From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 22:09:34 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:09:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] test Message-ID: <4A25E96E.1000605@gmail.com> From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Jun 2 22:18:11 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:25:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] test In-Reply-To: <4A25E96E.1000605@gmail.com> References: <4A25E96E.1000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25EB73.60904@futuretechsolutions.com> We have been an unusually quiet bunch these last few days. Bruce Dubbs wrote: > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 16:21:14 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:38:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT please ignore Message-ID: <79ec289f0906021421p3e6481fyae823106627d3cb2@mail.gmail.com> test -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 22:41:58 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:42:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list problems Message-ID: <4A25F106.7060900@gmail.com> OK, I think we are back up now. This is what happened: About 0732 last Saturday (May 30) the server rebooted. I don't know why. The log has an entry 01:17:07 and the next one is: May 30 07:32:40 alamo syslogd 1.4.1: restart. This matches the boot log. The reboot stopped a continuous run of about 1250 days. :( ----------- I don't know who set up mail/mailman on the system originally (it wasn't me), but I'm not impressed. None of the three main processes, sendmail, mailman, and spamassassin were set to start with the standard bootscripts. That is, none of the Sxx links weere present. After I started those, I still couldn't get sendmail to accept messages. From the timestamps, I think someone hacked the sendmail.cf file directly and never updated the sendmail.mc file. After I corrected this, with some trial and error), I still was getting relying denied messages and had to set another configuration file. ------------ In any case, I think the list is working properly now. If anyone is reasonably conversant in sendmail, I'd like them to contact me off line so I can verify that my settings are reasonable. Sorry it took so long to get back up. -- Bruce From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 22:55:21 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:55:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list problems In-Reply-To: <4A25F106.7060900@gmail.com> References: <4A25F106.7060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your work on this, Bruce. I did get an email on June 1 at 5:00AM, satlug.org mailing list memberships reminder. This claimed to be a monthly reminder, but I do not recall getting it every month. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > OK, I think we are back up now. ?This is what happened: > > About 0732 last Saturday (May 30) the server rebooted. ?I don't know why. > The log has an entry 01:17:07 and the next one is: > > May 30 07:32:40 alamo syslogd 1.4.1: restart. > > This matches the boot log. > > The reboot stopped a continuous run of about 1250 days. ?:( > ----------- > > I don't know who set up mail/mailman on the system originally (it wasn't > me), but I'm not impressed. ?None of the three main processes, sendmail, > mailman, and spamassassin were set to start with the standard bootscripts. > ?That is, none of the Sxx links weere present. > > After I started those, I still couldn't get sendmail to accept messages. > ?From the timestamps, I think someone hacked the sendmail.cf file directly > and never updated the sendmail.mc file. ? After I corrected this, with some > trial and error), I still was getting relying denied messages and had to set > another configuration file. > > ------------ > > In any case, ?I think the list is working properly now. ?If anyone is > reasonably conversant in sendmail, I'd like them to contact me off line so I > can verify that my settings are reasonable. > > Sorry it took so long to get back up. > > ?-- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 23:14:08 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:14:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT please ignore In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906021421p3e6481fyae823106627d3cb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0906021421p3e6481fyae823106627d3cb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0906022114s4a5b2a47m93f02ce3f65ce8a4@mail.gmail.com> Ignored. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > test > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue Jun 2 23:14:38 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:14:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00906022114h5322d6eh75d297a35d6c6b2d@mail.gmail.com> I told ya: http://gigaom.com/2009/05/30/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-%20%20to-its-contracts/ All Time Warner did was to drop the metering thing because of public backlash in order to prevent customers from dropping then adding this. ?I guess if you cant get in the front door, why not crawl in the back door..... Sean From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 23:03:21 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:03:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] test message Message-ID: <387350.77932.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> haven't received a message from the list in 4 days, just testing..... thnx esv -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 00:05:55 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:06:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mom's computer caught fire Message-ID: <1755656120-1244005560-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703769476-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hello, I feel really bad now that my mom does not have a computer to use. Would someone please donate parts because not everything seems to be destroyed. She used that computer to stay in contact with me. I live in houston now (should be back to SA in less than a year). The parts that are destroyed are the motherboard along with all integrated sound, integrated video, memory. The fire seemed to start from where the heatsync fan plugs into the motherboard. Linux for the machine is fine. She just needs to know that the virus problems she's been having will be non existant in linux, ubuntu is really not that hard to use, and not to listen to all that nonsense from my grandfather who dislikes linux cause I use it instead of his favorite vista. Travis once asked me where he could find vista. I asked have you looked in a dumpster? They don't call it vista ultimate garbage edition for nothing. Sorry, I got a little side tracked. She just needs to know that it will function for everything she needs it for (she uses ms office for her job) and it will run more efficiently. The proc may still be good. If you need me to say what it is, tell me how to find out since the comp won't turn on. Does it say on the backside of the chip maybe. Since I've told what parts do work, you guys should be able to find the ones that don't and donate if you have any spares. Or one of those computers you guys give away once in a while with a fully loaded fresh install of ubuntu 9 would be nice. My mom really needs this for communication with me in houston, communication with my sister at a university in California and for her job. Thanks and please mail me off the list. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 16:21:14 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:15:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT please ignore Message-ID: <79ec289f0906021421p3e6481fyae823106627d3cb2@mail.gmail.com> test -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 00:46:18 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:46:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] test Message-ID: <56464.66756.qm@web50411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> -- On Tue, 6/2/09, Charles Hogan wrote: > We have been an unusually quiet bunch > these last few days. Yep, I just hate it when my computers run good all the time. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 01:32:41 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jun 3 01:32:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] time warner Message-ID: <7e4994a70906022332m571a0181gdbf28d3fe0c898b6@mail.gmail.com> Now what are they up too? When I clicked on the link it said "oops, unable to find page." ATT is never very far behind TW...thanks! cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From siffland at nerdshack.com Mon Jun 1 18:34:49 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:13:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again Message-ID: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> I told ya: http://gigaom.com/2009/05/30/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-%20%20to-its-contracts/ All Time Warner did was to drop the metering thing because of public backlash in order to prevent customers from dropping then adding this. I guess if you cant get in the front door, why not crawl in the back door..... Sean From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 06:27:33 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:27:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list problems In-Reply-To: References: <4A25F106.7060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A265E25.7050902@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Howard Haradon wrote: > Thanks for your work on this, Bruce. I did get > an email on June 1 at 5:00AM, satlug.org mailing list > memberships reminder. This claimed to be a monthly > reminder, but I do not recall getting it every month. > > HH > Good Job, Bruce. Last message I got, was 29 May, from Alex Bartonek at 9:26am. -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 06:33:28 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:33:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A265F88.2080309@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Sean I wrote: > I told ya: > > http://gigaom.com/2009/05/30/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-%20%20to-its-contracts/ > > All Time Warner did was to drop the metering thing because of public > backlash in order to prevent customers from dropping then adding this. > I guess if you cant get in the front door, why not crawl in the back > door..... > > Sean > again, the problem isn't with the link... the LINK responds with "Oops! Sometimes we don't find what we are looking for. So why should this time be any different? Sorry for not being really helpful, but let's try it again." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 06:35:21 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:35:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A265FF9.2040702@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Sean I wrote: > I told ya: > > http://gigaom.com/2009/05/30/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-%20%20to-its-contracts/ > > All Time Warner did was to drop the metering thing because of public > backlash in order to prevent customers from dropping then adding this. > I guess if you cant get in the front door, why not crawl in the back > door..... > > Sean > http://gigaom.com/2009/06/02/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-to-its-contracts/ this one worked... days are different, link formatting is different. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 06:39:46 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:39:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00906011634t332ded69p9942456c83ec4775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A266102.7030503@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Just so it work where everyone can see it... wish the formatting and links would transfer over from the copy-n-paste. -Geoff *Updated: *Time Warner Cable has modified the language of its consumer subscriber agreement that is directed at legitimizing the cable company?s ability to throttle and measure a consumer?s bandwidth. The new additions to the agreement also sanction tiered pricing. After Time Warner Cable?s failed attempt to expand tiered billing trials, which created different pricing plans for consumers based on the amount of data they downloaded, the company promised it would shelve the plans while it educated consumers. It looks like that education campaign may come now that the legal bases are theoretically covered. Here?s the new language: 6. Special Provisions Regarding HSD Service (ii) *I agree that TWC or ISP may change the Maximum Throughput Rate of any tier by amending the price list or Terms of Use. *My continued use of the HSD Service following such a change will constitute my acceptance of any new Maximum Throughput Rate. If the level or tier of HSD Service to which I subscribe has a specified limit on the amount of bytes that I can use in a given billing cycle, I also agree that TWC may use technical means, including but not limited to suspending or reducing the speed of my HSD Service, to ensure compliance with these limits, and that TWC or ISP *may move me to a higher tier of HSD Service (which may result in higher monthly charges) or impose other charges and fees if my use exceeds these limits*. (iii) I agree that TWC may use Network Management Tools as it determines appropriate and/or that it may use technical means, including but not limited to suspending or reducing the Throughput Rate of my HSD Service, to ensure compliance with its Terms of Use and to ensure that its service operates efficiently. I further agree that TWC and ISP *have the right to monitor my bandwidth usage patterns to facilitate the provision of the HSD Service* and to ensure my compliance with the Terms of Use and to efficiently manage their networks and their provision of services. TWC or ISP may take such steps as each may determine appropriate in the event my usage of the HSD Service does not comply with the Terms of Use. *I acknowledge that HSD Service does not include other services managed by TWC and delivered over TWC?s shared infrastructure, including Video Service and Digital Phone Service.* The language means that a subscriber can?t sign up for a contract plan hoping to avoid tiered pricing by getting in before a new tiered plan is implemented. It also specifically threatens throttling of a person?s service for violating the terms of use (hopefully it makes those terms of use a little clearer , though). It also separates out its voice and video service from the data plans, and it appears that those won?t count against any cap, and they may not be subject to throttling. Time Warner could not be reached for comment, but allowing its own products to bypass a cap would give its services an advantage over other VoIP providers and online video. That may draw the FCC?s ire. The agency earlier this year was asking Comcast whether it prioritizes its own VoIP services over competitors? also running on the cable network. We can?t get a new FCC chief soon enough . *UPDATE:* Stop the Cap, which first reported that Time Warner had modified its subscriber agreements, has updated its original story to note that there is a dispute over when Time Warner actually made the changes to its subscriber agreement. ?Time Warner Cable representatives told another reporter that the language we reported on was published earlier than ?implied? in this article,? wrote Phillip Dampier, founder and editor-in-chief of STC, in an update published yesterday evening (we heard from the same reporter). ?In their eyes, this represented ?nothing new.?? Exact timing aside, what is clear is that Time Warner did recently notify a subscriber in San Antonio, Texas, of a change to the subscriber agreement on that subscriber?s May bill, which is what prompted both Dampier?s story and my own. Time Warner still has not returned my repeated calls and emails seeking comment, while calls to the company?s customer services reps resulted in an array of responses, including one representative telling me that Time Warner was still practicing tiered billing in North and South Carolina and another who said that the subscriber agreement is accurate and that the company is not charging overage fees. One way or another Time Warner still needs to address the concerns generated by the modified language. Yesterday Public Knowledge, a public interest group, called on the FCC and Congress to investigate the language included in the terms, specifically those that appear to exempt Time Warner?s own services from a bandwidth cap and any throttling. If Time Warner provides me with information as to when the changes were made, or answers any of the other questions I sent, I?ll update you. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 3 06:53:42 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (afcasta@satx.rr.com) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:53:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mom's computer caught fire In-Reply-To: <1755656120-1244005560-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703769476-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090603115342.QROSR.72668.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Chris, I've got a Pentium 4 box I'm not using because I'm working on 64 bit Xen kernels right now. If you write me with how to contact her, I'll be glad to throw an ubuntu box together for her. Al Castanoli ---- christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, I feel really bad now that my mom does not have a computer to use. Would someone please donate parts because not everything seems to be destroyed. She used that computer to stay in contact with me. I live in houston now (should be back to SA in less than a year). The parts that are destroyed are the motherboard along with all integrated sound, integrated video, memory. The fire seemed to start from where the heatsync fan plugs into the motherboard. Linux for the machine is fine. She just needs to know that the virus problems she's been having will be non existant in linux, ubuntu is really not that hard to use, and not to listen to all that nonsense from my grandfather who dislikes linux cause I use it instead of his favorite vista. Travis once asked me where he could find vista. I asked have you looked in a dumpster? They don't call it vista ultimate garbage edition for nothing. Sorry, I got a little side tracked. She just needs to know that it will function for everything she needs it for (she uses ms office for her job) and it will run more efficiently. The proc may still be good. If you need me to say what it is, tell me how to find out since the comp won't turn on. Does it say on the backside of the chip maybe. Since I've told what parts do work, you guys should be able to find the ones that don't and donate if you have any spares. Or one of those computers you guys give away once in a while with a fully loaded fresh install of ubuntu 9 would be nice. My mom really needs this for communication with me in houston, communication with my sister at a university in California and for her job. Thanks and please mail me off the list. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 08:14:27 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:14:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update Message-ID: <702427.23949.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Michael wrote:> > > Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to > be added in > pairs? > Yes, Momma always told me to keep quiet if I didn't know > what I was > talking about > but for some reason, I thought additional memory cards had > to be added > in pairs. > > Michael > -- Michael, not sure, I used to run my pc with only one memory card for a while, I believe my kid's PC still runs with one. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 3 08:22:57 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:23:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update Message-ID: <767724.90514.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: From: Enrique Sanchez Vela Subject: Re: [SATLUG] system crash update To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:14 AM --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Michael wrote:> >??? > Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to > be added in > pairs? > Yes, Momma always told me to keep quiet if I didn't know > what I was > talking about > but for some reason, I thought additional memory cards had > to be added > in pairs. > > Michael > -- Michael, ? not sure, I used to run my pc with only one memory card for a while, I believe my kid's PC still runs with one. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 Michael, In my experience, some older boxes required matching RAM sticks while others would let you play "mix and match."? Running crucial.com will tell you what RAM you have installed, what your max could be, whether or not the sticks have to match, and a few other info items. Art ????? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 08:50:52 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:50:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner...again Message-ID: <182669.36400.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://gigaom.com/2009/06/02/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-to-its-contracts/ --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Geoff wrote: > > http://gigaom.com/2009/05/30/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-%20%20to-its-contracts/ Try this link. http://gigaom.com/2009/06/02/time-warner-cable-adds-tier-friendly-terms-to-its-contracts/ From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 08:52:19 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:52:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A268013.1040605@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to be added in > pairs? > Yes, Momma always told me to keep quiet if I didn't know what I was > talking about > but for some reason, I thought additional memory cards had to be added > in pairs. > It depends on the chipset. Some older chipsets require that memory be installed in pairs, but nowadays that's not normally a requirement. The Intel chipsets in most of the contemporary machines don't require ram installed in parity. ~Nate From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 08:54:50 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:54:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update Message-ID: <924944.46058.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Michael wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to > be added in > pairs? Some absolutely have to be matched pairs. Others don't. It all depends on the mobo. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:41:12 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:56:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message-ID: <4A258058.5060401@gmail.com> No text. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:25:02 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:25:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 things, TW and my mem Message-ID: <7e4994a70906030725m2b10a735h2052eee4e5fb6828@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the link to the TW story...appreciate it! Michael, read my mobo manual and it doesn't state anything abt mem being in pairs or even having to be the same mb in each slot...in fact it says it doesn't have to be. I have 3 slots and added 1 stick of the exact same mem. Turns out I have a bigger problem than that tho...it could be 1 of a million things going wrong and causing lots of problrms that are very very weird and fortunately rare. System is being replaced thanks to Herb and Alex! It will be awesome to have a system that really works well again! Thank you so much Alex and Herb for coming to my rescue! Cheryl From president at satlug.org Wed Jun 3 09:53:30 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:53:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything sorted out, I will let everybody know. If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can that evening. I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time like I would on my lunch hour. If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after the meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. Jim Wells From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jun 3 10:50:01 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:50:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] LVM+RAID System Consolidation Tale.... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906030850j7698a065l8085f5a266122bb3@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I thought that I would relay my tale of the last few days of a consolidation of a couple of systems (My home TV system + Home NAS/VM Server) that is ultimately a LVM and SW Raid exercise. So here is the situation: I had 2 separate systems that I wanted to consolidate (both use LVM, server had SW Raid): 1. My SageTV HTPC system with a 200G OS drive and 2x1TB Data drives along with encoder card 2. My Home server with 300GB Mirrored (R1+LVM) OS and 4x500GB Data (R5+LVM) with 8 Drive cage slots (2 open slots, conveniently enough) So the layout: - SageTV - sdb - 1TB - 1 LVM partition (VG: VData) - sdc - 1TB - 2 Partitions, 500G split, (VG: MData) - LVs - VData: Media, tv2, tv3, Sage-Backup - MData: Video, Transcode - Home Server - RAID Layout - md0 = boot; md1 = root; md2 = LVM VG: Data; md3 = swap - md3 : active raid1 sdc2[1] sde2[0] 2008000 blocks [2/2] [UU] - md2 : active raid5 sdd1[0] sdf1[3] sdb1[2] sda1[1] 1465151808 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU] - md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sde1[1] 136448 blocks [2/2] [UU] - md1 : active raid1 sdc3[0] sde3[1] 290904896 blocks [2/2] [UU] - VG Data LV: export, iso, ftp, et cetra Actions taken: 1. Power down both systems (If I did not have to move the PCI TV Tuner, would have only had to shut down TV due to future IP addr conflict, SATA is hot-swappable, but unmounting volumes is still wise before hot-swap) 2. Install transferred hardware to home server 3. Power on in single user mode (Better control of services and disks) 4. Reconfigure network info, configure services, verify mounts, etc 5. `vgmerge` Vdata and Data VG's 6. Go into runlevel 3 since VG's are now combined as required. 7. `pvmove` MData so that all LV's on second partition, `vgreduce` and `pvremove` first partition. 8. fdisk first partiton to be type 'fd' (Linux raid autodetect) 9. `mdadmin --add /dev/md2 /dev/sdl1` to add new partition as "hot spare" 10. `mdadmin --grow -n 5 /dev/md2` to move from 4 disk Raid5 to 5 disk Raid 5 using just added hot-spare. md2 is now 1.8GiB with ~900GiB free. cat /proc/mdstat to verify Raid: 1. md2 : active raid5 sdl1[4] sdd1[0] sdf1[3] sdb1[2] sda1[1] 1465151808 blocks super 0.91 level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU] [=======>.............] reshape = 35.7% (174522176/488383936) finish=570.8min speed=9161K/sec 2. Yep takes a really long time - Good thing this is an online operation - (600 mins = 10 Hours) and runs CPU (2Ghz Ath64x1) at ~25% to do the XOR calculations to layout parity. 11. Now start evacuating sdk to md2: 1. `pvmove -n media /dev/sdk1 /dev/md2` - Takes about 1 hr per 100GB, in this case 4 hours 2. `pvmove -n tv2 /dev/sdk1 /dev/md2` - Takes another 4 hours 3. `pvmove -n tv3 /dev/sdk1 /dev/md2` - Only 2 hours this time, as smaller (175G) This is the point where I am now. I am going to execute the following steps once step 11.3 above is done. 1. Now that sdk is evacuated, I have an empty 1TB sdk (the other 1TB drive - sdl - is 50% md2 and 50% LVM VG data2. 2. I will probably take 50% of sdk to add to md2 so that md2 would be a 6x500GB R5 array (will take about 18hrs to "reshape" the now 2.2TiB R5 array and move the volumes from sdl2 to md2. That will leave 500GB sd[kl]2 partitions empty. I am not sure ultimately what I will do with those, but I will probably mirror them (/dev/md4) and move the VMware Server stuff (SYS:VM-/vm) to md4. That is it for now, please share any thoughts! jp From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:23:35 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:23:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list policy change Message-ID: <4A26A387.6040102@gmail.com> The SATLUG mailing list gets quite a bit of spam that does not actually get sent out to list members. In the past, messages that come from non-subscribed email addresses came to the list administrator. The ratio of valid messages to spam is probably about 1 in 1000. I have changed the policy in this area so that the system now automatically discards messages from non-member email accounts. If you want to be able to post from multiple accounts, you can register as many as you want, but you can also optionally disable mail sent to all but one of your accounts. Accounts can be managed from the link at the footer of all SATLUG mail. -- Bruce From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:23:43 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:23:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mom's computer caught fire In-Reply-To: <1755656120-1244005560-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703769476-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1755656120-1244005560-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1703769476-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A26A38F.1030701@gmail.com> I have an old HP Pavilion 530i already setup with Ubu (8.04, I think...) that's just gathering dust. Not the fastest thing on the planet, but everything works. Interested? Cheers; Ed ======================= christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, I feel really bad now that my mom does not have a computer to use. Would someone please donate parts because not everything seems to be destroyed. She used that computer to stay in contact with me. I live in houston now (should be back to SA in less than a year). The parts that are destroyed are the motherboard along with all integrated sound, integrated video, memory. The fire seemed to start from where the heatsync fan plugs into the motherboard. Linux for the machine is fine. She just needs to know that the virus problems she's been having will be non existant in linux, ubuntu is really not that hard to use, and not to listen to all that nonsense from my grandfather who dislikes linux cause I use it instead of his favorite vista. Travis once asked me where he could find vista. I asked have you looked in a dumpster? They don't call it vista ultimate garbage edition for nothing. Sorry, I got a little side tracked. She just needs to know that it will function for everything she needs it for (she uses ms office for her job) and it will run more efficiently. The proc may still be good. If you need me to say what it is, tell me how to find out since the comp won't turn on. Does it say on the backside of the chip maybe. Since I've told what parts do work, you guys should be able to find the ones that don't and donate if you have any spares. Or one of those computers you guys give away once in a while with a fully loaded fresh install of ubuntu 9 would be nice. My mom really needs this for communication with me in houston, communication with my sister at a university in California and for her job. Thanks and please mail me off the list. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:26:13 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:26:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A425.8010703@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> *Hi everyone, I'm looking forward to going through the digests and reading >> what I've been missing the last few weeks while I have been offline. >> >> I haven't a clue what's going on with this machine...mem socket bad or >> graphics card? The browser crahed again a few minutes ago but got it up and >> running again. I did have to remove the 3rd brand new stick of 512 sdram mem >> >> >> > > > Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to be added in > pairs? > Yes, Momma always told me to keep quiet if I didn't know what I was > talking about > but for some reason, I thought additional memory cards had to be added > in pairs. > > Michael > Naah... Everything after PC100, since the advent of dual-channel RAM, has been able to run in single stick. Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:51:10 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:51:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A9FE.8020000@gmail.com> To: bartonekdragracing@yahoo.com > *Hi Alex, > > I'm still "trying" to set this thing up////I did install the new mem stick I > have here that arrived the day after you received my PC...MAJOR TROUBLE..so > had to take it out. It makes my stsem very unstable, crashing everything > every time I tried to open Firefox, synaptic or anything. Everything would > just crash no matter what I tried to do. > > I haven't tried opening synaptic after removing the mem stick yet....but > Firefox hasn't crahed yet..:O) > > I wonder if the socket for the mem might be bad since neither the 256 or the > 512 worked in it? what do you think? or might there be an issue with the > video card using that mat of mem? > > Since the pages on Firefox doen't get as large as they did using Hardy and > Firefox, I may try Opera browser??? Control + just isn't enlarging the > print enough for me to see it...:o( maybe i need to poke around Firefox > "preferences" to see what I might be able to do??? or check "add-ons and > synaptic?" > Cheryl; In Synaptic, you should be able to locate and install "Orca Screen Reader and Magnifier." > this is a really odd problem here with the mem...that is bugging me since I > wanted to max it out... > > will take me a few days to poke around here i think since i can't see the > print or the curser...then i can see what else might be going on... > > i'm really puzzled with this thing...thanks! cheryl* > > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 12:30:19 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:30:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW Message-ID: <7e4994a70906031030s7081867by8076160712cf0782@mail.gmail.com> what if people with TW turned off Javascript? cheryl From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 12:45:02 2009 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:45:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906031030s7081867by8076160712cf0782@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906031030s7081867by8076160712cf0782@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7733E8D9-5B02-45A4-A207-00D65B3F2D1E@gmail.com> On second thought, I think I read your email wrong. --Gabe On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > what if people with TW turned off Javascript? cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 12:42:26 2009 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:49:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906031030s7081867by8076160712cf0782@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906031030s7081867by8076160712cf0782@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8477F0AE-AAED-47B8-A323-75B3BAA2B1AC@gmail.com> Then they would be getting out of the ISP business. Javascript runs on your programs (browser, PDF reader, email client). They would have to block all .js files, which would essentially break every site you visit. --Gabe On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > what if people with TW turned off Javascript? cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jun 3 14:58:38 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:00:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update In-Reply-To: <4A26A425.8010703@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> <4A26A425.8010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26D5EE.1090703@lookcee.com> ed wrote: > > > Michael wrote: >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >>> *Hi everyone, I'm looking forward to going through the digests and >>> reading >>> what I've been missing the last few weeks while I have been offline. >>> >>> I haven't a clue what's going on with this machine...mem socket bad or >>> graphics card? The browser crahed again a few minutes ago but got >>> it up and >>> running again. I did have to remove the 3rd brand new stick of 512 >>> sdram mem >>> >>> >> >> >> Forgive my ignorance, but aren't memory sticks supposed to be added in >> pairs? >> Yes, Momma always told me to keep quiet if I didn't know what I was >> talking about >> but for some reason, I thought additional memory cards had to be added >> in pairs. >> >> Michael >> > Naah... Everything after PC100, since the advent of dual-channel > RAM, has been able to run in single stick. > > Cheers; > Ed > I did a lot of reading for this new upgrade I did and here is what I understand. Ed is correct, when we still used the SIMMs you had to install in pairs because of the way Ram is used in the CPU clock. back then we only has 16bit data paths. The next step was to go to the longer sticks with 168pins and that was really 2 sticks made on same form had a single bank on either side and was to serve the 32bit machines,then that got changed to the Sdrams that have two banks on one side or just 1 then they went to the 240pin design that has 4 banks on each chip, so you can run in either 32 or 64bit mode. Now i think the above can be used in diff ways of arranging the RAM circuits for either reg non-parity or Ecc or some other arrangement but I hope they stay with the 240pin I recently bought 4 sticks of 4GB ea for $60 inc S&H. and they all work Anyway I found Mem hard to grasp and I think follow the specs in the manual is the right way to determine what the mobo wants since both the CPU and the data path determine it. herb From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 17:10:53 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:10:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list policy change In-Reply-To: <4A26A387.6040102@gmail.com> References: <4A26A387.6040102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906031510n59e9a041y8cc28a5ceb6d8d73@mail.gmail.com> Bruce, Thanks for all the work you do on the server. I know everyone on the list appreciates it. Steve On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > The SATLUG mailing list gets quite a bit of spam that does not actually get > sent out to list members. In the past, messages that come from > non-subscribed email addresses came to the list administrator. The ratio of > valid messages to spam is probably about 1 in 1000. > > I have changed the policy in this area so that the system now automatically > discards messages from non-member email accounts. If you want to be able to > post from multiple accounts, you can register as many as you want, but you > can also optionally disable mail sent to all but one of your accounts. > > Accounts can be managed from the link at the footer of all SATLUG mail. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 17:12:14 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:12:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906031512t3d0c318fk59804ebf70623a07@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I will be at the meeting on the 10th. Steve On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. > > I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be > going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who > wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything > sorted out, I will let everybody know. > > If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can > make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can > that evening. > > I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is > the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time > like I would on my lunch hour. > > If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after > the > meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. > > Jim Wells > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 17:32:21 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:32:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables noobie Message-ID: <802370.23739.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey folks, it's been ages since I don't mess with iptables and now I am facing a daunting problem with one particular server not talking to its application peers. I have this: > iptables -L INPUT | head Chain INPUT (policy DROP) does that mean that unless there is a specific rule to accept the packet, the unmatched packet will be dropped? thank you, esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:01:42 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:01:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] iptables noobie In-Reply-To: <802370.23739.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <802370.23739.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2700D6.4010602@gmail.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > hey folks, it's been ages since I don't mess with iptables and now I am > facing a daunting problem with one particular server not talking to its > application peers. > > I have this: > >> iptables -L INPUT | head > Chain INPUT (policy DROP) > > > does that mean that unless there is a specific rule to accept the packet, the > unmatched packet will be dropped? Yes. -- Bruce From ve3cda at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:21:36 2009 From: ve3cda at gmail.com (Ben Price) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:21:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I plan on being at the meeting. Regards, Ben AD5YY / VE3CDA On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. > > I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be > going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who > wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything > sorted out, I will let everybody know. > > If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can > make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can > that evening. > > I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is > the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time > like I would on my lunch hour. > > If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after > the > meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. > > Jim Wells > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 18:33:31 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:33:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] 2 things, TW and my mem In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906030725m2b10a735h2052eee4e5fb6828@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906030725m2b10a735h2052eee4e5fb6828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A27084B.4000307@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thanks for the link to the TW story...appreciate it! > > Michael, > > read my mobo manual and it doesn't state anything abt mem being in pairs or > even having to be the same mb in each slot...in fact it says it doesn't have > to be. > > I have 3 slots and added 1 stick of the exact same mem. Turns out I have a > bigger problem than that tho...it could be 1 of a million things going wrong > and causing lots of problrms that are very very weird and fortunately rare. > System is being replaced thanks to Herb and Alex! It will be awesome to > have a system that really works well again! Thank you so much Alex and Herb > for coming to my rescue! Cheryl > let me guess... capacitors on the motherboard went 'poof'? Those can be replaced, and the mobo put back in decent shape again. I know, because I just did that a couple of months ago on this one. Fixed it right up. AMD 2200+, 1.8GHz cpu w/756meg of RAM. To answer the RAM question, this mobo has *3* ram slots. Can run on one, two or three stick(s) of 128, 256, 512 or 1Gb of PC133 Ram. Pretty sure it's an Abit motherboard. I don't remember. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From nathan at gvtc.com Wed Jun 3 18:49:22 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:49:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts Message-ID: <20090603164922.98FAD6B2@resin13.mta.everyone.net> Jim, Plan to be there, but one question, do we have a room to meet in? How about a topic? Nathan On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. > > I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be > going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who > wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything > sorted out, I will let everybody know. > > If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can > make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can > that evening. > > I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is > the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time > like I would on my lunch hour. > > If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after > the > meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. > > Jim Wells > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:53:36 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:53:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts In-Reply-To: <20090603164922.98FAD6B2@resin13.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090603164922.98FAD6B2@resin13.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906031653s5bb55a9k6c6bf45a8ab5e637@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Nathan wrote: > Jim, > > Plan to be there, but one question, do we have a room to meet in? How > about a topic? > > Nathan > > > Room Nail Technical Center 213A. Topic...? Steve From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 19:02:11 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:02:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] no idea, but something is degrading or breaking down Message-ID: <7e4994a70906031702w52bb49b4ge111e3bab356938@mail.gmail.com> Too many weird and unusual things going on. I think the mem sticks themselves are all fine..all new. Bo clue if it's a cap Geoff...it's a MS-6330 mobo with an AMD Thunderbird @1400 mem maxed out at 1.5 gig SDRAM. (per mobo manual), etc...if Alex wants to troubleshoot it, it's his soon...could be anything, just really odd. Never seen these kinds of things before. Have seen similar when a HD was loosing sectors tho...cheryl oh, I didn't mean to sound gruff or rude...just thrilled to be moving on after all this! From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 3 19:09:41 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:09:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] no idea, but something is degrading or breaking down In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906031702w52bb49b4ge111e3bab356938@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906031702w52bb49b4ge111e3bab356938@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2710C5.9080402@w5omr.shacknet.nu> In any case... WELCOME BACK, CHERYL! :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 21:55:19 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:55:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] system crash update In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70905310015n1bf23962t1d31c9bbc5cb91fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A273797.2040806@gmail.com> To: bartonekdragracing@yahoo.com > > *Hi Alex, > > I'm still "trying" to set this thing up////I did install the new mem stick I > have here that arrived the day after you received my PC...MAJOR TROUBLE..so > had to take it out. It makes my stsem very unstable, crashing everything > every time I tried to open Firefox, synaptic or anything. Everything would > just crash no matter what I tried to do. > > I haven't tried opening synaptic after removing the mem stick yet....but > Firefox hasn't crahed yet..:O) > > I wonder if the socket for the mem might be bad since neither the 256 or the > 512 worked in it? what do you think? or might there be an issue with the > video card using that mat of mem? > > Since the pages on Firefox doen't get as large as they did using Hardy and > Firefox, I may try Opera browser??? Control + just isn't enlarging the > print enough for me to see it...:o( maybe i need to poke around Firefox > "preferences" to see what I might be able to do??? or check "add-ons and > synaptic?" > Cheryl; In Synaptic, you should be able to locate and install "Orca Screen Reader and Magnifier." > this is a really odd problem here with the mem...that is bugging me since I > wanted to max it out... > > will take me a few days to poke around here i think since i can't see the > print or the curser...then i can see what else might be going on... > > i'm really puzzled with this thing...thanks! cheryl* > > > > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 22:08:48 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:08:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] no idea, but something is degrading or breaking down Message-ID: <878.74358.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I find it unusual because here at my house I left it on for quite a while, even did an online update to 9.04 without crashing or any issues. I read that you said you dont have a/c ? maybe overheating etc. tough to say but I've never seen that many problems in a system like you are experiencing. -Alex --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > From: Cheryl Holmes > Subject: [SATLUG] no idea, but something is degrading or breaking down > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:02 PM > Too many weird and unusual things > going on.? I think the mem sticks > themselves are all fine..all new. > > Bo clue if it's a cap Geoff...it's a MS-6330 mobo with an > AMD Thunderbird > @1400 mem maxed out at 1.5 gig SDRAM. (per mobo manual), > etc...if Alex wants > to troubleshoot it, it's his soon...could be anything, just > really odd. > Never seen these kinds of things before.? Have seen > similar when a HD was > loosing sectors tho...cheryl > > oh, I didn't mean to sound gruff or rude...just thrilled to > be moving on > after all this! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed Jun 3 23:23:53 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:23:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] FW: Not read: Tiered billing plans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cb556d10906032123k7190518ek2d4280e861beb65f@mail.gmail.com> Time Warner is still planning to go full speed ahead with their tiered billing plans. Just go to the Time Warner San Antonio website and take a look at the "consumption based billing" link o the bottom of the page. hidden...but on the front page so they can tell legislators that they put forth a good faith effort. Do not let down your guard. john On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that were wondering what happened to all those emails to TWC that > had suggestions about their tiered billing..notice the time difference > > I admit I was one that did voice an opinion against the idea, but not > trying > to reignite a flame war (or even a spark) you would think that they would > have done something without letting people know how long it took to do > nothing with the message (it wasn't that short) and most mailreader > programs > that I have seen would mark the message read when it shows up on screen for > even a few seconds. > > They might have been overwhelmed and just said "we don't want to see any > more negative" also. > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > > _____________________________________________ > From: RealIdeas [mailto:RealIdeas@twcable.com] > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:26 PM > To: Richard Suberg > Subject: Not read: Tiered billing plans > > > Your message > > To: RealIdeas > Subject: Tiered billing plans > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:12:23 -0400 > > was deleted without being read on Sat, 30 May 2009 01:25:35 -0400 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From president at satlug.org Thu Jun 4 08:26:42 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Thu Jun 4 08:26:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Does anyone have anything that they would like to do a presentation on for the meeting on the 10th? Jim From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 09:18:18 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:18:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the kernel and menuconfig. Anyone who has experience with this could step us thru the process. I could bring in a box for this purpose. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello all, > Does anyone have anything that they would like to do a presentation on for > the meeting on the 10th? > Jim From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 09:59:38 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:59:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I could possibly do a presentation on something pertaining to virtulaization...perhaps our custom VDI solution would be of interest to people? On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the > kernel and menuconfig. Anyone who has experience > with this could step us thru the process. I could bring > in a box for this purpose. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Jim Wells, President > wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does anyone have anything that they would like to do a presentation on > for > > the meeting on the 10th? > > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:23:47 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:23:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] welcome back and etc Message-ID: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Geoff! Hi Alex, I know it is puzzling you...what this thing is doing or not doing..but it acts like it "forgets" things. I have the print / font aize set in Firefox yet it doesn't remeber it from one website to the next. Emails are missing that were previously there on gmail, can't use yahoo mail at all because while the yahoo website where my inbox is, is set in a font I can see, when I open an email it becomes microscoptic and looks like tiny ants on the page, can't adjust screen resolution, it won't let me, won't let me run Synaptic, and the very first thing that alarmed me was it wouldn't load Hardy for you when Hardy had been on it since Hardy was released. It should have loaded Hardy...I suspected bad sectors on the HD or that it had failing sectors on it, but have no idea how to check that part out. I never suspected component or board breakdown. I did change the CMOS battery less than 2 years ago when it acted like it had memory loss before like with the time and date. The more I run it and do what I do with it, the more I notice things it will no longer do that it used to do. That's all Alex...I don't know what else to say..I know there were a few other things I'm noticing that I can't remember right now. On the surface, it does seem fine, until you want to change website font sizes, enlarge print, change screen resolution, run synaptic. My printer won't run in this version either for some reason. It won't let me install HPLIP and Hpoj. I can't help but still suspect the HD but have no way to chk it. YES, I do have A/C and have always had AC. It's Herb who doesn't. I couldn't live without it especially with all my medical problems. The heat would make everything I have much worse and could kill me. I keep it as cold as I can get it in here. It's frustrating to not be able to see...I love fooling with computers...the hardware anyway. While I was very advanced in Windoze, I'm a moron in Linux OS and software. Just so thankful you Alex and Herb have come to my rescue! Like you said, this new system will be AWESOME! It should last a long time I would think at least as long as mine is old now, 8-9 years or more. Maybe even longer than I will last who knows! Geoff, I'm curious, you mentioned a cap...do you still troubleshoot down to the component level? I know that was done way back when mobo's cost over $1000. You'd get a schematic and troubleshoot, but I didn't think anyone does that now that boards have come down so much in price...that's terribly labor intensive..just curious...cheryl From bkfuth at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 13:38:41 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:38:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906041138t7aa51a61hb90139fd30385e99@mail.gmail.com> Bring your box in...we can build a new kernel. While make and make modules is crunching away someone could do another presentation. Steve On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the > kernel and menuconfig. Anyone who has experience > with this could step us thru the process. I could bring > in a box for this purpose. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Jim Wells, President > wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does anyone have anything that they would like to do a presentation on > for > > the meeting on the 10th? > > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 14:41:18 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:41:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A28235E.5040004@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the > kernel and menuconfig. Anyone who has experience > with this could step us thru the process. I could bring > in a box for this purpose. I've recently written a hint on this: "Considerations when configuring the Linux kernel" http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/kernel-configuration.txt -- Bruce From tweeks at rackspace.com Thu Jun 4 18:22:12 2009 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (Tweeks) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:10:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <200906041822.12930.tweeks@rackspace.com> These M.D. grade leather pocket protectors are hard to find, but I have a source on them and am preparing to place another bulk order here soon: http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/Leather-Pocket-Protector_BigPromotions.com.png and come in the following colors: * Black * Burgundy Red * Navy Blue * Brown * Cheyenne Brown * Natural Beige * Suede Russet Brown * Basketball Leather Orange * Football Leather Brown I will be ordering these without any logo or embossing on them (otherwise min order is like 100 count). I usually get 3-4 of them for myself in various colors (to go with different clothes or as whim dictates). They also go great with Linux/FOSS lapel pins and small stickers: https://usshop.ubuntu.com/product.php?code=09 93109&catid=2 http://www.scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html https://support.creativecommons.org/store/pin http://www.flickr.com/photos/laihiu/2094632835/ But before I place my order.. I need to get a count and desired colors from those serious about ordering them. I don't have an exact price yet.. but last time I got them, they were between $6-7 each IIRC. Contact me off list. Tweeks From bkfuth at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 21:20:10 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:20:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: <4A28235E.5040004@gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A28235E.5040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906041920r3017e602r331b8a544c3c6223@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > >> Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the >> kernel and menuconfig. Anyone who has experience >> with this could step us thru the process. I could bring >> in a box for this purpose. >> > > I've recently written a hint on this: > > "Considerations when configuring the Linux kernel" > > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/kernel-configuration.txt > > -- Bruce > Bruce, As usual, very nice. I am interested in the reason behind the MIT license on a Linux document. Howard, What distro of Linux are you using? Is it Debian based? Steve From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 21:57:46 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:57:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Unix: Happy 40th birthday Message-ID: Computerworld has an interesting history on how Unix got its start in 1969 and then developed. http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5193143/8699931/195043/0/ HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:03:15 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:03:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0906041920r3017e602r331b8a544c3c6223@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A28235E.5040004@gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0906041920r3017e602r331b8a544c3c6223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, steve kolars wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Howard Haradon wrote: >> >>> Hi, I am currently struggling with compiling the >>> kernel and menuconfig. ?Anyone who has experience >>> with this could step us thru the process. ?I could bring >>> in a box for this purpose. >>> >> >> I've recently written a hint on this: >> >> "Considerations when configuring the Linux kernel" >> >> >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/kernel-configuration.txt >> >> ?-- Bruce >> > Bruce, > > As usual, very nice. ?I am interested in the reason behind the MIT license > on a Linux document. > > Howard, > > What distro of Linux are you using? ?Is it Debian based? > > Steve > -- Steve, I am installing Gentoo in one of my partitions, but it looks like the PATA drivers were somehow not included in the kernel. I will bring my box and the Gentoo install CD and we can chroot over to the new partition and restart with make menuconfig. Howard From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jun 4 22:54:04 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:54:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] welcome back and etc In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2896DC.2020704@lookcee.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Thanks Geoff! > > Hi Alex, > > I know it is puzzling you...what this thing is doing or not doing..but it > acts like it "forgets" things. I have the print / font aize set in Firefox > yet it doesn't remeber it from one website to the next. Emails are missing > that were previously there on gmail, can't use yahoo mail at all because > while the yahoo website where my inbox is, is set in a font I can see, when > I open an email it becomes microscoptic and looks like tiny ants on the > page, can't adjust screen resolution, it won't let me, won't let me run > Synaptic, and the very first thing that alarmed me was it wouldn't load > Hardy for you when Hardy had been on it since Hardy was released. It should > have loaded Hardy...I suspected bad sectors on the HD or that it had failing > sectors on it, but have no idea how to check that part out. I never > suspected component or board breakdown. > > I did change the CMOS battery less than 2 years ago when it acted like it > had memory loss before like with the time and date. > > The more I run it and do what I do with it, the more I notice things it will > no longer do that it used to do. That's all Alex...I don't know what else > to say..I know there were a few other things I'm noticing that I can't > remember right now. On the surface, it does seem fine, until you want to > change website font sizes, enlarge print, change screen resolution, run > synaptic. My printer won't run in this version either for some reason. It > won't let me install HPLIP and Hpoj. > > I can't help but still suspect the HD but have no way to chk it. > > YES, I do have A/C and have always had AC. It's Herb who doesn't. I > couldn't live without it especially with all my medical problems. The heat > would make everything I have much worse and could kill me. I keep it as > cold as I can get it in here. > > It's frustrating to not be able to see...I love fooling with computers...the > hardware anyway. While I was very advanced in Windoze, I'm a moron in Linux > OS and software. Just so thankful you Alex and Herb have come to my > rescue! Like you said, this new system will be AWESOME! It should last a > long time I would think at least as long as mine is old now, 8-9 years or > more. Maybe even longer than I will last who knows! > > Geoff, I'm curious, you mentioned a cap...do you still troubleshoot down to > the component level? I know that was done way back when mobo's cost over > $1000. You'd get a schematic and troubleshoot, but I didn't think anyone > does that now that boards have come down so much in price...that's terribly > labor intensive..just curious...cheryl > Cheryl have you tried setting in firefox ..Edit/preferances/tab-content/Font&colors-advanced/ and uncheck the box that says 'allow blah blah to set fonts .... Then setting your fonts and sizes will lock it in mostly. I have found that some pages override this but not sure how. herb From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jun 4 23:03:00 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:03:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT Unix: Happy 40th birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2898F4.8090500@lookcee.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Computerworld has an interesting history on how Unix got > its start in 1969 and then developed. > > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/5193143/8699931/195043/0/ > > HH > Thanks big, I remember those early days, Many people do not know that this triggered IBM to fully switch to Hex over Octal. Very cool history summery herb aka hh From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 23:16:14 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:16:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] June Meeting on the 10th In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0906041920r3017e602r331b8a544c3c6223@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906040626n128b5767y156eca44ae177fc9@mail.gmail.com> <4A28235E.5040004@gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0906041920r3017e602r331b8a544c3c6223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A289C0E.6080005@gmail.com> steve kolars wrote: > I am interested in the reason behind the MIT license > on a Linux document. What license would you use? The Documentation GPL has too many restrictions for this type of thing. You have to include the whole license and it is longer than what I wrote. -- Bruce From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Jun 5 00:16:26 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:16:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Tweeks wrote: > From: Tweeks > Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors > To: satlug@satlug.org, xcssa@xcssa.org > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:22 PM > These M.D. grade leather pocket > protectors are hard to find, but I have a > source on them and am preparing to place another bulk order > here soon: > ???http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/Leather-Pocket-Protector_BigPromotions.com.png > > > Tweeks I thought this was a joke at first... -Alex From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jun 5 00:47:00 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:47:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A28B154.5050504@lookcee.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Tweeks wrote: > > >> From: Tweeks >> Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors >> To: satlug@satlug.org, xcssa@xcssa.org >> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:22 PM >> These M.D. grade leather pocket >> protectors are hard to find, but I have a >> source on them and am preparing to place another bulk order >> here soon: >> http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/Leather-Pocket-Protector_BigPromotions.com.png >> >> > > > >> Tweeks >> > > > I thought this was a joke at first... > > -Alex > HEHEHEHEH, me too Alex but hell how cool is this for a badge of Geekdom. I actually made one when I used to carry a folded pocket K&E sliderule. I used Vellum, now called 'skivers' that are shaved off the outer surface of sheep hide to make Chamois, I think I still have some. It is flat ass durable since I have held in my hands a page from Deuteronomy recovered from the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' written on Vellum, LOL. herb > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 00:52:47 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:52:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] oddball computer of mine Message-ID: <7e4994a70906042252t7fd52e24y9b0d778c08ece510@mail.gmail.com> Yep, did that Herb, the first day I had it back! :o( So thrilled the new parts will arrive tomorrow! Thank you again so much Herb! And thank you so much Alex! cheryl Cheryl have you tried setting in firefox ..Edit/preferances/tab-content/Font&colors-advanced/ and uncheck the box that says 'allow blah blah to set fonts .... Then setting your fonts and sizes will lock it in mostly. I have found that some pages override this but not sure how. herb -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 5 01:18:26 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Fri Jun 5 01:18:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <775562.26267.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I thought this was a joke at first... It just blows the concept of Linux not being just for nerds right out of the water. :D From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 11:27:14 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jun 5 11:27:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Tweeks wrote: > >> From: Tweeks >> Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors >> To: satlug@satlug.org, xcssa@xcssa.org >> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:22 PM >> These M.D. grade leather pocket >> protectors are hard to find, but I have a >> source on them and am preparing to place another bulk order >> here soon: >> ???http://theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/Leather-Pocket-Protector_BigPromotions.com.png >> > > >> >> Tweeks > > > I thought this was a joke at first... > > -Alex Why leather ?? Only the vinyl ones are authentic ! HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From afcasta at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 5 15:26:29 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:26:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1244233589.23066.6.camel@satx.rr.com> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 11:27 -0500, Howard Haradon wrote: [concerning leather pocket protectors] > > Why leather ?? Only the vinyl ones are authentic ! > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA Al Castanoli Sr. was wearing a leather pocket protector when he graduated with an engineering degree from Alabama Polytechnic Institute in 1913. I still have it and it seems pretty authentic to me. I was wearing it at the same school (now called Auburn U.) when I changed my major from architecture to computer science in 1980. My father was wearing it when he graduated in 1957. This pocket protector is older than the Air Force and got three generations through the same engineering department. Al Castanoli III From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 5 17:23:56 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:23:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] welcome back and etc In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A299AFC.2090706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Thanks Geoff! Cheryl - lots of us on the list here read each message in it's own thread. Threaded messages rely on the subject line and a few other items in the mail headers. Everytime you reply, and change the subject (by starting a new message) it breaks message threads. I'm guessing you get your mail in digest form. Might I suggest you get each message as it comes in then go through it on a normal mailing run, or something else that's scheduled? Since you get mail more than once a day, you might as well have each message delivered individually. Just go through and check once in the morning, and once in the evening. Just a suggestion, but by doing that, you'd help out the thread-readers. -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 5 17:33:49 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:33:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] welcome back and etc In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906040923q1244b39csd3fcab5c8edbe2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A299D4D.7060901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Thanks Geoff! > > > Geoff, I'm curious, you mentioned a cap...do you still troubleshoot down to > the component level? I know that was done way back when mobo's cost over > $1000. You'd get a schematic and troubleshoot, but I didn't think anyone > does that now that boards have come down so much in price...that's terribly > labor intensive..just curious...cheryl > The capacitors on a mother board are easy to see, if the pop... they 'poof' up at the point. mostly, the capacitors that have 3 points on them, and they're raised up a bit where the points come together at the top. That's not a normal shape for a capacitor. These capacitors are being used as filters at a -much- higher frequency than what capacitors are used to. A 3300uf (micro-farad) @ 15vdc cap just can't handle extended periods in the UHF range. They 'poof'. Grab some replacements, find the ones that are bad, twist 'em off with a pair of pliers (*AFTER* you note polarity) leaving two little stubby legs sticking up, and solder some new caps, perhaps at a slightly higher voltage rating, and continue life. a couple of bucks is cheaper than a couple of $100 for a new mb, cpu ram, etc... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From bkfuth at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:10:15 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:10:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <1244233589.23066.6.camel@satx.rr.com> References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1244233589.23066.6.camel@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906051610i7710bc13v62b34384efda6ebd@mail.gmail.com> > > Al Castanoli Sr. was wearing a leather pocket protector when he > graduated with an engineering degree from Alabama Polytechnic Institute > in 1913. I still have it and it seems pretty authentic to me. I was > wearing it at the same school (now called Auburn U.) when I changed my > major from architecture to computer science in 1980. My father was > wearing it when he graduated in 1957. This pocket protector is older > than the Air Force and got three generations through the same > engineering department. > > Al Castanoli III > Now that is cool! Steve From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Fri Jun 5 18:22:03 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:22:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0906051610i7710bc13v62b34384efda6ebd@mail.gmail.com> References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <1244233589.23066.6.camel@satx.rr.com> <9b6ae23d0906051610i7710bc13v62b34384efda6ebd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A29A89B.5010002@suddenlink.net> steve kolars wrote: > > >> Al Castanoli Sr. was wearing a leather pocket protector when he >> graduated with an engineering degree from Alabama Polytechnic Institute >> in 1913. I still have it and it seems pretty authentic to me. I was >> wearing it at the same school (now called Auburn U.) when I changed my >> major from architecture to computer science in 1980. My father was >> wearing it when he graduated in 1957. This pocket protector is older >> than the Air Force and got three generations through the same >> engineering department. >> >> Al Castanoli III >> > > > Now that is cool! > > Steve > There is a need to hold on to traditions in a family or any group, for that matter. I still have my great-grandmother's welding gauntlets. Peace, Dennis From cdv7 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 5 18:30:41 2009 From: cdv7 at sbcglobal.net (cdv7@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:30:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. Message-ID: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> Charles Hogan wrote: > 1. When I worked as tech support for a dial-up ISP back in the late > 90's, 2 of the biggest problems we had with connections were incorrect > line polarity and poor line quality. For the polarity issues, I > carried a line tester and would correct the issue at the jack if it > were present, (some modems are/were sensitive to phone line polarity, > this was my first, and often times only, corrective action). Altex > has a couple of line testers*, both under $10.00. > > As for line quality, well, that can run the gambit. I remember 1 > customer that couldn't connect no matter what. I plugged a phone into > the jack they were using for the computer, and could barely hear the > dial tone over the static on the line. Customer's reasoning, "We use > that jack for the computer because we can't hear who we are talking to > if we use it for the phone", sometimes you just want to slap the > stupidity out of people. Plugged them into a different jack in the > house, and surprise surprise, no problems connecting or staying > connected. No surprise that they didn't like my pricing for running > new wire to the jack, so fortunately, they were left to their own > devices on figuring that one out. We had another customer with line > quality issues, no static, but a bad line, where someone digging had > cut through the phone lines, and the splice putting them back together > was done poorly. That was a telco issue somewhere up the line on > their side of the demarc. > > If you are unable to connect, and suspect line quality issues, try > plugging straight into the demarc if you can, and see if you can get a > connection from there. If so, you will probably want to run a new > line from the demarc to wherever you are plugging the computer to the > phone jack. I doubt that there will be any issues with that if you > are able to currently get DSL through the line. > > 2. Can't help with that one, as I am a Fedora user. I am sure that > someone else here can help with that. > > 3. It would be helpful to know what e-mail client you are using. > > *line testers at Altex: > http://www.altex.com/Triplett-Line-Bug-4-Phone-LAN-Line-Tester-9615-P145000.aspx > > http://www.altex.com/Telephone-Line-Tester-75-4650-P143540.aspx > > Hope this was of some help. I'm off to my new weekly habit of drinks > and jazz at The Landing. > > Charlie > > cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Greetings, >> Before I attempt to switch from DSL to Dial Up I need to know several >> things: >> >> 1. When I first tried to connect to the Internet in 2005 (I had >> Windows then) I tried several Dial Up ISP's but could never make a >> connection. I was told the wiring is too old. (My house was built >> pre- 1950's but was remodeled during the 1980's , some of the wiring >> was changed then.) How should I address this possible problem? I hope >> its resolution will not be prohibitively expensive. >> >> 2. It has been recommended that I first update to the newest version >> of Ubuntu but I am unclear about the recent crash of Ms. Holmes. I am >> concerned I may have a similar experience, as I would not know how to >> avoid it. >> >> 3. I need to know how to transfer all my e-mail -not just my Inbox >> but my Drafts and Sent boxes too. (I ran into this problem when I >> transfered from Suse to Ubuntu.) I transfered the contents of my >> desktop by putting them on a flash drive. However, some of the e-mail >> (such as the Drafts Box) was transferred one message at a time. >> Please tell me if there is a more efficient way to do this. >> >> Also,if there are other important things I need to know before I make >> the switch, please let me know. >> Thank you very much for your assistance. >> ~ cdv >> >> >> Greetings Mr. Hogan, Thank you for the useful information. I assume the line tester at Lowe's will do just as well as the one from Altex? (Please bear with me, as I have no experience in this area.) I took this opportunity to test all my jacks - which I know of. The results of the test: Interior Jack #1 (The oldest jack, it came with the house. Only one phone is plugged into it.) - Red Light. Line reversed. Interior Jack#2 ( Installed in 2005. My computer and one other phone are plugged into this jack.) - Amber Light. AC voltage present. Exterior Jack (In the gray Telephone Network Interface box.) - No light. Dead Line. I found the following instructions on the web. Let me know if this applies to my situation. It seems to be applicable to the interior jacks but I am uncertain about the exterior one. ?Since you have a polarity tester, simply reverse the two wires at each box showing reverse polarity. It sounds like you just split off at some point and attached the B & Y to a R & G, right?? ?Yes.? ?Simply remove the box cover or anywhere along the line, and interchange the two wires connected. Black will go where Yellow was and Yellow will go where Black was. Same with the Red & Green.? Also, I was told by a person from Lowe's that sometimes a DSL filter can disrupt the phone line. Both interior jacks have a 2Wire DSL Filter but of course, these were not in place in when I first attempted Dial up. To answer the question from your last e-mail: The e-mail client I am currently using is Thunderbird. Also, what is your opinion of web based e-mail or G-Mail? From the website: http://howto-ubuntu.com/2008/03/03/how-to-dial-up-internet-on-ubuntu-with-gnome-ppp/ This site recommends Opera as the best choice for a dial up browser. Opinion? Again, my thanks. ~cdv Note: This is a resend. I responded to your message on May 31^st and then again on June 2nd but I received failure notices for both. Based on the notices of 6-2-'09 I am hoping the problem has now been cleared up. Please respond if you are able to receive my message. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Jun 5 19:16:55 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Jun 5 19:25:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> Reversed polarity and AC voltage present could potentially cause problems. The first being far easier to correct than the second. As for DSL filters messing with the phones, well, those came about 2 to 3 years after I quit working tech support for an ISP. Phone line polarity testers are all about the same, I didn't even think of Lowes when I mentioned them. All you need to do to correct the polarity issue is to switch the position of the red/green pair, put the red where the green was and vice-versa, (assuming that red and green are connected to the center 2 conductors in the jack). The yellow/black pair is for when you have 2 separate lines connected to one jack. If I could, I would run new copper to the jack that has the AC voltage present, especially since that is the jack for the modem, and try keeping it away from any little nasties like flourescent lighting. The line could be picking up AC through induction by being too close to a transformer or some other silly hard to pinpoint thing. It's been years since I've done anything inside of a demarc, but if I recall correctly, they have several jacks, each used for a separate phone line/number. As for your e-mail, you should be able to look into the account settings in Thunderbird, and get the directories where your mail is being stored locally. Back-up the entire directory, and pop it into place in the new install, everything should work ok if you continue using thunderbird. I'm not big on browser based e-mail, I've been using thunderbird/mozilla since before I started using linux, which was when XP came out. Charlie cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Charles Hogan wrote: >> 1. When I worked as tech support for a dial-up ISP back in the late >> 90's, 2 of the biggest problems we had with connections were incorrect >> line polarity and poor line quality. For the polarity issues, I >> carried a line tester and would correct the issue at the jack if it >> were present, (some modems are/were sensitive to phone line polarity, >> this was my first, and often times only, corrective action). Altex >> has a couple of line testers*, both under $10.00. >> >> As for line quality, well, that can run the gambit. I remember 1 >> customer that couldn't connect no matter what. I plugged a phone into >> the jack they were using for the computer, and could barely hear the >> dial tone over the static on the line. Customer's reasoning, "We use >> that jack for the computer because we can't hear who we are talking to >> if we use it for the phone", sometimes you just want to slap the >> stupidity out of people. Plugged them into a different jack in the >> house, and surprise surprise, no problems connecting or staying >> connected. No surprise that they didn't like my pricing for running >> new wire to the jack, so fortunately, they were left to their own >> devices on figuring that one out. We had another customer with line >> quality issues, no static, but a bad line, where someone digging had >> cut through the phone lines, and the splice putting them back together >> was done poorly. That was a telco issue somewhere up the line on >> their side of the demarc. >> >> If you are unable to connect, and suspect line quality issues, try >> plugging straight into the demarc if you can, and see if you can get a >> connection from there. If so, you will probably want to run a new >> line from the demarc to wherever you are plugging the computer to the >> phone jack. I doubt that there will be any issues with that if you >> are able to currently get DSL through the line. >> >> 2. Can't help with that one, as I am a Fedora user. I am sure that >> someone else here can help with that. >> >> 3. It would be helpful to know what e-mail client you are using. >> >> *line testers at Altex: >> http://www.altex.com/Triplett-Line-Bug-4-Phone-LAN-Line-Tester-9615-P145000.aspx >> >> http://www.altex.com/Telephone-Line-Tester-75-4650-P143540.aspx >> >> Hope this was of some help. I'm off to my new weekly habit of drinks >> and jazz at The Landing. >> >> Charlie >> >> cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> Before I attempt to switch from DSL to Dial Up I need to know several >>> things: >>> >>> 1. When I first tried to connect to the Internet in 2005 (I had >>> Windows then) I tried several Dial Up ISP's but could never make a >>> connection. I was told the wiring is too old. (My house was built >>> pre- 1950's but was remodeled during the 1980's , some of the wiring >>> was changed then.) How should I address this possible problem? I hope >>> its resolution will not be prohibitively expensive. >>> >>> 2. It has been recommended that I first update to the newest version >>> of Ubuntu but I am unclear about the recent crash of Ms. Holmes. I am >>> concerned I may have a similar experience, as I would not know how to >>> avoid it. >>> >>> 3. I need to know how to transfer all my e-mail -not just my Inbox >>> but my Drafts and Sent boxes too. (I ran into this problem when I >>> transfered from Suse to Ubuntu.) I transfered the contents of my >>> desktop by putting them on a flash drive. However, some of the e-mail >>> (such as the Drafts Box) was transferred one message at a time. >>> Please tell me if there is a more efficient way to do this. >>> >>> Also,if there are other important things I need to know before I make >>> the switch, please let me know. >>> Thank you very much for your assistance. >>> ~ cdv >>> >>> >>> > Greetings Mr. Hogan, > Thank you for the useful information. I assume the line tester at Lowe's > will do just as well as the one from Altex? (Please bear with me, as I > have no experience in this area.) I took this opportunity to test all my > jacks - which I know of. > > The results of the test: > > Interior Jack #1 > (The oldest jack, it came with the house. Only one phone is plugged into > it.) - Red Light. Line reversed. > > Interior Jack#2 > ( Installed in 2005. My computer and one other phone are plugged into > this jack.) - Amber Light. AC voltage present. > > Exterior Jack > (In the gray Telephone Network Interface box.) - No light. Dead Line. > > I found the following instructions on the web. Let me know if this > applies to my situation. It seems to be applicable to the interior jacks > but I am uncertain about the exterior one. > > ?Since you have a polarity tester, simply reverse the two wires at each > box showing reverse polarity. It sounds like you just split off at some > point and attached the B & Y to a R & G, right?? > > ?Yes.? > > ?Simply remove the box > cover or anywhere along the line, and interchange the two wires > connected. Black will go where Yellow was and Yellow will go where > Black was. Same with the Red & Green.? > > > Also, I was told by a person from Lowe's that sometimes a DSL filter can > disrupt the phone line. Both interior jacks have a 2Wire DSL Filter but > of course, these were not in place in when I first attempted Dial up. > > To answer the question from your last e-mail: > The e-mail client I am currently using is Thunderbird. > Also, what is your opinion of web based e-mail or G-Mail? From the > website: > http://howto-ubuntu.com/2008/03/03/how-to-dial-up-internet-on-ubuntu-with-gnome-ppp/ > > This site recommends Opera as the best choice for a dial up browser. > Opinion? > Again, my thanks. > ~cdv > > Note: > This is a resend. I responded to your message on May 31^st and then > again on June 2nd but I received failure notices for both. Based on the > notices of 6-2-'09 I am hoping the problem has now been cleared up. > Please respond if you are able to receive my message. > > From satlug at net153.net Fri Jun 5 19:56:43 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Jun 5 19:56:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A29BECB.6000901@net153.net> Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. > > I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be > going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who > wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything > sorted out, I will let everybody know. > > If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can > make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can > that evening. > > I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is > the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time > like I would on my lunch hour. > > If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after the > meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. > > Jim Wells Jim, I will not be at this meeting but I will be at the next one on July 9th Sam From dvprogs at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 22:01:37 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Fri Jun 5 22:01:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: Dead Sea Scrolls coming to North America/ MythTV Message-ID: <7f9598380906052001l4bd93bbi67359c2a1001ebec@mail.gmail.com> There's going to be a Dead Sea Scroll's exhibit starting June 27th. I look forward to attending, if I can fit it into my schedule. http://on3.rtrk.ca "... the ROM will be exhibiting at least 17 Dead Sea Scrolls, of which four are on public display for the first time ever..." I've installed MythTV on my Ubuntu 9.04 machine, with an Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) chipset, but when I click on "Watch tv," the program doesn't do anything... if I can try it and if I like it, I might upgrade to an actual video card that has more capabilities. Daniel Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:47:00 -0500 > From: Herb Cee > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket > protectors > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > >> These M.D. grade leather pocket protectors are hard to find, but I have > a source on them and am preparing to place another bulk order here soon: > > > > HEHEHEHEH, me too Alex but hell how cool is this for a badge of Geekdom. > I actually made one when I used to carry a folded pocket K&E sliderule. > I used Vellum, now called 'skivers' that are shaved off the outer > surface of sheep hide to make Chamois, I think I still have some. It is > flat ass durable since I have held in my hands a page from Deuteronomy > recovered from the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' written on Vellum, LOL. > herb > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 01:06:26 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Jun 6 01:06:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <7e4994a70906052306g5b04ec8dp49346fdddf45be24@mail.gmail.com> hahahahaha Alex and Herb! It made me think of that poster that was popular in the 80's with the geekster and what made him a geek..LOL When my husband was alive, I teased him abt his..he was a EE! Then when the side of his glasses broke one day and we had to tape it on til we could get it fixed, it really reminded me of the poster! LOL Thanks for the chuckles guys! I chuckle with very fond memories! If yu're going to have a pocket protector, why not leather> I'd say that's really COOL! cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sat Jun 6 07:42:28 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sat Jun 6 07:42:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906052306g5b04ec8dp49346fdddf45be24@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906052306g5b04ec8dp49346fdddf45be24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cheryl: I know this has been asked of you in the past but I'll ask again. For the sake and convenience of the readers that utilize the threaded view can you please not change the subject when replying to messages. When doing this you are effectively starting a new thread with each of your replies which results in multiple forks of the same conversation. I sure would appreciate it! On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > hahahahaha Alex and Herb! > > It made me think of that poster that was popular in the 80's with the > geekster and what made him a geek..LOL > > When my husband was alive, I teased him abt his..he was a EE! Then when > the > side of his glasses broke one day and we had to tape it on til we could get > it fixed, it really reminded me of the poster! LOL Thanks for the > chuckles > guys! I chuckle with very fond memories! > > If yu're going to have a pocket protector, why not leather> I'd say that's > really COOL! cheryl > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 12:19:55 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Jun 6 12:19:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <7e4994a70906061019l61f74a69w82f54058f1d497e6@mail.gmail.com> Travis, I didn't change the subject. I responded to Alex and Herb, same subject exactly. In fact, I copied and pasted the subject. Are you really asking me to leave the group? cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jennifervg at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 13:28:51 2009 From: jennifervg at yahoo.com (Jennifer Van Gorkom) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:28:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Message-ID: <534480.95747.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Cheryl Unfortunately Cheryl you are running into the single most aggravating issue I see on this list. The absolute fanaticism that some of the members who use threaded news readers to read emails over how new emails are created. By receiving your email in digest form each individual email loses its identifying information that the threaded readers use to organize the emails. This means that when you create a new email like you do it shows up as its own thread and not in place with the rest of them. At times when I am feeling most militant about this I have a tendency to pick dead threads to reply to and change all the visible information just to make the email appear in an odd place in their threaded reader. If the group is this nuts about having everything in a thread, then they should do away with the ability to receive the emails in digest form and understand that they will lose some readers when they do so. Jennifer --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > From: Cheryl Holmes > Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 12:19 PM > Travis, I didn't change the > subject. I responded to Alex and Herb, same > subject exactly. In fact, I copied and pasted the > subject. > > Are you really asking me to leave the group? cheryl > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as > precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship > of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, > Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 14:13:10 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Jun 6 14:13:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I change to individual emails from diges Message-ID: <7e4994a70906061213w26c0b23du8b36342622d41272@mail.gmail.com> I tried doing it on the website but it kept not authenticating me. thanks c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 15:03:31 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:03:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style Message-ID: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> Original Subject Line: Re: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote: > > Unfortunately Cheryl you are running into the single most > aggravating issue I see on this list. The absolute fanaticism that some of > > the members who use threaded news readers to read emails over how new emails > are created. By receiving your email in digest form each individual email > loses its identifying information that the threaded readers use to organize > the emails. This means that when you create a new email like you do it shows > up as its own thread and not in place with the rest of them. > > At times when I am feeling most militant about this I have a tendency to pick > dead threads to reply to and change all the visible information just to make > the mail appear in an odd place in their threaded reader. > > If the group is this nuts about having everything in a thread, then they > should do away with the ability to receive the emails in digest form and > understand that they will lose some readers when they do so. What is *really* irritating is those that *don't* compose a new message for a new topic. What does this post have to do with pocket protectors? It's also somewhat irritating to have people top post. See: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style for a discussion on posting styles. -- Bruce From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jun 6 15:10:35 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:18:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2ACD3B.9080108@futuretechsolutions.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Original Subject Line: Re: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather > pocket protectors > > Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote: >> >> Unfortunately Cheryl you are running into the single most aggravating >> issue I see on this list. The absolute fanaticism that some of > >> the members who use threaded news readers to read emails over how new >> emails >> are created. By receiving your email in digest form each individual >> email >> loses its identifying information that the threaded readers use to >> organize >> the emails. This means that when you create a new email like you do it >> shows >> up as its own thread and not in place with the rest of them. >> >> At times when I am feeling most militant about this I have a tendency >> to pick >> dead threads to reply to and change all the visible information just >> to make >> the mail appear in an odd place in their threaded reader. >> >> If the group is this nuts about having everything in a thread, then >> they should do away with the ability to receive the emails in digest >> form and understand that they will lose some readers when they do so. > > What is *really* irritating is those that *don't* compose a new message > for a new topic. What does this post have to do with pocket protectors? > > It's also somewhat irritating to have people top post. See: > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style for a discussion on > posting styles. > > -- Bruce Oh please, let's not start in on that again. If I recall correctly, it took about a month or so to cool off last time the top/bottom posting thing came up. From ftm at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 6 15:22:21 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:23:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> Well, I top post - and that makes you read what I have to say rather than re-read the old mail that went before - so that is the way it is ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dubbs" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style > It's also somewhat irritating to have people top post. See: > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style for a discussion on posting > styles. > > -- Bruce From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 6 15:35:37 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:35:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> Message-ID: <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Sugar wrote: > Well, I top post - and that makes you read what I have to say rather > than re-read the old mail that went before - so that is the way it is So, /Sugar/, what you are saying is, you don't mind being wrong. That's fine. If that's the way it is, then that's the way it will be. Have fun being wrong. -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ftm at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 6 15:47:01 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:48:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com><689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Following the link on one of your prior posts, seems to disagree with your preference. and especially for those who access mail via Microsoft applications, gmail, or using their mobile devices. Oops, my little secret is out. So we will have to agree to disagree here - cheers we still love ya. Doug > > Have fun being wrong. > > -Geoff > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jun 6 15:54:37 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:54:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com><689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A2AD78D.3090505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Sugar wrote: > Following the link on one of your prior posts, seems to disagree with > your preference. and especially for those who access mail via > Microsoft applications, gmail, or using their mobile devices. Oops, > my little secret is out. > So we will have to agree to disagree here - cheers we still love ya. > Doug what -are- you blathering about? This is Thunderbird Email client, running in KDE under SuSE Linux 10.3. What -link- are you referring to? The footer that's at the bottom of -all- SATLUG posts? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 16:35:58 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Sat Jun 6 16:36:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. Message-ID: <885857.66230.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Travis Runty wrote: > I know this has been asked of you in the past but I'll ask > again. For the sake and convenience of the readers that utilize the > threaded view can you please not change the subject when replying to Having a look here might help. It's about USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php Cheryl, Here's the section that explains why proper threading is good and why thread hijacking isn't. It does make sense. http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#threading Travis, I also suggest that you read this section in the article about top posting and why that's not good either and how inline posting just makes sense. http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#toppost I'm not even going to go into CC, BCC or forwarding. Bill From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 6 16:56:46 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Jun 6 16:56:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... Message-ID: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> Ok, I just had to reload the OS (SuSE 11.1) after doing some hardware troubleshooting, and was going through different settings to try & get things back to the way they used to be before my hardware problems showed up. So I was looking in "Desktop Effects" (which appears to be their description for Compiz) and turned it on when I shouldn't have (it even warned me, but I said "Yes" anyway - DUMMY!). Now, whenever I login under my regular user account (even failsafe mode), all I get is a completely white screen with nothing else visible. How do disable this and get my desktop back? It doesn't affect Root (I checked), so I know it's a user-related setting, but I don't know where to look or what to change. I also know I could just delete my user account and re-create it, but I figure that's the coward's way out. TIA. Al Lesmerises From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Jun 6 17:10:41 2009 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:10:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> References: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Ok, I just had to reload the OS (SuSE 11.1) after doing some hardware > troubleshooting, and was going through different settings to try & get > things back to the way they used to be before my hardware problems > showed up. > > So I was looking in "Desktop Effects" (which appears to be their > description for Compiz) and turned it on when I shouldn't have (it > even warned me, but I said "Yes" anyway - DUMMY!). Now, whenever I > login under my regular user account (even failsafe mode), all I get is > a completely white screen with nothing else visible. How do disable > this and get my desktop back? > > It doesn't affect Root (I checked), so I know it's a user-related > setting, but I don't know where to look or what to change. I also > know I could just delete my user account and re-create it, but I > figure that's the coward's way out. > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > This is an example of why you should always come up in run level 3. Log in as root: - vi /etc/inittab - replace the 5 with a 3 on the runlevel line - :wq Which desktop are you using (probably KDE or Gnome)? This will tell us which file you need to edit. I would have to look it up. Does anyone know off the top of their head? If no one has answered by Monday I will look it up at work. All I have at home this weekend is my Mac. Steve From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 17:35:42 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:35:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <689D4E3B55DF4A0CB2B0D34259A36427@control> Message-ID: <4A2AEF3E.5030906@gmail.com> Sugar wrote: > Well, I top post - and that makes you read what I have to say rather > than re-read the old mail that went before - so that is the way it is If you choose to be rude and disregard a request from the site admin, then you only look small, lazy, and selfish to others. Note that along with not top posting, the sender should also trim the posts to the specific points that are being addressed. I agree that readers should not have to wade through tons of irrelevant quoted text. It is the responsibility of the poster to make their posts readable. If they don't, the messages will not have their intended effect. It you absolutely have to top post, I'd prefer you just delete the entire message before posting. Then you can top and bottom post at the same time. Context can still be maintained via prior posts. -- Bruce From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jun 6 17:28:53 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:37:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. In-Reply-To: <4A2AEE25.1020408@comcast.net> References: <885857.66230.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A2AEE25.1020408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A2AEDA5.7020702@futuretechsolutions.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > That clown again.... wrote: >> Having a look here might help. It's about USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. >> >> http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php >> >> >> Cheryl, >> Here's the section that explains why proper threading is good and why thread hijacking isn't. It does make sense. >> >> http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#threading >> >> >> > > Upon reading the above, (OK, I only skimmed over it) I didn't see where > it addressed the issue Cheryl is having. If she gets the digest and > responds, how is she to have any control over the threading? I could be > wrong (it does happen on rare occasions), but I don't think she can > control that. I am sure that there is more than one reader out there > that will correct me if this isn't the case. Anyone . . . ? > > Perhaps someone who is familiar with the mailing list software can provide instruction on how one retrieves their password and then changes their preferences. That would be much more useful than this stupid little rant session that has ensued. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jun 6 18:08:21 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:08:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <534480.95747.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <534480.95747.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906061808.21425.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 06 June 2009 01:28:51 pm Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote: [...] > If the group is this nuts about having everything in a thread, then they > should do away with the ability to receive the emails in digest form and > understand that they will lose some readers when they do so. Hijacking a thread also messes up the group mail list archives: http://www.satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/2009-June/thread.html Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 18:12:06 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:12:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. In-Reply-To: <4A2AF580.4040102@comcast.net> References: <885857.66230.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A2AEE25.1020408@comcast.net> <4A2AEDA5.7020702@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A2AF580.4040102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A2AF7C6.1060507@gmail.com> Ian L. Target wrote: >> Perhaps someone who is familiar with the mailing list software can >> provide instruction on how one retrieves their password and then >> changes their preferences. That would be much more useful than this >> stupid little rant session that has ensued. If you go to the page at the bottom of each email, http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug you should be able to put in your email address next to the button "Unsubscribe or edit options". When you go to that page, there is an option to mail you your password. Also, if you haven't deleted it, there are reminder messages sent the first of every month with your email address there. > Are you saying subscribers who opt for the digest as opposed to > individual posts shouldn't be able to post to the list? No, that's not reasonable. There really isn't a way for a digest user to thread a reply so we will have to live with that. -- Bruce From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jun 6 18:16:20 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:16:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocket protectors In-Reply-To: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <257408.30346.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906061816.20299.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 05 June 2009 12:16:26 am Alex Bartonek wrote: [...] > I thought this was a joke at first... Evidently, several people did. But when I oder these M.D. quality PPs, I always find several people who want to to quietly go in with me. And I have no pride.. so I don't care taking the jabs. ;) Just today I got a threat from my wife for not wearing my leather PP (my pens have trashed several shirts over the years). But beyond pens.. they also have "modern geek" applications. They're also a great way to carry your thumb drives and bootable media so that you DON'T forget them in your jeans pockets, etc. Tell me.. how many of you have had a thumb drive go through the wash? Well.. I for one simply can't afford to have that happen with the kind of data I store on them (ssh & GPG keys, etc). Anyway.. if anyone here IS seriously interested in getting one one or more.. please flag me off list (if you don't want to be chastised.. ;). Don't forget to include info on the qty and color. see here: http://www.satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/2009-June/060324.html Tweeks From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sat Jun 6 18:31:46 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:40:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquette. In-Reply-To: <4A2AF580.4040102@comcast.net> References: <885857.66230.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A2AEE25.1020408@comcast.net> <4A2AEDA5.7020702@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A2AF580.4040102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A2AFC62.1070308@futuretechsolutions.com> Ian L. Target wrote: > Charles Hogan wrote: >> Ian L. Target wrote: >>> That clown again.... wrote: >>>> Having a look here might help. It's about USENET and Mailing List >>>> posting netiquette. >>>> >>>> http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheryl, >>>> Here's the section that explains why proper threading is good and >>>> why thread hijacking isn't. It does make sense. >>>> >>>> http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#threading >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Upon reading the above, (OK, I only skimmed over it) I didn't see where >>> it addressed the issue Cheryl is having. If she gets the digest and >>> responds, how is she to have any control over the threading? I could be >>> wrong (it does happen on rare occasions), but I don't think she can >>> control that. I am sure that there is more than one reader out there >>> that will correct me if this isn't the case. Anyone . . . ? >>> >>> >> Perhaps someone who is familiar with the mailing list software can >> provide instruction on how one retrieves their password and then >> changes their preferences. That would be much more useful than this >> stupid little rant session that has ensued. > > Are you saying subscribers who opt for the digest as opposed to > individual posts shouldn't be able to post to the list? I'm not the one that started this steaming pile, but I do remember where Cheryl was going to change her options but was unable to authenticate, then this pile started without anyone offering any sort of useful advice at all. The only other thing I mentioned in this discussion was how I didn't want a top/bottom posting flame war. I never in any way mentioned that digest subscribers shouldn't post to the list. Seeing as how I rarely switch to threaded view,(I prefer seeing my e-mails in the order received) , I could care less about this whole threaded/non-threaded thing, so mangle the headers as you see fit. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 19:12:31 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:12:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett Message-ID: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> Opps, someone changed the subject line again. Yes, that is exactly what they're saying. If we subscribe to digest, we're not allowed to post. In digest, we have to send a new email to post and the only way to control the subject is to copy and paste that line. Who wants to wade through all that previous posting on a topic when they are looking for the most current responses? Other lists require trimming posts. Top posting seems a lot easier to me, and quicker to see the most current comment. Makes more sense to me...besides I'm not anal abt things...I can read and comprehend, so no need to go through all that wading. Intolerance and lack of understanding other's is rude. It's also condescending and totalitarian. cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 19:21:25 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:21:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Putting in an order for new, leather pocke Message-ID: <7e4994a70906061721i5840ec63le9178556576c017d@mail.gmail.com> AWESOME POST Jeniifer! Thank you very much! You hit the nail on the head! I'm glad we can read and comprehend posts without having to wade through every single post ever made. I can see including a post in a new post for a complex issue so we can track what's going on, but not for something like ordering pocket protectors...c From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 19:26:23 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:26:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cheryl, I would just ignore all of the ranting that goes on about trite things like this. Who really cares about thread hijacking, top posting or any other 'be a conformist and stick to the rules' nonsense. You are receiving emails so that you can participate in a group discussion. If they have issues with the above stuff, let them deal with it. You go right on ahead and post as you see fit. I don't have a problem with it at all. I sift out whatever I don't need/want and read what is of importance. It's a skill that they teach early in your educational years. No worries. E On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Opps, someone changed the subject line again. > > Yes, that is exactly what they're saying. If we subscribe to digest, we're > not allowed to post. In digest, we have to send a new email to post and > the > only way to control the subject is to copy and paste that line. > > Who wants to wade through all that previous posting on a topic when they > are > looking for the most current responses? Other lists require trimming > posts. Top posting seems a lot easier to me, and quicker to see the most > current comment. Makes more sense to me...besides I'm not anal abt > things...I can read and comprehend, so no need to go through all that > wading. > > Intolerance and lack of understanding other's is rude. It's also > condescending and totalitarian. cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sat Jun 6 19:53:04 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:53:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: cheryl: I am sorry if I came across as "condescending and totalitarian", it was not my intention one bit. It was a simple request that I felt was made in a respectful non-aggressive manner... After hearing the trouble you have with the style of list you are using I believe it understandable to communicate as you have been. Again, I apologize for any implied ill intent it was just one of my many efforts to keep my inbox tame and effectively read each useful SATLUG transaction in a sensible manner. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Opps, someone changed the subject line again. > > Yes, that is exactly what they're saying. If we subscribe to digest, we're > not allowed to post. In digest, we have to send a new email to post and > the > only way to control the subject is to copy and paste that line. > > Who wants to wade through all that previous posting on a topic when they > are > looking for the most current responses? Other lists require trimming > posts. Top posting seems a lot easier to me, and quicker to see the most > current comment. Makes more sense to me...besides I'm not anal abt > things...I can read and comprehend, so no need to go through all that > wading. > > Intolerance and lack of understanding other's is rude. It's also > condescending and totalitarian. cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 20:49:17 2009 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Sat Jun 6 20:49:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2009, at 5:10 PM, skolars wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> Ok, I just had to reload the OS (SuSE 11.1) after doing some hardware >> troubleshooting, and was going through different settings to try & >> get >> things back to the way they used to be before my hardware problems >> showed up. >> >> So I was looking in "Desktop Effects" (which appears to be their >> description for Compiz) and turned it on when I shouldn't have (it >> even warned me, but I said "Yes" anyway - DUMMY!). Now, whenever I >> login under my regular user account (even failsafe mode), all I get >> is >> a completely white screen with nothing else visible. How do disable >> this and get my desktop back? >> >> It doesn't affect Root (I checked), so I know it's a user-related >> setting, but I don't know where to look or what to change. I also >> know I could just delete my user account and re-create it, but I >> figure that's the coward's way out. >> >> TIA. >> >> Al Lesmerises >> > This is an example of why you should always come up in run level 3. > > Log in as root: > - vi /etc/inittab > - replace the 5 with a 3 on the runlevel line > - :wq > > Steve You could also uninstall compiz and related packages. I've been able to re-establish X by doing that before. Not sure if SuSE uses xorg, but if so you could check your Xorg.0.log for more information about where compiz is failing. --Gabriel From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Jun 6 22:56:24 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Jun 6 22:56:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <4A2B3A68.6030407@satx.rr.com> skolars wrote: > Which desktop are you using (probably KDE or Gnome)? This will tell us > which file you need to edit. I would have to look it up. Does anyone > know off the top of their head? If no one has answered by Monday I will > look it up at work. All I have at home this weekend is my Mac. > > Steve > I'm using the Gnome default (for now). Al Lesmerises From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 23:29:23 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jun 6 23:29:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... Message-ID: <5434.86680.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: ? > I'm using the Gnome default (for now). > > Al Lesmerises Since you're using gnome, I dont remember which dir has your settings but you can just rename .gnome2, .gconfd, .gnome2_private, .gconf to something else and add _old. When you log back in as that user you should be back to a regular gnome setup. Then you can rename 1 dir back at a time until you're hosed again then you know what directory houses the compiz settings. I've done this before and tanked it just like you. I just dont remember which dir houses the preferences. -Alex From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 23:36:45 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jun 6 23:36:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett Message-ID: <589663.66024.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I wonder if anyone's top and bottom posted at the same time. Kinda like a double whammy. I wonder if I try it....will there be a rip in the time-space continuum ? Just trying to sprinkle some humor on this topic. But I agree w/Ernest. Post as you wish. :) Cheryl, I'll call you tomorrow about picking up the new comp parts. -Alex --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Ernest De Leon wrote: > From: Ernest De Leon > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 7:26 PM > Cheryl, I would just ignore all of > the ranting that goes on about trite > things like this. Who really cares about thread hijacking, > top posting or > any other 'be a conformist and stick to the rules' > nonsense. You are > receiving emails so that you can participate in a group > discussion. If they > have issues with the above stuff, let them deal with it. > You go right on > ahead and post as you see fit. I don't have a problem with > it at all. I sift > out whatever I don't need/want and read what is of > importance. It's a skill > that they teach early in your educational years. No > worries. > > E > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > Opps, someone changed the subject line again. > > > > Yes, that is exactly what they're saying.? If we > subscribe to digest, we're > > not allowed to post.? In digest, we have to send > a new email to post and > > the > > only way to control the subject is to copy and paste > that line. > > > > Who wants to wade through all that previous posting on > a topic when they > > are > > looking for the most current responses?? Other > lists require trimming > > posts.? Top posting seems a lot easier to me, and > quicker to see the most > > current comment.? Makes more sense to > me...besides I'm not anal abt > > things...I can read and comprehend, so no need to go > through all that > > wading. > > > > Intolerance and lack of understanding other's? is > rude.? It's also > > condescending and totalitarian.? ? cheryl > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Jun 7 00:48:34 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Jun 7 00:48:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906061712w20745c4fneb94709ef5761edf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2B54B2.5060100@shub-internet.org> on 6/6/09 7:12 PM, Cheryl Holmes said: > Yes, that is exactly what they're saying. If we subscribe to digest, we're > not allowed to post. In digest, we have to send a new email to post and the > only way to control the subject is to copy and paste that line. Actually, there may be another solution here. If you get your digests in MIME format, and you have a mail reader that can properly understand MIME format, then you could open each digest in much the same way you open a folder, and read each message in that digest/folder individually, and your replies to individual messages should retain the necessary header information to keep message threading intact. In fact, keeping message threading intact is one of the primary reasons why MIME format digests were created in the first place. > Intolerance and lack of understanding other's is rude. It's also > condescending and totalitarian. cheryl Breaking message threading is mildly annoying for some of us, and very annoying for a few. But IMO top posting and not trimming quotes are much, much more annoying and from what I've seen you don't do either of those things. So, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think you have that much to worry about Cheryl. Bruce has given you the instructions for how you can get your password sent to you so that you can log in and change your subscription options, but if that doesn't work or you simply don't want to do it, then I won't hold it against you. And since I've been supporting the Mailman project for over five years, and I'm the ranking member of the Mailman Cabal that is on this list, I will violently defend you against anyone else who sees otherwise. If people want to get old flamewars restarted, then I'm going to make a point of going after the top-posters and the people who don't trim their quotes, and once we get rid of all them (or get them to change their ways), we can see who is left standing. I'm a veteran with twenty-five years of experience in flamewars, and I'm perfectly happy to get out the old Mark II flamethrower and Asbestos longjohns, if that's the way people want to be. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 03:23:19 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Sun Jun 7 03:23:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... Message-ID: <802385.2721.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > skolars wrote: > This is an example of why you should always come up in run > level 3. > > Log in as root: > ? - vi /etc/inittab > ? - replace the 5 with a 3 on the runlevel line > ? - :wq Or just add a 3 to the boot option line when booting up. :D >> Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> So I was looking in "Desktop Effects" (which appears to be their >> description for Compiz) and turned it on when I shouldn't have (it >> even warned me, but I said "Yes" anyway - DUMMY!). Now, whenever I >> login under my regular user account (even failsafe mode), all I get is >> a completely white screen with nothing else visible. How do disable >> this and get my desktop back? Alan, you *may* be able to fix it by disabling composite in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf Boot to runlevel 3 anyway that you want. Adding a 3 to the boot option line is about the easiest way I know of. Once booted up log in as root and edit your xorg.conf file. Look for the Extensions section and change the Composite option to "off". This might work, it might not. I've seen it work on some older nVidia's and Intel's so you never know. If it doesn't, don't sweat it. There are still other options. You're still logged in as root right? You can run YaST and uninstall compiz. That will very probably fix it right there. If _that_ doesn't work just create another user in YaST and migrate your personal files to that account then delete the first one. If you don't want to get that drastic, then still as root, rename your /home//.config/compiz directory to something like /home//.config/compiz-old. would be your, well, user name of course. :D Now you need do an Alt+F2 to get to tty2. Log in as your regular user and try X by typing startx to test things out before hopping back into runlevel 5. If X starts, log out or kill your xserver with a Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. (Twice if you haven't changed your ZapWarning to "off" in your xorg.conf yet.) Once back at the bash prompt in tty2 log out and go to tty1 (Alt+F1) where you're still logged in as root and change to runlevel 5 by typing init 5. This should finally work. Hopefully. HTH, Bill From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jun 7 11:25:55 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jun 7 11:26:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: <5434.86680.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <5434.86680.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2BEA13.8070007@lookcee.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > > >> I'm using the Gnome default (for now). >> >> Al Lesmerises >> > > > Since you're using gnome, I dont remember which dir has your settings but you can just rename .gnome2, .gconfd, .gnome2_private, .gconf to something else and add _old. When you log back in as that user you should be back to a regular gnome setup. Then you can rename 1 dir back at a time until you're hosed again then you know what directory houses the compiz settings. I've done this before and tanked it just like you. I just dont remember which dir houses the preferences. > > -Alex > Thanks Alex that is a cool troubleshooting tip, I putting it in my LinuxTips file. herb > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 11:57:31 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Jun 7 11:57:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett Message-ID: <7e4994a70906070957w7cf6d012g9e444879195db00e@mail.gmail.com> Thank you very much Ernest! I appreciate your comments, I really do! Hope you are doing ok these days! Travis, Thank you for your comments too! I appreciate it very much that you clarified some things for me. I also accept your apology. That was very meaningful. No hard feelings then...:o) cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 12:15:43 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Jun 7 12:15:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENET and Mailing List posting netiquett Message-ID: <7e4994a70906071015p48c92887r8d13dad8411f1a01@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Brad! I appreciate your support and kindness very much! There are some very nice people on this list...some real people who do care about others and who are just plain genuinely nice. You are one of them. My head was swimming with your explanation of MIME which is way over my head, but I still want to thank you for taking the time to point options out that I am unaware of. Thanks again Brad! cheryl From yatinhat at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 13:12:19 2009 From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:12:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit Message-ID: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I live in rural Bandera, Tx and have been using Skype w/USB phone for the past month on my Dell Inspiron laptop.? For broadband connectivity, I use a Sprint aircard.? I pay $4.00 a month to make phone calls anywhere in the USA.? I pay nothing to talk internationally to my relatives who also have Skype.? Sadly, my laptop is only 32 bit and I've been using Windows Vista OS.? I really like FAST, FREE (as in troublefree) surfing experiences while I search for the end of the Internet (I'm told it has no beginning and it has no end).? I'm thinking that I will buy a 64 bit laptop and / or desktop in the next few months because I only have one laptop right now...?? The laptop I have has been in the shop for several hardware failures (and it's a dell).? Thank goodness, it's under warranty.? I need to have a spare one for my jobs.? I freelance write, telecommute for my software engineering job and also work for CHCS.? I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype.? Any Suggestions? Mary From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jun 7 13:20:14 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:20:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906071820.n57IKEpD016942@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I live in rural Bandera, Tx and have been using Skype w/USB phone for the p= > ast month on my Dell Inspiron laptop.=A0 For broadband connectivity, I use = > a Sprint aircard.=A0 I pay $4.00 a month to make phone calls anywhere in th= > e USA.=A0 I pay nothing to talk internationally to my relatives who also ha= > ve Skype.=A0=20 > > Sadly, my laptop is only 32 bit and I've been using Windows Vista OS.=A0 I = > really like FAST, FREE (as in troublefree) surfing experiences while I sear= > ch for the end of the Internet (I'm told it has no beginning and it has no = > end).=A0=20 > > I'm thinking that I will buy a 64 bit laptop and / or desktop in the next f= > ew months because I only have one laptop right now...=A0=A0 The laptop I ha= > ve has been in the shop for several hardware failures (and it's a dell).=A0= > Thank goodness, it's under warranty.=A0 I need to have a spare one for my = > jobs.=A0 I freelance write, telecommute for my software engineering job and= > also work for CHCS.=A0=20 > > I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype.=A0 Any Suggestions? Mary, I had trouble with Skype and Linux until I found an older statically linked version, that worked great, and it is 32-bit. You can run it on both 64- and 32-bit installations. If you can't find it, I can probably dig it up somewhere. -b. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 13:21:39 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:21:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2C0533.30907@gmail.com> Mary Yatti wrote: > I live in rural Bandera, Tx and have been using Skype w/USB phone for the > past month on my Dell Inspiron laptop. For broadband connectivity, I use a > Sprint aircard. I pay $4.00 a month to make phone calls anywhere in the USA. > I pay nothing to talk internationally to my relatives who also have Skype. > > Sadly, my laptop is only 32 bit and I've been using Windows Vista OS. I > really like FAST, FREE (as in troublefree) surfing experiences while I search > for the end of the Internet (I'm told it has no beginning and it has no end). > > > I'm thinking that I will buy a 64 bit laptop and / or desktop in the next few > months because I only have one laptop right now... The laptop I have has > been in the shop for several hardware failures (and it's a dell). Thank > goodness, it's under warranty. I need to have a spare one for my jobs. I > freelance write, telecommute for my software engineering job and also work > for CHCS. > > I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any Suggestions? I think your problem is running Vista. 64-bit systems are not necessarily fater than 32-bit systems. What 64-bits give is the ability to address more than 4G RAM. It may also be useful if you are solving partial differential equations. Why don't you save yourself the money and just put Linux on your current laptop. I run a Linux From Scratch system on a 32-bit laptop and it's just fine. There's no reason why something like Ubuntu or Fedora wouldn't run fine on your current system. -- Bruce From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 13:48:31 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:48:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <189332.59597.qm@web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906071348.31866.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:19 Mary Yatti wrote: > I live in rural Bandera, Tx and have been using Skype w/USB phone for the past month on my Dell Inspiron laptop. For broadband connectivity, I use a Sprint aircard. I pay $4.00 a month to make phone calls anywhere in the USA. I pay nothing to talk internationally to my relatives who also have Skype. > > Sadly, my laptop is only 32 bit and I've been using Windows Vista OS. I really like FAST, FREE (as in troublefree) surfing experiences while I search for the end of the Internet (I'm told it has no beginning and it has no end). > > I'm thinking that I will buy a 64 bit laptop and / or desktop in the next few months because I only have one laptop right now... The laptop I have has been in the shop for several hardware failures (and it's a dell). Thank goodness, it's under warranty. I need to have a spare one for my jobs. I freelance write, telecommute for my software engineering job and also work for CHCS. > > I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any Suggestions? > > Mary > > > > > If you do end up going with a 64bit Linux install, skype can be used. There will be some 32 bit libraries which will need to be installed, but that's about it. Those libraries can coexist with the 64 bit libraries, so no worries there. I have done this before and if I have time later, I will look up which libraries are needed. I do not remember which libraries they are but search http://www.google.com/linux for skype 64bit and you should find a link to the appropriate info. John C. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 15:05:27 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Jun 7 15:05:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... Message-ID: <289298.7647.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Herb Cee wrote: > From: Herb Cee > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:25 AM > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Alan Lesmerises > wrote: > >? ? > >> I'm using the Gnome default (for now). > >> > >> Al Lesmerises > >>? ??? > > > > > > Since you're using gnome, I dont remember which dir > has your settings but you can just rename .gnome2, .gconfd, > .gnome2_private, .gconf to something else and add > _old.? When you log back in as that user you should be > back to a regular gnome setup.? Then you can rename 1 > dir back at a time until you're hosed again then you know > what directory houses the compiz settings.? I've done > this before and tanked it just like you.? I just dont > remember which dir houses the preferences. > > > > -Alex > >??? > > Thanks Alex that is a cool troubleshooting tip, I putting > it in my LinuxTips file. > herb > > its a half arsed way to do it but I just cant remember where the config file is. I've tanked gnome before to where this would have been the best way to fix it. -Alex From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 17:47:40 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:47:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit Message-ID: <430816.47749.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Mary Yatti wrote: > From: Mary Yatti > > I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any > Suggestions? > > Mary look at tigerdirect.com or newegg.com , there you might find good deals I don't have stock or get paid in anyway from any of them, feel no remorse shopping anywhere else. ;) best regards, enrique. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 17:55:24 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun Jun 7 17:55:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] two power supplies to go. Message-ID: <516902.50356.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> folks, I have 2 power supplies that I don't need and the wife has already gave me the ultimatum to get rid of them and I don't want to put them in the trash bin, if anyone is interested they are good to go, one is busted the other is not. I will bring them to the next meeting hoping to find a new home for them. best regards, enrique. From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jun 7 18:17:22 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jun 7 18:17:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <430816.47749.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <430816.47749.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2C4A82.4010406@lookcee.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Mary Yatti wrote: > > >> From: Mary Yatti >> >> I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any >> Suggestions? >> >> Mary >> > > > look at tigerdirect.com or newegg.com , there you might find good deals I don't have stock or get paid in anyway from any of them, feel no remorse shopping anywhere else. ;) > > best regards, > enrique. > Mary I am following this thread cause I am interested in using skype also. I have to assume that enrique is referring to your choice of a new lappy and so flat agree that just buy it at the best price you can find and I think choosing a 'personal' puter is really finding one that you like the look and feel of, ... what the hell they all being assembled with connected units inside a case all made in Tiawan/sold in HongKong, lol go try em out and then research the ones you like best w google to see what others are saying. Now in considering your choice it really depends on how deep you wish to dive into the deep lake of our tech-world and taking each part of your choices into further research to see if the newer invocations are included, .. if they are important to your usage. Me? I have not yet owned a Lappy and I doubt I would be happy with the KB being other than the old IBM 'Clicky ... sort of mute when your world is mainly confined to the back room of a very nice Class'A' motorhome, (Congor II 28', 1972). Anyway, just my blah blah but I would welcome further discussion of using skype and especially Ubuntu 8.04 or 9.04? Also enterring a personal thing is I hate phones and avoid using them except..... LOL hh = 'Hippy Herb, can also mean hung-up herb. hh AKA herb > > > From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jun 7 18:25:36 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jun 7 18:25:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] two power supplies to go. In-Reply-To: <516902.50356.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <516902.50356.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2C4C70.9030103@lookcee.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > folks, > > I have 2 power supplies that I don't need and the wife has already gave me the ultimatum to get rid of them and I don't want to put them in the trash bin, if anyone is interested they are good to go, one is busted the other is not. > > I will bring them to the next meeting hoping to find a new home for them. > > best regards, > enrique. > Absolutely the best way to recycle, nearly everything I own came via various 'flea markets' and swapping, bet someone can use them or knows where they will be useful. Good Luck hh From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 22:46:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:46:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] crash update Message-ID: <7e4994a70906072046l3103d18fv7477800b7f709149@mail.gmail.com> Well, tomorrow is the day I try to install all the new parts Herb sent me, mobo, graphics card, hd myself! So, I may be offline for awhile, if things don't work out so well for me. Herb is doing an instructional write up for me on the mobo install but I have no way to print it, so I'll have to memorize it. Herb has the same mobo so he will do a step by step for me. Thank you so much Herb! Never done a mobo install before but have done the other stuff. Herb has preloaded Hardy on the HD to make it easier for me! Ordinarily, I would say a mobo is no big deal for me. I'm hoping I can see the screws. That's the main thing. I only have 1 eye left and the vision in that eye is 20/800 to 20/1000 from a rare genetic retina disease that causes repeated detachments. I can't focus that eye which makes it worse since it still has silicone oil in it from my last retina repair op. I do want to take a minute to thank Alex onlist (though I did thank him in person ) for using his compressor to blow out my current system, cleaning it for me...I couldn't see the dust...it was embarrassing. He also tried to figure out why I got that odd error and why Hardy wouldn't load. No clue there. All the new Sdram mem sticks work just not when I put any in socket 3. And this system is running Jaunty but not so well. Looking forward to going back to Hardy where everything worked just fine before, even my printer! So, thank you Alex for what you did cleaning this out and getting something to finally work on here. I do appreciate it very much. Waited for you to call all day but no luck, so I'll do it myself. I hope I can see the screws because I really do love working with hardware and want to learn how to do all this myself. Herb is going to tell me what to plug in where and how to take the screws out of the mobo, including the grounding washers so I get in in there correctly... Wish me luck...cheryl From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 7 23:16:37 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Jun 7 23:16:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: <5434.86680.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <5434.86680.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2C90A5.4000109@satx.rr.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > Since you're using gnome, I dont remember which dir has your settings but you can just rename .gnome2, .gconfd, .gnome2_private, .gconf to something else and add _old. When you log back in as that user you should be back to a regular gnome setup. Then you can rename 1 dir back at a time until you're hosed again then you know what directory houses the compiz settings. I've done this before and tanked it just like you. I just dont remember which dir houses the preferences. > > -Alex > Well, I tried renaming the 4 directories you listed above, but they had no effect. However, I went on a hunt for anything that mentioned "compiz" and it looks like I found it. In / home / / .config / compiz , I used your method of renaming the 2 files (compiz-manager and enable-compiz) and 1 directory (compizconfig) to effectively disable those settings, and boom -- I'm good to go again. Thanks for the ideas & suggestions. Al Lesmerises From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 00:52:51 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jun 8 00:52:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <4A2C4A82.4010406@lookcee.com> References: <430816.47749.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2C4A82.4010406@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A2CA733.6010306@gmail.com> Herb Cee wrote: > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Mary Yatti wrote: >> >> >>> From: Mary Yatti >>> >>> I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> Mary >>> >> >> look at tigerdirect.com or newegg.com , there you might find good >> deals I don't have stock or get paid in anyway from any of them, feel >> no remorse shopping anywhere else. ;) I bought my current Acer Aspire 5515 laptop at Best Buy for $349+tax. 1.6Ghz AMD Athlon CPU, 2GB RAM, ATI x1200 video, and a built-in web-cam. Its my 2nd Acer, and 2nd laptop using Ubuntu, though this time exclusively, rather than dual-boot. (It came with M$ Vista Home Basic...) > Anyway, just my blah blah but I would welcome further discussion of > using skype and especially Ubuntu 8.04 or 9.04? Also enterring a > personal thing is I hate phones and avoid using them except..... Whaddya need to know about using Skype? I've been on it for some time now (Ubuntu 8.10), and have a few minor issues with it, but not enough to remove it. Call "horned0wl." Cheers; Ed > From hc at lookcee.com Mon Jun 8 01:04:40 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Mon Jun 8 01:04:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Skype 64-bit In-Reply-To: <4A2CA733.6010306@gmail.com> References: <430816.47749.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2C4A82.4010406@lookcee.com> <4A2CA733.6010306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2CA9F8.5050600@lookcee.com> ed wrote: > > > Herb Cee wrote: >> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >>> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Mary Yatti wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Mary Yatti >>>> >>>> I plan on installing Ubuntu and use Skype. Any >>>> Suggestions? >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>> >>> look at tigerdirect.com or newegg.com , there you might find good >>> deals I don't have stock or get paid in anyway from any of them, >>> feel no remorse shopping anywhere else. ;) > I bought my current Acer Aspire 5515 laptop at Best Buy for $349+tax. > 1.6Ghz AMD Athlon CPU, 2GB RAM, ATI x1200 video, and a built-in > web-cam. Its my 2nd Acer, and 2nd laptop using Ubuntu, though this > time exclusively, rather than dual-boot. (It came with M$ Vista Home > Basic...) > >> Anyway, just my blah blah but I would welcome further discussion of >> using skype and especially Ubuntu 8.04 or 9.04? Also enterring a >> personal thing is I hate phones and avoid using them except..... > Whaddya need to know about using Skype? I've been on it for some time > now (Ubuntu 8.10), and have a few minor issues with it, but not > enough to remove it. Call "horned0wl." Yeah I guess install it then tell ya ... never tried it so I will put it off till later ..hehehe From president at satlug.org Mon Jun 8 09:28:19 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Mon Jun 8 09:28:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I change to individual emails from diges In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906061213w26c0b23du8b36342622d41272@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906061213w26c0b23du8b36342622d41272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906080728p2b9bae40gee21a44e009935e2@mail.gmail.com> Cheryl, I just went into the list & changed your setting to turn off digest mode. The system will now send you individual e-mails. There might be an additional digest mail today, I'm not sure how mailman handles changing from Digest to Individual mails. I'm sure there's some one on the list that would have the answer to that. Jim Wells On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I tried doing it on the website but it kept not authenticating me. thanks > c > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 8 09:55:49 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon Jun 8 09:55:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did something stupid ... In-Reply-To: References: <4A2AE61E.8080609@satx.rr.com> <4A2AE961.1010002@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <1244472949.4236.5.camel@shoebox> On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 21:51 -0500, Michael wrote: > skolars wrote: > > Alan Lesmerises wrote: > >> [munged gnome/compiz, then:] > >> How do disable this and get my desktop back? > > This is an example of why you should always come up in run level 3. > > Log in as root: > > - vi /etc/inittab > > - replace the 5 with a 3 on the runlevel line > > - :wq > Is this for all distros? Or just Suse? Michael, Yes, it's for not just all distros of Linux, but also BSD and most flavors of UNIX. /etc/inittab is where the system looks for run levels and other things during boot up. Al Castanoli From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 12:22:20 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Jun 8 12:22:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] crash update In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906072046l3103d18fv7477800b7f709149@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <218506.40410.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yeah, sorry. Had my son this weekend. I usually don't do computer work on the weekends I have my kids. Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Well, tomorrow is the day I try to install all the new parts Herb sent me, > mobo, graphics card, hd myself! So, I may be offline for awhile, if things > don't work out so well for me. > Herb is doing an instructional write up for me on the mobo install but I > have no way to print it, so I'll have to memorize it. Herb has the same > mobo so he will do a step by step for me. Thank you so much Herb! Never > done a mobo install before but have done the other stuff. Herb has > preloaded Hardy on the HD to make it easier for me! > Ordinarily, I would say a mobo is no big deal for me. I'm hoping I can see > the screws. That's the main thing. I only have 1 eye left and the vision > in that eye is 20/800 to 20/1000 from a rare genetic retina disease that > causes repeated detachments. I can't focus that eye which makes it worse > since it still has silicone oil in it from my last retina repair op. > I do want to take a minute to thank Alex onlist (though I did thank him in > person ) for using his compressor to blow out my current system, cleaning it > for me...I couldn't see the dust...it was embarrassing. He also tried to > figure out why I got that odd error and why Hardy wouldn't load. No clue > there. All the new Sdram mem sticks work just not when I put any in socket > 3. And this system is running Jaunty but not so well. > Looking forward to going back to Hardy where everything worked just fine > before, even my printer! > So, thank you Alex for what you did cleaning this out and getting something > to finally work on here. I do appreciate it very much. > Waited for you to call all day but no luck, so I'll do it myself. I hope I > can see the screws because I really do love working with hardware and want > to learn how to do all this myself. Herb is going to tell me what to plug > in where and how to take the screws out of the mobo, including the grounding > washers so I get in in there correctly... > Wish me luck...cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From ftm at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 8 12:39:47 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Mon Jun 8 12:40:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Looking for a one day consultant. In-Reply-To: <218506.40410.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <218506.40410.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B4B236AED154D1991C1FDC8A3B527B0@control> I am looking for a one day consultant to come over and set up a virtual server or dedicated server with ubuntu, replacing windows server 2003 enterprise, set up web space, mysql, and postfix. This will be on a Dell Dimension 8200. I will be glad to reimburse your expenses and your fee, if reasonable. continuing support will not be needed. I would also like to set up a second machine as a DNS server, if possible with ubuntu. What I am wanting to do is to set up postfix to receive mail, spam and virus scan and forward it to a windows server where the customer can pop his/her email and access webmail as well. I already have the windows setup done, but am a real novice when it comes to the installation of Linux. Interested? please reply off list, and I will give you my # with any details you need. Thanks guys for allowing me to be on your list. The tips and tricks I have been reading are very educational. Doug From riugakusei at aim.com Mon Jun 8 15:01:02 2009 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Mon Jun 8 15:01:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] kismet selinux avc denials fc 11 Message-ID: <8CBB68AFBC519C0-600-1B77@webmail-mf10.sysops.aol.com> ?hi i am try to run kismet . am running Fc 11? how can make selinux to allow kismet to run witout disbaling selinux? ?this is my source for kismet source=madwifi_ag,wlan0,internal any help is gladly appreciated ?this is? what comes on selinux: SELinux is preventing kismet_server (kismet_t) "search" sysctl_net_t. Detailed Description: SELinux denied access requested by kismet_server. It is not expected that this access is required by kismet_server and this access may signal an intrusion attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of the application is causing it to require additional access. Allowing Access: You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ (http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can disable SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not recommended. Please file a bug report (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi) against this package. Additional Information: Source Context??????????????? unconfined_u:unconfined_r:kismet_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 Target Context??????????????? system_u:object_r:sysctl_net_t:s0 Target Objects??????????????? None [ dir ] Source??????????????????????? kismet_server Source Path?????????????????? /usr/bin/kismet_server Port????????????????????????? Host????????????????????????? mimor Source RPM Packages?????????? kismet-0.0.2008.05.R1-5.fc11 Target RPM Packages?????????? Policy RPM??????????????????? selinux-policy-3.6.12-39.fc11 Selinux Enabled?????????????? True Policy Type?????????????????? targeted MLS Enabled?????????????????? True Enforcing Mode??????????????? Enforcing Plugin Name?????????????????? catchall Host Name???????????????????? mimor Platform????????????????????? Linux mimor 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686.PAE #1 SMP Wed ????????????????????????????? May 27 17:28:22 EDT 2009 i686 athlon Alert Count?????????????????? 36 First Seen??????????????????? Tue 02 Jun 2009 02:05:13 PM EDT Last Seen???????????????????? Mon 08 Jun 2009 03:52:10 PM EDT Local ID????????????????????? e8a7cb55-04fa-4071-8271-d04b96d3044d Line Numbers????????????????? Raw Audit Messages??????????? node=mimor type=AVC msg=audit(1244490730.506:40): avc:? denied? { search } for? pid=3337 comm="kismet_server" scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:kismet_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r:sysctl_net_t:s0 tclass=dir node=mimor type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1244490730.506:40): arch=40000003 syscall=5 success=no exit=-13 a0=9443e64 a1=8000 a2=1b6 a3=0 items=0 ppid=3336 pid=3337 auid=500 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=pts1 ses=2 comm="kismet_server" exe="/usr/bin/kismet_server" subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:kismet_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) From j at jvpappas.net Mon Jun 8 16:08:08 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Jun 8 16:08:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906081408i1fdca8dfk2bd4ddc58fae8360@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 19:16, Charles Hogan wrote: > Reversed polarity and AC voltage present could potentially cause problems. > The first being far easier to correct than the second. As for DSL filters > messing with the phones, well, those came about 2 to 3 years after I quit > working tech support for an ISP. > This is a little late on the tread, but if the AC was present AND the phone was ringing (Or call coming in) then that is normal (AC is what causes the ringer to go, quite a shock when you are working with the line live, and suddenly the phone rings: WEEEE) If you have a multi-line situation (a "line" is a complete "loop" pair, or same circuit, throughout the premise - Given the different results, it seems that the inner 2 wires on each plug are on different lines/loops/circuits, or you tested one when no incoming call and the other when there was resulting in different results). If I could, I would run new copper to the jack that has the AC voltage > present, especially since that is the jack for the modem, and try keeping it > away from any little nasties like flourescent lighting. The line could be > picking up AC through induction by being too close to a transformer or some > other silly hard to pinpoint thing. > If the AC was not a ring signal, try dialing in temporarily from the other jacks, just to see if the problem is premise wiring (If you have a laptop, you could dial directly from the demarc's plug, bypassing premise wiring problems completely.) HTH, jp From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 8 20:43:28 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Jun 8 20:43:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down Message-ID: Got this from AT&T tonight. For those who know what NNTP is all about, the chocolate bar has been downsized again. Of course those of us who know what AT&T is all about feel that particular chocolate bar was stuck to the underside of a subway seat for a few years. C'est la vie. --Don 0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0 wrote: Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party vendors. Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers. -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 22:58:49 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:58:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I change to individual emails from diges In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906080728p2b9bae40gee21a44e009935e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906061213w26c0b23du8b36342622d41272@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0906080728p2b9bae40gee21a44e009935e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906082058w2b04a0b3wc7eb1d4bfdbd218b@mail.gmail.com> thank you very much Jim! It is working just fine now! I do get the posts like individual emails. I appreciate you doing this for me very much! cheryl On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Cheryl, > I just went into the list & changed your setting to turn off digest mode. > The system will now send you individual e-mails. There might be an > additional digest mail today, I'm not sure how mailman handles changing > from > Digest to Individual mails. I'm sure there's some one on the list that > would have the answer to that. > > Jim Wells > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes >wrote: > > > I tried doing it on the website but it kept not authenticating me. > thanks > > c > > > > -- > > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 8 23:47:57 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (ovalvw57@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Jun 8 23:47:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down Message-ID: <723078.63089.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> -- On Mon, 6/8/09, Don Wright wrote: > Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will > no longer be > offering access to the Usenet netnews service.? If you I was wondering what the heck was going on. Last night my newsreader showed unread posts in my subbed groups and when I went to open them they'd be empty. I tried the dallas, houston and kc servers. Same thing. Oh well, ATT's news servers have bit the bone for a long time anyways. I swear the entire alt.binaries hierarchy was always empty. (yeah right!) Then that hierarchy just disappeared. TW dropped their usenet access a while back too. Last time I used Grande's servers they rocked. More groups then either ATT or TW plus a 90 day retention. I wonder if it's still the same. I can't get Grande where I live now. I know. I tried. It was my first choice for an ISP, but no. Across the street yes, but here, no. Que tonto. In the end though this is rather sad. The Usenet is one of the oldest and bestest of best on the net. When I first started on the net there was no web. Archie, ftp, email and other cool tools were there but the best part, the wildest part, the place where anything went, and often did, was the Usenet. It was like a BBS on steroids. Once you learned the system you rocked. But once you learned how to take advantage of the system you where a god. I loved it and it got me hooked on the net. It was also where I first heard of Linux. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Jun 8 23:44:51 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Mon Jun 8 23:53:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down In-Reply-To: <723078.63089.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <723078.63089.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2DE8C3.5060109@futuretechsolutions.com> ovalvw57@yahoo.com wrote: > -- On Mon, 6/8/09, Don Wright wrote: >> Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will >> no longer be >> offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you > > > I was wondering what the heck was going on. Last night my newsreader showed unread posts in my subbed groups and when I went to open them they'd be empty. I tried the dallas, houston and kc servers. Same thing. Oh well, ATT's news servers have bit the bone for a long time anyways. I swear the entire alt.binaries hierarchy was always empty. (yeah right!) Then that hierarchy just disappeared. TW dropped their usenet access a while back too. > > Last time I used Grande's servers they rocked. More groups then either ATT or TW plus a 90 day retention. I wonder if it's still the same. I can't get Grande where I live now. I know. I tried. It was my first choice for an ISP, but no. Across the street yes, but here, no. Que tonto. > > In the end though this is rather sad. The Usenet is one of the oldest and bestest of best on the net. When I first started on the net there was no web. Archie, ftp, email and other cool tools were there but the best part, the wildest part, the place where anything went, and often did, was the Usenet. It was like a BBS on steroids. Once you learned the system you rocked. But once you learned how to take advantage of the system you where a god. I loved it and it got me hooked on the net. It was also where I first heard of Linux. > Grande's usenet access still rocks. They contract their usenet through supernews.net. From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 00:06:13 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Tue Jun 9 00:06:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down Message-ID: <494141.36624.qm@web50411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Charles Hogan wrote: > Grande's usenet access still rocks.? They contract > their usenet through supernews.net. Cool. I'm moving in a couple months and that's going to play a part in where I choose to live. Thanks for the heads up. From chmims at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 13:36:24 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue Jun 9 13:36:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting Usenet news over TW cable. Message-ID: <9e4edf580906091136j117089aaw2f4e0cf54bff9380@mail.gmail.com> Switch you ISP. I am connected using TW cable, but my ISP is Earthlink. Their news servers remain functional. I don't use it much anymore so I wouldn't comment on the quality of the service but I do use it occasionally and have had no problems. Charles From president at satlug.org Tue Jun 9 13:56:45 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Jun 9 13:56:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tomorrow Wednesday June 10, 2009 Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Ernest De Leon has volunteered to to a presentation on Desktop Virtualization Infrastructure at the meeting tomorrow night, June 10, 2009. See you tomorrow! Jim From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:37:38 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jun 9 14:37:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tomorrow Wednesday June 10, 2009 In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone. I just wanted to give you a little abstract of what I will be presenting tomorrow. I will be talking about Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI). I will delve into how it evolved out of server virtualization, the two paths from which vendors are approaching the solution, how it plays an important part in business today, how thin clients are coming back and much more. I will discuss the different products from companies like VMware, Xen, Microsoft, Quest and my own company. If you run an IT department or are within one, you may get some good information from here to take back. We can also branch out into cloud computing if we have time, or I can save that for another meeting. Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow. Ernest On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello all, > > Ernest De Leon has volunteered to to a presentation on Desktop > Virtualization Infrastructure at the meeting tomorrow night, June 10, 2009. > > See you tomorrow! > > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:38:35 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jun 9 14:38:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tomorrow Wednesday June 10, 2009 In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Also, I will need a projector with a VGA or DVI connection. I do not need sound at all. Are we going to be in the usual room or a different one? Thanks, Ernest On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello all, > > Ernest De Leon has volunteered to to a presentation on Desktop > Virtualization Infrastructure at the meeting tomorrow night, June 10, 2009. > > See you tomorrow! > > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 9 14:39:44 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (ovalvw57@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 14:39:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting Usenet news over TW cable. Message-ID: <451148.20141.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Ian L. Target wrote: > I also use Earthlink's usenet, but only because I a friend > of mine > allows me to use her username and password for the usenet > newsgroups. > (After all these years, she still has no clue was "usenet" > is.) Over the years I've done simple work on friends computers in exchange for access to their Usenet accounts. Friend: So what's it going to cost me for you to fix this? Me: Access to your Usenet account. Friend: What's Usenet? Me: You don't know what Usenet is? Friend: Nope. Me: Then it ain't gonna hurt ya' if I use it, will it? From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 15:59:45 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 9 15:59:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google chrome for linux Message-ID: <2051237831-1244581176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2051290848-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey guys, just thought I'd let you know google chrome for linux daily build snapshots can be downloaded here. http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From chmims at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 16:21:24 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:21:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting Usenet news over TW cable. In-Reply-To: <4A2EB3EF.8050309@comcast.net> References: <9e4edf580906091136j117089aaw2f4e0cf54bff9380@mail.gmail.com> <4A2EB3EF.8050309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9e4edf580906091421q351cfdfax14e0f876a94d1c04@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ian L. Target wrote: > > > In your example, wouldn't you be paying twice? Not that it would be > that cost prohibitive. I think you can dial-up access from Earthlink > for $9.99 which includes the usenet. Purchasing usenet access from > SuperNews or similar is the same cost as the entire services from > Earthlink. > > Ian The cost is the same as if you had Roadrunner as your ISP and TW supplied the cable. Only difference is Earthlink is my ISP. Charles From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 16:41:17 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Jun 9 16:41:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google chrome for linux In-Reply-To: <2051237831-1244581176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2051290848-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2051237831-1244581176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2051290848-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906091441n375deecwdd5b245ceb29f543@mail.gmail.com> and this...cheryl ttp://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > Hey guys, just thought I'd let you know google chrome for linux daily build > snapshots can be downloaded here. > http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/ > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 19:04:04 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Jun 9 19:04:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tomorrow Wednesday June 10, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0906091156n5902b6e2u21b859e9ba914e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nail Technical Center 213A On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Also, I will need a projector with a VGA or DVI connection. I do not need > sound at all. Are we going to be in the usual room or a different one? > > Thanks, > > Ernest Steve K. posted that we would meet in Nail Technical Center 213A. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From bkfuth at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 21:10:07 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:10:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday Evening Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906091910n187c5c9aje4c8d6d5b92c8170@mail.gmail.com> The meeting is scheduled for Nail Technical Center room 213A. The meeting will be in the Nail Technical Center. If the room changes I will put up signs at the entrances. I will have a projector.. If we need anything else let me know. Steve From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Jun 9 21:35:36 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:35:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting Usenet news over TW cable. In-Reply-To: <451148.20141.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <451148.20141.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2F1BF8.5000901@shlrm.org> ovalvw57@yahoo.com wrote: > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Ian L. Target wrote: > >> I also use Earthlink's usenet, but only because I a friend >> of mine >> allows me to use her username and password for the usenet >> newsgroups. >> (After all these years, she still has no clue was "usenet" >> is.) http://www.teranews.com/ There is that, which is free. David From leivajose at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:25:28 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (Jose Leiva) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:25:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Finally I have the Shirts In-Reply-To: <4A29BECB.6000901@net153.net> References: <8c9fbbeb0906030753v56b55c53k32fa8242cf4577da@mail.gmail.com> <4A29BECB.6000901@net153.net> Message-ID: <495ed5030906092025t32ae5b64j4f181edcfc3aec18@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I will be attending the meeting tomorrow. Jose On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > Jim Wells, President wrote: > >> Hello to everyone who ordered shirts. >> >> I FINALLY have the shirts. I picked them up yesterday afternoon. I'll be >> going through them over the next several days & get them sorted out by who >> wanted what type & color or shirts. As soon as I have gotten everything >> sorted out, I will let everybody know. >> >> If you plan on making the meeting on the 10th, please let me know so I can >> make sure I bring them with me. I would LIKE to deliver as many as I can >> that evening. >> >> I plan on mailing the ones to the out-of-towners on Saturday since that is >> the first time I can get by the post office without being rushed for time >> like I would on my lunch hour. >> >> If you don't make it to the meeting next week, contact me directly after >> the >> meeting & we can make arrangements to get your shirt(s) to you. >> >> Jim Wells >> > > Jim, I will not be at this meeting but I will be at the next one on July > 9th > > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 00:32:45 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 10 00:32:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2F457D.1050303@gmail.com> Don Wright wrote: > Got this from AT&T tonight. For those who know what NNTP is all about, > the chocolate bar has been downsized again. Of course those of us who > know what AT&T is all about feel that particular chocolate bar was stuck > to the underside of a subway seat for a few years. C'est la vie. --Don > > 0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0^0 > > wrote: > > > Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be > offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue > reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party > vendors. > > Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers. > > They're only about a week behind TW/RR, who have also ceased running Usenet, but haven't informed anyone until they called-in to discover where Usenet went. (One of my students relayed this to me in class last week...) Cheers; Ed From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 10 08:22:29 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 10 08:22:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down In-Reply-To: <4A2F457D.1050303@gmail.com> References: <4A2F457D.1050303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2FB395.2040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ed wrote: > They're only about a week behind TW/RR, who have also ceased running > Usenet, but haven't informed anyone until they called-in to discover > where Usenet went. (One of my students relayed this to me in class > last week...) more than a week... TW/RR stated nearly a year ago, that they weren't in the usenet business anymore. In fact, I think it -was- June of 08... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 09:46:19 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jun 10 09:46:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] (fwd) AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down In-Reply-To: <4A2FB395.2040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A2F457D.1050303@gmail.com> <4A2FB395.2040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Geoff wrote: > ed wrote: >> They're only about a week behind TW/RR, who have also ceased running >> Usenet, but haven't informed anyone until they called-in to discover >> where Usenet went. ?(One of my students relayed this to me in class >> last week...) > > more than a week... TW/RR stated nearly a year ago, that they weren't in > the usenet business anymore. ?In fact, I think it -was- June of 08... > Many probably know that Google took over Dejanews some years back and renamed it Groups (in the spirit of AOL). This does a fair job of following much of the text usenet, and it is free. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From barmstrong at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 10 13:07:39 2009 From: barmstrong at satx.rr.com (bill) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:08:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff Message-ID: <1244657260.8544.12.camel@main> Over the years I have received equipment from different SATLUG members who gave the items away for members to learn on. I wish to return the favor this Saturday. I am giving away about 5 older 1600r Compaq servers and 1850r servers, Dell servers, network cards and numerous other computer parts because I am moving. If interested, respond off list. From barmstrong at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 10 18:49:15 2009 From: barmstrong at satx.rr.com (bill) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:49:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff In-Reply-To: <1244657260.8544.12.camel@main> References: <1244657260.8544.12.camel@main> Message-ID: <1244677755.8544.39.camel@main> All items are spoken for at this time. If there is anything left over then it should be a small amount and I can meet people to give the items away. On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 13:07 -0500, bill wrote: > Over the years I have received equipment from different SATLUG members > who gave the items away for members to learn on. I wish to return the > favor this Saturday. I am giving away about 5 older 1600r Compaq servers > and 1850r servers, Dell servers, network cards and numerous other > computer parts because I am moving. If interested, respond off list. > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 10 23:32:35 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jun 10 23:32:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: [...] > I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the > majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been > bottom posting lists. I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff every month. Tweeks From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 23:41:50 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Jun 10 23:41:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0906102141w61967d0bu94a943ce2b03b9b0@mail.gmail.com> > [...] > > I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the > > majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been > > bottom posting lists. > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff > every > month. > > Tweeks > [...] I should just let this thread die...but...I just cannot resist... Gotta love it... Steve From chmims at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 09:22:23 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Jun 11 09:22:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50AED7D5-7B61-46F2-9520-E58E7DED8727@gmail.com> Depends. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:59 AM, "Ian L. Target" wrote: > Tweeks wrote: >> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >> [...] >> >>> I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the >>> majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been >>> bottom posting lists. >>> >> >> I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this >> stuff every >> month. >> >> Tweeks >> > > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and considerate to to > others > is wasting energy? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jun 11 09:25:10 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jun 11 09:25:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A3113C6.1010401@lookcee.com> Well I take issue with consideration it is respectful, courteous and considerate to others to follow their pattern of communication when they do not conform to your pattern. herb Ian L. Target wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > >> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >> [...] >> >> >>> I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the >>> majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been >>> bottom posting lists. >>> >>> >> I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff every >> month. >> >> Tweeks >> >> > > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and considerate to to others > is wasting energy? > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 10:05:18 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jun 11 10:05:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net> <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Hey, it's free comedy. Just laugh along. E On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks wrote: > On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > [...] > > I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the > > majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been > > bottom posting lists. > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff > every > month. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From ftm at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 11 10:45:49 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Thu Jun 11 10:46:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu><4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net><200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <9893BB42776E41C9A4273F52E8B2EBE5@control> indeed it is - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest De Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mailing list style > Hey, it's free comedy. Just laugh along. > > E > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks wrote: > >> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >> [...] >> > I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the >> > majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been >> > bottom posting lists. >> >> I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff >> every >> month. >> >> Tweeks >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jun 11 13:13:32 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:22:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <9893BB42776E41C9A4273F52E8B2EBE5@control> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <4A2AD319.3090703@w5omr.shacknet.nu><4A2AED02.7060006@comcast.net><200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <9893BB42776E41C9A4273F52E8B2EBE5@control> Message-ID: <4A31494C.9070409@futuretechsolutions.com> Unfortunately, with the number of times it comes up, it is old and stale. Probably a couple of years past the "sell by" date. :) Sugar wrote: > indeed it is - > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest De Leon" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mailing list style > > >> Hey, it's free comedy. Just laugh along. >> >> E >> >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks >> wrote: >> >>> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: >>> [...] >>> > I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the >>> > majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been >>> > bottom posting lists. >>> >>> I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff >>> every >>> month. >>> >>> Tweeks >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 15:43:12 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:43:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style Message-ID: <641453.16554.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Ian L. Target wrote: ?? > >> I don't think it is a matter of being right or > wrong.? But on the > >> majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed > to, they have been > >> bottom posting lists. > >>? ??? > > > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy > discussing this stuff every > > month. > > > > Tweeks > >??? > > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and considerate > to to others > is wasting energy? I just find it extremely ironic that a LUG has top posting when it was M$'s Outlook that started the trend. From nathan at gvtc.com Thu Jun 11 18:27:59 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Thu Jun 11 18:28:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test Message-ID: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> I am still having problems sending new messages to the mail server. I sent two last night that did not get through. This one is a 'reply' to an existing message. Is the mail server still blocking some IP addresses like the web site was? What I sent last night was: A reminder to Steve about the Open Source Fest and the Install Fest. A request to the members to come up with an idea for what to showcase at the computer show on Aug 29. An idea to try and have the group work on a open source / cross platform program that would maybe take a year to get done that we could talk about for 15 min. or so each meeting and show off our progress at the computer shows. The program I sujested was a simple one person Calendar program not aimed at a work group or a web site, but one that a person might keep track of items for themselves. Nathan From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 23:30:19 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Jun 11 23:30:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4A31D9DB.6050300@gmail.com> Nathan wrote: > I am still having problems sending new messages to the mail server. I sent > two last night that did not get through. This one is a 'reply' to an > existing message. Is the mail server still blocking some IP addresses like > the web site was? Shouldn't be. It would have to be the IP address of the mail server, not your system. I will be off line until Tuesday, so I can't really look at it until then. -- Bruce From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jun 12 05:06:11 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jun 12 05:06:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <4A31D9DB.6050300@gmail.com> References: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <4A31D9DB.6050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A322893.1000002@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Nathan wrote: >> I am still having problems sending new messages to the mail server. >> I sent >> two last night that did not get through. This one is a 'reply' to an >> existing message. Is the mail server still blocking some IP >> addresses like >> the web site was? > > Shouldn't be. It would have to be the IP address of the mail server, > not your system. > > I will be off line until Tuesday, so I can't really look at it until > then. > > -- Bruce Unless he's sending mail directly to satlug-bounces@ instead of just satlug@ satlug.org as you would on a reply. many a hair has been pulled due to a simple spelling error. -Geoff From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 07:35:03 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jun 12 07:35:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Project Message-ID: > Nathan wrote: An idea to try and have the group work on a open source / cross platform program that would maybe take a year to get done that we could talk about for 15 min. or so each meeting and show off our progress at the computer shows. The program I suggested was a simple one person Calendar program not aimed at a work group or a web site, but one that a person might keep track of items for themselves. > Nathan This is something that I would like to work on, but it seems that Orage pretty well covers that need for now. Perhaps some kind of financial tool like an easy version of gnucash or maybe some kind of retirement planner. Or we could look for an existing project that needs help and work on that? HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jun 13 01:22:15 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Jun 13 01:22:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> References: <4A2ACB93.5000503@gmail.com> <200906102332.36313.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A30F1A4.6030000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200906130122.15568.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:59:32 am Ian L. Target wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. Target wrote: > > [...] > > > >> I don't think it is a matter of being right or wrong. But on the > >> majority of mailing lists I have ever subscribed to, they have been > >> bottom posting lists. > > > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much energy discussing this stuff > > every month. > > > > Tweeks > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and considerate to to others > is wasting energy? See? ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Jun 13 03:18:14 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Jun 13 03:18:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <200906130318.14873.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> test From corpustexn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 12:08:04 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Sat Jun 13 12:08:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style Message-ID: <327636.49437.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Tweeks wrote: > From: Tweeks > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mailing list style > To: satlug@satlug.org > Cc: tweeks@theweeks.org, "Ian L. Target" > Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 1:22 AM > On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:59:32 am > Ian L. Target wrote: > > Tweeks wrote: > > > On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. > Target wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > >> I don't think it is a matter of being right > or wrong.? But on the > > >> majority of mailing lists I have ever > subscribed to, they have been > > >> bottom posting lists. > > > > > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much > energy discussing this stuff > > > every month. > > > > > > Tweeks > > > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and > considerate to to others > > is wasting energy? > > See? > > ;) > > Tweeks > -- > If we were really supposed to be respectful, courteous, and considerate of others, there would be an app for that. _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 13:17:39 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Jun 13 13:17:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: <327636.49437.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <327636.49437.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Only on the iPhone... On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Tim wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Tweeks wrote: > > > From: Tweeks > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mailing list style > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Cc: tweeks@theweeks.org, "Ian L. Target" > > Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 1:22 AM > > On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:59:32 am > > Ian L. Target wrote: > > > Tweeks wrote: > > > > On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. > > Target wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > >> I don't think it is a matter of being right > > or wrong. But on the > > > >> majority of mailing lists I have ever > > subscribed to, they have been > > > >> bottom posting lists. > > > > > > > > I just can't believe you guys waste so much > > energy discussing this stuff > > > > every month. > > > > > > > > Tweeks > > > > > > Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and > > considerate to to others > > > is wasting energy? > > > > See? > > > > ;) > > > > Tweeks > > -- > > If we were really supposed to be respectful, courteous, and considerate > of others, there would be an app for that. > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Sat Jun 13 16:07:52 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sat Jun 13 16:08:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mailing list style In-Reply-To: References: <327636.49437.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A341528.7030005@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 /me stirs up the hornets nest some more with GPG signatures! Ernest De Leon wrote: > Only on the iPhone... > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Tim wrote: > >> >> >> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Tweeks wrote: >> >>> From: Tweeks >>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mailing list style >>> To: satlug@satlug.org >>> Cc: tweeks@theweeks.org, "Ian L. Target" >>> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 1:22 AM >>> On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:59:32 am >>> Ian L. Target wrote: >>>> Tweeks wrote: >>>>> On Saturday 06 June 2009 05:26:10 pm Ian L. >>> Target wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> I don't think it is a matter of being right >>> or wrong. But on the >>>>>> majority of mailing lists I have ever >>> subscribed to, they have been >>>>>> bottom posting lists. >>>>> I just can't believe you guys waste so much >>> energy discussing this stuff >>>>> every month. >>>>> >>>>> Tweeks >>>> Discussing how to be respectful, courteous and >>> considerate to to others >>>> is wasting energy? >>> See? >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> Tweeks >>> -- >>> If we were really supposed to be respectful, courteous, and considerate >> of others, there would be an app for that. >> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKNBUnAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObyzIL/iTEDBT4POs97uLxnsiaszJZ f+yuyk4XlNUiG5GmTqhbUV8ccUSlmxfGP60JzL+tLZof3jBzyH1LlKAAtDlnSrKn 1li+5OJGNXDCgHE1ffpala92Jti/JlDP2CTIXquLVk/GWgPESw8kelfNuxVlcWYP eif7ijSvWoYN6Y6iuhx6++qTvX0N5nikk7+S4g/V7Y1FzxXc0hRoGdeKmRvXExhs aZNxKGZjC54ZJ/OyjAsYSIlv4gh9JLPzRuP+4KwaFSwtPE+9ZNwNxBYPHuc4JdT9 QFUfo/m+6L6Qq69Mlnr5ljOWsE6fPOHrL4iIn/fAGiT5FwY57fUqUZMauer0yLSl gZ8YvKSHXgYF0lNPS2iqf79f9U5Q3GciP8lSvPZq7LrPHyQVWGELyX0K6cx95x41 D/WG3bkNzuUKlJRY6GfoyUuvOW/gjqzkU1HcXnjFL3uvtXDIW3y2brvrCHcX3hBe h9Wd8JCgcMAzckCrztJlFXAmFmVkG7kIFQOuQjL75Q== =6SqP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 16:52:41 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Jun 14 16:52:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Need software to generate paystubs URGENTLY! Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please someone tell me what software does good at generating paystubs. I am researching gnucash right now to see if it has this ability. - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iEYEARECAAYFAko1cSwACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQlwpQCggNbD+XrGoBOxyWsD0xbjXiYT dEEAoLKYeHfv0hBWSVbBuJ+dF2S7zFEY =7O25 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Jun 14 20:10:04 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Jun 14 20:10:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Need software to generate paystubs URGENTLY! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A359F6C.4000809@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Lemire wrote: > Please someone tell me what software does good at generating paystubs. > I am researching gnucash right now to see if it has this ability. > Don't know if it does good: http://www.treshna.com/paymaster/ Just googled stuff. I too would be interested in what paystub software would be good. Just for future interest :) David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKNZ9sAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob5FgL/0Nqx3WvD0qrpQPtek6wchpe IDofaOC0QNPbyVtGrnfJAsO454MGEXGYEBbU+tjNfQl9EHAtxRqx8GTSEvQvvsXL ly9j3Spk9unLu2K7/sZRvMKeWxTxy4F44FxiQQ75zg2zAmLVrsEuYtsz+pTsTq2m ytGEMn1SJgcbxA6OPcOLXXTob4Tsgu0OODv8MQT6qn9TyyiUoe3zD/5y2WuvUsxW GhCLQ8Q6SAlEZqPse5RAevSykdGd/LqVCbjKek9Y/5o7/APLw2lGA4jJC7vlWE1l AwpJVMDMAitRN6UedqhSDV9VOMV9f+xdrXfwPcnY1/9kIsB0qS3yI7W6nCOcbi0a mCAOTlSKgqxbnBseRs2RZHtVUTMMXcXORMVZgKuDydiKoH37IfpUBxQH/Cx7seNQ OCQm6OmBnVmuEUzuTRabDGXEwMowV7EojOpO78+fdY6oOmBFg8xpOJU3dUKQVpJ4 0r4bvkBaxNMVLLmAi08SrVfqeXasxsNawF4mnyYgbQ== =XxIp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Jun 14 23:36:50 2009 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:37:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <200906130318.14873.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20090611162759.CCA4C77F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <200906130318.14873.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4A35CFE2.70107@cis.sac.accd.edu> Tweeks wrote: > test > Did I pass??? From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 15 10:44:21 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 15 10:44:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Monitor powersaving question Message-ID: <200906151544.n5FFiLEC024102@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Hi, I have a question about X-server configuration of DPMS settings: On my Slackware 12.0 box I have the "DPMS" statement in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for my NVidia card. That works great, except I can't remember where to set the timeout. I know it can be done with xset, but I would like to 1) modified the default timeout, and 2) have it integrated into my configuration file so the timout settings are set everytime I restart the X server. Can someone tell me the syntax and which file needs to be modified? Thanks, -Borries From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 15 14:06:46 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Mon Jun 15 14:06:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting Message-ID: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> I need some help with /tmp. I have Ubuntu 8.04, with the photo program F-Spot. It has a nice "send by mail" feature that I can't make work. I'm using Thunderbird. For example, when I attempt to send photo 1125.jpg the generated e-mail, with attached photo, fails with a message like this: "Sending of message failed. "Unable to open temporary file /tmp/tmp3b1e4267.tmp/img_1125.jpg. Check your 'Temporary Directory' setting." Just before attempting to send the e-mail, /tmp looked like this: andy@Izzy:/tmp$ ls gconfd-andy orbit-andy seahorse-WzHXrc tmp.cYaFox5929 gconfd-root orbit-root tmp3b1e4267.tmp Tracker-andy.6121 keyring-q0OXNU pulse-andy tmp77ece4da.tmp..jpg virtual-andy.apbDLN andy@Izzy:/tmp$ What do I do? I haven't a clue about " 'Temporary Directory' setting." Thanks, Andy Pickens San Antonio From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Jun 15 14:15:27 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Jun 15 14:15:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> I'm not running Thunderbird on Linux right now, so I can't be sure, but it sounds like somewhere in the Thunderbird for Linux options you might be able to change the directory where temporary files are stored as they're prepared for sending. It sounds like you may have a permissions issue writing into the /tmp directory, ie, you can't write a file into it, so you could either (a) change the temporary directory in Thunderbird to one where you CAN write, like /home//tmp, or (b) add yourself as a user or group that DOES have permissions to write into /tmp. David Andrew Pickens wrote: > I need some help with /tmp. I have Ubuntu 8.04, with the photo program > F-Spot. It has a nice "send by mail" feature that I can't make work. > I'm using Thunderbird. For example, when I attempt to send photo > 1125.jpg the generated e-mail, with attached photo, fails with a > message like this: > > "Sending of message failed. > "Unable to open temporary file /tmp/tmp3b1e4267.tmp/img_1125.jpg. > Check your 'Temporary Directory' setting." From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jun 15 18:10:23 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Jun 15 18:10:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 15 June 2009 02:15:27 pm David Salisbury wrote: [...] > Thunderbird to one where you CAN write, like /home//tmp, > or (b) add yourself as a user or group that DOES have permissions to > write into /tmp. Either that.. or your /tmp permissions should look something like this: $ ls -lad /tmp/ drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 4096 2009-06-15 18:02 /tmp/ If they don't then set them as such: $ sudo chmod 1777 /tmp Tweeks From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 15 18:27:15 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 15 18:27:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4A36D8D3.7020505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Tweeks wrote: > $ ls -lad /tmp/ > drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 4096 2009-06-15 18:02 /tmp/ > > If they don't then set them as such: > $ sudo chmod 1777 /tmp Thanks, Tom. I've never used the -d option in ls much. I can see where it's pretty handy. I'll be using it from now on. I'll notch it up there along with the +F option of less, for watching (in real time) a file grow. Most commonly, I'll use it for /var/log/messages or /var/log/apache2/access_log 73 -Geoff From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Jun 15 18:36:39 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Jun 15 18:36:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A36D8D3.7020505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A36D8D3.7020505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A36DB07.30205@shub-internet.org> Geoff wrote: > I've never used the -d option in ls much. I can see where it's pretty > handy. I'll be using it from now on. Note that the -d option is to list the ownership and permissions of the directory itself, as opposed to the contents of the directory. If that's not what you intended, then you should go do some testing to make sure you know how it operates -- it won't do anything for you if it's not used on a directory. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 15 18:44:20 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 15 18:44:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A36DB07.30205@shub-internet.org> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A36D8D3.7020505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A36DB07.30205@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A36DCD4.5000003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Brad Knowles wrote: > Geoff wrote: > >> I've never used the -d option in ls much. I can see where it's pretty >> handy. I'll be using it from now on. > > Note that the -d option is to list the ownership and permissions of > the directory itself, as opposed to the contents of the directory. > > If that's not what you intended, then you should go do some testing to > make sure you know how it operates -- it won't do anything for you if > it's not used on a directory. > zactly. there's a huge difference in /tmp/ and /tmp From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 15 20:18:55 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Mon Jun 15 20:18:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A36DCD4.5000003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A369DCF.50706@momentumweb.com> <200906151810.23485.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A36D8D3.7020505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A36DB07.30205@shub-internet.org> <4A36DCD4.5000003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A36F2FF.7070301@sbcglobal.net> Geoff wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > >> Geoff wrote: >> >> >>> I've never used the -d option in ls much. I can see where it's pretty >>> handy. I'll be using it from now on. >>> >> Note that the -d option is to list the ownership and permissions of >> the directory itself, as opposed to the contents of the directory. >> >> If that's not what you intended, then you should go do some testing to >> make sure you know how it operates -- it won't do anything for you if >> it's not used on a directory. >> >> > > zactly. there's a huge difference in /tmp/ and /tmp > Problem fixed with: $ sudo chmod 1777 /tmp Thank you all. Now I'll try to understand what I did. Andy Pickens From gregswift at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 23:00:47 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:00:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ext3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e3f91d70906152100t6e4181e1s335cf3ae3434d9e4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 22:42, Michael wrote: > Would someone please view the paragraph post in the below link and > translate it into layman's terms? > > Thanks. > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/460 > > any data you write to your hard drive gets written in 2 steps. 1: the info about the data (metadata) 2: the actual data Currently* the metadata gets written to disk before your actual data does. If you loose power between the writing of the metadata and the writing of your data, you loose your data, but you can't tell until you try and read it and the metadata points to the wrong stuff. What he is saying is that the data should be written first, because at least if the metadata is wrong, the data is still there. does that help? -greg * although I believe there is a patch or option to change the behavior, but I'm to tired to research for you, it was researched because of ext4 if that helps From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Jun 15 23:48:45 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:48:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] /tmp setting In-Reply-To: <4A36F2FF.7070301@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A369BC6.8050002@sbcglobal.net> <4A36DCD4.5000003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A36F2FF.7070301@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200906152348.45487.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 15 June 2009 08:18:55 pm Andrew Pickens wrote: > Geoff wrote: > > Brad Knowles wrote: > >> Geoff wrote: > >>> I've never used the -d option in ls much. I can see where it's pretty > >>> handy. I'll be using it from now on. > >> > >> Note that the -d option is to list the ownership and permissions of > >> the directory itself, as opposed to the contents of the directory. > >> > >> If that's not what you intended, then you should go do some testing to > >> make sure you know how it operates -- it won't do anything for you if > >> it's not used on a directory. > > > > zactly. there's a huge difference in /tmp/ and /tmp > > Problem fixed with: $ sudo chmod 1777 /tmp > > Thank you all. Now I'll try to understand what I did. Hehe.. Well, you probably already know that "777" = rwx rwx rwx for the owner, group and other. Well the preceeding "1" merely sets the "sticky bit" (the "t" in "wrxwrxwrt"). The sticky bit (on modern Linux systems) just keeps OTHER people from deleting your files within a directory that everyone own has write permissions in (in a nut shell). Useful for a shared group dir like /tmp/ where your account's active session temp files are stored.. but where you don't want other processess nuking your stuff. That's all it is. Problem now is (inUbuntu) fidinf out who or what changed your /tmp/ permissions. Tweeks From satlug at net153.net Tue Jun 16 07:39:03 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Jun 16 07:39:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ext3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A379267.7050506@net153.net> Michael wrote: > Would someone please view the paragraph post in the below link and > translate it into layman's terms? > > Thanks. > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/460 > He is flaming the data_writeback mode of ext3. Ext3 defaults to data_ordered mode. See the -o option here: http://linux.die.net/man/8/tune2fs I used to use writeback mode until a forced shut down caused all of my kde config files to be lost. journal_data When the filesystem is mounted with journalling enabled, all data (not just metadata) is committed into the journal prior to being written into the main filesystem. journal_data_ordered When the filesystem is mounted with journalling enabled, all data is forced directly out to the main file system prior to its metadata being committed to the journal. journal_data_writeback When the filesystem is mounted with journalling enabled, data may be written into the main filesystem after its metadata has been committed to the journal. This may increase throughput, however, it may allow old data to appear in files after a crash and journal recovery. Sam From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:39:00 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:39:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers Message-ID: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to be Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. The size and price seem to be reasonably competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and ability to tweak the firewall settings. Any comments will be appreciated. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:46:29 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:46:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51AD0C1D-5D7D-4096-AF01-1A6C5AA909DF@gmail.com> Get a linksys wrt54gl and flash it with dd-wrt. Works like a charm. Ernest de Leon Director of Engineering SecureTek Group On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home > routers. What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet > cards running iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and > uses too much space. > > > I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to > be Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. The size and price seem to be > reasonably competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and > ability to tweak the firewall settings. > > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From luis at luisgarza.com Tue Jun 16 23:19:40 2009 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Tue Jun 16 23:26:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <963929.62163.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I cannot tell you how many times I have been called to help with problems with D-Link routers. They seem to loose their settings no matter who owns them. This can be VERY frustrating when you setup WEP keys, bittorent port forwarding and DMZs. Netgears are really good with wireless. I would rate them a little better than Linksys. But I bet you are hoping to use it for a firewall, port forwards and setting up a DMZ. The easiest one I have used was from CompUSA. It was super easy to setup the DMZ and autologin to zoneedit.com . Originally they had problems with wireless not working. Too bad the problems get corrected when they went out of business and got sold. Currently I use AT&T 2WIRE wireless router. IF I was going to setup a home webserver / mailserver on the AT&T 2WIRE routers DMZ, I really do appreciate its static IP. As for Time Warners, the IP is a dynamic IP address but only changes a few times a year. Time Warner is very good at blocking port 25. AT&T 2WIRE does have it blocked initially but when I called the customer service, they opened up port 25. I find that AT&T 2WIRE is easier to forward ports 21, 22, 25, 80, 443. It also has a menu option for handling ping echos. As for other firewall settings, basically it is either an on or off kinka thing. I think all have a hard to find option to write to a syslog server. Don't expect much for other firewall settings. Luis Garza L.Garza@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Bruce Dubbs To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:39:00 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Routers I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to be Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. The size and price seem to be reasonably competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and ability to tweak the firewall settings. Any comments will be appreciated. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jaret at aberlorn.com Tue Jun 16 23:30:47 2009 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Tue Jun 16 23:30:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <51AD0C1D-5D7D-4096-AF01-1A6C5AA909DF@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> <51AD0C1D-5D7D-4096-AF01-1A6C5AA909DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A387177.4080405@aberlorn.com> I flashed my linksys wrt54gs with dd-wrt and it works great. It's lan is 10/100. ~Jaret Ernest de Leon wrote: > Get a linksys wrt54gl and flash it with dd-wrt. Works like a charm. > > Ernest de Leon > Director of Engineering > SecureTek Group > > On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home >> routers. What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards >> running iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses >> too much space. >> >> >> I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to >> be Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. The size and price seem to be >> reasonably competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and >> ability to tweak the firewall settings. >> >> >> Any comments will be appreciated. >> >> -- Bruce >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 06:56:52 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 17 06:56:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906170456y700ab9e9g22a961470d233d01@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. > ?What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running > iptables. ?This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. > > > I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to be > Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. ?The size and price seem to be reasonably > competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and ability to tweak the > firewall settings. > > > Any comments will be appreciated. Bruce, I use a Linksys WRT54G and a NetGear wireless routers. No problems at all from both of them. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 07:10:55 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 17 07:10:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu AD Users Message-ID: <4A38DD4F.8030405@gmail.com> Tom, et., al.; AD and Common User Questions... I have a Linux Ubuntu box at work that readily logs onto AD and communicates with the full domain and sub-domains. Logging into the local machine, I see that the /home directory is acting pretty much like Winderz Documents and Settings -- creating a sub- /home folder for each sub-domain (after someone from that sub-domain logs in), and an individual /user-home folder within the logged-in user's sub-domain /home folder. The active user gets the house-mark on his /home/sub-domain/user-home folder. All good so far... My first question: Is there any way in all of this, on the machine itself, that I can setup a common applications folder, a'la Windows/Documents and Settings/Default User, wherein any user logging in on the Ubuntu machine will get a common desktop and set of applications -- without having to re-install them for each individual account on the machine? Can this be done on the machine, or need it be done on the server for a specific sub-domain? My second question: What's a good imaging tool (a'la: Ghost), which won't corrupt Grub, that I can use to make image copies of the primary load, and then later use to push that load to several machines at once? Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers; ed From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 07:18:54 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 17 07:18:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu AD Users In-Reply-To: <4A38DD4F.8030405@gmail.com> References: <4A38DD4F.8030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906170518s1e6977f6ld5a0f6685bcfa807@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:10 AM, ed wrote: > My first question: ?Is there any way in all of this, on the machine > itself, that I can setup a common applications folder, a'la > Windows/Documents and Settings/Default User, wherein any user logging in > on the Ubuntu machine will get a common desktop and set of applications > -- without having to re-install them for each individual account on the > machine? ?Can this be done on the machine, or need it be done on the > server for a specific sub-domain? Ed, you can put files and directories in the /etc/skel directory. When a new user is added, the contents of /etc/skel is added to the /home/ directory. I usually put a common .bashrc file and public_html directory (for web access) > My second question: ?What's a good imaging tool (a'la: Ghost), which > won't corrupt Grub, that I can use to make image copies of the primary > load, and then later use to push that load to several machines at once? I use Partimage to make and push a common image to our departmental laptops. Its a server/client model. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 08:10:11 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jun 17 08:10:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. > ?What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running > iptables. ?This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. > > > I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to be > Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. ?The size and price seem to be reasonably > competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and ability to tweak the > firewall settings. > > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > ?-- Bruce About 2-3 months ago I got an Asus WL-520GU, and it has worked well so far. It is set up with little or no tweaking (lazy guy) and worked well out of the box. According to the forums, it seems to have good compatibility with DD-WRT software and has builtin a,b,g WiFi. Around 40 bucks at New egg. Good luck, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jun 17 08:29:45 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jun 17 08:29:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906170456y700ab9e9g22a961470d233d01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906171329.n5HDTjIw029517@biochem.uthscsa.edu> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. > What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running > iptables. =A0This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. ...and power. I am hooked on an older Linksys wrt54GS - I found a v.2 on E-bay for $45 that still has the 216 MHZ processor and 32 MB RAM/8 MB flash for big linux kernels. I am using the HyperWRT/Thibor 3rd party firmware on it and it does everything I need, and does it well and reliably. Highly recommended, if you can find it. Power consumption is just a few watts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrt54gs -b. From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 09:00:22 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Jun 17 09:00:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> This has been stumping me for the better part of a month but..... Does anyone know how to enable QoS in FC9? -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 09:30:17 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jun 17 09:30:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting Video: pdftotext + grep Message-ID: Hi, this was new to me, found on the Linux Foundation site: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1412 HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 09:41:54 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jun 17 09:41:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Interesting Video: pdftotext + grep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0906170741i5c50c5fw9c39905dc9705983@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, ?this was new to me, found on the Linux Foundation site: > > http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1412 That's pretty neat. Thanks for sharing the video! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 10:14:47 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Jun 17 10:14:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <200906171329.n5HDTjIw029517@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <79ec289f0906170456y700ab9e9g22a961470d233d01@mail.gmail.com> <200906171329.n5HDTjIw029517@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <869de8470906170814nc35691ak67a12e1fc75fe01f@mail.gmail.com> My .02c: I have a Linksys v2 WRT54G flashed with DD-WRT and it has worked for me with no issues whatsoever that weren't attributed to user error (I forgot the admin password. :P ) It's great, I can SSH to it just like any other linux box on the network, and it supports WPA encryption and a host of other things that I may delve into at some point. I have another Linksys V2 that has the SD card hack that I have used for a roaming AP for various things like VoIP testing with a trixbox VM, etc. The Linksys boxes themselves are sturdy but I would recommend if you can find the Linksys branded 7Dbi gain antennas, that you do so. I scored a pair in San Antonio's Goodwill at 45/DeZavala a couple of years ago and my entire 2 bedroom apartment has excellent WiFi coverage. I haven't found the need to tweak the TxPower and I doubt that I will need to. I used Linksys a long time ago with some custom antennas to bridge a 1/4 mile gap using directional antennas and a pair of high gain omni antennas thanks to www.fab-corp.com and while the project was ongoing, the wireless link worked exceptionally well. The hardware lasted longer than the project and I'm sure that whoever has them is putting them to good use. FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Borries Demeler wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. >> What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running >> iptables. =A0This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. > > ...and power. > > I am hooked on an older Linksys wrt54GS - I found a v.2 on E-bay for > $45 that still has the 216 MHZ processor and 32 MB RAM/8 MB flash for > big linux kernels. I am using the HyperWRT/Thibor 3rd party firmware > on it and it does everything I need, and does it well and reliably. > Highly recommended, if you can find it. Power consumption is just a > few watts. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrt54gs > > -b. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jun 17 10:26:06 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jun 17 10:26:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade Message-ID: <4A390B0E.50301@lookcee.com> Hi gang, Cheryl got the new mobo and HD I sent her and she was determined to install it herself. It is a ECS PT890T It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express Anyone have any issues with this choice. Her distro is Ubuntu 8.04. She is offline until this problem is fixed. Thanks herb From satlug at net153.net Wed Jun 17 12:06:53 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:06:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4A390B0E.50301@lookcee.com> References: <4A390B0E.50301@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A3922AD.6000905@net153.net> Herb Cee wrote: > Hi gang, Cheryl got the new mobo and HD I sent her and she was > determined to install it herself. It is a ECS PT890T > > It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and > unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send > her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new > > > NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express > > Anyone have any issues with this choice. Her distro is Ubuntu 8.04. She > is offline until this problem is fixed. > Thanks > herb > I know ati has open sourced their drivers so some cards have full 3d acceleration available in X without special drivers. Might be something to look into. Sam From satlug at net153.net Wed Jun 17 12:14:07 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:14:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> Peter Cross wrote: > This has been stumping me for the better part of a month but..... Does > anyone know how to enable QoS in FC9? > What kind of QOS? Network qos is sort of a black art. Not sure how well it works but this guy has a web app that will generate a script that can be customized to one's liking: http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29678&p=248365#p248365 Sam From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 13:43:27 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Jun 17 13:43:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> References: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906171143o5606ff14u55c6ba07df1ac7e@mail.gmail.com> QoS for VOIP. The wife and I use Joi phone at the house and the setup is killing me. I can't vpn into my amahi home server because of the router and Joi phone will not let me change the ports on the router to open so that I can use the vpn software from Amahi. Currently my setup is this: modem > VOIP router > router > server would like to install a second NIC card so that the setup will be similar to this: modem > server > router > VOIP router Not sure how to do it though. Need to enable QoS on the server first (at least that what I think). then see if the networkwill work. Sound feasible or am I way off the mark? Cheers! Peter On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > >> This has been stumping me for the better part of a month but..... Does >> anyone know how to enable QoS in FC9? >> >> > What kind of QOS? Network qos is sort of a black art. > > Not sure how well it works but this guy has a web app that will generate a > script that can be customized to one's liking: > http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29678&p=248365#p248365 > > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:12:23 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:12:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HVR-1600 and MythTV Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> Team, Sent an email a few days ago and didn't get a bite back so I'm resending and hopefully will be more clear. I have a HVR-1600 dual NTSC and ATSC tuner card model Hauppauge model 74551 LF rev C1A3 on Fedora 9. LSPCI | grep cx18 returns the following: 02:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder Under setup in MythTV the card does not show. I have following the instructions from Dale Pontius via the following link: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/384094 Install *HVR-1600* drivers # yum -y install ivtv-firmware # yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r` # yum install mercurial # cd /usr/local/src # hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb # cd v4l-dvb # make && make install # wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz and copy to /lib/firmware Reference: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 Reference: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_(Examples) However the card still will not show. Am I missing one the steps? I did have problems with the second step not working (even when I put in the actual kernal reference and remove the "uname -r" somebody please throw me a bone here what am I missing? Any help is always appreciated! -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:20:01 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:19:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu AD Users In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906170518s1e6977f6ld5a0f6685bcfa807@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A38DD4F.8030405@gmail.com> <79ec289f0906170518s1e6977f6ld5a0f6685bcfa807@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3941E1.4050002@gmail.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:10 AM, ed wrote: > > >> My first question: Is there any way in all of this, on the machine >> itself, that I can setup a common applications folder, a'la >> Windows/Documents and Settings/Default User, wherein any user logging in >> on the Ubuntu machine will get a common desktop and set of applications >> -- without having to re-install them for each individual account on the >> machine? Can this be done on the machine, or need it be done on the >> server for a specific sub-domain? >> Hm. Ok... If I log into the local machine, and put sym-links to apps in the /etc/skel folder, will those show up, either in a menu or on the desktop, and allow a user full access to the app? If so, great. If not, what would I need to do? Same for forcing a common desktop wallpaper image? > >> My second question: What's a good imaging tool (a'la: Ghost), which >> won't corrupt Grub, that I can use to make image copies of the primary >> load, and then later use to push that load to several machines at once? >> > > I use Partimage to make and push a common image to our departmental > laptops. Its a server/client model. > Is this a Linux based app? I tried ZenWorks, and it totally screwed-up the Grub boot-loader in the server Ubuntu box... (I'll Google it anyway, thanks!) Cheers; Ed From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 17 14:22:42 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:22:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906171143o5606ff14u55c6ba07df1ac7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> <7c63fb3d0906171143o5606ff14u55c6ba07df1ac7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2qfi35d807chu2jvfkh9at3fcp8ko29ov6@4ax.com> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:43:27 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: >Currently my setup is this: >modem > VOIP router > router > server > >would like to install a second NIC card so that the setup will be similar to >this: >modem > server > router > VOIP router Why not this: modem > router (under your control) > VOIP router > phones > server > other computers Connect all devices to a router you can control, treating the VOIP stuff as just another Internet device plugged into the main router. You'll also plug your server and other computers in the house into the main router, leaving the VOIP device as just a phone jack. That way you don't need to tamper with any OS settings, just use the features of the main router which is fully under your control. --Don -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:26:32 2009 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:26:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lenovo IdeaPad with Linux & Sprint Broadband Card Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> I received an e-mail asking for help with a Sprint Broadband card to get it to run under a Lenovo IdeaPad running LInux. She took it to Geek Squad and they couldn't get them to work together. (Surprise, Surprise) Do any SATLUGers know of someone who could help her get this working? I can't believe that no one has tried and gotten one of these to work. Jim From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:29:58 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:30:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <2qfi35d807chu2jvfkh9at3fcp8ko29ov6@4ax.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> <7c63fb3d0906171143o5606ff14u55c6ba07df1ac7e@mail.gmail.com> <2qfi35d807chu2jvfkh9at3fcp8ko29ov6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906171229h5c73266fvd8730d7c9a01538@mail.gmail.com> I've tried that and for some reason the VOIP router will not work behind my router (I don't get why it doesn't I've opened all appropriate ports and enabled QoS in the router). The router is a DI-524 A2 Old but still works well. There hasn't been a firmware upgrade in 4 years. That may be the problem but I also haven't found a 3rd party router firmware that works with that old of DLink routers. Any suggestions? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:43:27 -0500, Peter Cross > wrote: > > >Currently my setup is this: > >modem > VOIP router > router > server > > > >would like to install a second NIC card so that the setup will be similar > to > >this: > >modem > server > router > VOIP router > > Why not this: > modem > router (under your control) > VOIP router > phones > > server > > other computers > > Connect all devices to a router you can control, treating the VOIP stuff > as just another Internet device plugged into the main router. You'll > also plug your server and other computers in the house into the main > router, leaving the VOIP device as just a phone jack. > > That way you don't need to tamper with any OS settings, just use the > features of the main router which is fully under your control. --Don > > -- > A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:47:17 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Wed Jun 17 14:47:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lenovo IdeaPad with Linux & Sprint Broadband Card In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81770B5F-72C3-4145-96A0-AEB90343FBCF@gmail.com> Mine works right out of the box with ubuntu 9.04...what distri is she using? Ernest On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Jim Wells wrote: > I received an e-mail asking for help with a Sprint Broadband card to > get it > to run under a Lenovo IdeaPad running LInux. She took it to Geek > Squad and > they couldn't get them to work together. (Surprise, Surprise) Do any > SATLUGers know of someone who could help her get this working? I > can't > believe that no one has tried and gotten one of these to work. > > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 14:39:55 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 15:19:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin Message-ID: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. http://unite.opera.com/ looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with promise Todd From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 15:29:51 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Jun 17 15:29:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: The firefox extension POW (plain old webserver) has been around for years now. I'm not sure how much farther Unite takes the concept (I'm sure there is some difference), but the concept of sharing files from the browser via a webserver within a web browser is not new. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, redpill-roamer wrote: > all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. > http://unite.opera.com/ > > looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with > promise > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jun 17 15:49:57 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jun 17 15:50:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4A3922AD.6000905@net153.net> References: <4A390B0E.50301@lookcee.com> <4A3922AD.6000905@net153.net> Message-ID: <4A3956F5.6020206@lookcee.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > Herb Cee wrote: >> Hi gang, Cheryl got the new mobo and HD I sent her and she was >> determined to install it herself. It is a ECS PT890T >> >> It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and >> unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send >> her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new >> >> >> NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express >> >> Anyone have any issues with this choice. Her distro is Ubuntu 8.04. >> She is offline until this problem is fixed. >> Thanks >> herb >> > > I know ati has open sourced their drivers so some cards have full 3d > acceleration available in X without special drivers. Might be > something to look into. > > Sam Yeah, but what I want to know is will this NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express card work out of the box for Cheryl. She is not a tech, she is not a programmer but she can install the card into the PCI-x slot and plug it in. Does anyone run this card? Will she have to do anything other than boot it up? herb From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Jun 17 16:05:55 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Jun 17 16:06:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade Message-ID: <1323fd28a5d247dba5968fac8e26d8e6.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and >unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send >her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new >NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Since you say it fried again, I'd be concerned as to why it fried twice, specifically why, when and how it occurred. Are they new, used, or refurbished? I've experienced this once, but only after it had up and running a few weeks. Am sure a _buntu user will answer the OS question. Lou From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jun 17 17:02:56 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:02:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade In-Reply-To: <1323fd28a5d247dba5968fac8e26d8e6.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <1323fd28a5d247dba5968fac8e26d8e6.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4A396810.5060509@lookcee.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and >> unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send >> her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new >> NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Since you say it fried again, I'd be concerned as to why it fried twice, > specifically why, when and how it occurred. > > Are they new, used, or refurbished? I've experienced this once, but > only after it had up and running a few weeks. > > Am sure a _buntu user will answer the OS question. > > Lou > > Lou the first card ran long enough for me to set the CMOS ok and went on for a full boot but next day I got nothing not even a splash screen. I returned it and they (Sparten Tech) dragged out replacement for 3weeks but then it ran fine for 3 days and nights, I installed several software packages with no problems so thinking it stable, I broke it down and sent it to Cheryl. It fails to boot, no splash with either an LCD or a CRT monitor. It is an ATI but I forget the mod #. Thats all the info I have on it. Handling was careful and was packed in anti static bags herb From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 17:09:07 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:09:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245276548.11056.6.camel@redpill-laptop> That may be but it seems to me (and I have only been playing with it for the last couple of hours) that having a webserver, media streamer and chat server, all from the same interface is quite useful. Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > The firefox extension POW (plain old webserver) has been around for years > now. I'm not sure how much farther Unite takes the concept (I'm sure there > is some difference), but the concept of sharing files from the browser via a > webserver within a web browser is not new. > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, redpill-roamer wrote: > > > all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. > > http://unite.opera.com/ > > > > looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with > > promise > > > > Todd > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 17:12:25 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:12:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4A3956F5.6020206@lookcee.com> References: <4A390B0E.50301@lookcee.com> <4A3922AD.6000905@net153.net> <4A3956F5.6020206@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1245276745.11056.10.camel@redpill-laptop> if you are using ubuntu 8.04 it should see it no problem. when she first boots up there should be a notification in here sys tray that she has restricted drivers available. follow the gui and a reboot and she should be gtg. good buy on the card btw while ATI is now opensource the quailty of there linux drivers has never been as good as Nvidia's. Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:49 -0500, Herb Cee wrote: > Samuel Leon wrote: > > Herb Cee wrote: > >> Hi gang, Cheryl got the new mobo and HD I sent her and she was > >> determined to install it herself. It is a ECS PT890T > >> > >> It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and > >> unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send > >> her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new > >> > >> > >> NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express > >> > >> Anyone have any issues with this choice. Her distro is Ubuntu 8.04. > >> She is offline until this problem is fixed. > >> Thanks > >> herb > >> > > > > I know ati has open sourced their drivers so some cards have full 3d > > acceleration available in X without special drivers. Might be > > something to look into. > > > > Sam > Yeah, but what I want to know is will this NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video > Card 256MB DVI PCI Express card work out of the box for Cheryl. She is > not a tech, she is not a programmer but she can install the card into > the PCI-x slot and plug it in. Does anyone run this card? Will she have > to do anything other than boot it up? > herb From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 17:15:41 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:15:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on Cheryl Upgrade In-Reply-To: <4A396810.5060509@lookcee.com> References: <1323fd28a5d247dba5968fac8e26d8e6.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <4A396810.5060509@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1245276941.11056.13.camel@redpill-laptop> if it is a ATI card I would double check on a win box just to be sure its not a linux/ati issue. past that and I would say to check the voltages on your MoBo and power supply Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:02 -0500, Herb Cee wrote: > scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >> It took Cheryl 14hrs to finally get the old out and the new in and > >> unfortunately the Video card fried for the 2nd time so I want to send > >> her a replacement card I can get a good price ($24)on a new > >> NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS Video Card 256MB DVI PCI Express > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Since you say it fried again, I'd be concerned as to why it fried twice, > > specifically why, when and how it occurred. > > > > Are they new, used, or refurbished? I've experienced this once, but > > only after it had up and running a few weeks. > > > > Am sure a _buntu user will answer the OS question. > > > > Lou > > > > > Lou the first card ran long enough for me to set the CMOS ok and went on > for a full boot but next day I got nothing not even a splash screen. I > returned it and they (Sparten Tech) dragged out replacement for 3weeks > but then it ran fine for 3 days and nights, I installed several software > packages with no problems so thinking it stable, I broke it down and > sent it to Cheryl. It fails to boot, no splash with either an LCD or a > CRT monitor. It is an ATI but I forget the mod #. Thats all the info I > have on it. Handling was careful and was packed in anti static bags > herb From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jun 17 17:33:53 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:33:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lenovo IdeaPad with Linux & Sprint Broadband Card In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906171533k161683d4n98ce6489ed787cef@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:26, Jim Wells wrote: > I received an e-mail asking for help with a Sprint Broadband card to get it > to run under a Lenovo IdeaPad running LInux. 1st, the card MUST be "activated" by a windows box (can be a VM, as all the cards use either direct USB or PCMCIA/ExpressCard to USB hardware configurations). Once activated, it can be used on Mac/Lin. Then it depends which card it is and how new the Kernel is. It will use one of 3 different drivers, and if the proper IDs are compiled into the drivers (I had to do this by hand with older kernel/newer card combos.) You can also use modprobe options when you load the driver so that it binds to the device. IIRC sprint has Linux instructions for how to explicity load the driver with the proper IDs (Vendor/Model). Once the driver is loaded and the device file is properly appearing (/dev/ttyUSBx or similar), the next step is to "dial-up" just like with a classic modem, but instead of a usual phone number, you use #777 and the username assigned at activation (Does not seem to matter to sprint, just to the software doing the connections. The newer versions of NetworkMangler handle this type of modem automatically once the driver is configured properly. > She took it to Geek Squad and they couldn't get them to work together. > (Surprise, Surprise) Politically, they are correct; technically they are not. > Do any SATLUGers know of someone who could help her get this working? Sure. I have used most of sprint's aircard models with linux at one point or another. Pass her contact info along (offline) and I will knock it out. > I can't believe that no one has tried and gotten one of these to work. Agreed. There was a couple threads a while back about this exact thing and several of us got different models working on different distros. Jim > HTH, jp From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jun 17 17:45:38 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jun 17 17:45:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HVR-1600 and MythTV In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906171545h3b7a5800x5f60705a3587f26f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:12, Peter Cross wrote: > Team, > Sent an email a few days ago and didn't get a bite back so I'm resending > and > hopefully will be more clear. > > I have a HVR-1600 dual NTSC and ATSC tuner card model Hauppauge model 74551 > LF rev C1A3 on Fedora 9. > > LSPCI | grep cx18 returns the following: > > 02:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 > Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio > Decoder > > Under setup in MythTV the card does not show. I have following the > instructions from Dale Pontius via the following link: > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/384094 > > Install *HVR-1600* drivers > # yum -y install ivtv-firmware > # yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r` > # yum install mercurial > # cd /usr/local/src > # hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb > # cd v4l-dvb > # make && make install > # wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz and > copy > to /lib/firmware > Reference: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 > Reference: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_(Examples) > > However the card still will not show. Am I missing one the steps? I did > have > problems with the second step not working (even when I put in the actual > kernal reference and remove the "uname -r" > I don't personally use either, but the SageTV forums (go to the Linux OEM thread and search for posts by bcjenkins. I know he runs several of them. I run the PVR-500, and the steps are similar. It is important to be a little more agressive with the removal of the old drivers (IVTV, v4l_*, *compat*) etc. Especially if you are running 64-bit. add the following: `rm -Rf /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/` Run that before you do the `make install` IIRC there are some issues with the analog port of the 1600, but the digital side works well. > somebody please throw me a bone here what am I missing? Any help is always > appreciated! Sorry that I cannot be more help, but I have not played with the 1600 enough (and I will probably go with an HDHomeRun over a PCI formfactor in the near future. If I bump into more info, I will pass it along... jp From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 18:35:45 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 18:35:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HVR-1600 and MythTV In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245281745.11056.15.camel@redpill-laptop> did you by any chance load the new module you went through the trouble of creating? I only ask because3 you did not have it listed in your steps. Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:12 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Team, > Sent an email a few days ago and didn't get a bite back so I'm resending and > hopefully will be more clear. > > I have a HVR-1600 dual NTSC and ATSC tuner card model Hauppauge model 74551 > LF rev C1A3 on Fedora 9. > > LSPCI | grep cx18 returns the following: > > 02:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 > Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio > Decoder > > Under setup in MythTV the card does not show. I have following the > instructions from Dale Pontius via the following link: > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/384094 > > Install *HVR-1600* drivers > # yum -y install ivtv-firmware > # yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r` > # yum install mercurial > # cd /usr/local/src > # hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb > # cd v4l-dvb > # make && make install > # wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz and copy > to /lib/firmware > Reference: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 > Reference: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_(Examples) > > However the card still will not show. Am I missing one the steps? I did have > problems with the second step not working (even when I put in the actual > kernal reference and remove the "uname -r" > > somebody please throw me a bone here what am I missing? Any help is always > appreciated! > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 18:43:25 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 18:43:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HVR-1600 and MythTV In-Reply-To: <1245281745.11056.15.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7c63fb3d0906171212w5a2aac36odefc99ba7c0c71b2@mail.gmail.com> <1245281745.11056.15.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245282205.11056.16.camel@redpill-laptop> also, I know that you dont use ubuntu but check out there forums they might have some good leads. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142113 Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 18:35 -0500, redpill-roamer wrote: > did you by any chance load the new module you went through the trouble > of creating? I only ask because3 you did not have it listed in your > steps. > > Todd > > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:12 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > > Team, > > Sent an email a few days ago and didn't get a bite back so I'm resending and > > hopefully will be more clear. > > > > I have a HVR-1600 dual NTSC and ATSC tuner card model Hauppauge model 74551 > > LF rev C1A3 on Fedora 9. > > > > LSPCI | grep cx18 returns the following: > > > > 02:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 > > Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio > > Decoder > > > > Under setup in MythTV the card does not show. I have following the > > instructions from Dale Pontius via the following link: > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/384094 > > > > Install *HVR-1600* drivers > > # yum -y install ivtv-firmware > > # yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r` > > # yum install mercurial > > # cd /usr/local/src > > # hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb > > # cd v4l-dvb > > # make && make install > > # wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz and copy > > to /lib/firmware > > Reference: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 > > Reference: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_(Examples) > > > > However the card still will not show. Am I missing one the steps? I did have > > problems with the second step not working (even when I put in the actual > > kernal reference and remove the "uname -r" > > > > somebody please throw me a bone here what am I missing? Any help is always > > appreciated! > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Peter J. Cross > > San Antonio, TX > > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 18:45:18 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Jun 17 18:45:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: <1245276548.11056.6.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> <1245276548.11056.6.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: Agreed...I do like the concept. I've been using POW for a while for web development and intranet hosted files (within my home). I'm curious to see how Opera extended this. E On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM, redpill-roamer wrote: > That may be but it seems to me (and I have only been playing with it for > the last couple of hours) that having a webserver, media streamer and > chat server, all from the same interface is quite useful. > > Todd > > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > The firefox extension POW (plain old webserver) has been around for years > > now. I'm not sure how much farther Unite takes the concept (I'm sure > there > > is some difference), but the concept of sharing files from the browser > via a > > webserver within a web browser is not new. > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, redpill-roamer >wrote: > > > > > all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. > > > http://unite.opera.com/ > > > > > > looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with > > > promise > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 17 19:42:40 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:42:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A398D80.7040608@satx.rr.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home > routers. What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards > running iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too > much space. > > I've been looking on line and the most frequently mentioned seem to be > Linksys, Netgear, and D-Link. The size and price seem to be > reasonably competitive. What I am interested in is reliability and > ability to tweak the firewall settings. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > -- Bruce I'm using a Netgear 318FVS, and it has worked flawlessly for me since I got it. I had no need for wireless connections, but I did need something that would handle PPPOE (so I could VPN into my employer's company network) and would have enough ports to handle all of the CAT5 connections I have (or will) put in inside my house. As far as tweaking settings is concerned, I did only the most basic things (passwords, setting valid IP ranges, etc.) so far. I would still recommend it, though. Al Lesmerises From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 17 19:52:14 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:52:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> <1245276548.11056.6.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A398FBE.2070606@satx.rr.com> But it seems that some of the "pros" on the various Computer magazine sites (like PCMag, Infoweek, etc. -- I can't remember specifically which ones right now) seem to think this is a bad idea. They cite basic network security issues, blocking by firewalls and anti-virus/anti-spyware software, etc., as reasons it won't succeed. Al Lesmerises Ernest De Leon wrote: > Agreed...I do like the concept. I've been using POW for a while for web > development and intranet hosted files (within my home). I'm curious to see > how Opera extended this. > > E > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM, redpill-roamer wrote: > > >> That may be but it seems to me (and I have only been playing with it for >> the last couple of hours) that having a webserver, media streamer and >> chat server, all from the same interface is quite useful. >> >> Todd >> >> On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> >>> The firefox extension POW (plain old webserver) has been around for years >>> now. I'm not sure how much farther Unite takes the concept (I'm sure >>> >> there >> >>> is some difference), but the concept of sharing files from the browser >>> >> via a >> >>> webserver within a web browser is not new. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, redpill-roamer >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. >>>> http://unite.opera.com/ >>>> >>>> looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with >>>> promise >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jun 17 20:47:05 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jun 17 20:47:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Routers In-Reply-To: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> References: <4A386554.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906172047.05654.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 16 June 2009 10:39:00 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am interested in experiences that SATLuggers have had with home routers. > What I have been using is an old PC with two Ethernet cards running > iptables. This functions fine but is a bit noisy and uses too much space. I see an almost unanimous vote for the Linksys WRT54g's.. which I too have at my house. Just not on the outer edge of my network. I have some long trusted precepts about security. One of my big security beliefs is that "Off the Shelf Security is an oxymoron". After all, if someone scans your edge router and can ID it as a well known firewall device or OTS system.. then their target has been identified, known, and can be studies and dissected. Now.. depending on what they can identify will indicate the best attack vector to get in. That being said.. reflashing such a device (as we've all discussed) with an alternate WRIT distro is a good first step to get away from that OTS mode of operation. I too run a WRT54G on ddwrt (further in on my network). While I know that you can do a lot with WRT54Gs (adding a SD card interface, applications, serial console, etc...) for MY edge device, I run a cheap, underclocked 500MHz AMD K6 (CPU fan removed) with three NICs (Int, Ext, and DMZ), an internal switch, and a CD-ROM. This functions as both my router, firewall, caching DNS server, and DHCP server, all running under the Devil Linux (http://www.devil-linux.org/) live firewall CD distro. The whole distro boots from CD-ROM (read only obviously).. and the configs are all stored on write protected USB flash drive. Devil Linux and it is very configurable, has a ton of preconfigured daemons you can run (if you're ok with running daemons on a edge/firewall device), and in my near-zero moving parts config, generally runs years without reboots (never actually rebooted it.. just powered back up when the UPS fails or runs out). I like this config because it's rock solid (physically/thermally), it definitely NOT "OTS", and is VERY secure -- in that even if someone WERE able to compromise the config.. a quick power cycle clears any traces of an intruder.. and can be immediately rebooted, and a "system upgrade" consists of ejecting the old version, inserting the new version and rebooting (reading the configs off flash). Anyway.. if anyone's interested.. I've done multiple presentations on doing your own Devil Linux based system. See here: http://xcssa.org/files/XCSSA-SOHO-Firewall-DMZ-Web/img0.html (based on Chapter 7 of "Linux Toys II" that I wrote for) I like that the Devil Linux doesn't abstract me from the actual security of the device role (plus you're almost guaranteed to learn some cool stuff). While you can use DLs cool little ncurses menu to select a default 2-NIC and 3-NIC configuration.. DL encourages you to dig into the firewall config file (very well documented bash start script) and by doing so, really understand and control the innards of exactly what your security is comprised of.. step by step and port by port. In other point-n-click firewall systems.. you don't so much KNOW the inner workings of your security device as much as you just trust that someone else has properly set it all up and secured the back end for you (and that their intentions are pure). With DL, your security really is in your control. While DDWRT CAN allow you to do this.. the GUI attracts the lazy, less secure side in us all.. ;) Which leads to my second belief about security... you can't effectively trust a system that someone else has built for you. Or if you do choose to do so, there are specific certainties that you surrender in the process. I'm not saying that everyone should build their own router/firewall from scratch.. (or use "Linux from Scratch" as I'm sure you're inclined Dr. Bruce ;).. but I DO encourage people to THINK about these issues and what they represent in the real of actual security. All this being said.. the WRT54G IS a great little unit if re-flashed with something like DDWRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/) or Tomato (http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato)... and I WOULD probably trust it as a network edge device in a home, or other unclassified environment.. However I wouldn't trust it for serving reliable DHCP service in my home, much less in a production environment. Even with DDWRT in place.. I've seen the DHCP daemon (on that platform) lock up or stop issuing IPs in a number of different environments. So if you are going to use it as your edge device, I would at least run DHCPd on another HA server inside your network. Okay.. I've blathered on too much.. Tweeks From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jun 17 21:50:23 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-roamer) Date: Wed Jun 17 21:50:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: <4A398FBE.2070606@satx.rr.com> References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> <1245276548.11056.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A398FBE.2070606@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1245293423.11056.22.camel@redpill-laptop> I don't know about the security issues but those definitely need to be looked at more closely. but if you need the ability to quickly set up a website and you need that website to be mobile this could serve as a solution. I sure think some of the students in Iran could use something like this. Yeah for the decentralization of information! granted that is a rather small demographic but the ability to have a small and simple website without having to worry about finding someone to host the site is also a plus. Todd On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 19:52 -0500, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > But it seems that some of the "pros" on the various Computer magazine > sites (like PCMag, Infoweek, etc. -- I can't remember specifically which > ones right now) seem to think this is a bad idea. They cite basic > network security issues, blocking by firewalls and > anti-virus/anti-spyware software, etc., as reasons it won't succeed. > > Al Lesmerises > > > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > Agreed...I do like the concept. I've been using POW for a while for web > > development and intranet hosted files (within my home). I'm curious to see > > how Opera extended this. > > > > E > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM, redpill-roamer wrote: > > > > > >> That may be but it seems to me (and I have only been playing with it for > >> the last couple of hours) that having a webserver, media streamer and > >> chat server, all from the same interface is quite useful. > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:29 -0500, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> > >>> The firefox extension POW (plain old webserver) has been around for years > >>> now. I'm not sure how much farther Unite takes the concept (I'm sure > >>> > >> there > >> > >>> is some difference), but the concept of sharing files from the browser > >>> > >> via a > >> > >>> webserver within a web browser is not new. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, redpill-roamer >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. > >>>> http://unite.opera.com/ > >>>> > >>>> looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with > >>>> promise > >>>> > >>>> Todd > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >>>> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >> > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 17 23:27:01 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 17 23:27:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu AD Users In-Reply-To: <4A3941E1.4050002@gmail.com> References: <4A38DD4F.8030405@gmail.com> <79ec289f0906170518s1e6977f6ld5a0f6685bcfa807@mail.gmail.com> <4A3941E1.4050002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A39C215.1020202@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ed wrote: > > > Jeremy Mann wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:10 AM, ed wrote: >> >> >>> My first question: Is there any way in all of this, on the machine >>> itself, that I can setup a common applications folder, a'la >>> Windows/Documents and Settings/Default User, wherein any user >>> logging in >>> on the Ubuntu machine will get a common desktop and set of applications >>> -- without having to re-install them for each individual account on the >>> machine? Can this be done on the machine, or need it be done on the >>> server for a specific sub-domain? >>> > Hm. Ok... If I log into the local machine, and put sym-links to apps > in the /etc/skel folder, will those show up, either in a menu or on > the desktop, and allow a user full access to the app? If so, great. > If not, what would I need to do? Same for forcing a common desktop > wallpaper image? Not exactly, Ed. What /etc/skel contains are the files that you want each user to have, when a new user account is created with useradd -m {username} Also, at least it's been my experience, that when you add a user, you don't automatically add them to the mail system. Which means, if you're using a mail server on that same box, you'll have to go into /etc/mail/access (I think - maybe mailertable - can't quite get to it from here) and edit it to add the new username, then run 'make' in the dir to reconfigure the mail files, then stop and restart your mail program. That's how it works for me using sendmail and postfix. Someone feel free to update us on the 'proper' way of doing things. -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jun 17 23:47:45 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jun 17 23:47:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DVR harddrive Message-ID: <4A39C6F1.20200@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Does anyone know what sort of OS the TimeWarner DVR drives are using? I finally convinced my 73 year old mother to drop TW/RR, and go with AT&T for phone, tv and internet. Saved her around $100/mo on her fixed (so you can't live) income. She hasn't given the DVR box back to TW yet, and had some shows she recorded saved on there and wanted to know if it were possible to get 'em off before she gave up the box. I said "Sure, it's possible!" knowing there was a big thread about it here a year or so ago... Principals were Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy and (I think) Borries. Perhaps Dr. Bruce was in on that, as well. What's the bottom line? Open the box, pull the drive, connect it a PC (with some sort of adapter, I'm ass/u/me'ing) and read the drive? what format is it in? Fat32, NTFS, ext3? I'm guessing this is fairly typical of all cable systems, that offer dvr/tivo. -Geoff From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:39:34 2009 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Thu Jun 18 00:39:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lenovo IdeaPad with Linux & Sprint Broadband Card In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450906171533k161683d4n98ce6489ed787cef@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0906171226m7da933b9p8553ed9f86d02d33@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450906171533k161683d4n98ce6489ed787cef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0906172239s37826d57s596b8f4934a48109@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:33 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:26, Jim Wells wrote: > > > I received an e-mail asking for help with a Sprint Broadband card to get > it > > to run under a Lenovo IdeaPad running LInux. > > > 1st, the card MUST be "activated" by a windows box (can be a VM, as all the > cards use either direct USB or PCMCIA/ExpressCard to USB hardware > configurations). Once activated, it can be used on Mac/Lin. > > Then it depends which card it is and how new the Kernel is. It will use > one > of 3 different drivers, and if the proper IDs are compiled into the drivers > (I had to do this by hand with older kernel/newer card combos.) You can > also use modprobe options when you load the driver so that it binds to the > device. IIRC sprint has Linux instructions for how to explicity load the > driver with the proper IDs (Vendor/Model). > > Once the driver is loaded and the device file is properly appearing > (/dev/ttyUSBx or similar), the next step is to "dial-up" just like with a > classic modem, but instead of a usual phone number, you use #777 and the > username assigned at activation (Does not seem to matter to sprint, just to > the software doing the connections. > > The newer versions of NetworkMangler handle this type of modem > automatically > once the driver is configured properly. > > > > She took it to Geek Squad and they couldn't get them to work together. > > (Surprise, Surprise) > > > Politically, they are correct; technically they are not. > > > > Do any SATLUGers know of someone who could help her get this working? > > > Sure. I have used most of sprint's aircard models with linux at one point > or another. Pass her contact info along (offline) and I will knock it out. > > > > I can't believe that no one has tried and gotten one of these to work. > > > Agreed. There was a couple threads a while back about this exact thing and > several of us got different models working on different distros. > > Jim > > > > HTH, > jp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Here is the link to Sprint for how to install the card in Linux.. http://www6.sprint.com/downloads/linux/pdfs/Sprint_Mobile_broadband_Setup_Guide_for_Linux.pdf Zeb From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:53:58 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jun 18 00:54:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Opera browser with webserver builtin In-Reply-To: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245267595.3815.2.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <200906180053.58837.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 June 2009 14:39:55 redpill-roamer wrote: > all I have to say is about time someone went a did this. > http://unite.opera.com/ > > looks to still be largely developmental but definitely something with > promise > > Todd > > It's a bit glitchy, but looks promising. I use opera anyway and this release seems more stable than the previous build of version 10 which I have been using for a few weeks. I had trouble returning to my unite page after the first visit to it and found that I needed to stop and restart unite to get back to it. I have not yet shared any content, so I cannot comment on the sharing services, but it looks like it will be quite good. The unite service can be started and stopped at will and will link to your my.opera.com account (which, if you don't have one already, gets created when you create the unite account). From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jun 18 16:25:21 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:25:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QoS in Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906171229h5c73266fvd8730d7c9a01538@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906170700k114fb667nb0fcc5d10e8796e0@mail.gmail.com> <4A39245F.4020502@net153.net> <7c63fb3d0906171143o5606ff14u55c6ba07df1ac7e@mail.gmail.com> <2qfi35d807chu2jvfkh9at3fcp8ko29ov6@4ax.com> <7c63fb3d0906171229h5c73266fvd8730d7c9a01538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906181425u7414c935pf283e89bf3635d97@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:29, Peter Cross wrote: > I've tried that and for some reason the VOIP router will not work behind my > router (I don't get why it doesn't I've opened all appropriate ports and > enabled QoS in the router). I connt form a complete picture of the setup, but is the "Voip router" an actual router with phone jacks, or is it an ATA (analog telephone adapter) that has a LAN interface and a Phone jack or two? I use a M0n0wall firewall with traffic shaping (voip has a priority queue, while BitTorrent has the lowest). There are some routers that have a QoS capability that may work. You could also get a newer router to allow the QoS. > The router is a DI-524 A2 Old but still works > well. There hasn't been a firmware upgrade in 4 years. That may be the > problem but I also haven't found a 3rd party router firmware that works > with > that old of DLink routers. > > Any suggestions? If you are going to throw your server into the data path as a (essentially) firewall, then you can use TrafficShaper (or mastershaper for a WebGUI) to allow for a network queueing system that will pass Voip before other traffic. > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Don Wright wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:43:27 -0500, Peter Cross > > wrote: > > > > >Currently my setup is this: > > >modem > VOIP router > router > server > > > > > >would like to install a second NIC card so that the setup will be > similar > > to > > >this: > > >modem > server > router > VOIP router > > > > Why not this: > > modem > router (under your control) > VOIP router > phones > > > server > > > other computers > > > > Connect all devices to a router you can control, treating the VOIP stuff > > as just another Internet device plugged into the main router. You'll > > also plug your server and other computers in the house into the main > > router, leaving the VOIP device as just a phone jack. > > > > That way you don't need to tamper with any OS settings, just use the > > features of the main router which is fully under your control. --Don > > > > -- > > A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 16:39:25 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:39:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW Message-ID: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> I just moved and have been going through my old stuff. I have a lot of old computers, some working, some not, that I'd like to throw out. How do others on the list handle this? If someone can use this stuff, I'd love to give it away. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 16:41:45 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:41:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW In-Reply-To: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> References: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: usually they just OT: it, list it and let it rip On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I just moved and have been going through my old stuff. I have a lot of old > computers, some working, some not, that I'd like to throw out. > > How do others on the list handle this? If someone can use this stuff, I'd > love to give it away. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Thu Jun 18 16:42:47 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:42:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DVR harddrive In-Reply-To: <4A39C6F1.20200@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A39C6F1.20200@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450906181442l1f9aaa1cld234d578d9b06620@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 23:47, Geoff wrote: > Does anyone know what sort of OS the TimeWarner DVR drives are using? > No, but I am SURE that custom drives make no financial sense. My bet is PATA. > She hasn't given the DVR box back to TW yet, and had some shows she > recorded saved on there and wanted to know if it were possible to get > 'em off before she gave up the box. I said "Sure, it's possible!" > knowing there was a big thread about it here a year or so ago... May be possible, but maybe not probable. I am nearly certain that the most time effective way to get the shows she wants is going to be BitTorrent vi BTJunkie.org or the like. The other way would be to leverage the analog hole (Video capture to VCR, DVDR, or Tuner Card). Anyway, I have a couple hacked DirecTV Tivo systems, and in their native format, they save files encoded/encrypted/bitshifted format. Once you hack the box (pull drive out, follow some instuctions using a special CDROM that can mount the bitshifted Filesystems, you can hack the tivo kernels (there is a primary and secondary system partition to allow for system upgrades, upgrades the offline system partition, filps the boot order and reboots to the new system) leaving the old system on the now offline partition. The system partitions were RO ext2 but the video FS was a custom userspace filesystem. Could not retrive videos recorded before the hack though (still encrypted). > What's the bottom line? Open the box, pull the drive, connect it a PC > (with some sort of adapter, I'm ass/u/me'ing) and read the drive? > what format is it in? Fat32, NTFS, ext3? > In theory, that is true. Depending on the version of software that the PVR runs, the format may or may not be a standard linux FS, but it is nearly garanteed that the streams are encrypted, regardless of the format. If they OEM Tivo, then you will have to research whether the encrypted ty streams have been cracked; they had not been when I was using the tivos 3+ years ago. > I'm guessing this is fairly typical of all cable systems, that offer > dvr/tivo. Most do use an embedded linux since developing a custom embedded OS is non-trivial nor (usually) cost-effective. HTH, jp From luis at luisgarza.com Thu Jun 18 18:55:02 2009 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Thu Jun 18 18:55:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW In-Reply-To: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> References: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <433982.52288.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about at the next meeting we have a bring your junk day!!! We can bring working and non-working computers and give or trade away. Luis Garza L.Garza@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Bruce Dubbs To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:39:25 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW I just moved and have been going through my old stuff. I have a lot of old computers, some working, some not, that I'd like to throw out. How do others on the list handle this? If someone can use this stuff, I'd love to give it away. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 20:18:04 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Thu Jun 18 20:18:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sort of OT: funny Unix article Message-ID: Hello, I found this funny article about "rm -rf /" here: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html. One of the sysadmins was definitely a dolt. -Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing? now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 20:32:03 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Jun 18 20:32:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DVR harddrive In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450906181442l1f9aaa1cld234d578d9b06620@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A39C6F1.20200@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4c0ec4450906181442l1f9aaa1cld234d578d9b06620@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470906181832y1c1a665al17588b090cf450c3@mail.gmail.com> As someone that used to work for the evil cable empire, I can tell you that they are encrypted. If the TW service has been disconnected already, it's useless now. As soon as those boxes go live on TW's cable plant, they will get the update from the headend snd shut off. As far as a filesystem based attack, I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do, if I remember correctly, the SA DVRs use an encrypted filesystem. I don't remember if TW was running SA and motorola DVRs in San Antonio, but I do know the SA 8300 series DVRs from a hardware perspective. :( Although, if you do find a way, let me know. :) I love being proven wrong as long as I can learn from it. FIRESTORM_v1 On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 23:47, Geoff wrote: > >> Does anyone know what sort of OS the TimeWarner DVR drives are using? >> > > No, but I am SURE that custom drives make no financial sense. ?My bet is > PATA. > > >> She hasn't given the DVR box back to TW yet, and had some shows she >> recorded saved on there and wanted to know if it were possible to get >> 'em off before she gave up the box. ?I said "Sure, it's possible!" >> knowing there was a big thread about it here a year or so ago... > > > May be possible, but maybe not probable. ?I am nearly certain that the most > time effective way to get the shows she wants is going to be BitTorrent vi > BTJunkie.org or the like. ?The other way would be to leverage the analog > hole (Video capture to VCR, DVDR, or Tuner Card). > > Anyway, I have a couple hacked DirecTV Tivo systems, and in their native > format, they save files encoded/encrypted/bitshifted format. ?Once you hack > the box (pull drive out, follow some instuctions using a special CDROM that > can mount the bitshifted Filesystems, you can hack the tivo kernels (there > is a primary and secondary system partition to allow for system upgrades, > upgrades the offline system partition, filps the boot order and reboots to > the new system) leaving the old system on the now offline partition. > > The system partitions were RO ext2 but the video FS was a custom userspace > filesystem. > > Could not retrive videos recorded before the hack though (still encrypted). > > >> What's the bottom line? ?Open the box, pull the drive, connect it a PC >> (with some sort of adapter, I'm ass/u/me'ing) and read the drive? >> what format is it in? ?Fat32, NTFS, ext3? >> > > In theory, that is true. ?Depending on the version of software that the PVR > runs, the format may or may not be a standard linux FS, but it is nearly > garanteed that the streams are encrypted, regardless of the format. > > If they OEM Tivo, then you will have to research whether the encrypted ty > streams have been cracked; they had not been when I was using the tivos 3+ > years ago. > > >> I'm guessing this is fairly typical of all cable systems, that offer >> dvr/tivo. > > > Most do use an embedded linux since developing a custom embedded OS is > non-trivial nor (usually) cost-effective. > > HTH, > jp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Fri Jun 19 08:22:04 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Fri Jun 19 08:22:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW In-Reply-To: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> References: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245417724.5557.2.camel@shoebox> On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 16:39 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I just moved and have been going through my old stuff. I have a lot of old > computers, some working, some not, that I'd like to throw out. > > How do others on the list handle this? If someone can use this stuff, I'd love > to give it away. > > -- Bruce I moved in March and gave mine to Goodwill. It keeps their technicians busy and they make a small profit by selling old kit for low prices. I know one of the techs there kept my Mac LC 550 running NetBSD that I was using as my primary workstation when we formed SATLUG. I donated it six years ago and they've kept it running. Al Castanoli From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 08:57:20 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jun 19 08:57:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disposing of old HW In-Reply-To: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> References: <4A3AB40D.9040900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906190657p6a8749c9j7ed1beb84d4a77b8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I just moved and have been going through my old stuff. ?I have a lot of old > computers, some working, some not, that I'd like to throw out. > > How do others on the list handle this? ?If someone can use this stuff, I'd > love to give it away. Bruce, Art Hall on here is looking for PCs for donation to his church group. I give them to him or to Goodwill. If you go Goodwill you can get a tax write off ;) -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From Channing.ML at channingc.com Fri Jun 19 19:48:45 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Fri Jun 19 19:48:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options Message-ID: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Hello all, Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step away from this thread --- it's toxic ;) I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the like. I looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on the steep side. The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution that can handle a 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be to a pair of Sun v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid as a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out there I should look at? Thank you to those who take the time. Channing From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 20:04:09 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest de Leon) Date: Fri Jun 19 20:04:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: Channing, contact me off list. We we work with multiple storage vendors, including Sun, in the DoD/Military space and with Oracle. Ernest de Leon Director of Engineering SecureTek Group On Jun 19, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > Hello all, > > Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step > away from this thread --- it's toxic ;) > > I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the > like. I looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit > on the steep side. The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a > solution that can handle a 40/60 write/read profile.. The > connections would be to a pair of Sun v1280's running 9 with Oracle > on the SAN. > Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or > Coraid as a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other > options out there I should look at? > > Thank you to those who take the time. > > Channing > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 20:17:35 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (pjcrux@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 19 20:17:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options Message-ID: <117441950-1245460653-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1281213817-@bxe1171.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Have you looked at an IBM XIV solution? Cost is extremely competitive against the evil machine corporation. Contact off list and I can provide more information. Cheers Peter ------Original Message------ From: Channing.ML@channingc.com Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options Sent: Jun 19, 2009 19:48 Hello all, Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step away from this thread --- it's toxic ;) I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the like. I looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on the steep side. The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution that can handle a 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be to a pair of Sun v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid as a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out there I should look at? Thank you to those who take the time. Channing -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From Channing.ML at ChanningC.com Fri Jun 19 20:49:05 2009 From: Channing.ML at ChanningC.com (Channing) Date: Fri Jun 19 20:49:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <117441950-1245460653-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1281213817-@bxe1171.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <117441950-1245460653-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1281213817-@bxe1171.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A3C4011.2020509@ChanningC.com> pjcrux@gmail.com wrote: > Have you looked at an IBM XIV solution? Cost is extremely competitive against the evil machine corporation. Contact off list and I can provide more information. > > Cheers > > Peter > > I'll take a look. Thanks! Channing From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 21:28:28 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Jun 19 21:28:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Bill to Stop Internet Overcharging | Save the Internet Message-ID: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> Thought you might like to see that we're not the only ones fighting to keep Time-Warner's and AT&T's teeth out of our throats... http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/09/06/17/new-bill-stop-internet-overcharging Cheers; Ed From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 04:40:19 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Jun 20 04:40:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: On 6/19/09, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > Hello all, > > Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step away > from this thread --- it's toxic ;) > > I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the like. I > looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on the steep side. > The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution that can handle a > 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be to a pair of Sun > v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. > Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid as > a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out there I > should look at? > > Thank you to those who take the time. > > Channing > The "solution" Strategy is to get a quote for a "real" solution from a competitive vendor and use that to beat down the price point of other vendors. The "name" vendors see your need as a "one off" sale and don't see any follow-on support money, which is where they make the big bucks. At one time HP was giving Storage away to sell Services. EMC has been known to offer discounts of 60% in competitive situations. Just depends on how their sales are doing. A typical scenario is this. In the "Best of All Possible Worlds" you would like to have the "name vendor X" solution for a number of technical reasons. The quoted price is not within your budget. Find out who the "name vendor X" competitors are, preferably the most competitive. Get a hard quote from them. Then using that quote get a quote from another "name vendor". Then have a session with your preferred "name vendor X". This really doesn't take very much time. It takes 10x longer to figure out your "number of technical reasons". Have you talked to anyone at Rackspace about what they use? About out-Storing? They are local and have some really sharp people. The Rackspace solutions do not fit everyone's needs. Caveat Emptor. From Channing.ML at ChanningC.com Sat Jun 20 08:41:13 2009 From: Channing.ML at ChanningC.com (Channing) Date: Sat Jun 20 08:41:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: <4A3CE6F9.5070308@ChanningC.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On 6/19/09, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step away >> from this thread --- it's toxic ;) >> >> I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the like. I >> looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on the steep side. >> The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution that can handle a >> 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be to a pair of Sun >> v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. >> Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid as >> a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out there I >> should look at? >> >> Thank you to those who take the time. >> >> Channing >> >> > > The "solution" Strategy is to get a quote for a "real" solution from a > competitive vendor and use that to beat down the price point of other > vendors. The "name" vendors see your need as a "one off" sale and > don't see any follow-on support money, which is where they make the > big bucks. At one time HP was giving Storage away to sell Services. > EMC has been known to offer discounts of 60% in competitive > situations. Just depends on how their sales are doing. > > A typical scenario is this. In the "Best of All Possible Worlds" you > would like to have the "name vendor X" solution for a number of > technical reasons. The quoted price is not within your budget. Find > out who the "name vendor X" competitors are, preferably the most > competitive. Get a hard quote from them. Then using that quote get a > quote from another "name vendor". Then have a session with your > preferred "name vendor X". > > This really doesn't take very much time. It takes 10x longer to figure > out your "number of technical reasons". > > Have you talked to anyone at Rackspace about what they use? About out-Storing? > They are local and have some really sharp people. The Rackspace > solutions do not fit everyone's needs. Caveat Emptor. > The pricing I was able to workout was 60% off plus free-bees and that's without a lot of work (i.e. - I didn't have to do a 3+ vendor showdown and really didn't have the time for it). I haven't spoken to anyone at Rack, I'll see who I can ping. The solution would need to be local. We beat the tar out of this, so it needs to be local. The last time someone saw our i/o, they were a bit surprised by the usage - it's not typical. Anyone know if AoE is "there" yet? Given that this is a billing system with high I/O and demand, I'm being cautious on the leading/bleeding edge option, but there is a push for the savings against the more traditional and higher priced solutions of FC and iSCSI. Thanks, Channing From jclements at grandecom.net Sat Jun 20 14:37:50 2009 From: jclements at grandecom.net (John Clements) Date: Sat Jun 20 14:37:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum Message-ID: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> Just updated from Fedora 10 to 11. Yum worked in Fedora 10. When typing 'yum' at the command line as root, get a message that says 'No module named yum'. Here's the steps taken, any hints greatly appreciated. John Clements Typed yum as root, following appeared "There was a problem importing one of the Python modules required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was: No module named yum Please install a package which provides this module, or verify that the module is installed correctly. It's possible that the above module doesn't match the current version of Python, which is: 2.6 (r26:66714, Mar 17 2009, 11:44:21) [GCC 4.4.0 20090313 (Red Hat 4.4.0-0.26)] If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to the yum faq at: http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq " YumFaq at question 7 states: "If you are getting a message that yum itself is the missing module then you probably installed it incorreclty (or installed the source rpm using make/make install). If possible, find a prebuilt rpm that will work for your system like one from Fedora or CentOS. Or, you can download the srpm and do a rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm" found yum-3.2.23-0.src.rpm via google and downloaded, then in the directory where the yum*.src file is located, as root 'rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm' per instructions above, same result, get same error message. Any hints? really need yum for updates. JCC From riugakusei at aim.com Sat Jun 20 17:08:55 2009 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sat Jun 20 17:09:20 2009 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum In-Reply-To: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> References: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <8CBC00AD637EC94-B34-26DD@WEBMAIL-MZ05.sysops.aol.com> JUST DO A FRESH INSTALL OF FC11.... TRY THAT ...? i just did a fresh install of fc 11.... its amazing.. vega -----Original Message----- From: John Clements To: satlug@satlug.org Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:37 pm Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum Just updated from Fedora 10 to 11. Yum worked in Fedora 10.? When typing 'yum' at the command line as root, get a message that says? 'No module named yum'. Here's the steps taken, any hints greatly appreciated.? ? John Clements? ? Typed yum as root, following appeared? ? "There was a problem importing one of the Python modules? required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:? ? ? No module named yum? ? Please install a package which provides this module, or? verify that the module is installed correctly.? ? It's possible that the above module doesn't match the? current version of Python, which is:? 2.6 (r26:66714, Mar 17 2009, 11:44:21)? [GCC 4.4.0 20090313 (Red Hat 4.4.0-0.26)]? ? If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to? the yum faq at:? ? http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq "? ? YumFaq at question 7 states:? ? "If you are getting a message that yum itself is the missing module then? you probably installed it incorreclty (or installed the source rpm using? make/make install). If possible, find a prebuilt rpm that will work for? your system like one from Fedora or CentOS. Or, you can download the? srpm and do a? ? rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm"? ? found yum-3.2.23-0.src.rpm via google and downloaded, then in the directory where? the yum*.src file is located, as root 'rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm' per instructions above,? same result, get same error message.? ? Any hints? really need yum for updates.? ? JCC? ? ? -- _______________________________________________? SATLUG mailing list? SATLUG@satlug.org? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 18:45:10 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Jun 20 18:45:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0906201645m5bf02007v8252470a5395b851@mail.gmail.com> NetApp has some nice midrange storage solutions that can scale very well. Their storage OS is fast and they support all connection types. They are definitely going to be cheaper than a comparable EMC solution -Henry On 6/19/09, Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > Hello all, > > Ok - Ok - Warning to all those who don't like off-topic posts, step away > from this thread --- it's toxic ;) > > I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the > like. I looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on > the steep side. The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution > that can handle a 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be > to a pair of Sun v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. > > Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid > as a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out > there I should look at? > > Thank you to those who take the time. > > Channing > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 20 21:45:10 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:45:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: <4A3D9EB6.30600@shub-internet.org> on 6/19/09 7:48 PM, Channing.ML@channingc.com said: > I need to replace a SAN and I don't want to pay for an EMC, or the > like. I looked at EquilLogic, but the price point was still a bit on > the steep side. The goal is to replace 54T of storage with a solution > that can handle a 40/60 write/read profile.. The connections would be > to a pair of Sun v1280's running 9 with Oracle on the SAN. > Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about EquilLogic, or Coraid > as a SAN for a pair of Suns running 9? Are there other options out > there I should look at? The issue with EquilLogic is that it is iSCSI only right now, with FCOE coming down the pike. I think they might also do FC-AL and maybe FC-SW. But only SAN stuff, no NFS or other NAS stuff. At UT Austin, we run all our Oracle systems on NetApp NFS appliances, and our DBAs would rather kill you or die than run anything else. Even Oracle is still working to get their Linux/NFS based solution up to the point where it can perform as well as NetApp, and internally Oracle runs huge massive datacenters for outsourced services for their customers, and all those systems are still on NetApp -- they may be the world's largest customer of NetApp. That said, if NFS or NAS is not interesting to you, then the next thing you get into with EquilLogic is of course the cost -- way more than what you can get if you buy EMC SAN equipment through Dell. The reason is that the EquilLogic stuff comes with all licenses enabled out-of-the-box, whereas EMC comes with virtually nothing licensed out-of-the-box. If you pile on all those licenses to your EMC-via-Dell box, then it would be more expensive. But almost no one ever does that. We found that NetApp with all the licenses we needed was less expensive than EquilLogic, even with the near-or-below-wholesale prices that UT gets from Dell for historical reasons. And NetApp can do iSCSI as well as NAS, and they're also coming out with FC-AL and FC-SW target mode (so that they can be used as a true SAN), in addition to their existing FC-AL/FC-SW initiator mode (so that they can make use of back-end FibreChannel storage from other vendors). They're also working on FCOE, just like all the rest of the industry. Our big surprise was that the Sun Unified Storage System (USS) was considerably less expensive than NetApp, until such time as NetApp realized they might actually lose our contract and gave us massive reductions on their bid, way beyond what we've ever seen before. So, Sun and their USS might be an interesting thing for you to investigate, especially since you're talking about using Sun hardware on the server side, and I think that Sun is very interested in making as many deals now as they can. If you qualify as an educational institution, they have extended to the end of June (or July?) their Matching Grant program (where your discounted price is 50% off retail, as opposed to the normal ~20%), and that would make them considerably less expensive than they would otherwise be. Personally, I think SAN storage, especially over FibreChannel, is aging to the point where it's going to go the way of the Dodo. Ethernet-based technologies seem to have won the day, although we have not yet seen the full amount of fallout from that battle. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 20 21:51:05 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:51:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <117441950-1245460653-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1281213817-@bxe1171.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <117441950-1245460653-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1281213817-@bxe1171.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A3DA019.7080101@shub-internet.org> on 6/19/09 8:17 PM, pjcrux@gmail.com said: > Have you looked at an IBM XIV solution? Cost is extremely competitive > against the evil machine corporation. Contact off list and I can > provide more information. We took a look at those. For UT Austin, they lose in comparison to NetApp, Sun USS, and even EquilLogic and EMC-via-Dell. I believe that this would hold true for most other sites as well. They don't have much memory per node, they don't have much I/O bandwidth per node, and they are sold by the rackfull. If you don't want to buy a whole rack or a half-rack of their stuff, then you're out of luck. If I were going to go with higher-end stuff, I would look at solutions from Hitachi Data Systems (see ) and DirectDataNetworks (see ). -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 20 21:58:09 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:58:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> Message-ID: <4A3DA1C1.7070703@shub-internet.org> on 6/20/09 4:40 AM, Robert Pearson said: > The "solution" Strategy is to get a quote for a "real" solution from a > competitive vendor and use that to beat down the price point of other > vendors. The "name" vendors see your need as a "one off" sale and > don't see any follow-on support money, which is where they make the > big bucks. At one time HP was giving Storage away to sell Services. > EMC has been known to offer discounts of 60% in competitive > situations. Just depends on how their sales are doing. The sales strategies I've seen from EMC directly have included: We'll give you the whole thing for free, fully populated with disks. You only pay for the storage you use. Oh, by the way, we're not going to tell you how much it costs to pay for what you use, and you have to guarantee us that you'll use the whole thing by the end of the year. Sign here on this line of this blank check. In addition to doing things like taking your upper management to a stripper bar or a collection of prostitutes, and then throwing an all-expenses paid party. That's why I'm glad we never have to deal with the EMC sales sleazeballs. We deal with Dell, and our relationship with them amounts to: We have looked at all your products on your custom intranet website you built for us to tell us what our normal discount is, we know what we want, and we know what it is supposed to cost us. Please give us an official quote, and deliver by date XYZ. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 20 22:02:16 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jun 20 22:02:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3CE6F9.5070308@ChanningC.com> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> <4A3CE6F9.5070308@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: <4A3DA2B8.8080900@shub-internet.org> on 6/20/09 8:41 AM, Channing said: > We beat the tar out of this, so it needs to be local. The last time > someone saw our i/o, they were a bit surprised by the usage - it's not > typical. In that case, vendors pitching more modern solutions like Hitachi Data Systems with their "TagmaStore" USP platform, Sun with their "Amber Road" Unified Storage System, and maybe EquilLogic will be more interesting choices for you. They all sell solutions which natively integrate solid-state disk into an additional tier of caching storage between the RAM on their controller and the hard drives, which helps them get amazingly high I/O rates. > Anyone know if AoE is "there" yet? Given that this is a billing system > with high I/O and demand, I'm being cautious on the leading/bleeding > edge option, but there is a push for the savings against the more > traditional and higher priced solutions of FC and iSCSI. From what I've heard, AoE is basically dead. And iSCSI isn't far behind it. Everyone is moving towards FCOE, or what Cisco calls "Data Center Ethernet". -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 12:29:10 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 12:29:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite Message-ID: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the following link to my media player? http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my upload limits. thanks Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 13:08:54 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:08:57 2009 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum In-Reply-To: <8CBC00AD637EC94-B34-26DD@WEBMAIL-MZ05.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> <8CBC00AD637EC94-B34-26DD@WEBMAIL-MZ05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1245607734.13244.8.camel@redpill-laptop> that's not really a fix...more of a clumsy workaround especially if he didn't do a separate partition of his home drive. Todd On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 18:08 -0400, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > JUST DO A FRESH INSTALL OF FC11.... TRY THAT ...? i just did a fresh install of fc 11.... its amazing.. > > vega > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clements > To: satlug@satlug.org > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:37 pm > Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum > > > > > > > > > > Just updated from Fedora 10 to 11. Yum worked in Fedora 10.? > > When typing 'yum' at the command line as root, get a message that says? > > 'No module named yum'. Here's the steps taken, any hints greatly appreciated.? > ? > > John Clements? > ? > > Typed yum as root, following appeared? > ? > > "There was a problem importing one of the Python modules? > > required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:? > ? > > ? No module named yum? > ? > > Please install a package which provides this module, or? > > verify that the module is installed correctly.? > ? > > It's possible that the above module doesn't match the? > > current version of Python, which is:? > > 2.6 (r26:66714, Mar 17 2009, 11:44:21)? > > [GCC 4.4.0 20090313 (Red Hat 4.4.0-0.26)]? > ? > > If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to? > > the yum faq at:? > > ? http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq "? > ? > > YumFaq at question 7 states:? > ? > > "If you are getting a message that yum itself is the missing module then? > > you probably installed it incorreclty (or installed the source rpm using? > > make/make install). If possible, find a prebuilt rpm that will work for? > > your system like one from Fedora or CentOS. Or, you can download the? > > srpm and do a? > ? > > rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm"? > ? > > found yum-3.2.23-0.src.rpm via google and downloaded, then in the directory where? > > the yum*.src file is located, as root 'rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm' per instructions above,? > > same result, get same error message.? > ? > > Any hints? really need yum for updates.? > ? > > JCC? > ? > > ? > > -- > _______________________________________________? > > SATLUG mailing list? > > SATLUG@satlug.org? > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe? > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? > > > > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 13:10:03 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:10:06 2009 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum In-Reply-To: <1245607734.13244.8.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> <8CBC00AD637EC94-B34-26DD@WEBMAIL-MZ05.sysops.aol.com> <1245607734.13244.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245607803.13244.9.camel@redpill-laptop> On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:08 -0500, redpill-master wrote: > that's not really a fix...more of a clumsy workaround especially if he > didn't do a separate partition of his home drive. ....err edit that home folder TWB > > Todd > > On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 18:08 -0400, riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > > JUST DO A FRESH INSTALL OF FC11.... TRY THAT ...? i just did a fresh install of fc 11.... its amazing.. > > > > vega > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Clements > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:37 pm > > Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just updated from Fedora 10 to 11. Yum worked in Fedora 10.? > > > > When typing 'yum' at the command line as root, get a message that says? > > > > 'No module named yum'. Here's the steps taken, any hints greatly appreciated.? > > ? > > > > John Clements? > > ? > > > > Typed yum as root, following appeared? > > ? > > > > "There was a problem importing one of the Python modules? > > > > required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:? > > ? > > > > ? No module named yum? > > ? > > > > Please install a package which provides this module, or? > > > > verify that the module is installed correctly.? > > ? > > > > It's possible that the above module doesn't match the? > > > > current version of Python, which is:? > > > > 2.6 (r26:66714, Mar 17 2009, 11:44:21)? > > > > [GCC 4.4.0 20090313 (Red Hat 4.4.0-0.26)]? > > ? > > > > If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to? > > > > the yum faq at:? > > > > ? http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq "? > > ? > > > > YumFaq at question 7 states:? > > ? > > > > "If you are getting a message that yum itself is the missing module then? > > > > you probably installed it incorreclty (or installed the source rpm using? > > > > make/make install). If possible, find a prebuilt rpm that will work for? > > > > your system like one from Fedora or CentOS. Or, you can download the? > > > > srpm and do a? > > ? > > > > rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm"? > > ? > > > > found yum-3.2.23-0.src.rpm via google and downloaded, then in the directory where? > > > > the yum*.src file is located, as root 'rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm' per instructions above,? > > > > same result, get same error message.? > > ? > > > > Any hints? really need yum for updates.? > > ? > > > > JCC? > > ? > > > > ? > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________? > > > > SATLUG mailing list? > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org? > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe? > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)? > > > > > > > > > > > From hc at lookcee.com Sun Jun 21 13:14:38 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:14:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A3E788E.7080201@lookcee.com> redpill-master wrote: > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > following link to my media player? > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > upload limits. > > thanks > Todd Test what? Firefox returns a blank white space. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 13:18:49 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:18:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <200906211318.50104.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:29:10 redpill-master wrote: > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > following link to my media player? > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > upload limits. > > thanks > Todd > > It took a while, but I got a list of media... haven't tried a download yet, but it looks good. John C From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 13:31:14 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:31:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <200906211331.14572.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:29:10 redpill-master wrote: > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > following link to my media player? > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > upload limits. > > thanks > Todd > > Total success! I entered the Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds link and chose an album (I'm not familiar with much beyond Murder Ballads). The tracks listed and I was able to play a song. Will check out more later after lunch. John C From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 13:35:46 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:35:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <4A3E788E.7080201@lookcee.com> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A3E788E.7080201@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1245609346.13244.15.camel@redpill-laptop> Thanks for the tests guys. please remember that this version of OU is running on my home server which doesn't have the best connection to the Internet. Just a regular grandecom home account. So it may take a while to upload the page and may in fact timeout. If either of these occurs please hit the refresh button. anyways thanks again for the help guys Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 13:38:00 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:38:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <200906211331.14572.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> <200906211331.14572.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245609480.13244.17.camel@redpill-laptop> Personally I think that the Murder Ballads was conceptually his strongest album that said I really think that the best primer for Nick Cave is the Live Seeds album. Unfortunately I dont have either. Thanks for the test Todd On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:31 -0500, John D Choate wrote: > On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:29:10 redpill-master wrote: > > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > > following link to my media player? > > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > > upload limits. > > > > thanks > > Todd > > > > > > Total success! I entered the Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds link and chose an album (I'm not familiar with much beyond Murder Ballads). The tracks listed and I was able to play a song. Will check out more later after lunch. > > > John C From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 13:40:57 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 13:41:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245609480.13244.17.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> <200906211331.14572.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1245609480.13244.17.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245609657.13244.18.camel@redpill-laptop> err I take that back I do have live seeds. thought I had lost it. Kewl enjoy Todd On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:38 -0500, redpill-master wrote: > Personally I think that the Murder Ballads was conceptually his > strongest album that said I really think that the best primer for Nick > Cave is the Live Seeds album. Unfortunately I dont have either. > > > Thanks for the test > Todd > > On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:31 -0500, John D Choate wrote: > > On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:29:10 redpill-master wrote: > > > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > > > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > > > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > > > following link to my media player? > > > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > > > > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > > > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > > > upload limits. > > > > > > thanks > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > Total success! I entered the Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds link and chose an album (I'm not familiar with much beyond Murder Ballads). The tracks listed and I was able to play a song. Will check out more later after lunch. > > > > > > John C > From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 14:10:10 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jun 21 14:10:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245609657.13244.18.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245605350.13244.5.camel@redpill-laptop> <1245609480.13244.17.camel@redpill-laptop> <1245609657.13244.18.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <200906211410.11132.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 21 June 2009 13:40:57 redpill-master wrote: > err I take that back I do have live seeds. thought I had lost it. Kewl > > enjoy > Todd > > On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:38 -0500, redpill-master wrote: > > Personally I think that the Murder Ballads was conceptually his > > strongest album that said I really think that the best primer for Nick > > Cave is the Live Seeds album. Unfortunately I dont have either. > > > > > > Thanks for the test > > Todd > > > > On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:31 -0500, John D Choate wrote: > > > On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:29:10 redpill-master wrote: > > > > Ok I have spent the last few days looking into the new Opera Unite (OU). > > > > While OU is still in alpha it has gotten remarkably stable over the last > > > > 48 hours or so. that said could a few of you be so kind as to test the > > > > following link to my media player? > > > > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player > > > > > > > > please remember that this is running off of my home server so the links > > > > may be a little slow. I am relatively sure that this is due to my > > > > upload limits. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Total success! I entered the Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds link and chose an album (I'm not familiar with much beyond Murder Ballads). The tracks listed and I was able to play a song. Will check out more later after lunch. > > > > > > > > > John C > > > > Yeah, I saw Live Seeds listed, will check it out later. You have a great collection going there. I was checking out some Marley and some Spearhead too... all works well. John C From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 17:37:16 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Jun 21 17:37:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Bill to Stop Internet Overcharging | Save the Internet In-Reply-To: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> References: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0906211537n3fdc3a74ydba1048117a5aa69@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure how to take this. Competition is good .. the more the better for the consumer. It keeps the companies honest because the consumer can speak with their wallet. If they don't like Company A, they cancel and sign up for Company B. Back in the 90s the government opened up competition by requiring last-mile providers to share their copper and coax with ISPs who simply provided bandwidth. This opened the door for competition because anyone with Internet pipe could open shop without paying millions to build new infrastructure. They had to pay for usage of the infrastructure of course, so the last-mile providers could recover the cost of installing it. However, this bill goes beyond regulating anti-competitive practices. ISPs have to file with the FTC before they can introduce tiered services? I presume this gives the FTC the right to say go or no-go on any tiered service offering, which basically amounts to nationalizing the ISPs. Will this open the door for ISPs to have their operational costs scrutinized by the federal government, and eventually the public and their competitors? This could stifle R&D and any attempts to gain efficiency in their business because ultimately the FTC will control their profit margins. What we really need is a way to kill anti-competitive practices without government controlled price-fixing. The lesson to be learned here is the same as the bailout: don't pretend to have a free market economy then turn around and try to regulate it when things don't go the way you like. It doesn't seem logical to enforce freedom through more regulation. If you want to know what a nationalized Internet looks like, check out Australia. The government owns all the bandwidth, and you end up paying about 3 times more than Time Warner was proposing for their *basic" tier of service. You also have to worry about silliness like government enforced content filters that you can't opt out of. -Henry On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:28 PM, ed wrote: > Thought you might like to see that we're not the only ones fighting to keep > Time-Warner's and AT&T's teeth out of our throats... > > http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/09/06/17/new-bill-stop-internet-overcharging > > Cheers; > Ed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From gregswift at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 18:54:06 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Sun Jun 21 18:54:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum In-Reply-To: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> References: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70906211654n2eec0105r2c9cd3b3e4af0988@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 14:37, John Clements wrote: > Just updated from Fedora 10 to 11. Yum worked in Fedora 10. did you use preupgrade to do the upgrade from 10 to 11? If not what method did you use? > > When typing 'yum' at the command line as root, get a message that says > 'No module named yum'. Here's the steps taken, any hints greatly > appreciated. > > John Clements > > Typed yum as root, following appeared > > "There was a problem importing one of the Python modules > required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was: > > No module named yum > > Please install a package which provides this module, or > verify that the module is installed correctly. > > It's possible that the above module doesn't match the > current version of Python, which is: > 2.6 (r26:66714, Mar 17 2009, 11:44:21) > [GCC 4.4.0 20090313 (Red Hat 4.4.0-0.26)] > > If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to > the yum faq at: > http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq " > > YumFaq at question 7 states: > > "If you are getting a message that yum itself is the missing module then > you probably installed it incorreclty (or installed the source rpm using > make/make install). If possible, find a prebuilt rpm that will work for > your system like one from Fedora or CentOS. Or, you can download the > srpm and do a > > rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm" > > found yum-3.2.23-0.src.rpm via google and downloaded, then in the directory > where > the yum*.src file is located, as root 'rpmbuild --rebuild yum*.src.rpm' per > instructions above, > same result, get same error message. After you ran this command, do you install the rpm it built? > > Any hints? really need yum for updates. For starters, if as long as you have RPM installed, you don't need to re-build the yum packages, just use the existing. What I would do is the following steps. Do the following: # rpm -q yum you should get something like this: yum-3.2.22-4.fc11.noarch If its not there, I would do download the good non-source RPM from one of the mirrors (although the one you just built on your system should work as well) If it is there I would run this: rpm --qaV yum You'll probably see some missing files, you can either download the rpm matching the version listed, or if there is a newer you can download that. If you want to install the same version over what is there just do rpm -ivh --force to upgrade just do: rpm -Uvh From gregswift at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 18:54:38 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Sun Jun 21 18:54:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and Yum In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70906211654n2eec0105r2c9cd3b3e4af0988@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3D3A8E.10101@grandecom.net> <4e3f91d70906211654n2eec0105r2c9cd3b3e4af0988@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70906211654y2d9fcdbx3e10076de4368ae1@mail.gmail.com> > If it is there I would run this: > rpm --qaV yum > Correction, only one hyphen: rpm -qaV yum From ftm at satx.rr.com Sun Jun 21 19:59:55 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:00:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Bill to Stop Internet Overcharging | Save the Internet In-Reply-To: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> References: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C3E91CC1B264E07953557766EB0BC06@control> Part of the anti-competitive problem here in San Antonio is the exclusive provider franchise agreements, the city of San Antonio has awarded and continually renews without giving regard to the consumer, but of course giving plenty of attention to campaign contributions. Ah, ethics, or the lack thereof in government. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" ; "The Austin (TX) Linux and General Discussion Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [SATLUG] New Bill to Stop Internet Overcharging | Save the Internet > Thought you might like to see that we're not the only ones fighting to > keep Time-Warner's and AT&T's teeth out of our throats... > > http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/09/06/17/new-bill-stop-internet-overcharging > > Cheers; > Ed > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jun 21 21:50:43 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Sun Jun 21 21:50:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] New Bill to Stop Internet Overcharging | Save the Internet In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0906211537n3fdc3a74ydba1048117a5aa69@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3C494C.4050207@gmail.com> <1003aeaa0906211537n3fdc3a74ydba1048117a5aa69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245639043.2483.18.camel@redpill-laptop> On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 17:37 -0500, Henry Pugsley wrote: > I'm not sure how to take this. Competition is good .. the more the > better for the consumer. It keeps the companies honest because the > consumer can speak with their wallet. If they don't like Company A, > they cancel and sign up for Company B. Back in the 90s the government > opened up competition by requiring last-mile providers to share their > copper and coax with ISPs who simply provided bandwidth. The way I see it the deregulation of the telecommunications infrastructer in the 1990's was part of the problem. sure at first it lead to alot of competition. (who here remembers MCI, Century communications or Adelphia) however like all competitions sooner or latter there are only a few left and they tend to operate in a oligopolistic manner. > This opened > the door for competition because anyone with Internet pipe could open > shop without paying millions to build new infrastructure. They had to > pay for usage of the infrastructure of course, so the last-mile > providers could recover the cost of installing it. > > However, this bill goes beyond regulating anti-competitive practices. > ISPs have to file with the FTC before they can introduce tiered > services? I presume this gives the FTC the right to say go or no-go > on any tiered service offering, which basically amounts to > nationalizing the ISPs. Will this open the door for ISPs to have > their operational costs scrutinized by the federal government, and > eventually the public and their competitors? This could stifle R&D > and any attempts to gain efficiency in their business because > ultimately the FTC will control their profit margins. > > What we really need is a way to kill anti-competitive practices > without government controlled price-fixing. The lesson to be learned > here is the same as the bailout: don't pretend to have a free market > economy then turn around and try to regulate it when things don't go > the way you like. It doesn't seem logical to enforce freedom through > more regulation. you know when I here people talk about the "free market" it always makes me think of a (formerly) East German friend of mine who said when asked about the difference before the wall vs after the wall "the only difference is that before the wall fell we had all the money we could ever want but we could not buy any thing now we can buy anything we want but we don't have any money." Made me wonder if there was really any difference at all > > If you want to know what a nationalized Internet looks like, check out > Australia. The government owns all the bandwidth, and you end up > paying about 3 times more than Time Warner was proposing for their > *basic" tier of service. You also have to worry about silliness like > government enforced content filters that you can't opt out of. > I definitely feel you there. Given the power that governments can wield through the nationalization of access control to the Internet this bill may not be the best approach. But what should we do. the ability for the consumer to leave one for the other is negated when both are trying to screw you out of your money. Here in San Antonio some of us are luck in that we have a viable alternative with Grande Communications but that is not the case for much of the rest of the country. So just how are we to ensure that corporate entities such as TW and AT&T don't use there power over access to gouge our wallets? What entity has the power to do that when individuals have been denied real choice and false competition? Do we stay in the frying pan or jump in the fire? Todd From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 00:13:45 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Mon Jun 22 00:13:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with testing Opera Unite Message-ID: <568066.62432.qm@web50411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 6/21/09, redpill-master wrote: > 48 hours or so.? that said could a few of you be so > kind as to test the > following link to my media player? > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/media_player Cool. Jammin' to CCR now. :) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 04:15:53 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 04:15:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me Message-ID: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, The good news is I did eventually manage to get my new machine built thanks to Herb!!! He was so very kind to send me everything I needed to build it and provided great tech support to me too! I still have to get all those little switches on correctly and have to install the template...having problems with that yet...however, here's the REAL problem, still.. My PC problems have not been my old mobo, or any equipment...and I still have the same issues with this new machine...googling, I found it's a common problem with some machines and it is in many distros too! I thought it was the new HD in this one, and I thought it was the old HD in the last one since I can't get Hardy to load or boot on either machine. The hardware is fine, the problems are with Busy Box and initramfs...it's not recognizing or finding IDE device drivers and I don't know if it's fixable or what to do from here. I remember when I initially asked the list abt these errors etc on my original machine, no one knew what they were or meant. I'm at a loss here. I sent Herb the listing from the google search I did on this and here is another notation I found. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/32123 I wish I could just go into DOS and enter something to make everything work like in Win, that would be so much easier for me.... Doesn't look like there's a fix from what I can tell. I'm running on LIVE CD right now. Erasing the HD doesn't make the problems go away either... I just hope I don't have to go back to Win because of these problems... Please feel free to crosspost this. I would really LOVE to find a solution to this. Thank you very much...cheryl www.google.com/search?q=initramfs&hl=en&start=10&sa=N http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=initramfs+computer+won%27t+boot&aq=f&oq=&aqi= From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 07:57:38 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 07:57:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245675458.2483.29.camel@redpill-laptop> I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be so kind as to post the specs of your box. usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your bios settings. if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. Todd On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:15 +0000, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The good news is I did eventually manage to get my new machine built thanks > to Herb!!! He was so very kind to send me everything I needed to build it > and provided great tech support to me too! > > I still have to get all those little switches on correctly and have to > install the template...having problems with that yet...however, here's the > REAL problem, still.. > > My PC problems have not been my old mobo, or any equipment...and I still > have the same issues with this new machine...googling, I found it's a common > problem with some machines and it is in many distros too! I thought it was > the new HD in this one, and I thought it was the old HD in the last one > since I can't get Hardy to load or boot on either machine. The hardware is > fine, the problems are with Busy Box and initramfs...it's not recognizing or > finding IDE device drivers and I don't know if it's fixable or what to do > from here. > > I remember when I initially asked the list abt these errors etc on my > original machine, no one knew what they were or meant. I'm at a loss here. > > > I sent Herb the listing from the google search I did on this and here is > another notation I found. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/32123 > > I wish I could just go into DOS and enter something to make everything work > like in Win, that would be so much easier for me.... > > Doesn't look like there's a fix from what I can tell. I'm running on LIVE > CD right now. Erasing the HD doesn't make the problems go away either... > > > I just hope I don't have to go back to Win because of these problems... > > Please feel free to crosspost this. I would really LOVE to find a solution > to this. > > Thank you very much...cheryl > > www.google.com/search?q=initramfs&hl=en&start=10&sa=N > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=initramfs+computer+won%27t+boot&aq=f&oq=&aqi= From hc at lookcee.com Mon Jun 22 08:27:19 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Mon Jun 22 08:27:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <1245675458.2483.29.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <1245675458.2483.29.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> redpill-master wrote: > I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be > so kind as to post the specs of your box. > usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in > the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do > so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your > bios settings. > > if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to > try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" > > Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was > used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. > Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. > > > Todd > Todd let me try to clear some of this up. I just sent Cheryl an EM telling her to change the ribbon cable to the Pri-IDE. I am convinced that this has been the problem all along an intermittant loss of a data pin. Alex should have found this when he had the machine for 2weeks but unfortunately an intermittant problem is difficult to say the least. Anyway I sent Cheryl a new ECS-PT890T-A _v1.0A mobo with a 3.2G Intel CPU and 4GB of mem. I sent an 80G HD that I had bought new 2yrs ago and only used that drive for backup. I also ran full diag and reformatted the drive, loading on Ubuntu 8.04 updated from a commercial printed disk, She has that disk and is running from the live CD of it. I also sent her a new IDE ribbon cable but unfortunately she used the old one when she swapped out the Mobo in to her case. Her biggest problem Todd is she can barely see, her sight is 20/800 if you can imagine. Anyway I expect when her eyes are clear enough today for her to replace that cable and get the FrontPanel switches connected correctly she will be up and running ok. I had that Board/CPU/Mem/HD all running here for 3 days before sending it to her I set the CMOS correctly but the Vid card failed in between and she now has a new vid running just fine. Thanks herb From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 09:10:13 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:10:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <1245675458.2483.29.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1245679813.2483.31.camel@redpill-laptop> ouch..I hate it when that happens. intermittent ide cable failures suck. my first one had me chasing my tail for a good month b4 i found it. Todd From Channing.ML at channingc.com Mon Jun 22 09:20:02 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:20:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Coraid Storage and Other Options In-Reply-To: <4A3DA2B8.8080900@shub-internet.org> References: <4A3C31ED.6040606@channingc.com> <4A3CE6F9.5070308@ChanningC.com> <4A3DA2B8.8080900@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A3F9312.7050105@channingc.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > on 6/20/09 8:41 AM, Channing said: > >> We beat the tar out of this, so it needs to be local. The last time >> someone saw our i/o, they were a bit surprised by the usage - it's >> not typical. > > In that case, vendors pitching more modern solutions like Hitachi Data > Systems with their "TagmaStore" USP platform, Sun with their "Amber > Road" Unified Storage System, and maybe EquilLogic will be more > interesting choices for you. They all sell solutions which natively > integrate solid-state disk into an additional tier of caching storage > between the RAM on their controller and the hard drives, which helps > them get amazingly high I/O rates. > >> Anyone know if AoE is "there" yet? Given that this is a billing >> system with high I/O and demand, I'm being cautious on the >> leading/bleeding edge option, but there is a push for the savings >> against the more traditional and higher priced solutions of FC and >> iSCSI. > > From what I've heard, AoE is basically dead. And iSCSI isn't far > behind it. Everyone is moving towards FCOE, or what Cisco calls "Data > Center Ethernet". > Brad, Thanks for all the info, it is appreciated. Have a great week! Channing From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 11:52:17 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 11:52:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <1245675458.2483.29.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906220952w5f78b7aet21266ef34e8c4625@mail.gmail.com> thanks Herb for replying so clearly. I also never thought of the cable going bad. I'll go back and read your emails, and then later try that new cable you sent on the hard drive. I did try both cables that I have and got the same errors though. I also checked all my connections ...let's see what happens after I change out the HD cable. If that works I can buy another cable to connect everything else after the 3rd. I just hate having to change all the font sizes, pointer sizes, pages everytime I shut this down to do anything and have to go back to the LIVE CS. It's so hard to see doing it so everything takes me forever to do... That clicking is driving me nuts btw...lol cheryl On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > redpill-master wrote: > >> I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be >> so kind as to post the specs of your box. >> usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in >> the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do >> so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your >> bios settings. >> >> if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to >> try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" >> >> Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was >> used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. >> Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. >> >> >> Todd >> >> > Todd let me try to clear some of this up. I just sent Cheryl an EM telling > her to change the ribbon cable to the Pri-IDE. I am convinced that this has > been the problem all along an intermittant loss of a data pin. Alex should > have found this when he had the machine for 2weeks but unfortunately an > intermittant problem is difficult to say the least. > > Anyway I sent Cheryl a new ECS-PT890T-A _v1.0A mobo with a 3.2G Intel CPU > and 4GB of mem. I sent an 80G HD that I had bought new 2yrs ago and only > used that drive for backup. I also ran full diag and reformatted the drive, > loading on Ubuntu 8.04 updated from a commercial printed disk, She has that > disk and is running from the live CD of it. I also sent her a new IDE ribbon > cable but unfortunately she used the old one when she swapped out the Mobo > in to her case. > > Her biggest problem Todd is she can barely see, her sight is 20/800 if you > can imagine. Anyway I expect when her eyes are clear enough today for her to > replace that cable and get the FrontPanel switches connected correctly she > will be up and running ok. I had that Board/CPU/Mem/HD all running here for > 3 days before sending it to her I set the CMOS correctly but the Vid card > failed in between and she now has a new vid running just fine. > > Thanks herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 12:42:04 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 12:42:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi everyone, > Hi, Cheryl! > I wish I could just go into DOS and enter something to make everything work > like in Win, that would be so much easier for me.... > > Doesn't look like there's a fix from what I can tell. I'm running on LIVE > CD right now. Erasing the HD doesn't make the problems go away either... but... you can! it's called "Command Line Interface" (or, more commonly referred to on this and other LUG lists as 'cli'.) If you're looking at a gui (Graphic User Interface) and want to do something on a command line, the one thing you should remember about Linux is, Linux was modeled after Unix. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I would say that *at least* (if not all) computer systems that are running some *nix as the OS, are true multi-user/multi-tasking systems. Actually, it's the software that makes the system so. The same system can run Windows (not really multi-user/multi-tasking) or Linux, or some other special OS. Hardware requirements can be the same. Alt-F1 will get you to the command line screen. As will Alt-F2, Alt-F3, Alt-F4. Depending on the flavor of Linux you're running, either Alt-F5 (tty5) is the gui, or Alt-F7 (tty7) is the gui. Without editing or modifying anything, I would look at /etc/init.d/boot.d and read through those files and see how your system is setup. You might learn something from within. If nothing else, go look in your system log file (usually /var/log/messages) and see if you can find any errors. a helpful command would be: :~> less /var/log/messages | grep -i initramfs then post *exactly* what the log says is the problem. Hope that helps! I know it would help us help you better. -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 12:52:05 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 12:52:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A3FC4C5.7060707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Geoff wrote: > Alt-F1 will get you to the command line screen. As will Alt-F2, Alt-F3, > Alt-F4. Depending on the flavor of Linux you're running, either Alt-F5 > (tty5) is the gui, or Alt-F7 (tty7) is the gui. pardon the brain-dead part of that post... From the gui, that would be "Ctrl-Alt-F(1~4)" >From the CLI, it's only Alt-F(1~4)... 1850 miles in 31.5 hours, 1 day of rest, then a 300 mile round trip after being up 18 hours... sorry, gang.. my mind is a terrible thing.... ;-) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:10:30 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 13:10:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3FC4C5.7060707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A3FC4C5.7060707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906221110u22d0ca95g3b5a36ca28e1a9b@mail.gmail.com> thank you so much Geoff..I LOVE working in the command lines...it's like I used to do in DOS...or at least reminds me of it! I didn't know I could get to a command line in Linux. Thanks so much for telling me these things.. Maybe I can get everything working through a cli...worth a shot if I know what to enter in the cli...I can try what you suggest and see what happens... Can I enter commands in terminal while running from live CD? Apparently I can access the terminal because I see it's listed under apps... Thanks for this info...I will write it all down...wish I could print it out...:o( cheryl On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Geoff wrote: > Geoff wrote: > > Alt-F1 will get you to the command line screen. As will Alt-F2, Alt-F3, > > Alt-F4. Depending on the flavor of Linux you're running, either Alt-F5 > > (tty5) is the gui, or Alt-F7 (tty7) is the gui. > > pardon the brain-dead part of that post... From the gui, that would be > "Ctrl-Alt-F(1~4)" > > >From the CLI, it's only Alt-F(1~4)... > > 1850 miles in 31.5 hours, 1 day of rest, then a 300 mile round trip > after being up 18 hours... sorry, gang.. my mind is a terrible thing.... > > ;-) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 13:52:36 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 13:52:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70906221110u22d0ca95g3b5a36ca28e1a9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A3FC4C5.7060707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70906221110u22d0ca95g3b5a36ca28e1a9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3FD2F4.3010606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Can I enter commands in terminal while running from live CD? Apparently I > can access the terminal because I see it's listed under apps... > but, of course! Hey, using some deductive reasoning, I'll bet you're a big 'book-on-tape' type of person. My gf, Rhonni, found "Linux for Dummies" (not to be insulting), and it's helped her understand a lot more of the Linux Operating system, looking at it from a junior novice stand-point. She also loves 'book-on-tape'. I just wonder if there isn't something out there that would combine the two. > Thanks for this info...I will write it all down...wish I could print it > out...:o( Oh, don't get me starting on printing and linux. I've never had luck in that department. Hey, Gang... is there a program for Linux users like 'Jaws' for Windows, for those who are visually challenged? -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 13:47:00 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 13:52:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sunspot activity & Ham Radio Message-ID: <4A3FD1A4.5060209@w5omr.shacknet.nu> For those of you who are in a business that requires/depends on solar activity to maintain communications, or are just plain interested in solar activity, you might be interested in this. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/17jun_jetstream.htm As a ham radio operator, it got my attention. The higher bands (20m and higher [17, 15, 12, 10m) depend on solar sunspot activity to provide long-distance (DX) communication. When the Sunspot activity is at a peak, talking to stations in Australia or Japan while driving down the road in your ham radio equipped vehicle is a daily thing. Speaking of Ham Radio... Ham Radio "Field Day" is coming up this weekend. If you're interested in learning more about Ham Radio, go to one of several Field-Day sites that will be set up in your local area and check 'em out. _____________________________________________ What is Field Day? In a nutshell, Field Day is an annual, nationwide Amateur Radio emergency communications exercise combined with a contest. A fundamental purpose of Amateur Radio (also known as Ham Radio) is to provide emergency communications in the event of a disaster or other disruption of normal communications. Field Day is an opportunity to learn and practice skills needed to communicate during floods, hurricanes, fires, earthquakes and other major disasters. These skills involve setting up generators and batteries for independent power sources, erecting an assortment of antennas and configuring radio equipment for various modes of communications. The idea is to quickly put together self-sufficient, working stations in affected location. The other part of Field Day is a competition for participating stations to contact as many other Field Day stations as possible. The contest runs for a 24-hour period from midday Saturday until midday Sunday on Field Day weekend, which is the fourth full weekend of June every year. Any ham station in North America, whether operating under emergency conditions or not, may participate. During the competition, each radio contact to another station counts for points. Contacts between stations may be made on a number of communications modes including Morse code, a number of voice and digital modes and satellite communications. Bonus points may be collected by using natural (solar or wind) power to run the radio equipment, and by sending and receiving certain messages. This message handling is training for operators to handle emergency messages accurately, efficiently and as and as a team. Field Day is a sponsored by the American Radio Relay League (ARRL). ARRL is an organization that represents Radio Amateurs in the United States and is based in Newington, Connecticut. The ARRL website is http://www.arrl.org/ . In 2008, Field Day logs were submitted by 2409 clubs, groups and individuals across the U.S. and Canada. These logs showed participation by more than 35,000 individuals and over 1.2 million radio contacts were reported during the event. Ham radio clubs and other groups across the continent use Field Day to demonstrate the communications ability of Amateur Radio in simulated emergency situations. At sites from Alaska to Puerto Rico, Amateur Radio brings together its resources to show officials in government and various agencies what ?Amateur Radio can do?. ___________________________________________________ In the Houston area, there will be several groups setting up. The group I've assembled together will be at the Huntsville State Park, starting at 8am on Friday, 27 June. Now, I just *know* some of you hams are gonna say "Hey, I know what Field Day is, you moron! Why are you sending me this Field Day stuff?" Well, because of the cool sunspot stuff attached with it, ya, knuckleheads! ;-) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 Baja Springyangyang, TX) [where, if you smoke in bed, you'll wind up in Hot springs!] From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 14:02:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:02:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3FD2F4.3010606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70906220215k69579418qc739bfa645652248@mail.gmail.com> <4A3FC26C.1040006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A3FC4C5.7060707@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70906221110u22d0ca95g3b5a36ca28e1a9b@mail.gmail.com> <4A3FD2F4.3010606@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906221202n6dc4a947k719fdf793f2dd183@mail.gmail.com> actually Geoff, I don't do books on tape yet because they generally don't have any topics that interest me. but thanks a lot for the info. what i should do is go to a bookstore after i get my check and see if i can see the print in that book...if so, then buy it if it might help me out. that's how i learned dos so many years ago...found an excellewnt manual that explained everything very easily. if the print is bold enough and large enough, i can see it. i'll just have to check on that. thanks for the idea because that's something i can follow up on. never had any printer problems in linux yet using hp printers...well, the few minorones i had in hardy at first were resolved in launchpad. launchpad is a great resource...cheryl On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Can I enter commands in terminal while running from live CD? Apparently > I > > can access the terminal because I see it's listed under apps... > > > > but, of course! > > Hey, using some deductive reasoning, I'll bet you're a big > 'book-on-tape' type of person. > My gf, Rhonni, found "Linux for Dummies" (not to be insulting), and it's > helped her understand a lot more of the Linux Operating system, looking > at it from a junior novice stand-point. She also loves 'book-on-tape'. > I just wonder if there isn't something out there that would combine the > two. > > > Thanks for this info...I will write it all down...wish I could print it > > out...:o( > > Oh, don't get me starting on printing and linux. I've never had luck in > that department. > > > Hey, Gang... is there a program for Linux users like 'Jaws' for Windows, > for those who are visually challenged? > > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 14:42:37 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:42:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <444820.36321.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm replying from my phone..sorry if it comes out hosed. Just to clarify.... I had the computer for two weeks but did not touch it until about the last few days in that period. Secondly..when I returned her old system, it booted just fine otherwise I would have let her know that it was not operational. Don't know if it was worth the effort in replying to this. Herb Cee wrote: > redpill-master wrote: >> I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be >> so kind as to post the specs of your box. >> usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in >> the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do >> so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your >> bios settings. >> >> if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to >> try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" >> >> Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was >> used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. >> Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. >> >> >> Todd >> > Todd let me try to clear some of this up. I just sent Cheryl an EM telling her to change the ribbon cable to the Pri-IDE. I am convinced that this has been the problem all along an intermittant loss of a data pin. Alex should have found this when he had the machine for 2weeks but unfortunately an intermittant problem is difficult to say the least. > Anyway I sent Cheryl a new ECS-PT890T-A _v1.0A mobo with a 3.2G Intel CPU and 4GB of mem. I sent an 80G HD that I had bought new 2yrs ago and only used that drive for backup. I also ran full diag and reformatted the drive, loading on Ubuntu 8.04 updated from a commercial printed disk, She has that disk and is running from the live CD of it. I also sent her a new IDE ribbon cable but unfortunately she used the old one when she swapped out the Mobo in to her case. > Her biggest problem Todd is she can barely see, her sight is 20/800 if you can imagine. Anyway I expect when her eyes are clear enough today for her to replace that cable and get the FrontPanel switches connected correctly she will be up and running ok. I had that Board/CPU/Mem/HD all running here for 3 days before sending it to her I set the CMOS correctly but the Vid card failed in between and she now has a new vid running just fine. > Thanks herb > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 14:45:39 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:45:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <444820.36321.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534671.20306.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> now as a side note.. if you want me to reinstall ubuntu on the new system.. I can give it a shot. Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'm replying from my phone..sorry if it comes out hosed. > Just to clarify.... > I had the computer for two weeks but did not touch it until about the last few days in that period. Secondly..when I returned her old system, it booted just fine otherwise I would have let her know that it was not operational. Don't know if it was worth the effort in replying to this. > Herb Cee wrote: >> redpill-master wrote: >>> I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be >>> so kind as to post the specs of your box. >>> usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in >>> the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do >>> so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your >>> bios settings. >>> >>> if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to >>> try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" >>> >>> Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was >>> used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. >>> Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. >>> >>> >>> Todd >>> >> Todd let me try to clear some of this up. I just sent Cheryl an EM telling her to change the ribbon cable to the Pri-IDE. I am convinced that this has been the problem all along an intermittant loss of a data pin. Alex should have found this when he had the machine for 2weeks but unfortunately an intermittant problem is difficult to say the least. >> Anyway I sent Cheryl a new ECS-PT890T-A _v1.0A mobo with a 3.2G Intel CPU and 4GB of mem. I sent an 80G HD that I had bought new 2yrs ago and only used that drive for backup. I also ran full diag and reformatted the drive, loading on Ubuntu 8.04 updated from a commercial printed disk, She has that disk and is running from the live CD of it. I also sent her a new IDE ribbon cable but unfortunately she used the old one when she swapped out the Mobo in to her case. >> Her biggest problem Todd is she can barely see, her sight is 20/800 if you can imagine. Anyway I expect when her eyes are clear enough today for her to replace that cable and get the FrontPanel switches connected correctly she will be up and running ok. I had that Board/CPU/Mem/HD all running here for 3 days before sending it to her I set the CMOS correctly but the Vid card failed in between and she now has a new vid running just fine. >> Thanks herb >> -- _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 14:57:14 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 14:57:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <444820.36321.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4A3F86B7.40209@lookcee.com> <444820.36321.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906221257m4c0744ev5f911935f1e1650@mail.gmail.com> It did boot in Jaunty, but wouldn't load or install Hardy for me or Alex! That's why Alex installed Jaunty. I may have to install Jaunty on here if I can't fix the obvious bug (as reported by others to launchpad)...though HP printers apparently don't work in Jaunty...at least mine didn't. cheryl On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > I'm replying from my phone..sorry if it comes out hosed. > > Just to clarify.... > I had the computer for two weeks but did not touch it until about the last > few days in that period. Secondly..when I returned her old system, it > booted just fine otherwise I would have let her know that it was not > operational. Don't know if it was worth the effort in replying to this. > > Herb Cee wrote: > > redpill-master wrote: > >> I know that this has been a long running thread but could you please be > >> so kind as to post the specs of your box. > >> usually with those sort of errors I check all my physical connections in > >> the box. re-seat all connectors. Also try to re-burn your media and do > >> so at the slowest speed. Also, you should have a real close look at your > >> bios settings. > >> > >> if you are able to get as far as the grub screen you might also want to > >> try adding "acpi=noacpi". if that doesnt work try "acpi=noacpi irqpoll" > >> > >> Finally was this a new hard drive or is it a used hard drive? If it was > >> used it might help (and is good practice anyways) to wipe the drive. > >> Personally I use DBAN's quick wipe to clean disks. > >> > >> > >> Todd > >> > > Todd let me try to clear some of this up. I just sent Cheryl an EM > telling her to change the ribbon cable to the Pri-IDE. I am convinced that > this has been the problem all along an intermittant loss of a data pin. Alex > should have found this when he had the machine for 2weeks but unfortunately > an intermittant problem is difficult to say the least. > > Anyway I sent Cheryl a new ECS-PT890T-A _v1.0A mobo with a 3.2G Intel CPU > and 4GB of mem. I sent an 80G HD that I had bought new 2yrs ago and only > used that drive for backup. I also ran full diag and reformatted the drive, > loading on Ubuntu 8.04 updated from a commercial printed disk, She has that > disk and is running from the live CD of it. I also sent her a new IDE ribbon > cable but unfortunately she used the old one when she swapped out the Mobo > in to her case. > > Her biggest problem Todd is she can barely see, her sight is 20/800 if > you can imagine. Anyway I expect when her eyes are clear enough today for > her to replace that cable and get the FrontPanel switches connected > correctly she will be up and running ok. I had that Board/CPU/Mem/HD all > running here for 3 days before sending it to her I set the CMOS correctly > but the Vid card failed in between and she now has a new vid running just > fine. > > Thanks herb > > -- _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:01:51 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:01:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, yes it's me again. I purchased a Biostar P4M900-M4 socket 478 mobo off of newegg and for the life of me I can't get it to hold a linux image and boot. Does anyone know of a resource that will help or more accurately recommend a board that will support linux? This is my 4th (different) board I have tried and have had no luck at all yet If no one knows of a resource please let me know and yes I have tried google and www.lmgtfy.com! Also, does someone have a board they're willing to part with for a nominal fee that is socket 478, DDR memory ((266, 333, or 400Mhz) two slots are adequate but would love it if four were present), USB 2.0 and has two IDE connections? -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:08:55 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:08:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906221308x440be167i8e303db55cad9ce0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, yes it's me again. > > I purchased a Biostar P4M900-M4 socket 478 mobo off of newegg and for the > life of me I can't get it to hold a linux image and boot. Does anyone know > of a resource that will help or more accurately recommend a board that will > support linux? This is my 4th (different) board I have tried and have had no > luck at all yet Peter, what exactly is the problem? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 22 15:12:39 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:12:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906222012.n5MKCdRJ026089@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Hello All, yes it's me again. > > I purchased a Biostar P4M900-M4 socket 478 mobo off of newegg and for the > life of me I can't get it to hold a linux image and boot. Does anyone know > of a resource that will help or more accurately recommend a board that will > support linux? This is my 4th (different) board I have tried and have had no > luck at all yet Hmm, I have *never* seen a board that wasn't supported by Linux. There may be certain components (ethernet, video controllers, raid controller, internal modem, bluetooth or card readers) that are only partially or not well supported, but I have never seen a board that completely chokes on Linux, let alone 4. A better description of the problem would help. Maybe it's a bios issue. -b. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:14:13 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:14:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906221314q5e88af77hecddd29adc294367@mail.gmail.com> Peter, sounds like you and I are having the same problens ...caused by Busy Box and Initramfs. Neither of mine will hold or install a Linux image either. I'm researching the bug in Launchpad. Have you tried Launchpad? bugs.launchpad.net I need to read more abt this in there and post to it..cheryl On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, yes it's me again. > > I purchased a Biostar P4M900-M4 socket 478 mobo off of newegg and for the > life of me I can't get it to hold a linux image and boot. Does anyone know > of a resource that will help or more accurately recommend a board that will > support linux? This is my 4th (different) board I have tried and have had > no > luck at all yet > > If no one knows of a resource please let me know and yes I have tried > google > and www.lmgtfy.com! > > Also, does someone have a board they're willing to part with for a nominal > fee that is socket 478, DDR memory ((266, 333, or 400Mhz) two slots are > adequate but would love it if four were present), USB 2.0 and has two IDE > connections? > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:15:49 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:15:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906221308x440be167i8e303db55cad9ce0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906221301s3437e07dq53750e2bf630edaa@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0906221308x440be167i8e303db55cad9ce0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906221315o70efb55es9e44ff30282afe2b@mail.gmail.com> It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the updates (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and I have to start all over again... So in closing... I don't really know other than the mobo continually crashes Fedora. Everything I've found is conflicting as to whether the mobo supports linux or not officially no but others say yes (just not the Via GPU, no worries have a PCI-E card NVidia 7600) On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > > Hello All, yes it's me again. > > > > I purchased a Biostar P4M900-M4 socket 478 mobo off of newegg and for the > > life of me I can't get it to hold a linux image and boot. Does anyone > know > > of a resource that will help or more accurately recommend a board that > will > > support linux? This is my 4th (different) board I have tried and have had > no > > luck at all yet > > Peter, what exactly is the problem? > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 22 15:22:49 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:22:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906221315o70efb55es9e44ff30282afe2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906222022.n5MKMnp9027078@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the updates > (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and I have to start > all over again... > > So in closing... I don't really know other than the mobo continually crashes > Fedora. Everything I've found is conflicting as to whether the mobo supports > linux or not officially no but others say yes (just not the Via GPU, no > worries have a PCI-E card NVidia 7600) If you get through an entire install it's not linux per se that's your problem. It's the way the distribution installs the boot information, at least that's my hunch. Can you use a rescue disk and access the installed root partition that way? Without an actual error message during boot time its hard to assess what's actually wrong, it could be that you are booting the wrong kernel. Have you tried a different distro,, say Slackware 12.2? -b From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Jun 22 15:24:40 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:24:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and the RTL8169 network driver Message-ID: <4A3FE888.1050804@momentumweb.com> Wondering if anyone out there has been able to get an RTL8169-based NIC working in Fedora 11. It's a gigabit NIC, and from all the googling I've done there's apparently some sort of issue kernel-wise that prevents the NIC from working "out-of-the-box". But, basically, the card at first seems like it will work fine (ie, with a cable plugged in the lights on the card are both on, with one blinking as normal, when the machine is not on), but once Fedora boots the lights get shut off and only one of them blinks every now and again, and Fedora "sees" the card (ie, assigns it an eth0) but the media status is listed as "disconnected". The issue is a apparently a Wake-On-LAN issue, according to all that I've read, and the problem has been solved by many people in a dual-boot environment by, oddly enough, setting some flags on the Windows side before a reboot and then booting into Fedora after that. This has apparently worked for a lot of people. Unfortunately, I'm not dual booting so I can't super-easily give it a shot. I've tried a couple of tools to wake it up manually, ether-wake and ethtool (both with appropriate arguments / MAC addy / etc), and neither of them seem to make a difference. I CAN wake up a NIC on the machine I'm on, correct? I don't think I have to be on another machine? I would assume not. Maybe I should try that. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else had had this issue and maybe came upon a solution, even on another version of Fedora (or Linux-y OS)? David From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:29:39 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:30:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and the RTL8169 network driver In-Reply-To: <4A3FE888.1050804@momentumweb.com> References: <4A3FE888.1050804@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906221329v5b7533amc85abfd18ed58d07@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > The issue is a apparently a Wake-On-LAN issue, according to all that I've > read, and the problem has been solved by many people in a dual-boot > environment > by, oddly enough, setting some flags on the Windows side before a reboot and > then booting into Fedora after that. ?This has apparently worked for a lot > of people. ?Unfortunately, I'm not dual booting so I can't super-easily give > it a shot. ?I've tried a couple of tools to wake it up manually, ether-wake > and ethtool (both with appropriate arguments / MAC addy / etc), and neither > of them seem to make a difference. David, you should be able to disable WOL directly in the BIOS. That may solve your problem. The other option would be to check command line parameters when modprobing the driver. We received new mobos for our new cluster and CentOS5 includes the right forcedeth driver, BUT they are a new revision and will only work when 3 arguments are passed when loading the kernel drivers. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:34:29 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:34:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <200906222022.n5MKMnp9027078@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7c63fb3d0906221315o70efb55es9e44ff30282afe2b@mail.gmail.com> <200906222022.n5MKMnp9027078@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906221334y32aef9b1oc26b6c77a3c2d86f@mail.gmail.com> No only Fedora 9 or 10. Unfortunately those are the only distro's supported within the Amahi Home Server Project (However, Ubuntu soon will be currently in Alpha testing). I will try to install tonight again and see what the problem is. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the > updates > > (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and I have to > start > > all over again... > > > > So in closing... I don't really know other than the mobo continually > crashes > > Fedora. Everything I've found is conflicting as to whether the mobo > supports > > linux or not officially no but others say yes (just not the Via GPU, no > > worries have a PCI-E card NVidia 7600) > > If you get through an entire install it's not linux per se that's your > problem. > It's the way the distribution installs the boot information, at least > that's > my hunch. Can you use a rescue disk and access the installed root partition > that > way? Without an actual error message during boot time its hard to assess > what's > actually wrong, it could be that you are booting the wrong kernel. Have you > tried > a different distro,, say Slackware 12.2? > > -b > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 22 15:37:06 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:37:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906221334y32aef9b1oc26b6c77a3c2d86f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906222037.n5MKb6Mu028458@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > No only Fedora 9 or 10. Unfortunately those are the only distro's supported > within the Amahi Home Server Project (However, Ubuntu soon will be currently > in Alpha testing). I will try to install tonight again and see what the > problem is. OK, I think there is hope. If you can get through the entire installation, it is clear that the MOBO can handle Linux. It must be an installation issue. For now, use the rescue disc to boot and use the same kernel as you used for the installation. You can mount the root partition from the command line by issueing: root=/dev/sda1 (if /dev/sda1 is your root partition) as a kernel parameter during boot. -b. > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Borries Demeler < > demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the > > updates > > > (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and I have to > > start > > > all over again... > > > > > > So in closing... I don't really know other than the mobo continually > > crashes > > > Fedora. Everything I've found is conflicting as to whether the mobo > > supports > > > linux or not officially no but others say yes (just not the Via GPU, no > > > worries have a PCI-E card NVidia 7600) > > > > If you get through an entire install it's not linux per se that's your > > problem. > > It's the way the distribution installs the boot information, at least > > that's > > my hunch. Can you use a rescue disk and access the installed root partition > > that > > way? Without an actual error message during boot time its hard to assess > > what's > > actually wrong, it could be that you are booting the wrong kernel. Have you > > tried > > a different distro,, say Slackware 12.2? > > > > -b > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Jun 22 15:46:04 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:46:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 11 and the RTL8169 network driver In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906221329v5b7533amc85abfd18ed58d07@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3FE888.1050804@momentumweb.com> <79ec289f0906221329v5b7533amc85abfd18ed58d07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3FED8C.9080005@momentumweb.com> > David, you should be able to disable WOL directly in the BIOS. That > may solve your problem. Jeremy, will this work even if the NIC in question is an add-in PCI card? I figure I could do that with an on-board NIC but didn't think about doing it with a PCI NIC... or will disabling that on the mobo sort of cascade down to any network devices I plug in? David From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:53:34 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:53:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <200906222037.n5MKb6Mu028458@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7c63fb3d0906221334y32aef9b1oc26b6c77a3c2d86f@mail.gmail.com> <200906222037.n5MKb6Mu028458@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906221353i62230bd3yc30e5db12c56c551@mail.gmail.com> One other thing, I can boot into a live CD for FC10 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > No only Fedora 9 or 10. Unfortunately those are the only distro's > supported > > within the Amahi Home Server Project (However, Ubuntu soon will be > currently > > in Alpha testing). I will try to install tonight again and see what the > > problem is. > > OK, I think there is hope. If you can get through the entire installation, > it is clear that the MOBO can handle Linux. It must be an installation > issue. > For now, use the rescue disc to boot and use the same kernel as you used > for > the installation. You can mount the root partition from the command line by > issueing: > > root=/dev/sda1 (if /dev/sda1 is your root partition) > > as a kernel parameter during boot. > > -b. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Borries Demeler < > > demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the > > > updates > > > > (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and I have to > > > start > > > > all over again... > > > > > > > > So in closing... I don't really know other than the mobo continually > > > crashes > > > > Fedora. Everything I've found is conflicting as to whether the mobo > > > supports > > > > linux or not officially no but others say yes (just not the Via GPU, > no > > > > worries have a PCI-E card NVidia 7600) > > > > > > If you get through an entire install it's not linux per se that's your > > > problem. > > > It's the way the distribution installs the boot information, at least > > > that's > > > my hunch. Can you use a rescue disk and access the installed root > partition > > > that > > > way? Without an actual error message during boot time its hard to > assess > > > what's > > > actually wrong, it could be that you are booting the wrong kernel. Have > you > > > tried > > > a different distro,, say Slackware 12.2? > > > > > > -b > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Peter J. Cross > > San Antonio, TX > > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 15:59:28 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:59:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me Message-ID: <986426.93933.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > fine, the problems are with Busy Box and initramfs...it's > not recognizing or > finding IDE device drivers and I don't know if it's fixable It sounds like a bad burn of the iso image. I'd first run a checksum on the iso image, if fine try burning the CD/DVD at a much lower speed. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:09:31 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jun 22 16:09:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <986426.93933.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <986426.93933.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70906221409t75803b0ft5bc4de13c5ca0420@mail.gmail.com> I wish that was all it was. i will do a chksum in terminal tho. this is a brand new commercial cd version which is doing the same thing as the 2 cd copies i already have...cheryl I just reported it to Launchpad as a bug. I see a lot of people are having this problem now with the latest updates. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:59 PM, That clown again.... wrote: > > --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > fine, the problems are with Busy Box and initramfs...it's > > not recognizing or > > finding IDE device drivers and I don't know if it's fixable > > > It sounds like a bad burn of the iso image. I'd first run a checksum on the > iso image, if fine try burning the CD/DVD at a much lower speed. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hc at lookcee.com Mon Jun 22 16:11:29 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Mon Jun 22 16:11:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PLS HELP, initramfs, busy box, still mesing with me In-Reply-To: <986426.93933.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <986426.93933.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A3FF381.4050104@lookcee.com> That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> fine, the problems are with Busy Box and initramfs...it's >> not recognizing or >> finding IDE device drivers and I don't know if it's fixable >> > > > It sounds like a bad burn of the iso image. I'd first run a checksum on the iso image, if fine try burning the CD/DVD at a much lower speed. > I have to disagree Todd I loaded that sys onto that mobo/HD from a CD purchased from discount Linux CD and that is the same disk that she is using as a live cd So I guess could be but no reinstall has been made yet the Bios could not see the HD and I did not have that prob saw it fine went tru a complete DT install and completely upgraded itself from the update manager and allowed me to install Thunderbird and few other prog packs and I set up the repositaries for her so as soon as she corrects that cable and sets the FP sws correctly on the Mobo pins she will run fine.Herb Herb > > > From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 16:26:50 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Mon Jun 22 16:26:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 Message-ID: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Peter Cross wrote: > It will allow anaconda to install > however after applying all of the updates > (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and No longer boots or no longer boots to the GUI? If you updated the kernel (which requires a reboot) it sometimes breaks your Xorg. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 16:38:38 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jun 22 16:38:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A3FF9DE.3060605@gmail.com> That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Peter Cross wrote: > >> It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the updates >> (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and > > No longer boots or no longer boots to the GUI? If you updated the kernel > (which requires a reboot) it sometimes breaks your Xorg. I've never heard of this. It might be a video driver issue, but Xorg? I don't think so. -- Bruce From scrandall at jw.com Mon Jun 22 17:55:11 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Mon Jun 22 17:55:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <4A3FF9DE.3060605@gmail.com> References: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A3FF9DE.3060605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A081E4405@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> This has happened to me many times, and you're right, it's always been a video driver issue. I used to run Gentoo on a Dell Latitude, and I would run binary video drivers so I could get hardware acceleration. Every time the kernel updated, the video driver broke because it was compiled for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringA, so it wouldn't load for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringB. (Incidentally, this kind of subtle incompatibility that would completely break things and sometimes end up with circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved drove me to finally abandon Gentoo. The worst was when it would break gcc, so you couldn't go anywhere from there. If somebody ever made a binary Gentoo distro, I'd probably go back, because I really liked portage). Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Dubbs Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:39 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Peter Cross wrote: > >> It will allow anaconda to install however after applying all of the >> updates (one of which requires a reboot) it will no longer boot and > > No longer boots or no longer boots to the GUI? If you updated the > kernel (which requires a reboot) it sometimes breaks your Xorg. I've never heard of this. It might be a video driver issue, but Xorg? I don't think so. -- Bruce -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 18:36:07 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 18:36:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials Message-ID: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> I was searching through my /usr/share/doc looking for an interesting tutorial to run myself through when I suddenly realized that there has got to be a better way then doing this through my file manager. I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a app (within Ubuntu) which would add a menu folder labeled tutorials which would have all of the various tutorial packaged within the Ubuntu distro already listed. this would not necessarily need to be a menu option it could for instance modify my firefox by adding bookmarks to the relavant html pages. thanks in advance Todd From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 18:47:31 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jun 22 18:47:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A081E4405@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A3FF9DE.3060605@gmail.com> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A081E4405@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <4A401813.9050000@gmail.com> Crandall, Sean wrote: > This has happened to me many times, and you're right, it's always been a > video driver issue. I used to run Gentoo on a Dell Latitude, and I > would run binary video drivers so I could get hardware acceleration. > Every time the kernel updated, the video driver broke because it was > compiled for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringA, so it wouldn't load for > kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringB. (Incidentally, this kind of subtle > incompatibility that would completely break things and sometimes end up > with circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved drove me to finally > abandon Gentoo. The worst was when it would break gcc, so you couldn't > go anywhere from there. Yes, you are right about that. The way modules work is that they are loaded from the directory tree /lib/modules//. The reason for this is that kernel modules become a part of the operating system itself and are very dependent on exported names. Each time the kernel changes, all the modules need to be updated too. This includes proprietary modules. I use both nvidia and vmware and have to go through that every time I upgrade the kernel. There is also an internal check made when loading that ensures the module was built with the same version of gcc as the kernel. Otherwise, there could be latent differences that could inadvertently hose your system. For me, the process is build a new kernel, boot into level 3 (command line) like I always do, build the nvidia driver, and startx. Then I can build the vmware module when needed. All this is not really hard once yoou've done it a couple of times, but to someone who just loads a pre-compiled distro like SuSE, Fedora, or Ubuntu, it can cause problems that they don't know how to fix. The optimal solution would be for makers of proprietary drivers to just open source the code into the kernel, but some are just unwilling to do that. -- Bruce From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 19:14:11 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:14:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <4A401813.9050000@gmail.com> References: <525450.93049.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A3FF9DE.3060605@gmail.com> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A081E4405@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> <4A401813.9050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245716051.9124.21.camel@redpill-laptop> > All this is not really hard once yoou've done it a couple of times, but to > someone who just loads a pre-compiled distro like SuSE, Fedora, or Ubuntu, it > can cause problems that they don't know how to fix. this sort of thing used to be a problem with Ubuntu back in the fiesty days but since Gutsy Ubuntu has been pretty good about automatically updating the nvidia modules whenever it upgrades the kernel. Todd From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jun 22 19:18:13 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:18:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <4A401813.9050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> If you know it is your video driver, you could do this: replace the "nvidia" driver in your kernel with the "nv" driver. Eventually, you want to compile the nvidia driver again and change back. But for now this should get you going. -b. > > Crandall, Sean wrote: > > This has happened to me many times, and you're right, it's always been a > > video driver issue. I used to run Gentoo on a Dell Latitude, and I > > would run binary video drivers so I could get hardware acceleration. > > Every time the kernel updated, the video driver broke because it was > > compiled for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringA, so it wouldn't load for > > kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringB. (Incidentally, this kind of subtle > > incompatibility that would completely break things and sometimes end up > > with circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved drove me to finally > > abandon Gentoo. The worst was when it would break gcc, so you couldn't > > go anywhere from there. > > Yes, you are right about that. The way modules work is that they are loaded > from the directory tree /lib/modules//. > > The reason for this is that kernel modules become a part of the operating system > itself and are very dependent on exported names. Each time the kernel changes, > all the modules need to be updated too. This includes proprietary modules. I > use both nvidia and vmware and have to go through that every time I upgrade the > kernel. There is also an internal check made when loading that ensures the > module was built with the same version of gcc as the kernel. Otherwise, there > could be latent differences that could inadvertently hose your system. > > For me, the process is build a new kernel, boot into level 3 (command line) like > I always do, build the nvidia driver, and startx. Then I can build the vmware > module when needed. > > All this is not really hard once yoou've done it a couple of times, but to > someone who just loads a pre-compiled distro like SuSE, Fedora, or Ubuntu, it > can cause problems that they don't know how to fix. > > The optimal solution would be for makers of proprietary drivers to just open > source the code into the kernel, but some are just unwilling to do that. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 19:21:59 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:22:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> when ever I have these problems in Ubuntu the following ussualy brings me back to the basic non-accerated display sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver.xorg. bu the way I found this command in the intro comments on the xorg.conf file Todd On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:18 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > If you know it is your video driver, you could do this: > > replace the "nvidia" driver in your kernel with the "nv" driver. > Eventually, you want to compile the nvidia driver again and > change back. But for now this should get you going. > > -b. > > > > Crandall, Sean wrote: > > > This has happened to me many times, and you're right, it's always been a > > > video driver issue. I used to run Gentoo on a Dell Latitude, and I > > > would run binary video drivers so I could get hardware acceleration. > > > Every time the kernel updated, the video driver broke because it was > > > compiled for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringA, so it wouldn't load for > > > kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringB. (Incidentally, this kind of subtle > > > incompatibility that would completely break things and sometimes end up > > > with circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved drove me to finally > > > abandon Gentoo. The worst was when it would break gcc, so you couldn't > > > go anywhere from there. > > > > Yes, you are right about that. The way modules work is that they are loaded > > from the directory tree /lib/modules//. > > > > The reason for this is that kernel modules become a part of the operating system > > itself and are very dependent on exported names. Each time the kernel changes, > > all the modules need to be updated too. This includes proprietary modules. I > > use both nvidia and vmware and have to go through that every time I upgrade the > > kernel. There is also an internal check made when loading that ensures the > > module was built with the same version of gcc as the kernel. Otherwise, there > > could be latent differences that could inadvertently hose your system. > > > > For me, the process is build a new kernel, boot into level 3 (command line) like > > I always do, build the nvidia driver, and startx. Then I can build the vmware > > module when needed. > > > > All this is not really hard once yoou've done it a couple of times, but to > > someone who just loads a pre-compiled distro like SuSE, Fedora, or Ubuntu, it > > can cause problems that they don't know how to fix. > > > > The optimal solution would be for makers of proprietary drivers to just open > > source the code into the kernel, but some are just unwilling to do that. > > > > -- Bruce > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 19:35:44 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:35:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> redpill-master wrote: > I was searching through my /usr/share/doc looking for an interesting > tutorial to run myself through when I suddenly realized that there has > got to be a better way then doing this through my file manager. I was > wondering if anyone knew if there was a app (within Ubuntu) which would > add a menu folder labeled tutorials which would have all of the various > tutorial packaged within the Ubuntu distro already listed. this would > not necessarily need to be a menu option it could for instance modify my > firefox by adding bookmarks to the relavant html pages. > On my SuSE 10.3 box, there's a command called "info". (pardon the past if the formatting doesn't come out right) File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Enscript: (enscript). GNU Enscript * Gzip: (gzip). The gzip command for compressing files. * ZSH: (zsh). The Z Shell Manual. Libraries * AA-lib: (aalib). An ASCII-art graphics library * History: (history). The GNU history library API. * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API. * libIDL2: (libIDL2). Interface Definition Language parsing library. Texinfo documentation system * Info: (info). How to use the documentation browsing system. * info standalone: (info-stnd). Read Info documents without Emacs. * infokey: (info-stnd)Invoking infokey. Compile Info customizations. Individual utilities * aclocal: (automake)Invoking aclocal. Generating aclocal.m4. * autoconf: (autoconf)autoconf Invocation. How to create configuration scripts * autoheader: (autoconf)autoheader Invocation. How to create configuration templates -----Info: (dir)Top, 351 lines --Top---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. or, how about... info mount? File: *manpages*, Node: mount, Up: (dir) MOUNT(8) Linux Programmer's Manual MOUNT(8) NAME mount - mount a file system SYNOPSIS mount [-lhV] mount -a [-fFnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-O optlist] mount [-fnrsvw] [-o options [,...]] device | dir mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir DESCRIPTION All files accessible in a Unix system are arranged in one big tree, the file hierarchy, rooted at /. These files can be spread out over sev- eral devices. The mount command serves to attach the file system found on some device to the big file tree. Conversely, the umount(8) command will detach it again. The standard form of the mount command, is mount -t type device dir This tells the kernel to attach the file system found on device (which is of type type) at the directory dir. The previous contents (if any) and owner and mode of dir become invisible, and as long as this file system remains mounted, the pathname dir refers to the root of the file system on device. Three forms of invocation do not actually mount anything: mount -h prints a help message; mount -V prints a version string; and just mount [-l] [-t type] -----Info: (*manpages*)mount, 1506 lines --Top------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. Let your imagination run wild, with what information you need. -Geoff From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 19:35:53 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:35:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245717353.9124.26.camel@redpill-laptop> never mind I found a gui prog called devhelp which does what I need Todd On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 18:36 -0500, redpill-master wrote: > I was searching through my /usr/share/doc looking for an interesting > tutorial to run myself through when I suddenly realized that there has > got to be a better way then doing this through my file manager. I was > wondering if anyone knew if there was a app (within Ubuntu) which would > add a menu folder labeled tutorials which would have all of the various > tutorial packaged within the Ubuntu distro already listed. this would > not necessarily need to be a menu option it could for instance modify my > firefox by adding bookmarks to the relavant html pages. > > thanks in advance > Todd > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 19:50:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 19:50:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1245718248.9124.28.camel@redpill-laptop> thanks for the info command. it works in ubuntu as well. it seems to offer more options then the gui devhelp. Todd On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:35 -0500, Geoff wrote: > redpill-master wrote: > > I was searching through my /usr/share/doc looking for an interesting > > tutorial to run myself through when I suddenly realized that there has > > got to be a better way then doing this through my file manager. I was > > wondering if anyone knew if there was a app (within Ubuntu) which would > > add a menu folder labeled tutorials which would have all of the various > > tutorial packaged within the Ubuntu distro already listed. this would > > not necessarily need to be a menu option it could for instance modify my > > firefox by adding bookmarks to the relavant html pages. > > > > On my SuSE 10.3 box, there's a command called "info". > > (pardon the past if the formatting doesn't come out right) > > File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree > > This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. > Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, > "h" gives a primer for first-timers, > "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. > > In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference > to select it. > > * Menu: > > Utilities > * Enscript: (enscript). GNU Enscript > * Gzip: (gzip). The gzip command for compressing files. > * ZSH: (zsh). The Z Shell Manual. > > Libraries > * AA-lib: (aalib). An ASCII-art graphics library > * History: (history). The GNU history library API. > * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API. > * libIDL2: (libIDL2). Interface Definition Language parsing library. > > > Texinfo documentation system > * Info: (info). How to use the documentation browsing system. > * info standalone: (info-stnd). Read Info documents without Emacs. > * infokey: (info-stnd)Invoking infokey. Compile Info customizations. > > Individual utilities > * aclocal: (automake)Invoking aclocal. Generating aclocal.m4. > * autoconf: (autoconf)autoconf Invocation. > How to create configuration scripts > * autoheader: (autoconf)autoheader Invocation. > How to create configuration templates > -----Info: (dir)Top, 351 lines > --Top---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. > > or, how about... info mount? > > File: *manpages*, Node: mount, Up: (dir) > > MOUNT(8) Linux Programmer's Manual MOUNT(8) > > NAME > mount - mount a file system > > SYNOPSIS > mount [-lhV] > > mount -a [-fFnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-O optlist] > mount [-fnrsvw] [-o options [,...]] device | dir > mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir > > DESCRIPTION > All files accessible in a Unix system are arranged in one big tree, the > file hierarchy, rooted at /. These files can be spread out over sev- > eral devices. The mount command serves to attach the file system found > on some device to the big file tree. Conversely, the umount(8) command > will detach it again. > > The standard form of the mount command, is > mount -t type device dir > This tells the kernel to attach the file system found on device (which > is of type type) at the directory dir. The previous contents (if any) > and owner and mode of dir become invisible, and as long as this file > system remains mounted, the pathname dir refers to the root of the file > system on device. > > Three forms of invocation do not actually mount anything: > mount -h > prints a help message; > mount -V > prints a version string; and just > mount [-l] [-t type] > -----Info: (*manpages*)mount, 1506 lines > --Top------------------------------------------------------------------ > Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. > > Let your imagination run wild, with what information you need. > > -Geoff > From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 22:18:51 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:18:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906222018s24b61a75odf9926f7d1da079c@mail.gmail.com> OK I have reinstalled the new RMA'd mobo. Now I can't even get the board to boot into linux, actually let me be specific it will not boot at all. Everytime I boot it shows the CPU (P4 2.6Ghz with HT) sometimes it shows 2GB of memory other times the 3GB that is installed, however most of the time it doesn't even show the memory. other than that.... no joy won't even get past the install. I'm going to remove the NVidia 7600 card and see if the via drivers will boot the machine off of the native VIA GPU. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM, redpill-master wrote: > when ever I have these problems in Ubuntu the following ussualy brings > me back to the basic non-accerated display sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh > xserver.xorg. bu the way I found this command in the intro comments on > the xorg.conf file > > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:18 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > > If you know it is your video driver, you could do this: > > > > replace the "nvidia" driver in your kernel with the "nv" driver. > > Eventually, you want to compile the nvidia driver again and > > change back. But for now this should get you going. > > > > -b. > > > > > > Crandall, Sean wrote: > > > > This has happened to me many times, and you're right, it's always > been a > > > > video driver issue. I used to run Gentoo on a Dell Latitude, and I > > > > would run binary video drivers so I could get hardware acceleration. > > > > Every time the kernel updated, the video driver broke because it was > > > > compiled for kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringA, so it wouldn't load for > > > > kernel-2.6.xyzlongstringB. (Incidentally, this kind of subtle > > > > incompatibility that would completely break things and sometimes end > up > > > > with circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved drove me to > finally > > > > abandon Gentoo. The worst was when it would break gcc, so you > couldn't > > > > go anywhere from there. > > > > > > Yes, you are right about that. The way modules work is that they are > loaded > > > from the directory tree /lib/modules//. > > > > > > The reason for this is that kernel modules become a part of the > operating system > > > itself and are very dependent on exported names. Each time the kernel > changes, > > > all the modules need to be updated too. This includes proprietary > modules. I > > > use both nvidia and vmware and have to go through that every time I > upgrade the > > > kernel. There is also an internal check made when loading that ensures > the > > > module was built with the same version of gcc as the kernel. > Otherwise, there > > > could be latent differences that could inadvertently hose your system. > > > > > > For me, the process is build a new kernel, boot into level 3 (command > line) like > > > I always do, build the nvidia driver, and startx. Then I can build the > vmware > > > module when needed. > > > > > > All this is not really hard once yoou've done it a couple of times, but > to > > > someone who just loads a pre-compiled distro like SuSE, Fedora, or > Ubuntu, it > > > can cause problems that they don't know how to fix. > > > > > > The optimal solution would be for makers of proprietary drivers to just > open > > > source the code into the kernel, but some are just unwilling to do > that. > > > > > > -- Bruce > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jun 22 22:28:33 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:28:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906222018s24b61a75odf9926f7d1da079c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> <7c63fb3d0906222018s24b61a75odf9926f7d1da079c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A404BE1.2060302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Peter Cross wrote: > OK I have reinstalled the new RMA'd mobo. Now I can't even get the board to > boot into linux, actually let me be specific it will not boot at all. > Everytime I boot it shows the CPU (P4 2.6Ghz with HT) sometimes it shows 2GB > of memory other times the 3GB that is installed, however most of the time it > doesn't even show the memory. other than that.... no joy won't even get past > the install. I'm going to remove the NVidia 7600 card and see if the via > drivers will boot the machine off of the native VIA GPU. I'm suspecting something that's (as far as I can tell) been common in all these iterations, and that would be the power supply. From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 22:45:37 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:45:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <4A404BE1.2060302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> <7c63fb3d0906222018s24b61a75odf9926f7d1da079c@mail.gmail.com> <4A404BE1.2060302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906222045q23be58a5j71f8d6b9474a2741@mail.gmail.com> captains log... supplemental upon removing the captured Romulan Plasma injector (Nvidia 7600 Graphics card) the warp core (my system) will attempt warp core ignition sequences. However upon initial warp core start sequence (AKA Fedora will boot in XXX seconds) emergency autoshutoff sequences start and the warp core scrams. Various errors received... init error please reboot, error 00007508 etc so the video card is bad... how can the power supply power one board but not another... my calculated power consumption is less than 180 watts and it's a 300 watt supply. System now recognizes 2.75 Gigs of ram... sigh... getting closer. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Geoff wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > > OK I have reinstalled the new RMA'd mobo. Now I can't even get the board > to > > boot into linux, actually let me be specific it will not boot at all. > > Everytime I boot it shows the CPU (P4 2.6Ghz with HT) sometimes it shows > 2GB > > of memory other times the 3GB that is installed, however most of the time > it > > doesn't even show the memory. other than that.... no joy won't even get > past > > the install. I'm going to remove the NVidia 7600 card and see if the via > > drivers will boot the machine off of the native VIA GPU. > > I'm suspecting something that's (as far as I can tell) been common in > all these iterations, and that would be the power supply. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jun 22 22:53:50 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:53:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Motherboard Issues with Fedora 9 and 10 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906222045q23be58a5j71f8d6b9474a2741@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906230018.n5N0IDgG007572@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1245716519.9124.24.camel@redpill-laptop> <7c63fb3d0906222018s24b61a75odf9926f7d1da079c@mail.gmail.com> <4A404BE1.2060302@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7c63fb3d0906222045q23be58a5j71f8d6b9474a2741@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245729230.9124.31.camel@redpill-laptop> you know those Romulan didn't make very good power supplies. your PS could have killed your vid and may still be causing other probs. If you need a Federation PS to test with your welcome to use my test bed parts. contact me off-list if you need Todd On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 22:45 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > captains log... supplemental > > upon removing the captured Romulan Plasma injector (Nvidia 7600 Graphics > card) the warp core (my system) will attempt warp core ignition sequences. > However upon initial warp core start sequence (AKA Fedora will boot in XXX > seconds) emergency autoshutoff sequences start and the warp core scrams. > > Various errors received... init error please reboot, error 00007508 etc > > so the video card is bad... how can the power supply power one board but not > another... my calculated power consumption is less than 180 watts and it's a > 300 watt supply. System now recognizes 2.75 Gigs of ram... sigh... getting > closer. > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Geoff wrote: > > > Peter Cross wrote: > > > OK I have reinstalled the new RMA'd mobo. Now I can't even get the board > > to > > > boot into linux, actually let me be specific it will not boot at all. > > > Everytime I boot it shows the CPU (P4 2.6Ghz with HT) sometimes it shows > > 2GB > > > of memory other times the 3GB that is installed, however most of the time > > it > > > doesn't even show the memory. other than that.... no joy won't even get > > past > > > the install. I'm going to remove the NVidia 7600 card and see if the via > > > drivers will boot the machine off of the native VIA GPU. > > > > I'm suspecting something that's (as far as I can tell) been common in > > all these iterations, and that would be the power supply. > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 05:06:42 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 23 05:06:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop><4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Try google and quit making the group babysit you Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:35:44 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials redpill-master wrote: > I was searching through my /usr/share/doc looking for an interesting > tutorial to run myself through when I suddenly realized that there has > got to be a better way then doing this through my file manager. I was > wondering if anyone knew if there was a app (within Ubuntu) which would > add a menu folder labeled tutorials which would have all of the various > tutorial packaged within the Ubuntu distro already listed. this would > not necessarily need to be a menu option it could for instance modify my > firefox by adding bookmarks to the relavant html pages. > On my SuSE 10.3 box, there's a command called "info". (pardon the past if the formatting doesn't come out right) File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Enscript: (enscript). GNU Enscript * Gzip: (gzip). The gzip command for compressing files. * ZSH: (zsh). The Z Shell Manual. Libraries * AA-lib: (aalib). An ASCII-art graphics library * History: (history). The GNU history library API. * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API. * libIDL2: (libIDL2). Interface Definition Language parsing library. Texinfo documentation system * Info: (info). How to use the documentation browsing system. * info standalone: (info-stnd). Read Info documents without Emacs. * infokey: (info-stnd)Invoking infokey. Compile Info customizations. Individual utilities * aclocal: (automake)Invoking aclocal. Generating aclocal.m4. * autoconf: (autoconf)autoconf Invocation. How to create configuration scripts * autoheader: (autoconf)autoheader Invocation. How to create configuration templates -----Info: (dir)Top, 351 lines --Top---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. or, how about... info mount? File: *manpages*, Node: mount, Up: (dir) MOUNT(8) Linux Programmer's Manual MOUNT(8) NAME mount - mount a file system SYNOPSIS mount [-lhV] mount -a [-fFnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-O optlist] mount [-fnrsvw] [-o options [,...]] device | dir mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir DESCRIPTION All files accessible in a Unix system are arranged in one big tree, the file hierarchy, rooted at /. These files can be spread out over sev- eral devices. The mount command serves to attach the file system found on some device to the big file tree. Conversely, the umount(8) command will detach it again. The standard form of the mount command, is mount -t type device dir This tells the kernel to attach the file system found on device (which is of type type) at the directory dir. The previous contents (if any) and owner and mode of dir become invisible, and as long as this file system remains mounted, the pathname dir refers to the root of the file system on device. Three forms of invocation do not actually mount anything: mount -h prints a help message; mount -V prints a version string; and just mount [-l] [-t type] -----Info: (*manpages*)mount, 1506 lines --Top------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to Info version 4.9. Type ? for help, m for menu item. Let your imagination run wild, with what information you need. -Geoff -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jun 23 06:46:23 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jun 23 06:46:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop><4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A40C08F.1020407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > Try google and quit making the group babysit you > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > So much for Lemire saying he'd never post to SATLUG again. Then again, after his declaration, he posted what... three more message -that day-? Go away, Chris. You're a pain in the a$$. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jun 23 11:07:10 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jun 23 11:07:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: For sale 19" Server Racks. Message-ID: <4A40FDAE.7090406@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Hey gang. Currently listed on houston.craigslist.com http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/1234701111.html http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/1234691171.html I'm offering this deal to SATLUG'ers: If you're interested in both, I'll load them up in my truck, haul them to San Antonio (or wherever) and deliver them for $400 for the pair. The catch? You -must- take both at the same time. Or, if someone is interested in one and someone else is interested in the other, and are in the same area (both in the same town) then I'll separate them. In such a case, consideration for gas is requested. Call G&R Transfer @ 281-443-2193. Ask for Geoff or Rhonni. -Geoff From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Jun 23 11:30:08 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue Jun 23 11:30:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop><4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > Try google and quit making the group babysit you That's the kind of rudeness we can do without, 'mkay? Go pick on someone else. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to run into someone with a CCW permit and solve both our problems. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Jun 23 11:37:45 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Jun 23 11:37:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop><4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A4104D9.2030604@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Brad Knowles wrote: > christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > >> Try google and quit making the group babysit you > > That's the kind of rudeness we can do without, 'mkay? > > Go pick on someone else. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to run into > someone with a CCW permit and solve both our problems. > a better question to ask Chris isl has he started doing his own homework, yet? talk about needing a babysitter... From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 12:25:21 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:25:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: For sale 19" Server Racks. In-Reply-To: <4A40FDAE.7090406@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A40FDAE.7090406@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <869de8470906231025i303f392dn378671c428273d53@mail.gmail.com> damn, I wish I had the cash.. :( FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Geoff wrote: > Hey gang. > > Currently listed on houston.craigslist.com > http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/1234701111.html > http://houston.craigslist.org/sys/1234691171.html > > I'm offering this deal to SATLUG'ers: > > If you're interested in both, I'll load them up in my truck, haul them > to San Antonio (or wherever) and deliver them for $400 for the pair. > The catch? You -must- take both at the same time. ?Or, if someone is > interested in one and someone else is interested in the other, and are > in the same area (both in the same town) then I'll separate them. > In such a case, consideration for gas is requested. > > Call G&R Transfer @ 281-443-2193. ?Ask for Geoff or Rhonni. > > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From president at satlug.org Tue Jun 23 12:37:28 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:37:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0906231037v7ac10574jad546f4774adfc2d@mail.gmail.com> Everybody drop the name-calling and rudeness. No one wants to see it & we don't need to have that type of thing on the mailing list for anyone to see when they are searching for info on SATLUG. This list has been pretty good at being self-policing. We don't want to HAVE to go to a moderated list, but if this kind of name calling continues.... Basically what I'm saying is: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! Jim On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > > Try google and quit making the group babysit you >> > > That's the kind of rudeness we can do without, 'mkay? > > Go pick on someone else. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to run into > someone with a CCW permit and solve both our problems. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 12:39:12 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:39:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0906231037v7ac10574jad546f4774adfc2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> <8c9fbbeb0906231037v7ac10574jad546f4774adfc2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906231039q4f538b64jd9239831b1852cfc@mail.gmail.com> agreed and amen On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Everybody drop the name-calling and rudeness. No one wants to see it & we > don't need to have that type of thing on the mailing list for anyone to see > when they are searching for info on SATLUG. > > This list has been pretty good at being self-policing. We don't want to > HAVE to go to a moderated list, but if this kind of name calling > continues.... > > Basically what I'm saying is: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! > > Jim > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Brad Knowles >wrote: > > > christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Try google and quit making the group babysit you > >> > > > > That's the kind of rudeness we can do without, 'mkay? > > > > Go pick on someone else. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to run into > > someone with a CCW permit and solve both our problems. > > > > -- > > Brad Knowles > > LinkedIn Profile: > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:42:56 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:43:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 05:06:42 christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > Try google and quit making the group babysit you > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff > Sigh... yet another SATLUG user added to my filters to go straight to trash. I think this makes it 3 now who have been granted that honor. I was actually finding the information in this thread interesting and now this. John C From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 13:53:25 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 13:53:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] preliminary assesment of Opera Unite Message-ID: <1245783205.16359.18.camel@redpill-laptop> As some of you may know I have been messing around with Opera Unite and thus far...well lets just say that Opera Unite is still very much Beta software (maybe even Alpha quality). Biggest problem is the sluggishness of the server software that is integrated into the Opera Browser. At first I thought it might be my connection but then I set up the same web-page on apache on the same box got a DynDNS address and then compared the upload speeds on my laptop while connected to my neighbor's wifi. It was like night and day. see for your self apache/dyndns > http://r3d91ll.homelinux.net/ opera Unite > http://home.redpill-master.operaunite.com/webserver_1/content/ that said I do think that the software hold potential one the get the kinks worked out. I can't wait to see this package again at around December. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:27:01 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:27:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] a more viable alternative to Opera Unite Message-ID: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> I am sure that most of this is not new to many of you but maybe some of our less experienced members might find the following useful. my recent foray into Opera Unite got me to thinking, what would it take to bring these services to my own personal webpage with currently available F/OSS. sure I can ssh into my system bring up amarok with this little handy command $ ssh -C -X username@youripaddress amarok but where is the fun in that? I want to make it available on my website just like I can with opera unite. So how to fix this...step one set up apache and copy my homepage over from the opera directory and into /var/www/...set 2 setup and install mediatomb...setup three open up the mediatomb port in my firewall...step four modify my home page to include the following link http://r3d91ll.homelinux.net:49153 and viola not only do I have a way to get my music up and on the web but I also can get my pictures and video up and all in 4 easy steps. the above assumes that you either have a static ip address or an account with dyndns.com or some other similar service. now for a question...what sort of security issues do I now need to worry about by having this port open? Anyone know of any exploits which could be dangerous or otherwise harmful? Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:29:44 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:29:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> OK since I was the one who had his head bitten off, please let this be the last comment on this topic. now can we all just move on Todd On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 14:13 -0500, Michael wrote: > John D Choate wrote: > > John C > > > > Sigh... yet another SATLUG user added to my filters to go straight to > > trash. I think this makes it 3 now who have been granted that honor. I > > was actually finding the information in this thread interesting and > > now this. > > Forgive me for lecturing the list but it is proven that negative > reinforcement is /still/ reinforcement. From an elementary school > teacher's point of view, my two cents is that it is better to just go > ahead and put the individual in question in your kill file/filter/list > and *not post anything* on the list about it. > > I have only been watching the list for a few months and I am impressed > how little negativity this list has. If the last eight months are any > indication, this list has some real high caliber people posting to it. > Compared to some other lists that I have been on and some that I am > still on, this list is by far the best as far as noise to content ratio. > > Mike From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:31:00 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:31:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] a more viable alternative to Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906231231l2d256c1cwda824d129e615b0b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, redpill-master wrote: > I am sure that most of this is not new to many of you but maybe some of > our less experienced members might find the following useful. > > my recent foray into Opera Unite got me to thinking, what would it take > to bring these services to my own personal webpage with currently > available F/OSS. > > sure I can ssh into my system bring up amarok with this little handy > command $ ssh -C -X username@youripaddress amarok but where is the fun > in that? ?I want to make it available on my website just like I can with > opera unite. > > So how to fix this...step one set up apache and copy my homepage over > from the opera directory and into /var/www/...set 2 setup and install > mediatomb...setup three open up the mediatomb port in my firewall...step > four modify my home page to include the following link > http://r3d91ll.homelinux.net:49153 and viola not only do I have a way to > get my music up and on the web but I also can get my pictures and video > up and all in 4 easy steps. > > the above assumes that you either have a static ip address or an account > with dyndns.com or some other similar service. > > now for a question...what sort of security issues do I now need to worry > about by having this port open? ?Anyone know of any exploits which could > be dangerous or otherwise harmful? Personally I wouldn't open any kind of media access to the outside. You are basically giving people rights to your music and video collection which brings up the whole legal matter. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:34:21 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:34:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: Don't sweat it Todd. This happens from time to time. You were just being inquisitive about a new product from Opera. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone will move on as normal. I know I posted it on another topic (list?) but have you checked out the plain old webserver (POW) add-on for firefox? It has some similarity with Unite. I use it a lot for development. Ernest On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, redpill-master wrote: > OK since I was the one who had his head bitten off, please let this be > the last comment on this topic. > > now can we all just move on > > Todd > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 14:13 -0500, Michael wrote: > > John D Choate wrote: > > > John C > > > > > > Sigh... yet another SATLUG user added to my filters to go straight to > > > trash. I think this makes it 3 now who have been granted that honor. I > > > was actually finding the information in this thread interesting and > > > now this. > > > > Forgive me for lecturing the list but it is proven that negative > > reinforcement is /still/ reinforcement. From an elementary school > > teacher's point of view, my two cents is that it is better to just go > > ahead and put the individual in question in your kill file/filter/list > > and *not post anything* on the list about it. > > > > I have only been watching the list for a few months and I am impressed > > how little negativity this list has. If the last eight months are any > > indication, this list has some real high caliber people posting to it. > > Compared to some other lists that I have been on and some that I am > > still on, this list is by far the best as far as noise to content ratio. > > > > Mike > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:35:39 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:35:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: Oh, and I've been meaning to say this...I like your handle. We should all be red pills. :) E On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Don't sweat it Todd. This happens from time to time. You were just being > inquisitive about a new product from Opera. Nothing wrong with that. > Everyone will move on as normal. > > I know I posted it on another topic (list?) but have you checked out the > plain old webserver (POW) add-on for firefox? It has some similarity with > Unite. I use it a lot for development. > > Ernest > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, redpill-master wrote: > >> OK since I was the one who had his head bitten off, please let this be >> the last comment on this topic. >> >> now can we all just move on >> >> Todd >> >> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 14:13 -0500, Michael wrote: >> > John D Choate wrote: >> > > John C >> > > >> > > Sigh... yet another SATLUG user added to my filters to go straight to >> > > trash. I think this makes it 3 now who have been granted that honor. I >> > > was actually finding the information in this thread interesting and >> > > now this. >> > >> > Forgive me for lecturing the list but it is proven that negative >> > reinforcement is /still/ reinforcement. From an elementary school >> > teacher's point of view, my two cents is that it is better to just go >> > ahead and put the individual in question in your kill file/filter/list >> > and *not post anything* on the list about it. >> > >> > I have only been watching the list for a few months and I am impressed >> > how little negativity this list has. If the last eight months are any >> > indication, this list has some real high caliber people posting to it. >> > Compared to some other lists that I have been on and some that I am >> > still on, this list is by far the best as far as noise to content ratio. >> > >> > Mike >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:37:28 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:37:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] a more viable alternative to Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906231231l2d256c1cwda824d129e615b0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0906231231l2d256c1cwda824d129e615b0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245785848.16359.60.camel@redpill-laptop> > Personally I wouldn't open any kind of media access to the outside. > You are basically giving people rights to your music and video > collection which brings up the whole legal matter. yeah now that I think about it mediatomb might not be the best way to go as it seems to behave more like a ftp server then a streaming media server. Opera Unite steams the media directly to a java music player embeded into its browser thereby giving a individual some legal cover whereas mediatomb may place a person at risk of feeling the wrath of the RIAA. any suggestions on another software package for streaming media through a website? Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:41:21 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:41:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1245786081.16359.63.camel@redpill-laptop> not sweating it a bit but I think that your confusing two different threads I have been participating in today. I am only trying to end this one as Geoff answered my question and the rest was for the most part extraneous bs that deserves to die a quick an final death. so pleas lets all let this thread die a natural death. TIP Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:44:15 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:44:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] a more viable alternative to Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <1245785848.16359.60.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0906231231l2d256c1cwda824d129e615b0b@mail.gmail.com> <1245785848.16359.60.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0906231244q794f1ddp2077476b70223291@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM, redpill-master wrote: >> Personally I wouldn't open any kind of media access to the outside. >> You are basically giving people rights to your music and video >> collection which brings up the whole legal matter. > > yeah now that I think about it mediatomb might not be the best way to go > as it seems to behave more like a ftp server then a streaming media > server. > > Opera Unite steams the media directly to a java music player embeded > into its browser thereby giving a individual some legal cover whereas > mediatomb may place a person at risk of feeling the wrath of the RIAA. > > any suggestions on another software package for streaming media through > a website? On my inside network I use XBMC and DAAP for music/video streaming to my Xbox. In the past I used to use Andromeda for my music. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:50:43 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:50:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Opera Unite alternatives Message-ID: <1245786643.16359.73.camel@redpill-laptop> To answer Ernest's early remarks from a now dead thread. I have not tried plain old webserver (POW) mostly because I just figured out how easy it was to set up apache. I set it up this morning for the first time on my home server in about 3 hours. what really intrigued me about Opera Unite was the fact that they had taken a webserver, media streamer, ftp server, chat room, and dynamic dns service all in one package that is relatively easy to set up and maintain. WOW seems like (and I really hesitate to use this term) a killer app to me....Ohh god I have just dated myself to the late 90's....lol Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 14:54:35 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:54:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] a more viable alternative to Opera Unite In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0906231244q794f1ddp2077476b70223291@mail.gmail.com> References: <1245785221.16359.52.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0906231231l2d256c1cwda824d129e615b0b@mail.gmail.com> <1245785848.16359.60.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0906231244q794f1ddp2077476b70223291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245786875.16359.76.camel@redpill-laptop> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 14:44 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM, redpill-master wrote: > >> Personally I wouldn't open any kind of media access to the outside. > >> You are basically giving people rights to your music and video > >> collection which brings up the whole legal matter. > > > > yeah now that I think about it mediatomb might not be the best way to go > > as it seems to behave more like a ftp server then a streaming media > > server. > > > > Opera Unite steams the media directly to a java music player embeded > > into its browser thereby giving a individual some legal cover whereas > > mediatomb may place a person at risk of feeling the wrath of the RIAA. > > > > any suggestions on another software package for streaming media through > > a website? > > On my inside network I use XBMC and DAAP for music/video streaming to > my Xbox. In the past I used to use Andromeda for my music. > Ill give those a look over and see if they'll suit my needs. thanks also does anyone know if password protecting access to mediatomb on my webpage will offer any legal cover? Todd From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 15:08:59 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:09:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4A410310.9090304@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: Yeah, Well I was just cursed out for the second time by Geoff? If you think I'm lying, I'll forward you the message. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > christopher.lemire@gmail.com wrote: > > Try google and quit making the group babysit you >> > > That's the kind of rudeness we can do without, 'mkay? > > Go pick on someone else. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to run into > someone with a CCW permit and solve both our problems. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 15:10:41 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:10:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Help with tutorials In-Reply-To: <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1245713767.9124.7.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A402360.5070005@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1454177524-1245751606-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1085739252-@bxe1309.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200906231342.56354.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1245785384.16359.55.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: No, the message was directed towards Geoff, not you. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, redpill-master wrote: > OK since I was the one who had his head bitten off, please let this be > the last comment on this topic. > > now can we all just move on > > Todd > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 14:13 -0500, Michael wrote: > > John D Choate wrote: > > > John C > > > > > > Sigh... yet another SATLUG user added to my filters to go straight to > > > trash. I think this makes it 3 now who have been granted that honor. I > > > was actually finding the information in this thread interesting and > > > now this. > > > > Forgive me for lecturing the list but it is proven that negative > > reinforcement is /still/ reinforcement. From an elementary school > > teacher's point of view, my two cents is that it is better to just go > > ahead and put the individual in question in your kill file/filter/list > > and *not post anything* on the list about it. > > > > I have only been watching the list for a few months and I am impressed > > how little negativity this list has. If the last eight months are any > > indication, this list has some real high caliber people posting to it. > > Compared to some other lists that I have been on and some that I am > > still on, this list is by far the best as far as noise to content ratio. > > > > Mike > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 16:55:05 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:55:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off Topic for this list but... Power Supply brands Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> Off topic conversation but.... Looking at a new power supplies and have never really bought a stand alone power supply what brands does everyone recommend? I have received thus far that OCZ, cooler master, Mushkin, and Antec are reliable brands. Anything else? -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From hc at lookcee.com Tue Jun 23 17:09:31 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:09:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off Topic for this list but... Power Supply brands In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A41529B.7000507@lookcee.com> Peter Cross wrote: > Off topic conversation but.... > > Looking at a new power supplies and have never really bought a stand alone > power supply what brands does everyone recommend? I have received thus far > that OCZ, cooler master, Mushkin, and Antec are reliable brands. Anything > else? > > Peter is this to mount in a standard type case? I use the ATX mini-tower and recently upgraded both my P/S to OKIA Mod LC8460BTX Switching power supplys. They both run cool and silent and have had no problems and they were about $20ea from a seller on Ebay herb From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 17:13:10 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:13:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off Topic for this list but... Power Supply brands In-Reply-To: <4A41529B.7000507@lookcee.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> <4A41529B.7000507@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0906231513w35934c76tc14fd776ac569216@mail.gmail.com> Yeah i guess it would help if I was specific as to what I need... ATX case for a personal PC, case is an APEX PC-139 Thanks Herb I'll add it to the list On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > >> Off topic conversation but.... >> >> Looking at a new power supplies and have never really bought a stand alone >> power supply what brands does everyone recommend? I have received thus far >> that OCZ, cooler master, Mushkin, and Antec are reliable brands. Anything >> else? >> >> >> > > Peter is this to mount in a standard type case? I use the ATX mini-tower > and recently upgraded both my P/S to OKIA Mod LC8460BTX Switching power > supplys. They both run cool and silent and have had no problems and they > were about $20ea from a seller on Ebay > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jun 23 18:09:59 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill-master) Date: Tue Jun 23 18:10:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off Topic for this list but... Power Supply brands In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0906231513w35934c76tc14fd776ac569216@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> <4A41529B.7000507@lookcee.com> <7c63fb3d0906231513w35934c76tc14fd776ac569216@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1245798599.16359.78.camel@redpill-laptop> I alway liked ultra myself. they were the first after all with the modular power supply. buy the way I would spend the extra $10-$15 for a modular ps no matter what the brand. Todd On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 17:13 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > Yeah i guess it would help if I was specific as to what I need... > > ATX case for a personal PC, case is an APEX PC-139 > > Thanks Herb I'll add it to the list > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > > > Peter Cross wrote: > > > >> Off topic conversation but.... > >> > >> Looking at a new power supplies and have never really bought a stand alone > >> power supply what brands does everyone recommend? I have received thus far > >> that OCZ, cooler master, Mushkin, and Antec are reliable brands. Anything > >> else? > >> > >> > >> > > > > Peter is this to mount in a standard type case? I use the ATX mini-tower > > and recently upgraded both my P/S to OKIA Mod LC8460BTX Switching power > > supplys. They both run cool and silent and have had no problems and they > > were about $20ea from a seller on Ebay > > herb > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email From hc at lookcee.com Tue Jun 23 19:00:05 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Jun 23 19:00:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off Topic for this list but... Power Supply brands In-Reply-To: <1245798599.16359.78.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7c63fb3d0906231455s41358e8h2595a6f20ee12469@mail.gmail.com> <4A41529B.7000507@lookcee.com> <7c63fb3d0906231513w35934c76tc14fd776ac569216@mail.gmail.com> <1245798599.16359.78.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A416C85.8000505@lookcee.com> redpill-master wrote: > I alway liked ultra myself. they were the first after all with the > modular power supply. buy the way I would spend the extra $10-$15 for a > modular ps no matter what the brand. > > Todd > > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 17:13 -0500, Peter Cross wrote: > >> Yeah i guess it would help if I was specific as to what I need... >> >> ATX case for a personal PC, case is an APEX PC-139 >> >> Thanks Herb I'll add it to the list >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Herb Cee wrote: >> >> >>> Peter Cross wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Off topic conversation but.... >>>> >>>> Looking at a new power supplies and have never really bought a stand alone >>>> power supply what brands does everyone recommend? I have received thus far >>>> that OCZ, cooler master, Mushkin, and Antec are reliable brands. Anything >>>> else? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Peter is this to mount in a standard type case? I use the ATX mini-tower >>> and recently upgraded both my P/S to OKIA Mod LC8460BTX Switching power >>> supplys. They both run cool and silent and have had no problems and they >>> were about $20ea from a seller on Ebay >>> herb >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Peter J.