent Bitmap : Internal ? ??? Update Time : Sat Aug 29 06:35:14 2009 ????????? State : active ?Active Devices : 4 Working Devices : 4 ?Failed Devices : 0 ? Spare Devices : 0 ? ???????? Layout : left-asymmetric ???? Chunk Size : 128K ? ?????????? Name : 0 ?????????? UUID : 13782a18:85c82f51:e999ccd0:c2ca0614 ???????? Events : 3006 ? ??? Number?? Major?? Minor?? RaidDevice State ?????? 0?????? 8?????? 65??????? 0????? active sync?? /dev/sde1 ?????? 1?????? 8??????? 1??????? 1????? active sync?? /dev/sda1 ?????? 2?????? 8?????? 17??????? 2????? active sync?? /dev/sdb1 ?????? 4?????? 8?????? 33??????? 3????? active sync?? /dev/sdc1 ? ----------------------------------- BUT, all four disks seem to be working: ----------------------------------- root@RCH-SERVER:/# mdadm --examine /dev/sda1 (same stats for sdb1, sdc1, & sde1. sdd1 is the 80 gb OS HDD): ? /dev/sda1: ????????? Magic : a92b4efc ??????? Version : 1.0 ??? Feature Map : 0x1 ???? Array UUID : 13782a18:85c82f51:e999ccd0:c2ca0614 ?????????? Name : 0 ? Creation Time : Sat Jan 10 13:03:52 2009 ???? Raid Level : raid5 ?? Raid Devices : 4 ? ?Avail Dev Size : 488391728 (232.88 GiB 250.06 GB) ???? Array Size : 1465175040 (698.65 GiB 750.17 GB) ? Used Dev Size : 488391680 (232.88 GiB 250.06 GB) ?? Super Offset : 488391984 sectors ????????? State : clean ??? Device UUID : 7cd2101b:57561ce9:d9ba5317:d46c59d3 ? Internal Bitmap : -234 sectors from superblock ??? Update Time : Sat Aug 29 06:35:14 2009 ?????? Checksum : d1882345 - correct ???????? Events : 3006 ? ???????? Layout : left-asymmetric ???? Chunk Size : 128K ? ??? Array Slot : 1 (0, 1, 2, failed, 3) ?? Array State : uUuu 1 failed ? root@RCH-SERVER:/# ?----------------------------------- Also, this may help with the analysis: ----------------------------------- root@RCH-SERVER:/# fdisk -l ? Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x41413535 ? ?? Device Boot????? Start???????? End????? Blocks?? Id? System /dev/sda1?????????????? 1?????? 30401?? 244196001?? fd? Linux raid autodetect/dev/sdb1?????????????? 1?????? 30401?? 244196001?? fd? Linux raid autodetect /dev/sdc1?????? ????????1?????? 30401?? 244196001?? fd? Linux raid autodetect /dev/sde1?????????????? 1?????? 30401?? 244196001?? fd? Linux raid autodetect? root@RCH-SERVER:/# David Labens San Antonio, TX From satlug at net153.net Fri Sep 11 18:24:39 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Sep 11 18:24:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID5 Recovery - Post Mortem Review - Food For Thought In-Reply-To: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AAADC37.4040301@net153.net> David Labens wrote: > I've now copied all the data off the RAID5 array - using the copy as a > backup till I get backups up. The 1 tb drive has approximately 244 gb > of data on it (used space), and I've copied ALL the data from the array. > > The array consists of 4 HDDs with 250 GB each, a total array size of approx 1 TB, but approx 750 GB of usable storage space. > > My > "off the top" conclusion is that the array should have approximately > 500 GB of free space on it. But, I'm finding that the numbers don't > add up. Note the "Used Dev Size : > 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB)" And I wonder what that means? > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# mdadm --detail /dev/md0 > > > > /dev/md0: > > Version : > 01.00 > > Creation Time : Sat > Jan 10 13:03:52 2009 > > Raid Level : > raid5 > > Array Size : > 732587520 (698.65 GiB 750.17 GB) > > Used Dev Size : > 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB) > > Raid Devices : 4 > > Total Devices : 4 > > Preferred Minor : 0 > > Persistence : > Superblock is persistent > I think that is just the size of the raid on the disks. Actual filesystem usage is shown with df -h Sam From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 11 19:25:55 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Sep 11 19:25:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID5 Recovery - Post Mortem Review - Food For Thought In-Reply-To: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT), David Labens wrote: >I've now copied all the data off the RAID5 array - using the copy as a >backup till I get backups up.? The 1 tb drive has approximately 244 gb >of data on it (used space), and I've copied ALL the data from the array. > >The array consists of 4 HDDs with 250 GB each, a total array size of approx 1 TB, but approx 750 GB of usable storage space. > >My >"off the top" conclusion is that the array should have approximately >500 GB of free space on it.? But, I'm finding that the numbers don't >add up.? Note the "Used Dev Size : >488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB)"? And I wonder what that means? I second the recommendation, use df -h: >turbo:~# df -h /dev/md0 Mine shows: >Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >/dev/md0 459G 341G 95G 79% /data while mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows: > Array Size : 488391808 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB) > Used Dev Size : 244195904 (232.88 GiB 250.06 GB) Note that the used is exactly half the array size. I saw a note online referring to that as a "bug." (The type 1 superblock values are displayed incorrectly.) I'd just ignore that line and use df -h to see how you're doing on space. What it _should_ be telling you is how much of the virtual drive is allocated for partitions. In most cases that's 100%, so it doesn't really say anything. Having several partitions on a multi-disk (md) virtual device is a recent development and few people use it. The difference between the Array Size (465.77 GiB) and the Filesystem Size (459G) is the overhead of RAID and ext3, which reduces the space available to data. --Don -- I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one textbook.) From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Sep 12 09:08:40 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:08:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 Message-ID: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Anyone have an old Tecra 8100 for sale at a reasonable price? Mine bit the bullet while loading Gnucash, and now won't turn on and boot, only the power light comes on (green) but turns to yellow and flashes eight times when powering on...Appears to be a motherboard area problem, with a shorted component or a voltage regulator. Would junk it, but have all my GNUcash financial data in on it. TIA Lou From morfic at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 09:46:30 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Sat Sep 12 09:46:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 In-Reply-To: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909120746h12c67c49pd096d504bcd4acca@mail.gmail.com> Get a usb adapter for the drive, move data to your new machine, be happy? Getting drive out won't be hard, plus it's what you want "the other housing" for anyways, right? On Sep 12, 2009 9:08 AM, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: Anyone have an old Tecra 8100 for sale at a reasonable price? Mine bit the bullet while loading Gnucash, and now won't turn on and boot, only the power light comes on (green) but turns to yellow and flashes eight times when powering on...Appears to be a motherboard area problem, with a shorted component or a voltage regulator. Would junk it, but have all my GNUcash financial data in on it. TIA Lou -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jjjordan at grandecom.net Sat Sep 12 10:27:53 2009 From: jjjordan at grandecom.net (JJordan) Date: Sat Sep 12 10:27:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays References: <79ec289f0909101029q4181264bq9a0db257366a3283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DC0D05552F148B4840E24A7FB9E16A5@coreb1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJordan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Mann" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:29 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays > > >> I've got dual displays on my G5 Mac. I have Gentoo PPC on here and for >> some reason X switches the primary display to the secondary display. >> To get around this, I simply switched DVI cables (95% of my time is >> spent in PPC Linux), but if I reboot into OSX the monitors are now >> switched. >> >> I've played around with randr but cannot get the right configuration >> to fix this. >> >> Any ideas on how to permanently fix this? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have nano (or another favorite editor), at the C prompt, execute > the following line: "nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" . In the "Monitor" and > "Screen sections, change monitor 0 (zero) to one and monitor 1 to 0 > (zero). This change must be made in both Screen and Monitor "Sections" of > the xorg.conf file. > > When finished, press Ctrl and x keys simultaneously, say "yes", press > Enter, and the file will be saved and closed (this is with nano). Run > startx and check-out the results. > > Regards, > Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just thought of an easier fix! /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, [Section "ServerLayout"] Change the Screen 0 "Screen0" Leftof "Screen1" to read: Screen 0 "Screen0" Rightof "Screen1" You can swap the numbers around in the two "Screen" lines to designate the placement as you wish.. From j at jvpappas.net Sat Sep 12 10:43:55 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sat Sep 12 10:43:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID5 Recovery - Post Mortem Review - Food For Thought In-Reply-To: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <513863.80188.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909120843q5f074a64o4c39227ffd06e62d@mail.gmail.com> Quick and useful output for SW RAID systems: `cat /proc/mdstat` (notice run as normal user) shows rebuild status and involved disks quickly. mine:~> cat /proc/mdstatPersonalities : [raid1] [raid0] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [linear] md126 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[1] 136448 blocks [2/2] [UU] md127 : active raid5 sdg1[0] sde1[4] sdf1[3] sdb1[2] sda1[1] 1953535744 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU] md1 : active raid1 sdc3[0] sdd3[1] 290904896 blocks [2/2] [UU] md3 : active raid1 sdd2[0] sdc2[1] 2008000 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: Can't explain the name change for the md12[67] from md[02] respectively, but it happened after I rebuilt the system. HTH, jp On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 17:24, David Labens wrote: > I've now copied all the data off the RAID5 array - using the copy as a > backup till I get backups up. The 1 tb drive has approximately 244 gb > of data on it (used space), and I've copied ALL the data from the array. > > The array consists of 4 HDDs with 250 GB each, a total array size of approx > 1 TB, but approx 750 GB of usable storage space. > > My > "off the top" conclusion is that the array should have approximately > 500 GB of free space on it. But, I'm finding that the numbers don't > add up. Note the "Used Dev Size : > 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB)" And I wonder what that means? > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# mdadm --detail /dev/md0 > > > > /dev/md0: > > Version : > 01.00 > > Creation Time : Sat > Jan 10 13:03:52 2009 > > Raid Level : > raid5 > > Array Size : > 732587520 (698.65 GiB 750.17 GB) > > Used Dev Size : > 488391680 (465.77 GiB 500.11 GB) > > Raid Devices : 4 > > Total Devices : 4 > > Preferred Minor : 0 > > Persistence : > Superblock is persistent > > > > Intent Bitmap : > Internal > > > > Update Time : Sat > Aug 29 06:35:14 2009 > > State : > active > > Active Devices : 4 > > Working Devices : 4 > > Failed Devices : 0 > > Spare Devices : 0 > > > > Layout : > left-asymmetric > > Chunk Size : 128K > > > > Name : 0 > > UUID : > 13782a18:85c82f51:e999ccd0:c2ca0614 > > Events : 3006 > > > > Number Major > Minor RaidDevice State > > 0 8 > 65 0 active sync /dev/sde1 > > 1 8 > 1 1 active sync /dev/sda1 > > 2 8 > 17 2 active sync /dev/sdb1 > > 4 8 > 33 3 active sync /dev/sdc1 > > > > ----------------------------------- > > BUT, > all four disks seem to be working: > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# mdadm --examine /dev/sda1 (same stats for sdb1, sdc1, & > sde1. sdd1 is the 80 gb OS HDD): > > > > > /dev/sda1: > > Magic : > a92b4efc > > Version : 1.0 > > Feature Map : 0x1 > > Array UUID : > 13782a18:85c82f51:e999ccd0:c2ca0614 > > Name : 0 > > Creation Time : Sat > Jan 10 13:03:52 2009 > > Raid Level : > raid5 > > Raid Devices : 4 > > > > Avail Dev Size : > 488391728 (232.88 GiB 250.06 GB) > > Array Size : > 1465175040 (698.65 GiB 750.17 GB) > > Used Dev Size : > 488391680 (232.88 GiB 250.06 GB) > > Super Offset : > 488391984 sectors > > State : > clean > > Device UUID : > 7cd2101b:57561ce9:d9ba5317:d46c59d3 > > > > Internal Bitmap : -234 sectors from superblock > > Update Time : Sat > Aug 29 06:35:14 2009 > > Checksum : > d1882345 - correct > > Events : 3006 > > > > Layout : > left-asymmetric > > Chunk Size : 128K > > > > Array Slot : 1 (0, > 1, 2, failed, 3) > > Array State > : uUuu 1 failed > > > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# > > ----------------------------------- > Also, this may help with the analysis: > ----------------------------------- > > > > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# fdisk -l > > > > > Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Disk identifier: 0x41413535 > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks > Id System > > /dev/sda1 > 1 30401 244196001 > fd Linux raid autodetect/dev/sdb1 > 1 30401 244196001 > fd Linux raid autodetect > > /dev/sdc1 1 > 30401 244196001 fd > Linux raid autodetect > > > /dev/sde1 > 1 30401 244196001 > fd Linux raid autodetect > > root@RCH-SERVER:/# > > David Labens > > San Antonio, TX > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 10:54:03 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Sep 12 10:54:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] X gone wrong with dual displays In-Reply-To: <1DC0D05552F148B4840E24A7FB9E16A5@coreb1> References: <79ec289f0909101029q4181264bq9a0db257366a3283@mail.gmail.com> <1DC0D05552F148B4840E24A7FB9E16A5@coreb1> Message-ID: <4AABC41B.5030302@gmail.com> JJordan wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" >>> I've got dual displays on my G5 Mac. I have Gentoo PPC on here and for >>> some reason X switches the primary display to the secondary display. >>> To get around this, I simply switched DVI cables (95% of my time is >>> spent in PPC Linux), but if I reboot into OSX the monitors are now >>> switched. >>> >>> I've played around with randr but cannot get the right configuration >>> to fix this. >>> >>> Any ideas on how to permanently fix this? >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> If you have nano (or another favorite editor), at the C prompt, >> execute the following line: "nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" . In the >> "Monitor" and "Screen sections, change monitor 0 (zero) to one and >> monitor 1 to 0 (zero). This change must be made in both Screen and >> Monitor "Sections" of the xorg.conf file. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Just thought of an easier fix! > /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, [Section "ServerLayout"] > > Change the Screen 0 "Screen0" Leftof "Screen1" to read: > Screen 0 "Screen0" Rightof "Screen1" > > You can swap the numbers around in the two "Screen" lines to designate > the placement as you wish.. You can have multiple "ServerLayout" and multiple "Screen" sections in your xorg.conf file. Then start with xorg -- -layout LayoutName Alternatively, take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2510689&postcount=1 for some ideas on automating the process. -- Bruce From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Sat Sep 12 15:56:30 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Sat Sep 12 15:56:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: External CD Drive Message-ID: Hello all,I need to borrow n external CD-ROM drive to use for a couple days. I am re-imaging a client's computer, and I just discovered that their CD drive in their laptop is broken. Can any of you help? If no one can lend me one, will you please tell me of a good source to find a decent drive at? Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Sep 12 15:59:46 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Sep 12 15:59:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 Message-ID: <6717ff585ce14be696b26e98553b8816.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Get a usb adapter for the drive, move data >to your new machine, be happy? Getting drive >out won't be hard, plus it's what you want >"the other housing" for anyways, right? -------------------------------------------- No, nothing wrong with my hard drive, problem is component level hardware failure on the 8100 motherboard...If an 8100 doesn't turn-up locally, I'll wait for an operational one on Ebay, then it's merely a matter of swapping my hard drive and setting the date/time and I'm good to go....Thanks, Lou From hc at lookcee.com Sat Sep 12 16:12:30 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sat Sep 12 16:12:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 In-Reply-To: <6717ff585ce14be696b26e98553b8816.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6717ff585ce14be696b26e98553b8816.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4AAC0EBE.6070902@lookcee.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> Get a usb adapter for the drive, move data >> to your new machine, be happy? Getting drive >> out won't be hard, plus it's what you want >> "the other housing" for anyways, right? >> > -------------------------------------------- > No, nothing wrong with my hard drive, problem > is component level hardware failure on the > 8100 motherboard...If an 8100 doesn't turn-up > locally, I'll wait for an operational one on > Ebay, then it's merely a matter of swapping my > hard drive and setting the date/time and I'm > good to go....Thanks, Lou > > This could be the BIOS has been corrupted since those blinks and light color change indicate a failure in POST routine that is managed by the Bios.Have you tried resetting the Bios to default? You may find these two documents of use to you: http://www.ebooksquad.com/2009/02/28/toshiba-tecra-8100-service-guide.html http://www.ebooksquad.com/2008/01/23/toshiba-tecra-m3-user-manual-and-troubleshooting-guide.html (scroll down till you see the first blue DL box and you will see lots of ads indicating sources of the 8100 for sale. These two guides show you how to disassemble your old lappy to remove the HD or the get to the battery) herb From morfic at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 17:46:58 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Sat Sep 12 17:47:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 In-Reply-To: <6717ff585ce14be696b26e98553b8816.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6717ff585ce14be696b26e98553b8816.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909121546u3b9b86c0vbf09d38d9d449935@mail.gmail.com> True, swapping it into an operational identical model is most economical. I made the mistake of not paying enough attention to what you wanted to do and immediately switched to "what i would do" mode. I Wouldn't replace a P3 with a P3, if i have the data, i would just move the data. Sorry i did not pay attention to your intent closely enough :) Daniel On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >Get a usb adapter for the drive, move data > >to your new machine, be happy? Getting drive > >out won't be hard, plus it's what you want > >"the other housing" for anyways, right? > -------------------------------------------- > No, nothing wrong with my hard drive, problem > is component level hardware failure on the > 8100 motherboard...If an 8100 doesn't turn-up > locally, I'll wait for an operational one on > Ebay, then it's merely a matter of swapping my > hard drive and setting the date/time and I'm > good to go....Thanks, Lou > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mkr777 at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 19:49:57 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sat Sep 12 19:49:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: External CD Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would it not be easy to create the image on an external hard drive. The external DVD drives which hook up to USB port can be picked up at Best Buy. mkr On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Benjamin Temple < temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all,I need to borrow n external CD-ROM drive to use for a couple > days. I am re-imaging a client's computer, and I just discovered that their > CD drive in their laptop is broken. Can any of you help? If no one can lend > me one, will you please tell me of a good source to find a decent drive at? > > Regards, > Benjamin Temple > TES > ----------------------------------------- > This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient > of this e-mail. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From adlabens at swbell.net Sat Sep 12 20:51:03 2009 From: adlabens at swbell.net (David Labens) Date: Sat Sep 12 20:51:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RAID5 Recovery - Post Mortem Review - Food For Thought In-Reply-To: <4AAADC37.4040301@net153.net> Message-ID: <981178.4342.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That clears it up.? I feel better, now.? Thank you! root@RCH-SERVER:/# df -h Filesystem??????????? Size ????? Used?? ? ?? Avail Use%?? Mounted on tmpfs?????????? ?? ???? 1.9G??????????? 0????????? 1.9G???? 0%??? /lib/init/rw varrun?????????? ?? ??? 1.9G??????????? 4.9M??? 1.9G??? 1%???? /var/run varlock????????? ?? ??? 1.9G??????????? 0????????? 1.9G???? 0%??? /var/lock udev???????????? ? ? ??? 1.9G ? ???? ? ? 2.8M??? 1.9G? ? 1%???? /dev tmpfs????????? ? ? ????? 1.9G?????????? 0?????????? 1.9G? ? 0%???? /dev/shm rootfs?????????? ? ???? 71G????????? 957M????? 66G?????? 2%????? / /dev/md0????????? 688G???????? 213G??? ?? 441G??? 33%????? /NW-DATA David Labens San Antonio, TX --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Samuel Leon wrote: I think that is just the size of the raid on the disks.? Actual filesystem usage is shown with df -h Sam From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 12 23:26:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sat Sep 12 23:26:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 In-Reply-To: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <1252815992.27507.1.camel@redpill-laptop> I had the same problem with my old Toshiba A105 and the problem turned out to be the internal power cable assembly. Its a real easy fix and the part only cost me 15 bucks. might be worth trying to resurrect it. Todd On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 10:08 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Anyone have an old Tecra 8100 for sale at a > reasonable price? > > Mine bit the bullet while loading Gnucash, > and now won't turn on and boot, only the > power light comes on (green) but turns to > yellow and flashes eight times when powering > on...Appears to be a motherboard area problem, > with a shorted component or a voltage regulator. > > Would junk it, but have all my GNUcash > financial data in on it. > > > TIA Lou > From jasongeorge at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 12 23:54:10 2009 From: jasongeorge at satx.rr.com (Jason George) Date: Sat Sep 12 23:59:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Server trade for an original XBOX? In-Reply-To: <20090501170003.DDCC743EA5D@satlug.org> Message-ID: <20090913045946260.ZULK5638@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> Fellow LUGgers- Does anyone have an original XBOX (w/ controllers, cables, a game or two) in good working condition they'd be willing to trade for the following equipment? If so, please email me off list. Thank you. -Jason Compaq 1850R rackmount server - Dual 550MHz processors w/ 896 MB RAM - Compaq Smart 2DH Array Controller - (4) 18.2 GB SCSI drives + 4 spares - 1 floppy drive, 1 CDROM drive - 2 spare 500MHz procs w/ VRM - 2 power supplies + 3 spares - Compaq SmartStart 5.4 CD for building the array Compaq Storageworks Raid Array 4100 - Enclosure holds 12 drives - Includes 12 18.2 GB SCSI drives (+4 spares) - Compaq Series 4220 Model #1063 Fibre Hub (PN: 00301001-904) w/ GBICs - Compaq FC Storage Hub (PN: 340626-002) FYI: I have tested the 1850R and it works. Although the Storageworks Raid Array came from a working environment, I haven't set it up or tested myself. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 08:05:08 2009 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sun Sep 13 08:05:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Toshiba Tecra 8100 In-Reply-To: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <9cce839e683d4441a0035acb28246ed1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0909130605l696f2e43lba63e7e67f1f2704@mail.gmail.com> I have one, not sure of the condition of it though. The last time I tried to boot it the screen stayed black not sure if it just the back light or what but if your interested contact me off list. Zeb On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:08 AM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Anyone have an old Tecra 8100 for sale at a > reasonable price? > > Mine bit the bullet while loading Gnucash, > and now won't turn on and boot, only the > power light comes on (green) but turns to > yellow and flashes eight times when powering > on...Appears to be a motherboard area problem, > with a shorted component or a voltage regulator. > > Would junk it, but have all my GNUcash > financial data in on it. > > > TIA Lou > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 14:23:28 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Sep 13 14:23:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff wrote: > Christopher Lemire wrote: >> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. > > you were lied to. > Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ San Antonio Asperger's and Autism Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wrongplanet From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 22:04:43 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Sep 13 22:05:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: <4AAD7A01.4090001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAD7A01.4090001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: This is totally uncalled for, and he always hides it from the list. If the leaders of satlug won't do anything about it, I am reporting him for harassment. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Geoff Date: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options To: Christopher Lemire My, but aren't you the useless waste of sperm. Do the world a favor; ?fuck off and die, you little troll! Christopher Lemire wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff wrote: > >> Christopher Lemire wrote: >> >>> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. >>> >> you were lied to. >> >> > > Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I > don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ San Antonio Asperger's and Autism Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wrongplanet From satlug at net153.net Mon Sep 14 08:43:37 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Sep 14 08:43:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: External CD Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AAE4889.1080209@net153.net> Benjamin Temple wrote: > Hello all,I need to borrow n external CD-ROM drive to use for a couple days. I am re-imaging a client's computer, and I just discovered that their CD drive in their laptop is broken. Can any of you help? If no one can lend me one, will you please tell me of a good source to find a decent drive at? > > Regards, > Benjamin Temple > TES I have a cdrom drive from a dell laptop that fits many of their models. I not sure if it would fit a brand other than dell though. I can try and get some pictures of it after work today. (it has been in my closet for about 8 years now...) Sam From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Sep 14 11:12:25 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:12:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: References: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAD7A01.4090001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4AAE6B69.3000605@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ...Mommy, make him stop picking on me... y'know, Chirs... I -do- hide it from the list, because it's not -for- the list. -you- put it there. Grow up. go bother someone else, and leave decent people alone. Christopher Lemire wrote: > This is totally uncalled for, and he always hides it from the list. If > the leaders of satlug won't do anything about it, I am reporting him > for harassment. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geoff > Date: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options > To: Christopher Lemire > > > My, but aren't you the useless waste of sperm. > > Do the world a favor; f*ck off and die, you little troll! > > Christopher Lemire wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff wrote: >> >> >>> Christopher Lemire wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. >>>> >>>> >>> you were lied to. >>> >>> >>> >> Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I >> don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. >> > > > > > From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 11:22:50 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:22:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: <4AAE6B69.3000605@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAD7A01.4090001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAE6B69.3000605@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909140922m198b11b6j17688581fcfb84b4@mail.gmail.com> Either way gentlemen... He said... You said... WHATEVER. I do not care for this topic. Please take your personal disagreement and argument *off list*. I'm tired of hearing both sides of a story that have absolutely nothing to do with me. Whether one replies to list and the other doesn't makes no difference. With That said, Have a nice day. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Geoff wrote: > ...Mommy, make him stop picking on me... > > y'know, Chirs... I -do- hide it from the list, because it's not -for- > the list. -you- put it there. > > Grow up. go bother someone else, and leave decent people alone. > > > Christopher Lemire wrote: > > This is totally uncalled for, and he always hides it from the list. If > > the leaders of satlug won't do anything about it, I am reporting him > > for harassment. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Geoff > > Date: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM > > Subject: Re: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options > > To: Christopher Lemire > > > > > > My, but aren't you the useless waste of sperm. > > > > Do the world a favor; f*ck off and die, you little troll! > > > > Christopher Lemire wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff > wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Christopher Lemire wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> you were lied to. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I > >> don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 14 11:31:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:31:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909140922m198b11b6j17688581fcfb84b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A950FB2.4070801@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAD7A01.4090001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4AAE6B69.3000605@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7c63fb3d0909140922m198b11b6j17688581fcfb84b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252945891.31942.1.camel@redpill-laptop> I concur keep this BS off list please Todd On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 11:22 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Either way gentlemen... He said... You said... WHATEVER. I do not care for > this topic. > > Please take your personal disagreement and argument *off list*. I'm tired of > hearing both sides of a story that have absolutely nothing to do with me. > > Whether one replies to list and the other doesn't makes no difference. > > With That said, > > Have a nice day. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Geoff wrote: > > > ...Mommy, make him stop picking on me... > > > > y'know, Chirs... I -do- hide it from the list, because it's not -for- > > the list. -you- put it there. > > > > Grow up. go bother someone else, and leave decent people alone. > > > > > > Christopher Lemire wrote: > > > This is totally uncalled for, and he always hides it from the list. If > > > the leaders of satlug won't do anything about it, I am reporting him > > > for harassment. > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Geoff > > > Date: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options > > > To: Christopher Lemire > > > > > > > > > My, but aren't you the useless waste of sperm. > > > > > > Do the world a favor; f*ck off and die, you little troll! > > > > > > Christopher Lemire wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Christopher Lemire wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> you were lied to. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I > > >> don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 14 11:36:04 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:36:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Display Coma Message-ID: <4AAE70F4.7000005@sbcglobal.net> Currently, when my computer goes asleep, the key board fails to wake it, the reset button has no effect, but the computer will start when I tap the pr. button. Then, though the computer appears to be running, the display fails to wake. If I turn the monitor off and on, it says "no signal." I have to crash the unit and restart to get back in operation. I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 and install all the changes that come down, even though I usually don't know what they do. One night, I shut off my computer and went to bed. The next morning, I found the display fully on. Maybe I accidentally got restart, but why was the display awake? I restarted and looked for a reason. In System, Preferences, Power Management I found the display time cranked up all the way (never go asleep), while the computer was set to go asleep at less than an hour. I didn't do it. Anyway, I reset both the computer and display to go asleep after shorter periods of inactivity. I have experimented with various settings w/o getting the thing back to normal. I looked at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see nothing that seems related; I previously experimented with a lot of versions of xorg.conf, and settled on a very simple, skeleton version that has worked fine. I will appreciate any guidance offered. Andy Pickens From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 11:41:08 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:41:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] INappropriate posts Message-ID: <4AAE7224.8080006@gmail.com> Recently there was an inappropriate post made to this list. It will not be tolerated. There is no need to respond to that message or this as it is being handled off list. -- Bruce From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Sep 14 12:57:56 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:58:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] INappropriate posts In-Reply-To: <4AAE7224.8080006@gmail.com> References: <4AAE7224.8080006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAE8424.4030505@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Recently there was an inappropriate post made to this list. It will not > be tolerated. There is no need to respond to that message or this as it > is being handled off list. > But, but. Duty calls: http://xkcd.com/386/ David PS: OMG ITS A JOEK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKroQkAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob0k4MAIkgQnJpnmTsVJeWXYzU4ZQo 6VAnDPsZJrVg1eWy8UqaX2V3JT7fmfyY4iX0/Xq4npH+osf2OCY/SmXbNeDo6nTD 3rqDQE1XeBpn05b5zY+Nt3qeUiXWfbPQFRcsVRZ0WBIa7JdcDhgkLC8+iLTROwPW nwlf2/WXuCuz46MipOpSzsXyqmgAFr/LdVyKyZmhgHklnyhvPlXJp9x9T7A4ODQB 34dw8Yri8Bh+laGYCysbGtbwF7M0P/8/H/SbaZL6dtkkPE8eJsgufOM+1tHSUhKl o+hH5r26yexIA73XmbdQuEbjKOucZ8QKx/BnPUCJD2jOxEZDumzcgVRV2ZZeLFbE Ip6H+yjfAOY5MEY1Lx95V1Zvmieaijgb3ehTsl5E5gIJ9TCLM7JXFc8x771cMSbL FD2XEh4rV8e6Ym4JfpOw6KQqtSr/5emD643ovGXu7RId7hElCbiJl3lFh8U/x8cl 9IEJSChFgUHBx1NxtSVDgKZwzG5yLNpKzeM6kc6fRA== =F/hN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From good_bye300 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 16:15:25 2009 From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire) Date: Mon Sep 14 16:15:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM, redpill wrote: > I concur keep this BS off list please > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 11:22 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: >> Either way gentlemen... He said... You said... WHATEVER. I do not care for >> this topic. >> >> Please take your personal disagreement and argument *off list*. I'm tired of >> hearing both sides of a story that have absolutely nothing to do with me. >> >> Whether one replies to list and the other doesn't makes no difference. >> >> With That said, >> >> Have a nice day. >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Geoff wrote: >> >> > ...Mommy, make him stop picking on me... >> > >> > y'know, Chirs... I -do- hide it from the list, because it's not -for- >> > the list. -you- put it there. >> > >> > Grow up. go bother someone else, and leave decent people alone. >> > >> > >> > Christopher Lemire wrote: >> > > This is totally uncalled for, and he always hides it from the list. If >> > > the leaders of satlug won't do anything about it, I am reporting him >> > > for harassment. >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > From: Geoff >> > > Date: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM >> > > Subject: Re: Recompiling Source Debs w Diff ./config options >> > > To: Christopher Lemire >> > > >> > > >> > > My, but aren't you the useless waste of sperm. >> > > >> > > Do the world a favor; f*ck off and die, you little troll! >> > > >> > > Christopher Lemire wrote: >> > > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Geoff >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> Christopher Lemire wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>> I was told it's okay to mention my blog once in a while. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> you were lied to. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> Tell that to Bruce Dubbs as he was the one you are calling a liar. I >> > >> don't believe you are running this list, so quit acting like a child. >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Peter J. Cross >> San Antonio, TX >> >> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" >> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. -- Christopher Lemire - Hide quoted text - Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 Need Tech Support and Stay on Top of Linux Technology? Visit my Blog. http://linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/ San Antonio Asperger's and Autism Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wrongplanet From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 16:24:16 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 14 16:24:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0909141424r34fb8a7emc8d840b7dfe8d9bd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. Now who is being a kid? C'mon ladies.. break it up... -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 16:29:24 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 14 16:29:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909141424r34fb8a7emc8d840b7dfe8d9bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0909141424r34fb8a7emc8d840b7dfe8d9bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know why it is exactly, but this stuff just cracks me up. I can't stop laughing some times. It must have been my time living in San Francisco that makes this stuff priceless. But seriously, you should cut it out. I'm serious. Ok. Ok. Maybe a few more grenades. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire > wrote: > > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm > > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. > > Now who is being a kid? C'mon ladies.. break it up... > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 14 18:25:31 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:25:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0909141424r34fb8a7emc8d840b7dfe8d9bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as I wrote Jeremy: Don't feed the trolls... [1] C==coffee N==nose K==keyboard Al Castanoli On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I don't know why it is exactly, but this stuff just cracks me up. I can't > stop laughing some times. It must have been my time living in San Francisco > that makes this stuff priceless. > > But seriously, you should cut it out. > > I'm serious. > > Ok. Ok. Maybe a few more grenades. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire > > wrote: > > > > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm > > > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. > > > > Now who is being a kid? C'mon ladies.. break it up... > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Sep 14 18:37:34 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:37:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> References: <79ec289f0909141424r34fb8a7emc8d840b7dfe8d9bd@mail.gmail.com> <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <4AAED3BE.2000809@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Al Castanoli wrote: > I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as I wrote Jeremy: > > Don't feed the trolls... > > [1] C==coffee > N==nose > K==keyboard > But it's so much fun to watch people call each other stupid over the internet. See watch: "You're dumb, and stupid too!" LOLOLOL1HAHAHOMFGWTFBBQ - -- David Kowis SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org Liberty or Death! -- www.campaignforliberty.com Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKrtO+AAoJEMnf+vRw63ObOJcMAK4A4a3BDcnc7qiTroMBJisR JZUO52+0BT16Rk/VSO8D7OFanmucBPfb4Gj+Zw9KNlQ5mDGrT8OvNhmVZixh7MPN 4ixdobRsNp4ztjXkOqKVY5vepn9JxLE9CK/3f3plkpz8IaWVpCTj64VIWC+eSh8F rxSbluWNeLE3gzvzAEioU6+igZ0nTT3iibfOUW3Zlnr1+YAEjk42ogi2YI9+c6uM MZ1jNyEXQdinJfPlwCa9Chol+8/4fFPqK+AelKROiEal+BH/iaR9LSGfaLqG1Irk enyvNNxlLeK6B1tur6g+mZuWNvU8BbtftfIKsLy2v6pJTPAHay15gAE73C5NBpPt o1+OO+RHQfsBMCuLNi9fA9WBxOTqOncf0eBps2W4D8MVz6BMoywemgVn5uKQGK/y rduwn+EpyZOITs1g4ZDvYYePQ4pm/Hb8ulbPITUXVTC56XWtkctcdAcnjI6r0UK3 tiDvykhFKgSWorP47p+HV6CKxDwyXQQ1uEb4mpHG+Q== =II3E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 19:04:18 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:04:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <295899.63851.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> LOL! --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Al Castanoli wrote: > From: Al Castanoli > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:25 PM > > I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as > I wrote Jeremy: > > Don't feed the trolls... > > [1] C==coffee > ? ? N==nose > ? ? K==keyboard > > Al Castanoli > > On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > I don't know why it is exactly, but this stuff just > cracks me up. I can't > > stop laughing some times. It must have been my time > living in San Francisco > > that makes this stuff priceless. > > > > But seriously, you should cut it out. > > > > I'm serious. > > > > Ok. Ok. Maybe a few more grenades. > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jeremy Mann > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not > involving any of you. I'm > > > > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff > boy. > > > > > > Now who is being a kid? C'mon ladies.. break it > up... > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeremy Mann > > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 19:23:32 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:23:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <295899.63851.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> <295899.63851.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909141723q1e906d50yaf63dbb59674ff89@mail.gmail.com> But I like to feed the trolls! ;) On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > LOL! > > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Al Castanoli wrote: > >> From: Al Castanoli >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:25 PM >> >> I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as >> I wrote Jeremy: >> >> Don't feed the trolls... >> >> [1] C==coffee >> ? ? N==nose >> ? ? K==keyboard >> >> Al Castanoli >> >> On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> > I don't know why it is exactly, but this stuff just >> cracks me up. I can't >> > stop laughing some times. It must have been my time >> living in San Francisco >> > that makes this stuff priceless. >> > >> > But seriously, you should cut it out. >> > >> > I'm serious. >> > >> > Ok. Ok. Maybe a few more grenades. >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jeremy Mann >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire >> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not >> involving any of you. I'm >> > > > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff >> boy. >> > > >> > > Now who is being a kid? C'mon ladies.. break it >> up... >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Jeremy Mann >> > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >> > > >> > > University of Texas Health Science Center >> > > Bioinformatics Core Facility >> > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >> > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 >> > > -- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SATLUG mailing list >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 14 19:27:26 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Sep 14 19:27:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909141723q1e906d50yaf63dbb59674ff89@mail.gmail.com> References: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> <295899.63851.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <79ec289f0909141723q1e906d50yaf63dbb59674ff89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAEDF6E.7010708@suddenlink.net> If you don't feed the trolls, how will they eat? Jeremy Mann wrote: > But I like to feed the trolls! ;) > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Alex Bartonek > wrote: >> LOL! >> >> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Al Castanoli wrote: >> >>> From: Al Castanoli >>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:25 PM >>> >>> I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as >>> I wrote Jeremy: >>> >>> Don't feed the trolls... >>> >>> [1] C==coffee >>> N==nose >>> K==keyboard >>> >>> Al Castanoli >>> From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 21:53:38 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 14 21:54:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <4AAEDF6E.7010708@suddenlink.net> References: <1252970731.20799.1.camel@phrodo> <295899.63851.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <79ec289f0909141723q1e906d50yaf63dbb59674ff89@mail.gmail.com> <4AAEDF6E.7010708@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: They squish hobbits into a fine jelly, then spread them on toast... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > If you don't feed the trolls, how will they eat? > > Jeremy Mann wrote: > >> But I like to feed the trolls! ;) >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Alex Bartonek >> wrote: >> >>> LOL! >>> >>> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Al Castanoli wrote: >>> >>> From: Al Castanoli >>>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff >>>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" < >>>> satlug@satlug.org> >>>> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:25 PM >>>> >>>> I was having a C>N|K [1] moment over this myself, but as >>>> I wrote Jeremy: >>>> >>>> Don't feed the trolls... >>>> >>>> [1] C==coffee >>>> N==nose >>>> K==keyboard >>>> >>>> Al Castanoli >>>> >>>> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 09:13:13 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Sep 15 09:13:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router? In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0909101213q91af706w477b9db351508468@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0909101213q91af706w477b9db351508468@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAFA0F9.8060405@gmail.com> Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, > I've been researching on how to adapt a 802.11G wireless adapter(s) into a > wireless router. Does anyone know if there are any projects out there on how > to do this or is this a pioneering expedition on my part? > You're in for some fun. I had my last Network+ class do that as a project (in winderz), and they brought it in just under the wire. Wanna discuss it on- or off-list? Cheers; Ed From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 11:39:39 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Sep 15 11:39:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003aeaa0909150939y441b73f6yadafb73c5ff23362@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire wrote: > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. > Add each other to your spam filters so you won't have to be bothered with what the other person is saying. If there is a legitimate problem on the list, then the list administrators will likely contact you directly to address it. If harassment continues after such action is taken then we all know who the immature one is and you can feel free to escalate through appropriate off-list channels. -Henry From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 11:47:57 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 15 11:48:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0909150939y441b73f6yadafb73c5ff23362@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0909150939y441b73f6yadafb73c5ff23362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm saying we just sanction a bout in the boxing ring at Allstars Sports Club. What do you all think? Say tomorrow night at 8 PM? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire > wrote: > > > > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm > > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. > > > > Add each other to your spam filters so you won't have to be bothered > with what the other person is saying. If there is a legitimate > problem on the list, then the list administrators will likely contact > you directly to address it. If harassment continues after such action > is taken then we all know who the immature one is and you can feel > free to escalate through appropriate off-list channels. > > -Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From ftm at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 15 12:08:48 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Tue Sep 15 12:09:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: References: <1003aeaa0909150939y441b73f6yadafb73c5ff23362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53EAAE56E32A42CA914E0CFE445C9FDE@control> How about just unsubscribing both of them so this list can get back to business? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest De Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff > I'm saying we just sanction a bout in the boxing ring at Allstars Sports > Club. What do you all think? Say tomorrow night at 8 PM? > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Henry Pugsley > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire >> wrote: >> > >> > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm >> > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. >> > >> >> Add each other to your spam filters so you won't have to be bothered >> with what the other person is saying. If there is a legitimate >> problem on the list, then the list administrators will likely contact >> you directly to address it. If harassment continues after such action >> is taken then we all know who the immature one is and you can feel >> free to escalate through appropriate off-list channels. >> >> -Henry >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From msellers at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 15 12:56:04 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Tue Sep 15 12:56:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff In-Reply-To: <53EAAE56E32A42CA914E0CFE445C9FDE@control> References: <1003aeaa0909150939y441b73f6yadafb73c5ff23362@mail.gmail.com> <53EAAE56E32A42CA914E0CFE445C9FDE@control> Message-ID: <001501ca362d$cb366b90$61a342b0$@net> That's not really fair, is it? I haven't seen Chris or Geoff posting much on this issue, it's been everyone else. Maybe it wasn't handled in the most diplomatic fashion, but I would expect leadership to handle harassment complaints appropriately, regardless of the means of discovery. Banning all parties from the list is an easy way out, but not necessarily the right course; it sends a bad message. I personally didn't mind Chris plugging his blog, even had he done so in every single email he posted, but I realize that some may not like that. Tolerance IS a virtue. It's in really poor taste to insult people whom we don't know. Mike -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:09 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff How about just unsubscribing both of them so this list can get back to business? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest De Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] childish acts by the kid Geoff > I'm saying we just sanction a bout in the boxing ring at Allstars Sports > Club. What do you all think? Say tomorrow night at 8 PM? > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Henry Pugsley > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Chris Lemire >> wrote: >> > >> > agreed, I'll take care of this off-list not involving any of you. I'm >> > fed up with the harassment of this Geoff boy. >> > >> >> Add each other to your spam filters so you won't have to be bothered >> with what the other person is saying. If there is a legitimate >> problem on the list, then the list administrators will likely contact >> you directly to address it. If harassment continues after such action >> is taken then we all know who the immature one is and you can feel >> free to escalate through appropriate off-list channels. >> >> -Henry >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 15 12:56:37 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Sep 15 12:56:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server Message-ID: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? I would like on running the following on the server: pfsense - router and wifi access point Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV cards will be an issue thanks for any advice Todd From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 13:17:16 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:20:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Moderation Message-ID: <4AAFDA2C.5060305@gmail.com> I now have to put all posts into moderation mode to this list because some of you can't drop the topic of inappropriate posts. There was one (1) inappropriate post. I handled it immediately by placing that person into moderated status and told the list I handled it. Now there have been 16 additional posts about it. I'm pretty liberal about what posts are appropriate, but some of you are making things difficult for all the rest. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 13:17:47 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 15 13:20:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: Do you absolutely want to run a host OS below the virtualization platform on top or do you want a hypervisor just above the bare metal? For what it seems like you want to do, I would suggest just running Ubuntu with virtual box on top and placing your VMs inside virtualbox. If you want a true virtual server, download the free Citrix Xen Server 5 and set that up as the base. Then build the guest OSes on top. Either way is just as easy, but I think you will be more comfortable with the Ubuntu/VirtualBox mix. That's what I run at home myself. In the office I have ESX. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM, redpill wrote: > I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my > house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. > Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that > this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I > looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my > experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any > experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? > > I would like on running the following on the server: > pfsense - router and wifi access point > Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server > Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids > Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV > cards will be an issue > > thanks for any advice > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 15 15:42:11 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Sep 15 16:44:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1253047331.5513.4.camel@redpill-laptop> I am currently running VirtualBox on my lappy and mythbox for winxp. I like it fine enough for doing desktop stuff. that said I want to learn server virtualization. Ill give Citrix Xen a look over. Thanks Todd On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 13:17 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Do you absolutely want to run a host OS below the virtualization platform on > top or do you want a hypervisor just above the bare metal? For what it seems > like you want to do, I would suggest just running Ubuntu with virtual box on > top and placing your VMs inside virtualbox. If you want a true virtual > server, download the free Citrix Xen Server 5 and set that up as the base. > Then build the guest OSes on top. Either way is just as easy, but I think > you will be more comfortable with the Ubuntu/VirtualBox mix. That's what I > run at home myself. In the office I have ESX. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM, redpill wrote: > > > I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my > > house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. > > Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that > > this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I > > looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my > > experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any > > experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? > > > > I would like on running the following on the server: > > pfsense - router and wifi access point > > Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server > > Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids > > Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV > > cards will be an issue > > > > thanks for any advice > > Todd > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Sep 15 20:14:04 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Sep 15 21:32:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4AB03BDC.3020303@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 redpill wrote: > I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my > house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. > Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that > this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I > looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my > experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any > experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? > > I would like on running the following on the server: > pfsense - router and wifi access point > Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server > Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids > Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV > cards will be an issue I have done part of this at home, and I feel that I know Xen pretty well. I use a linux from source distro (Source Mage) so I set the box up by hand every time. I haven't used Citrix' Xen Server thing, but I hear it's pretty good (uses an older kernel 2.6.18 from what I understand, because that's the "official" xen version.) I chose to physically separate a router, since I'll have OpenWRT running on a linksys toy. However, whilst I don't know pfsense, I use shorewall, and people have already done things like I believe you want to do: http://www.shorewall.net/Xen.html I have never done PCI passthrough on the thing, but I have thought about that as well. USB passthrough is only available on HVM driven Guests. Those Guests seem to perform slower than the linux Guests (which require a modified kernel, so technically it could be a BSD guest, or any other OS which can run a Xen aware kernel.) the HVM driven guests require the Hardware Virtualization support to be in your CPU and enabled, just FYI. The LAMP and thin client machines would be absolutely trivial to implement, and running under the paravirtualized Guests would be plenty fast enough. Oh I would use lvm backed disks, not file backed, as those tend to perform better than the file backed ones. Disk I/O felt much slower on the HVM guests than it did in the paravirtualized guests. I've never tried PCI pass through... I've got one "extra" xen machine at the moment (doesn't support the HVM stuff though) so maybe I'll try that. My website and my home network are now all on this virtualized setup. I haven't noticed any performance hits at all. If anything, it's a bit faster than I had before. I don't think I'll notice a difference in my power bill (even though I'm running something that uses far less power than before) because it's A/C that makes the biggest dent and it just got significantly cooler. However, it is a lot quieter, and cooler in the computer room since I'm running less machines, even though I'm running actually MORE machines thanks to the virtualization :) Anyways, I know xen pretty well and can try to answer the questions posted here. Also, look at OpenVZ, it's not as virtualized (well, I guess it's a different kind of virtualization), but if you can set up a separate firewall box, might be easier to deal with regarding the MythTV stuff. - -- David Kowis SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org Liberty or Death! -- www.campaignforliberty.com Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKsDvcAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObsGUMAKU4pmd60l7sGfOsoj+PJeZ0 WCrhd6T22KlWkIUOfcBTKArUSlpI9nkfY0gTWn756d6gMtqWOxUQCUHvO1u2+IlA bFayHnRMe4BqjDYaNRvAw6b8pMqB8ljvgdHEbOXb4Nhln9IUdJdqK8I32VwTrG7M 5XwYh8ShIGhLXCTQUGsZEV7Kywfq+zYykut8+DCiOab2utsReKHYZJxnGi56bu68 0rGsfyutK8iCyCD9ClAPwfa+1qehxpK0ZnTh131kUwFJY2Oc+iluNutxa7/agIGJ pToACnnIwcOmHfPis28ifWUouEMmkX+UP1GGJWB53lJE5L5ICafpMPGHNMFOYVZb xJBOHF7I4f+LVJ/Za26g/sbZwfNtYUQVKi06qOs7NFVI4Ap8geIYPUOJK1B+e6Uz n0BRrFkRfoc9hUdNh8WGUilqEXxIQXWZxMm2ZhUv4o45KC1Ss6Y5a65pdovYK9wn v9HULTmZWnkhcTuyMWzOsh5TAKvcK+fvsxLlNpxiAA== =DbIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From satlug at net153.net Tue Sep 15 22:55:44 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Sep 15 23:20:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> redpill wrote: > I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my > house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. > Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that > this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I > looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my > experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any > experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? > > I would like on running the following on the server: > pfsense - router and wifi access point > Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server > Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids > Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV > cards will be an issue > > thanks for any advice > Todd > You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... Sam From gregswift at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 23:19:24 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Tue Sep 15 23:20:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70909152119o62f814a7nf15cb6db4cf5d5fb@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:56, redpill wrote: > I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my > house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. > Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that > this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I > looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my > experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any > experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? > > I would like on running the following on the server: > pfsense - router and wifi access point > Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server > Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids > Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV > cards will be an issue > > Not that you shouldn't look at Xen, but it is likely that the reason why you are having an issue finding Xen on Fedora and Ubuntu is because they've decided that KVM virtualization is the right path for them to travel. If your host box can support it I would recommend you evaluate that option as well. I'm not sure how well the tuner cards would pass through, but part of KVM's focus is utilizing a more direct hardware access layer. Xen does this as well with paravirt, which is the opposite of hvm. I found a presentation discussing that they are trying to do what you want, but I am unsure of their status. http://www.linux-kvm.org/wiki/images/d/d0/KvmForum2008%24kdf2008_14.pdf -greg From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Sep 16 00:13:23 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Sep 16 00:14:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> Message-ID: <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> > You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining > machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then > install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... > > Sam I feel you there with the time thing. right now I am gonna stick with researching this out a bit more and probably begin implementing after my A+ and Network+ certs in December. As I noted before my main goal is to learn server virtualization so as to make myself more marketable for the job market. I figure that getting my mythbox virtualized is going to be the real challenge. My ultimate goal is to take 6 of my boxes (2 servers, 1 Mythbox, 2 thin clients and 1 router) all on one box. As for my hardware I have a dell PE840 with a dualcore xeon and a perc 5i but I am not sure that it is the best machine for the mythbox Xeon's are crap when it comes to video and graphics and the board has no PCI-e slots for the video card. so I may end up using my quad core. Like I said I still have a bunch of research to do before I start tearing down and reconfiguring my equipment. Todd From hc at lookcee.com Wed Sep 16 00:57:34 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Sep 16 10:10:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4AB07E4E.5040905@lookcee.com> redpill wrote: >> You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining >> machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then >> install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... >> >> Sam >> > > > I feel you there with the time thing. right now I am gonna stick with > researching this out a bit more and probably begin implementing after my > A+ and Network+ certs in December. As I noted before my main goal is to > learn server virtualization so as to make myself more marketable for the > job market. I figure that getting my mythbox virtualized is going to be > the real challenge. My ultimate goal is to take 6 of my boxes (2 > servers, 1 Mythbox, 2 thin clients and 1 router) all on one box. > > As for my hardware I have a dell PE840 with a dualcore xeon and a perc > 5i but I am not sure that it is the best machine for the mythbox Xeon's > are crap when it comes to video and graphics and the board has no PCI-e > slots for the video card. so I may end up using my quad core. Like I > said I still have a bunch of research to do before I start tearing down > and reconfiguring my equipment. > > Todd > > I sure encourage you to keep your project documented here as we just had the really great experience with RAID recovery. I cannot spare the time just yet to move but this is the path I have envisioned and I hope to start on it next spring. I sure intend to continue saving all post on this thread just in case I get baned or sumpin drastic goes on, lol. herb From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 16 08:26:28 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Sep 16 10:10:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1253107588.4719.9.camel@phrodo> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 00:13 -0500, redpill wrote: > > You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining > > machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then > > install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... > > > > Sam > > > I feel you there with the time thing. right now I am gonna stick with > researching this out a bit more and probably begin implementing after my > A+ and Network+ certs in December. As I have been in contracting with both civilian and government tasks since 1998, I've found most organizations are leaning more toward the certifications for hiring than they used to, and I applaud your goals of getting those certifications. I'd recommend you also pursue the security+ cert that might give you an advantage over other folks competing for the same position. Al Castanoli From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 10:07:21 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Sep 16 10:10:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: If your goal is to become more marketable in the enterprise world and you want relevant experience, you need to work with the 'enterprise' hypervisors' out there: Citrix Xen Server and VMware ESX. Microsoft Hyper-V is also in the same space but I'm not sure if you want to learn the Microsoft stuff. Either way, only Xen Server and Hyper-V Server are completely free. You can download a trial of ESX, but they do require a license eventually. You can get ESXi for free, but it is a watered down version of ESX and I wouldn't recommend learning on it either. Of all the options you have available to you, I would highly recommend Xen Server unless you can get someone to get you an enterprise ESX license. I can also tell you that 99% of our clients have VMware ESX deployed in the data center, while the remaining 1% is mostly Xen. I know of maybe one group who uses Hyper-V exclusively. That's not to say that those percentages will not change over time, of course they will, but you get an idea what the most in demand skill set is. I think in the larger market, VMware is around 80%, Xen is around 10% and the rest (Parallels, Virtual Iron, xVM, Hyper-V, etc.) all share the last 10%. E On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:13 AM, redpill wrote: > > You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining > > machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then > > install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... > > > > Sam > > > I feel you there with the time thing. right now I am gonna stick with > researching this out a bit more and probably begin implementing after my > A+ and Network+ certs in December. As I noted before my main goal is to > learn server virtualization so as to make myself more marketable for the > job market. I figure that getting my mythbox virtualized is going to be > the real challenge. My ultimate goal is to take 6 of my boxes (2 > servers, 1 Mythbox, 2 thin clients and 1 router) all on one box. > > As for my hardware I have a dell PE840 with a dualcore xeon and a perc > 5i but I am not sure that it is the best machine for the mythbox Xeon's > are crap when it comes to video and graphics and the board has no PCI-e > slots for the video card. so I may end up using my quad core. Like I > said I still have a bunch of research to do before I start tearing down > and reconfiguring my equipment. > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gregswift at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 10:36:56 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Wed Sep 16 11:25:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> On 2009-09-16, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > If your goal is to become more marketable in the enterprise world and you > want relevant experience, you need to work with the 'enterprise' > hypervisors' out there: Citrix Xen Server and VMware ESX. Microsoft Hyper-V > is also in the same space but I'm not sure if you want to learn the > Microsoft stuff. Either way, only Xen Server and Hyper-V Server are > completely free. You can download a trial of ESX, but they do require a > license eventually. You can get ESXi for free, but it is a watered down > version of ESX and I wouldn't recommend learning on it either. Of all the > options you have available to you, I would highly recommend Xen Server > unless you can get someone to get you an enterprise ESX license. I can also > tell you that 99% of our clients have VMware ESX deployed in the data > center, while the remaining 1% is mostly Xen. I know of maybe one group who > uses Hyper-V exclusively. That's not to say that those percentages will not > change over time, of course they will, but you get an idea what the most in > demand skill set is. I think in the larger market, VMware is around 80%, > Xen > is around 10% and the rest (Parallels, Virtual Iron, xVM, Hyper-V, etc.) > all > share the last 10%. > > > E Keep your eye out on the Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization suite as well, they will be releasing a stand-alone hypervisor, which will likely see a free Fedora and/or CentOS counterpart. From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 11:42:31 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:08:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0909160942t7c2cf4a6x3c8c145ec3498343@mail.gmail.com> Open VMWare is a possibility as well. http://www.vmware.com/download/open_source.html Cheers! Peter Cross On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Greg Swift wrote: > On 2009-09-16, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > > If your goal is to become more marketable in the enterprise world and you > > want relevant experience, you need to work with the 'enterprise' > > hypervisors' out there: Citrix Xen Server and VMware ESX. Microsoft > Hyper-V > > is also in the same space but I'm not sure if you want to learn the > > Microsoft stuff. Either way, only Xen Server and Hyper-V Server are > > completely free. You can download a trial of ESX, but they do require a > > license eventually. You can get ESXi for free, but it is a watered down > > version of ESX and I wouldn't recommend learning on it either. Of all the > > options you have available to you, I would highly recommend Xen Server > > unless you can get someone to get you an enterprise ESX license. I can > also > > tell you that 99% of our clients have VMware ESX deployed in the data > > center, while the remaining 1% is mostly Xen. I know of maybe one group > who > > uses Hyper-V exclusively. That's not to say that those percentages will > not > > change over time, of course they will, but you get an idea what the most > in > > demand skill set is. I think in the larger market, VMware is around 80%, > > Xen > > is around 10% and the rest (Parallels, Virtual Iron, xVM, Hyper-V, etc.) > > all > > share the last 10%. > > > > > > E > > > Keep your eye out on the Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization suite as well, > they will be releasing a stand-alone hypervisor, which will likely see a > free Fedora and/or CentOS counterpart. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 16 11:46:05 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:08:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 10:36 -0500, Greg Swift wrote: > Keep your eye out on the Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization suite as well, > they will be releasing a stand-alone hypervisor, which will likely see a > free Fedora and/or CentOS counterpart. Red Hat already has an RHEL/Xen base established here in San Antonio. There's a large installation (nearing a petabyte of storage now) that has been running it for over a year and is looking to migrate their UNIX systems over to RHEL. Al Castanoli From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Sep 16 13:37:24 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Wed Sep 16 13:49:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <20090916133724.12095oowcbbdzlgk@webmail.grandecom.net> Thanks everyone for the advice. Right now I am leaning towards some flavour of Xen probably Citrix but I am also interested in KVM given that both Ubuntu (and more importantly for my employment future) Fedora is now backing KVM over Xen. I considered VMware until I saw what it was gonna cost me for a license. Either way i am thinking of doing a complete documentation from box build to install, with video and then post it on my website and use that as part of a job application to show off my skills to potential employers. The way I see it I want to demonstrate to employers not so much that I know a specific virtualization software but that I am capable and self-motivated enough to learn it on my own if need be. Thanks and I will endeavor to keep everyone informed on how this project moves along Todd Quoting Al Castanoli : > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 10:36 -0500, Greg Swift wrote: > >> Keep your eye out on the Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization suite as well, >> they will be releasing a stand-alone hypervisor, which will likely see a >> free Fedora and/or CentOS counterpart. > > Red Hat already has an RHEL/Xen base established here in San Antonio. > There's a large installation (nearing a petabyte of storage now) that > has been running it for over a year and is looking to migrate their UNIX > systems over to RHEL. > > Al Castanoli > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Sep 16 21:05:04 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Sep 16 23:43:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <20090916133724.12095oowcbbdzlgk@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> <20090916133724.12095oowcbbdzlgk@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <1253153104.5942.39.camel@redpill-laptop> I have been doing a little bit more thinking on what I want from my virtualization project and right now this is what I would like to combine into one box: 1. my router - running pfsense or ddwrt 2. a wifi ap - running pfsense or ddwrt in a DMZ 3. Firewall - using shorewall 4. a myth server that will serve at least 3 thin clients 5. a Ubuntu lstp server that will serve at least 3 thin clients 6. a apache server that will serve my wordpress blog and family website as well as zina (or some other media streamer) 7. a file server for my customer backups - I do computer repair on the side and I find that it is often good practice to have a separate server just for imaging my customers drives before I do any major repairs or reinstalls. 8. possible run freeNas or unRAID but not sure if this is gonna be a good thing to virtualize as I can see problems arising when trying to add or remove physical and virtual drives So far I have had the following software packages recommended: 1. Xen on Debian or Citrix 2. Open VMWare 3. KVM on Ubuntu or Fedora 4. openVZ as for hardware this is another concern but I think I have the gear to get it done. Box 1 Intel Q6600 Core2Quad on a Asus P5n-e sli 6 gigs of DDR2 Box 2 Del PE840 with a Core2Duo Xeon 2 gigs of DDR2 Perc 5i harddrives 3 160 gig sata2 2 500 gig sata2 2 320 gig sata2 2 80 gig eide 2 40 gig eide 1 200 gig sata2 right now I am leaning toward taking the quad core in box 1 and pairing it with the perc 5i. The only money i want to spend will be on hardrives and possible on maxing out the P5n-e to 8 gigs. My current thought is to get 6 more 500 gig drives and running 2 raid 5 with a software raid 0 to make a raid 50. this would give me approx 3 TB then take the remaining sata2 drives (totaling approx 1.3 tb) and putting them on freeNAS (or some other opensourse NAS platform like unRAID). as y'all can see this is still in the preliminary planning stages so any advice or comments at this stage are greatly welcome. Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 05:55:26 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Sep 17 08:17:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] WifiDocs - Community Ubuntu Documentation Message-ID: <4AB2159E.1010307@gmail.com> This article might help folk with wireless networking -- at least, in Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs Cheers; Ed From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 08:24:23 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Sep 17 10:08:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] WifiDocs - Community Ubuntu Documentation In-Reply-To: <4AB2159E.1010307@gmail.com> References: <4AB2159E.1010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909170624j367e9904jd2e411feaca65e5e@mail.gmail.com> good info, thks ed! c On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:55 AM, ed wrote: > This article might help folk with wireless networking -- at least, in > Ubuntu. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs > > Cheers; > Ed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From herrold at owlriver.com Thu Sep 17 20:25:08 2009 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Fri Sep 18 01:03:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Jose Leiva wrote: > I guess make sure you have clicked on the SSL button (for both stmp and > pop), had some trouble with a friends account then I checked the SSL button > and it worked after that. I though this thread had died out, but I guess not. This fetchmail stanza works fine for me to retrieve email from ATT poll pop.att.yahoo.com with proto pop3: timeout 60 user "accountname@att.net" there with password "secretpssword" is mylocaluserid here fetchall expunge 50 options ssl -- Russ herrold From jjc78244 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 18 13:52:50 2009 From: jjc78244 at yahoo.com (Jesse C) Date: Fri Sep 18 13:52:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router Message-ID: <461236.6456.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In Windows I sometimes create whats called an "ad-hoc network" on one of my computers so others can connect directly to it. PSPs and Nintendo DS's do this to automatically to play multiplayer games but computers must be told to do this. Not sure if that is what your looking for though. -Jesse C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:00:29 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sat Sep 19 09:48:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router Message-ID: <377200416-1253311260-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1582677267-@bda260.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Switch from networkmanger to wicd for as easier way to set up adhoc with a gui. ------Original Message------ From: Jesse C Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] How does one create a wireless router Sent: Sep 18, 2009 1:52 PM In Windows I sometimes create whats called an "ad-hoc network" on one of my computers so others can connect directly to it. PSPs and Nintendo DS's do this to automatically to play multiplayer games but computers must be told to do this. Not sure if that is what your looking for though. -Jesse C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 17:12:43 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Sep 19 17:12:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech Message-ID: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules Ed From dubose at texas.net Sat Sep 19 17:46:47 2009 From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net) Date: Sat Sep 19 18:03:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech In-Reply-To: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> References: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1253400407.4ab55f57170a9@webmail.texas.net> Quoting ed : > Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? > > http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules > > Ed > -- To carry this one step further, then ISPs couldn't block port 25 and 80 to/from your home computer. I think we know that internet bandwidth is limited by what the internet can afford to put on-line. If they could put on unlimited bandwidth, then no need to limit service. But that isn't the case. In many parts of the country, internet capacity is 1/10 of what is normally found in San Antonio. Thus, just for users to have limited E-Mail and web access, other services are limited. Its the same for roadways...in the country you have smaller roads and in cities express ways. Its just economics. Walt From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Sep 19 20:46:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Sep 19 20:46:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech In-Reply-To: <1253400407.4ab55f57170a9@webmail.texas.net> References: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> <1253400407.4ab55f57170a9@webmail.texas.net> Message-ID: <4AB58977.5000906@grandecom.net> dubose@texas.net wrote: > Quoting ed : > > >> Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? >> >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules >> >> Ed >> -- >> > > To carry this one step further, then ISPs couldn't block port 25 and 80 to/from > your home computer. > > I think we know that internet bandwidth is limited by what the internet can > afford to put on-line. If they could put on unlimited bandwidth, then no need > to limit service. But that isn't the case. In many parts of the country, > internet capacity is 1/10 of what is normally found in San Antonio. Thus, > just for users to have limited E-Mail and web access, other services are limited. > > Its the same for roadways...in the country you have smaller roads and in > cities express ways. Its just economics. > > Walt > > The way i see it this is a free speech issue, after all if money is equal to free speech (something corporations are currently arguing for in the Supreme Court) then blocking access to the particular services, be it iptv, torrent traffic, or blocking home based webservers, amounts to muzzling my free speech. also the road analogy dosn't apply in this case as you have more trafi c in the cities (thereby justifying bigger roads) then you do in rural areas. Furthermore, private industry provide 99.9% of the internet access where as the roads are a public venture. Todd Todd From pixelnate at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 21:56:18 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Sat Sep 19 21:56:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech In-Reply-To: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> References: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB599D2.2030604@gmail.com> ed wrote: > Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? > > http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules Just be careful siding with the FCC, though. The TW tech I talked to last month told me that it was the FCC that was behind the tiered billing scheme that TW was going to "test" a few months back. I was told that TW was picked by the FCC lead the push for it, even though the management was unofficially against it. Of course that could be just what they were told internally, true or not. ~Nate From youcanlinux at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 22:33:32 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Sat Sep 19 22:33:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: roads are a public venture ? Message-ID: re: " Furthermore, private industry provide 99.9% of the internet access where as the roads are a public venture." Many believe that according to Texas statues, Texas roads are supposed to be financed strictly by commercial transportation. Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? >>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules >>> >>> >> To carry this one step further, then ISPs couldn't block port 25 and 80 >> to/from >> your home computer. >> >> I think we know that internet bandwidth is limited by what the internet >> can >> afford to put on-line. If they could put on unlimited bandwidth, then no >> need >> to limit service. But that isn't the case. In many parts of the country, >> internet capacity is 1/10 of what is normally found in San Antonio. Thus, >> just for users to have limited E-Mail and web access, other services are >> limited. >> >> Its the same for roadways...in the country you have smaller roads and in >> cities express ways. Its just economics. >> >> Walt >> > > The way i see it this is a free speech issue, after all if money is equal > to free speech (something corporations are currently arguing for in the > Supreme Court) then blocking access to the particular services, be it iptv, > torrent traffic, or blocking home based webservers, amounts to muzzling my > free speech. > also the road analogy dosn't apply in this case as you have more trafi c in > the cities (thereby justifying bigger roads) then you do in rural areas. > Furthermore, private industry provide 99.9% of the internet access where as > the roads are a public venture. > > Todd > From hc at lookcee.com Sun Sep 20 09:04:16 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Sep 20 09:04:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech In-Reply-To: <4AB599D2.2030604@gmail.com> References: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> <4AB599D2.2030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB63660.9020609@lookcee.com> Nate wrote: > ed wrote: >> Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? >> >> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules > > Just be careful siding with the FCC, though. The TW tech I talked to > last month told me that it was the FCC that was behind the tiered > billing scheme that TW was going to "test" a few months back. I was > told that TW was picked by the FCC lead the push for it, even though > the management was unofficially against it. > > Of course that could be just what they were told internally, true or not. > > > ~Nate Yes, HNate could be but it sounds exactly how gov agencies operate. I will add the ploy that I see familiar is when they wish to regulate something they first make iy sound very appealing then they slowly nibble away all the benefits and expand the corp profit side. It is almost never altruistic almost always greed. Also remember gov is a predator. herb From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 10:31:07 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Sep 20 10:31:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules by AP: Yahoo! Tech In-Reply-To: <4AB63660.9020609@lookcee.com> References: <4AB5575B.2010303@gmail.com> <4AB599D2.2030604@gmail.com> <4AB63660.9020609@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70909200831w50d77d20wa8d583fcfd8d1eaf@mail.gmail.com> I totally agree Herb! when I first saw this post I wondered what they are really up too! The old dude who turned ATT into an ATM on us is now running GM. He lives here in SA...that speaks volumes for gm and the govt too... Something isn't "right" abt this whole idea..I'm thinking it will have something to do with more net censorship or something...cown the road. sometimes dooublespeak takes a little while to figure out..c On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Herb Cee wrote: > Nate wrote: > >> ed wrote: >> >>> Maybe we're finally moving in the right direction? >>> >>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090919/ap_on_hi_te/us_internet_rules >>> >> >> Just be careful siding with the FCC, though. The TW tech I talked to last >> month told me that it was the FCC that was behind the tiered billing scheme >> that TW was going to "test" a few months back. I was told that TW was picked >> by the FCC lead the push for it, even though the management was unofficially >> against it. >> >> Of course that could be just what they were told internally, true or not. >> >> >> ~Nate >> > Yes, HNate could be but it sounds exactly how gov agencies operate. I will > add the ploy that I see familiar is when they wish to regulate something > they first make iy sound very appealing then they slowly nibble away all the > benefits and expand the corp profit side. It is almost never altruistic > almost always greed. Also remember gov is a predator. > herb > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Sep 20 21:07:32 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Sep 20 21:07:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ATT Mail settings In-Reply-To: References: <4AA659FB.3060107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <191056.556.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4AA7065C.7070600@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <495ed5030909090015o114b39e6r9e18fc934bbb67e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB6DFE4.40807@w5omr.shacknet.nu> R P Herrold wrote: > On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Jose Leiva wrote: > > I though this thread had died out, but I guess not. > > This fetchmail stanza works fine for me to retrieve email from ATT > > > poll pop.att.yahoo.com with proto pop3: > timeout 60 > user "accountname@att.net" there with > password "secretpssword" > is mylocaluserid here > fetchall > expunge 50 > options ssl > > -- Russ herrold > Good info. Thanks, Russ. -Geoff From morfic at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 16:09:56 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Mon Sep 21 16:09:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Raid 1 Chunk Size suggestions Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering if anyone has come across a link that has raid 1 chunk size suggestions and also xfs block size/settings suggestions when a raid 1 is mostly used over nfs. I am most interested in anything helping with writes, increasing write speed over nfs to the xfs on raid1 would be most interesting. I would like to take of the disk side of things first, so i can move data back to raid1 asap. I can always tweak NFS later should i find something at fault on the NFS side of things. Thanks in advance for your time, Daniel From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 21 16:19:53 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 21 16:19:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Raid 1 Chunk Size suggestions In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> References: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB7EDF9.1040701@grandecom.net> Daniel Goller wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come across a link that has raid 1 chunk size > suggestions and also xfs block size/settings suggestions when a raid 1 is > mostly used over nfs. > I am most interested in anything helping with writes, increasing write speed > over nfs to the xfs on raid1 would be most interesting. > I would like to take of the disk side of things first, so i can move data > back to raid1 asap. > I can always tweak NFS later should i find something at fault on the NFS > side of things. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > Daniel > someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it depend upon the type and size of data that will be on the RAID. Large media files should have a large chunk size while smaller file sizes should use a smaller chunk size. Todd From morfic at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 16:23:40 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Mon Sep 21 16:23:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Raid 1 Chunk Size suggestions In-Reply-To: <4AB7EDF9.1040701@grandecom.net> References: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> <4AB7EDF9.1040701@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909211423l71fe6049r52c0bc9d8f0977b0@mail.gmail.com> Just left that out, files on the md0 will be in 5-25MB range (mostly RAW image files and processed jpegs) On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Daniel Goller wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone has come across a link that has raid 1 chunk >> size >> suggestions and also xfs block size/settings suggestions when a raid 1 is >> mostly used over nfs. >> I am most interested in anything helping with writes, increasing write >> speed >> over nfs to the xfs on raid1 would be most interesting. >> I would like to take of the disk side of things first, so i can move data >> back to raid1 asap. >> I can always tweak NFS later should i find something at fault on the NFS >> side of things. >> >> Thanks in advance for your time, >> >> Daniel >> >> > someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it depend upon the type and > size of data that will be on the RAID. Large media files should have a > large chunk size while smaller file sizes should use a smaller chunk size. > > > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Sep 21 17:48:45 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Sep 21 17:48:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: [Lopsa-us-tx-austin] Woohoo! Location found for Sept 22 meeting (talking about bcfg2)] Message-ID: <4AB802CD.9020606@shub-internet.org> Folks, It's been a while since we had a speaker at LOPSA-Austin, and I wanted to get the word out as widely here in town as I could. I know you folks are down in San Antonio, but I've had some folks down that way express interest in coming up to Austin for presentations like this, so I thought that I would share this information with you just in case. Anyway, if you're interested in the subject of configuration management, you may want to come see this talk about the lesser-known program called "bcfg2". -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Lopsa-us-tx-austin] Woohoo! Location found for Sept 22 meeting (talking about bcfg2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:00:50 -0500 From: Travis To: Austin Chapter of the League of Professional System Administrators Ok, we finally locked it down. We're meeting at the Guadalupe Mangia at the regular time in the meeting room. Sol Jerome of the Institute for Computational Engineering and Science at UT will be giving us a presentation on the bcfg2 configuration management tool. Travis -- Travis Campbell hcoyote@ghostar.org _______________________________________________ Lopsa-us-tx-austin mailing list Lopsa-us-tx-austin@lists.lopsa.org http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lopsa-us-tx-austin -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From siffland at nerdshack.com Mon Sep 21 20:15:14 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (siffland@nerdshack.com) Date: Mon Sep 21 20:15:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <1253153104.5942.39.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> <20090916133724.12095oowcbbdzlgk@webmail.grandecom.net> <1253153104.5942.39.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > I have been doing a little bit more thinking on what I want from my > virtualization project and right now this is what I would like to > combine into one box: > 1. my router - running pfsense or ddwrt > 2. a wifi ap - running pfsense or ddwrt in a DMZ > 3. Firewall - using shorewall > 4. a myth server that will serve at least 3 thin clients > 5. a Ubuntu lstp server that will serve at least 3 thin clients > 6. a apache server that will serve my wordpress blog and family website > as well as zina (or some other media streamer) > 7. a file server for my customer backups - I do computer repair on the > side and I find that it is often good practice to have a separate server > just for imaging my customers drives before I do any major repairs or > reinstalls. > 8. possible run freeNas or unRAID but not sure if this is gonna be a > good thing to virtualize as I can see problems arising when trying to > add or remove physical and virtual drives > > So far I have had the following software packages recommended: > > 1. Xen on Debian or Citrix > 2. Open VMWare > 3. KVM on Ubuntu or Fedora > 4. openVZ > > as for hardware this is another concern but I think I have the gear to > get it done. > > Box 1 > Intel Q6600 Core2Quad on a Asus P5n-e sli > 6 gigs of DDR2 > > Box 2 > Del PE840 with a Core2Duo Xeon > 2 gigs of DDR2 > Perc 5i > > harddrives > 3 160 gig sata2 > 2 500 gig sata2 > 2 320 gig sata2 > 2 80 gig eide > 2 40 gig eide > 1 200 gig sata2 > > > right now I am leaning toward taking the quad core in box 1 and pairing > it with the perc 5i. The only money i want to spend will be on > hardrives and possible on maxing out the P5n-e to 8 gigs. My current > thought is to get 6 more 500 gig drives and running 2 raid 5 with a > software raid 0 to make a raid 50. this would give me approx 3 TB then > take the remaining sata2 drives (totaling approx 1.3 tb) and putting > them on freeNAS (or some other opensourse NAS platform like unRAID). > > as y'all can see this is still in the preliminary planning stages so any > advice or comments at this stage are greatly welcome. > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > If you are really going to run XEN, I would recommend netBSD for the XEN host. netBSD is one of the best platforms you can run the host systems on, it offers great speed and all the benefits of anything else running XEN. It also has a smaller foot print for the host system than RHEL/centOS or unbuntu. Also I would consider not putting your router on a virtual machine. You will also want to get a few network cards. Consider trying vmware ESXi, it is free. Sean Iffland From satlug at net153.net Mon Sep 21 21:43:42 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Sep 21 21:43:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Raid 1 Chunk Size suggestions In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> References: <13bb8ce10909211409q73262d37i6dc4d4f392c49e54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB839DE.8010301@net153.net> Daniel Goller wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come across a link that has raid 1 chunk size > suggestions and also xfs block size/settings suggestions when a raid 1 is > mostly used over nfs. > I am most interested in anything helping with writes, increasing write speed > over nfs to the xfs on raid1 would be most interesting. > I would like to take of the disk side of things first, so i can move data > back to raid1 asap. > I can always tweak NFS later should i find something at fault on the NFS > side of things. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > Daniel Raid1 doesn't use chucks as it just writes directly to the filesystem. iirc Sam From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 22 10:22:16 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Sep 22 10:22:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <1253078003.5513.18.camel@redpill-laptop> <4e3f91d70909160836o562c69e9od34f881ec88f78a3@mail.gmail.com> <1253119565.13104.2.camel@phrodo> <20090916133724.12095oowcbbdzlgk@webmail.grandecom.net> <1253153104.5942.39.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4AB8EBA8.4050801@grandecom.net> > If you are really going to run XEN, I would recommend netBSD for the > XEN host. netBSD is one of the best platforms you can run the host > systems on, it offers great speed and all the benefits of anything > else running XEN. It also has a smaller foot print for the host > system than RHEL/centOS or unbuntu. Also I would consider not putting > your router on a virtual machine. You will also want to get a few > network cards. > > Consider trying vmware ESXi, it is free. > > Sean Iffland I'll look into using a BSD variant for Xen but i am not as familiar with it as I am with *nix variants. In the last couple of days I have been warming up to KVM as it seems to have better support with Ubuntu and Fedora (the two distro's that I am the most familiar) Also, what would be the advantage of keeping my router on a separate box? Todd From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 22 11:39:43 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 22 11:39:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks 10 year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 port hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; etc. Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you know if I have it. Thanks! jp From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 22 12:08:28 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Sep 22 12:08:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB9048C.6010401@grandecom.net> John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find > new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks 10 > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 port > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; etc. > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you know > if I have it. > > Thanks! > jp > If you have any P4 boxes My kids elementary school, Bowden Elementary could use a few more computers for there lab. Currently they only have 18 and the need 4 or 5 more in order to make it fully functional for their class sizes. Todd From Channing.ML at channingc.com Tue Sep 22 16:00:14 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Tue Sep 22 16:00:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB93ADE.4020004@channingc.com> John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find > new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks 10 > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 port > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; etc. > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you know > if I have it. > > Thanks! > jp > Any Cisco gear? Router/PIX ;) From satlug at net153.net Tue Sep 22 18:14:18 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Sep 22 18:14:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> Message-ID: <4AB95A4A.1060800@net153.net> Samuel Leon wrote: > redpill wrote: >> I have been thinking about decreasing the number of boxes running in my >> house and have begun to do the research on setting up a xen server. >> Currently I am running Ubuntu server 9.04 but my research indicates that >> this is not the best distro for Xen as there is no support for dom0. I >> looked into Fedora but same problem. Debian might be an option but my >> experience with this distro is limited. Does anyone out there have any >> experience with Xen? If so, what host distro do you recommend? >> >> I would like on running the following on the server: >> pfsense - router and wifi access point >> Ubuntu Lamp - wordpress and apache server >> Ubuntu LTSP - thin clienting 2 computers for the kids >> Mythbuntu - would be nice if I could do this but not sure if the TV >> cards will be an issue >> >> thanks for any advice >> Todd >> > > You have given me an idea. I think I am going to start combining > machines around here too. I think I will do xen on debian and then > install my firewall machine on top of that. Now to find some time... > > Sam I am still planning on using xen but I have been trying to find alternatives to the firewall distributions like pfsense and smoothwall since they are not really easy to get working in xen (although very easy to get working with full virtualization like Vmware). Right now I am seeing how hard it would be to configure a debian box with shorewall. It doesn't seem too bad so far. And being installed on debian, it would then be easy to virtualize with xen. Sam From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 22 18:34:49 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 22 18:34:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4AB93ADE.4020004@channingc.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> <4AB93ADE.4020004@channingc.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909221634k7d099a3cw6b8acddba5f6a74@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 16:00, wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find >> new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking >> donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. >> > > Any Cisco gear? Router/PIX ;) No, sorry, I am a cheepy networker :) From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Sep 22 19:28:04 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Sep 22 19:28:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4AB95A4A.1060800@net153.net> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <4AB95A4A.1060800@net153.net> Message-ID: <4AB96B94.7010901@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Samuel Leon wrote: > I am still planning on using xen but I have been trying to find > alternatives to the firewall distributions like pfsense and smoothwall > since they are not really easy to get working in xen (although very easy > to get working with full virtualization like Vmware). Right now I am > seeing how hard it would be to configure a debian box with shorewall. It > doesn't seem too bad so far. And being installed on debian, it would > then be easy to virtualize with xen. > > Sam It's very easy to virtualize any linux in xen. The only custom part is the kernel. if you can get a base system installed, you can run any distro. You can even build your own kernel to use in one specific DomU if you want. You just have to build it in the dom0 and then set it up in the xen configuration files. I suppose having "distro support" makes it easier, but even the guts of xen aren't terribly difficult to deal with. Maybe I'm tainted by experience... - -- David Kowis SourceMage GNU/Linux -- www.sourcemage.org Liberty or Death! -- www.campaignforliberty.com Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. - Robert Heinlein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKuWuUAAoJEMnf+vRw63Obca8L/3MwBrBnJfD4OXdQx0DG3KxL Cg1ymCTE6uxDE01FALKlWXIxW3A0gnbeXdlJbOuvXB4jA5L5VMXnm9syi2MnL/63 FwSnkivax73LafY6jxA8/oULF2cD9EJQyiS4IUKJzJHRHugNYJc0A+i7yPdeC2FW Sdiyz2Ln5ku5jqEoXaiHvZNqZJ9USG9Bg3GitJYG61iTXRGjeppoJ9FNmA1zmLrw wfKm0Dy5m/QJCjfVkwDh5SFoTb1E8tM/Uj8taJ/YcUk6ArLhxd5UydK9PTqRUFdB v6pIeLgX+j5RKWxbdMrmTQlYrUYiRr2arn95pV0mdI60AXPx/RlBCmB+8+KrzdrM 51CpmM2cG0FwJ6UXAU4R4f9OponP1Lv9pmhU7aI/P+Wo7H6QxKI/KPx9F/7vm26V MRpb0nskSDzGv6YkSBNASa8o44WC9SRtXBzYJ/2lgk6TAuCuK8NKx0FzYtqVmW2N u18A9ttXgQnH3x9mAyPtz3E4ZUwJU1Ou++I89s3ClA== =4Vg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 06:49:30 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Sep 23 06:49:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0909230449l31e22f4h55eac7c8af29347e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find > new homes, ?I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks 10 > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 port > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; etc. > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you know > if I have it. > > Thanks! > jp > -- Looking for a couple of 1GB PC2700/3200 sticks if you have them From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 08:57:11 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 23 08:57:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909230657k4895e429t17c128a42fb411bf@mail.gmail.com> John, how long are the Cat5 cables? I need two about 50 feet in length. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to find > new homes, ?I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks 10 > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 port > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; etc. > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you know > if I have it. > > Thanks! > jp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From j at jvpappas.net Wed Sep 23 10:46:37 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Sep 23 10:46:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0909230657k4895e429t17c128a42fb411bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909230657k4895e429t17c128a42fb411bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909230846w5ccf7bcat882f23e7e736e8a0@mail.gmail.com> Nothing that long. Can easily help acquire and terminate if you'd like... On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:57, Jeremy Mann wrote: > John, how long are the Cat5 cables? I need two about 50 feet in length. > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to > find > > new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks > 10 > > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 > port > > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; > etc. > > > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you > know > > if I have it. > > > > Thanks! > > jp > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 11:00:12 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Sep 23 11:00:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909230846w5ccf7bcat882f23e7e736e8a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0909230657k4895e429t17c128a42fb411bf@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450909230846w5ccf7bcat882f23e7e736e8a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909230900o15fce82ew607961c2432e7bab@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:46 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Nothing that long. ?Can easily help acquire and terminate if you'd like... Thanks John, but looks like Bruce has some long ones I'm trading him for 20-25 ft cables. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From j at jvpappas.net Wed Sep 23 11:11:03 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Sep 23 11:11:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0909230449l31e22f4h55eac7c8af29347e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0909230449l31e22f4h55eac7c8af29347e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909230911i31de363ieca61aa1ec5cc25c@mail.gmail.com> I am out of DIMMs of that sizes and speed (only have 256MB PC2100, 2x 128MB PC 2700 left) but I do have SODIMMs (2x 1 and a 2 GB DDR2-5300) remaining. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 06:49, Ed Coates wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I am clearing out my house, and I have a bunch of stuff that needs to > find > > new homes, I am not putting prices on anything, rather I am taking > > donations commiserate with the value it will provide to its new owner. > > > > The list of stuff is reasonably long so I am not going to send a complete > > detailed list, but it includes all things that a standard computer geeks > 10 > > year collection would: Network gear (10, 10/100, 10/100/1000 NICS, 4 -8 > port > > hubs & switches, Cat5); cables & connectors; Hard drives (20-500GB PATA); > > Memory; couple of older computers; APC UPS units (700-2000VA); media; > etc. > > > > Just let me know what you need/have been looking for and I will let you > know > > if I have it. > > > > Thanks! > > jp > > -- > Looking for a couple of 1GB PC2700/3200 sticks if you have them > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at net153.net Wed Sep 23 16:40:07 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Sep 23 16:40:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xen Server In-Reply-To: <4AB96B94.7010901@shlrm.org> References: <1253037397.7635.10.camel@redpill-laptop> <4AB061C0.9090408@net153.net> <4AB95A4A.1060800@net153.net> <4AB96B94.7010901@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4ABA95B7.9090405@net153.net> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Samuel Leon wrote: > > I am still planning on using xen but I have been trying to find >> alternatives to the firewall distributions like pfsense and smoothwall >> since they are not really easy to get working in xen (although very easy >> to get working with full virtualization like Vmware). Right now I am >> seeing how hard it would be to configure a debian box with shorewall. It >> doesn't seem too bad so far. And being installed on debian, it would >> then be easy to virtualize with xen. >> >> Sam > > It's very easy to virtualize any linux in xen. The only custom part is > the kernel. if you can get a base system installed, you can run any > distro. You can even build your own kernel to use in one specific DomU > if you want. You just have to build it in the dom0 and then set it up in > the xen configuration files. I suppose having "distro support" makes it > easier, but even the guts of xen aren't terribly difficult to deal with. > Maybe I'm tainted by experience... > > > - -- > David Kowis Hmm, I will look into it. The distro I use uses lilo too. I think there might be work arounds for that though. My other issue is that so many of these firewall distros have such out dated programs on them (squid, snort, ect). So I have been wanting to move away from them for awhile. I am going to give this shorewall stuff a whirl and see what happens. Atleast then I would have full control and would able to let the underlying distro keep everything up to date. Sam From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 24 07:18:50 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Sep 24 07:18:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for suggestions/duplication from an ftp site Message-ID: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> I am looking for suggestions for ease of use, no problems, personal experiences, for duplicating an ftp site to a local folder. Current OS is Debian, but will likely be reloaded since we are going to reload (hack into?) the server that is currently not doing anything. Previous server manager won't give us login and password, so as far as that goes (I think) is to reload the entire OS. I do have physical access to the hd and can pull it out to modify the /etc/passwd (?) file if that is all it takes to do something like that. Data size to be duplicated is about 19G right now and continues to grow. Technical service information for our technicians to duplicate to their laptops. Any suggestions? Thanks, Richard S From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Sep 24 08:17:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Sep 24 08:17:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for suggestions/duplication from an ftp site In-Reply-To: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> References: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> Message-ID: <4ABB717C.2030404@grandecom.net> rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > I am looking for suggestions for ease of use, no problems, personal experiences, for duplicating an ftp site to a local folder. Current OS is Debian, but will likely be reloaded since we are going to reload (hack into?) the server that is currently not doing anything. Previous server manager won't give us login and password, so as far as that goes (I think) is to reload the entire OS. I do have physical access to the hd and can pull it out to modify the /etc/passwd (?) file if that is all it takes to do something like that. > > Data size to be duplicated is about 19G right now and continues to grow. Technical service information for our technicians to duplicate to their laptops. > > Any suggestions? Thanks, > Richard S > If you have access to the box and the harddrive is not encypted and a 32 bit os with a linux 2.6 or < kernel then try KONBoot to bypass the admin. password. http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 08:39:35 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Sep 24 08:39:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for suggestions/duplication from an ftp site In-Reply-To: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> References: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> Message-ID: <79ec289f0909240639u4da45993yba8f29a698a5edee@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:18 AM, wrote: > I am looking for suggestions for ease of use, no problems, personal experiences, for duplicating an ftp site to a local folder. ? Current OS is Debian, but will likely be reloaded since we are going to reload (hack into?) the server that is currently not doing anything. ?Previous server manager won't give us login and password, so as far as that goes (I think) is to reload the entire OS. ?I do have physical access to the hd and can pull it out to modify the /etc/passwd (?) file if that is all it takes to do something like that. > > Data size to be duplicated is about 19G right now and continues to grow. ?Technical service information for our technicians to duplicate to their laptops. If all you're mirroring is the FTP site, does it allow anonymous logins? If so, I would use wget in recursive mode to fetch a local copy. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From morfic at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 08:43:56 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Thu Sep 24 08:43:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for suggestions/duplication from an ftp site In-Reply-To: <4ABB717C.2030404@grandecom.net> References: <20090924121850.OPSK2.75766.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> <4ABB717C.2030404@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10909240643l28c0903p29d3722338c80c7a@mail.gmail.com> What about booting with 'single' added to your kernel line if you have access to grub. Once in single user mode run passwd? If I understood it right you have physical access to the box? On Sep 24, 2009 8:17 AM, "Todd W. Bucy" wrote: rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > > I am looking for suggestions for ease of use, no problems, personal e... If you have access to the box and the harddrive is not encypted and a 32 bit os with a linux 2.6 or < kernel then try KONBoot to bypass the admin. password. http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ Todd -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://al... From j at jvpappas.net Thu Sep 24 09:18:17 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Sep 24 09:18:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT: Home Clearance... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450909220939waf9bc34k5574a82ae5a28417@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450909240718u127af8d5g4e55235d8a390af7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:39, John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am cle