From tweeks at rackspace.com Tue Dec 1 08:33:01 2009 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (Tweeks) Date: Tue Dec 1 08:35:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Admin and Network-Security Positions at Rackspace Message-ID: <200912010833.02669.tweeks@rackspace.com> We have several openings in multiple areas right now... in San Antonio and Austin: Linux Engineers Linux Administrator II+ Network Security Admin Network Engineer II+ Most of these positions are customer facing, and focus on interpersonal skills, all positions require keen technical skills. More info here: http://www.rackspacecareers.com/index.php?page=joblistings NOTE: In job category, select one or more of: Engineering IT Information Services Intensive Managed Network Security Rackspace Enterprise Support Rackspace Mail & Apps Slicehost The Rackspace Cloud If you would like for me to look over your resume and see if you're a good fit for a specific job slot, I can give you a rough idea for what's needed for the various group's slots (mind you, I'm not all knowing about all the positions, but can get you at least ball-parked for qualifications). If interested, feel free to send a PDF copy of your resume to me at tweeks-jobs at theweeks d0t 0rg (.doc and .docx are routed to /dev/null) and let me know what specific job (from the website) you're interested in. Cheers, Tweeks From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 03:00:12 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 03:00:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger Message-ID: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? I can't see my emails because messenger lays over all of them and I can't figure out how to turn it off. I never turned it on in the first place. thanks cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 04:14:30 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 04:14:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists Message-ID: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Does anyone know of the existence of any hardware compatibilty lusts for the different distros? I am specifically looking for one for Hardy Heron. I am trying to find wifi cards for towers using it that will work out of the box. Thanks! c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 2 10:11:27 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 2 10:11:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of the existence of any hardware compatibilty lusts for the > different distros? > > I am specifically looking for one for Hardy Heron. I am trying to find wifi > cards for towers using it that will work out of the box. > > Thanks! c > > check out this page on Ubuntu Documentation page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported Todd From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:17:24 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 12:17:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> thank you Todd. checking for options for Mom's PC that uses Hardy. Need something simple preferably that will work out of the box. This looks like good info! will chk it out! thanks again..c On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know of the existence of any hardware compatibilty lusts for >> the >> different distros? >> >> I am specifically looking for one for Hardy Heron. I am trying to find >> wifi >> cards for towers using it that will work out of the box. >> >> Thanks! c >> >> >> > check out this page on Ubuntu Documentation page > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported > > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From lgj at usenix.org Wed Dec 2 12:37:31 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Dec 2 12:37:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENIX TaPP '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <7F8E4FD1-E6C4-4414-9F3F-51B8A232777A@usenix.org> We're writing to remind you that the submissions deadline for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on the Theory and Practice of Provenance (TaPP '10) is approaching. Please submit all work by December 14, 2009, 11:59 p.m. PST. More information and submission guidelines are available at http://www.usenix.org/tapp10/cfpb TaPP '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of provenance. Provenance, or meta-information about computations, computer systems, database queries, scientific workflows, and so on, is emerging as a central issue in a number of disciplines. The TaPP workshop series builds upon a set of Workshops on Principles of Provenance organized in 2007-2009, which helped raise the profile of this area within diverse research communities, such as databases, security, and programming languages. We hope to attract serious cross-disciplinary, foundational, and highly speculative research and to facilitate needed interaction with the broader systems community and with industry. The Program Committee invites you to submit either full papers describing relatively mature work or short papers on ongoing work. We welcome submissions addressing research problems involving provenance in any area of computer science, including but not limited to: - Databases - Programming languages and software engineering - Systems and security - Workflows/scientific computation We look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, Margo Seltzer, Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences Wang-Chiew Tan, University of California, Santa Cruz TaPP '10 Program Chairs tapp10chairs@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ TaPP '10 Call for Papers 2nd USENIX Workshop on the Theory and Practice of Provenance (TaPP '10) February 22, 2010, San Jose, CA http://www.usenix.org/tapp10/cfpb Submissions deadline: December 14, 2009 Sponsored by USENIX in cooperation with ACM SIGOPS and ACM SIGPLAN ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 13:22:59 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Dec 2 13:23:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi all. > > Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? > > I can't see my emails because messenger lays over all of them and I can't > figure out how to turn it off. > > I never turned it on in the first place. Cheryl, what IM client are you using? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 13:43:55 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 13:44:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912021143v60c3ee83h2cf311aec2d59ed6@mail.gmail.com> i would normally x it out but don't see any x's ands neither did a friend of mine. i'll ask someone else to figure it out..thanks c i'll see if i can find a phone number for yahoo and see how i can turn it off permanently too On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? > > > > I can't see my emails because messenger lays over all of them and I can't > > figure out how to turn it off. > > > > I never turned it on in the first place. > > Cheryl, what IM client are you using? > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 17:00:57 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Wed Dec 2 17:01:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? >> >> I can't see my emails because messenger lays over all of them and I can't >> figure out how to turn it off. >> >> I never turned it on in the first place. > > Cheryl, what IM client are you using? > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann I guess she refers to yahoo mail interface/layout, I still use the old setup so... no clue. :) regards, esv. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:47:07 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 20:47:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> i emailed their tech support. i have had to call them before on technical issues in the past. i get so frustrated when something like this happens and virtually takes over your system w/o a means to remove it..c On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > >> Hi all. > >> > >> Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? > >> > >> I can't see my emails because messenger lays over all of them and I > can't > >> figure out how to turn it off. > >> > >> I never turned it on in the first place. > > > > Cheryl, what IM client are you using? > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > > > I guess she refers to yahoo mail interface/layout, I still use the old > setup so... no clue. > > :) > > regards, > esv. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:06:47 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 2 21:06:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? Move to gmail? :) -- Bruce From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:13:08 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Dec 2 21:13:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thank you Todd. ?checking for options for Mom's PC that uses Hardy. ? Need > something simple preferably that will work out of the box. ?This looks like > good info! ?will chk it out! > > thanks again..c > Cheryl, I highly recommend Ubuntu 9.10. I've got it installed on my old Gateway 5350 laptop (1.06 GHz Proc and 1 GB RAM) and it works great! Even better, the Flash Player that get installed, actually plays the Flash Games on Facebook. :) I use a Linksys USB wireless stick and it works while same stick on Windows XP with service pack 3 fails to connect. According to Cisco SP3 broke something and it doesn't look like Cisco plans to fix it. Once again, Linux to the rescue :) Ed From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:16:59 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 21:17:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> hey Bruce, I pretty much have moved to Gmail, but have my namking stuff and some other things on yahoo which used to be my isp sbcgblobal. the sbc global acct comes through yahoo. i have moved what i could at least. :o) c On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? >> > > Move to gmail? :) > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:35:20 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 2 21:35:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > hey Bruce, I pretty much have moved to Gmail, but have my namking stuff and > some other things on yahoo which used to be my isp sbcgblobal. the sbc > global acct comes through yahoo. i have moved what i could at least. :o) c I think in gmail you can forward email somewhere else. You might see if you cna do that with yahoo. Actually I generally prefer to keep my email on my local machine, so I pop it off gmail. The only time I use the web interface is when I am out of town and have my client (seamonkey) turned off. -- Bruce From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 22:41:16 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 2 22:41:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> Linux is awesome and so much better than Windoze! Stuff generally works in Linux, not so with Win. I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, If I upgrade Mom from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and bookmarks? She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not do anything that messes with "her stuff." I know Intrepid is supposed to have better wifi support too, but limited in printer drivers and no LTS :o(. c On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > thank you Todd. checking for options for Mom's PC that uses Hardy. > Need > > something simple preferably that will work out of the box. This looks > like > > good info! will chk it out! > > > > thanks again..c > > > Cheryl, > > I highly recommend Ubuntu 9.10. I've got it installed on my old > Gateway 5350 laptop (1.06 GHz Proc and 1 GB RAM) and it works great! > Even better, the Flash Player that get installed, actually plays the > Flash Games on Facebook. :) > > I use a Linksys USB wireless stick and it works while same stick on > Windows XP with service pack 3 fails to connect. According to Cisco > SP3 broke something and it doesn't look like Cisco plans to fix it. > > Once again, Linux to the rescue :) > > Ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From edcoates at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 22:58:59 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Wed Dec 2 22:59:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0912022058pcbdea33v827e61a9820a30e5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Linux is awesome and so much better than Windoze! ? ?Stuff generally works > in Linux, not so with Win. > > I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, ?If I upgrade Mom > from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and > bookmarks? ?She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not do > anything that messes with "her stuff." > > I know Intrepid is supposed to have better wifi support too, but limited in > printer drivers and no LTS :o(. > > c If you do an upgrade, and not a total re-install, then her settings will be fine. That being said, you cannot do an upgrade from version 8 to version 9.10. You must first upgrade to 9.04, and then upgrade again to 9.10. Ed From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:17:49 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Dec 2 23:17:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >> hey Bruce, I pretty much have moved to Gmail, but have my namking stuff >> and >> some other things on yahoo which used to be my isp sbcgblobal. ? ?the sbc >> global acct comes through yahoo. ?i have moved what i could at least. ?:o) >> c > > I think in gmail you can forward email somewhere else. ?You might see if you > cna do that with yahoo. > > Actually I generally prefer to keep my email on my local machine, so I pop > it off gmail. ?The only time I use the web interface is when I am out of > town and have my client (seamonkey) turned off. > > ?-- Bruce > -- How do you handle getting to email stored on your local machine when you are out of town? IMAP? From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:29:20 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 2 23:29:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B174CB0.8090809@gmail.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > How do you handle getting to email stored on your local machine when > you are out of town? I don't try. I'm semi-retired. If I did want to do that I'd use IMAP. -- Bruce From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Dec 3 00:17:12 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D. Hogan) Date: Thu Dec 3 00:17:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203001712.134342tnm9isrunc@webmail.grandecom.net> You can have gmail import mail from other addresses, including yahoo addresses. In gmail, you just select the settings link, then the "Accounts and Import" tab to have gmail get your mail from other accounts. It doesn't check the imported accounts real-time, but queries them every few minutes to an hour or so. Easy enough to do, as well as setting what addresses it shows that you are sending from. If e-mail to your yahoo address doesn't need immediate access, (i.e. talking to the person on the phone while they are sending it to you to discuss details, etc...), then you should be good to go. Charlie Quoting Cheryl Holmes : > hey Bruce, I pretty much have moved to Gmail, but have my namking stuff and > some other things on yahoo which used to be my isp sbcgblobal. the sbc > global acct comes through yahoo. i have moved what i could at least. :o) c > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >> Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? >>> >> >> Move to gmail? :) >> >> -- Bruce >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Dec 3 01:09:05 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D. Hogan) Date: Thu Dec 3 01:09:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger Message-ID: <20091203010905.15207bve63a4o3kh@webmail.grandecom.net> Similar here. Though nowhere near retired, (or semi-retired for that matter), I have mostly gotten out of all tech as an occupation and moved back into kitchens and cooking, where my true passion is, to earn my keep. I got tired of the work following me home, and the migraines, (not necessarily in that order). My tech clients, all 3~4 of them, know that the servers, websites, and databases are sideline gigs and why. While my wallet misses the few $1000.00+ days we once had servicing oil tankers while they were in port, (the stories I could tell*), my bed and my cats are perfectly content for me not to be sleeping 20+ hours just to get over one day. In 5 years or so, I will have my own restaurant AND the POS will be of either my programming or design, I just have to find the CPA willing to jump into OSS with me. * Yes, the captain said all outlets on that wall were 120V, the chief engineer was there as witness. I still don't know what profanities spewed from my mouth as the power supply blew up in flames. That one outlet was fscking 240V. Fortunately, the power supply valiantly gave it's life to save the brand new machine just plugged in. Quoting Bruce Dubbs : > Robert Pearson wrote: > >> How do you handle getting to email stored on your local machine when >> you are out of town? > > I don't try. I'm semi-retired. If I did want to do that I'd use IMAP. > > -- Bruce > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 3 08:06:08 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Dec 3 08:06:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259849168.8847.17.camel@phrodo> Cheryl, I just moved my laptop to ubuntu 9.10 and all I did for my evolution email and firefox data was tar them up: afcasta@phrodo:~$ tar czvf mail.tgz .evolution afcasta@phrodo:~$ tar czvf firefox.tgz .mozilla on the ubuntu 9.04 computer called phrodo. Then I installed ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, clicked on the email icon at the top of the screen and set up my email variables, then did the same for my firefox setting. I then closed email and firefox, put the two tarballs mail.tgz and firefox.tgz in my home directory on the laptop called picotriffid, and: afcasta@picotriffid:~$ rm -rf .evolution .mozilla afcasta@picotriffid:~$ tar xzvf mail.tgz afcasta@picotriffid:~$ tar xzvf firefox.tgz Then, when I next clicked on the email icon, all my old mail was there and all my settings for firefox, including my bookmarks, were available the next time I clicked on the firefox icon. I know you would rather not deal with the command line, but this is what worked well for me. Al Castanoli On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 22:41 -0600, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Linux is awesome and so much better than Windoze! Stuff generally works > in Linux, not so with Win. > > I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, If I upgrade Mom > from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and > bookmarks? She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not do > anything that messes with "her stuff." > > I know Intrepid is supposed to have better wifi support too, but limited in > printer drivers and no LTS :o(. > > c > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Cheryl Holmes > > wrote: > > > thank you Todd. checking for options for Mom's PC that uses Hardy. > > Need > > > something simple preferably that will work out of the box. This looks > > like > > > good info! will chk it out! > > > > > > thanks again..c > > > > > Cheryl, > > > > I highly recommend Ubuntu 9.10. I've got it installed on my old > > Gateway 5350 laptop (1.06 GHz Proc and 1 GB RAM) and it works great! > > Even better, the Flash Player that get installed, actually plays the > > Flash Games on Facebook. :) > > > > I use a Linksys USB wireless stick and it works while same stick on > > Windows XP with service pack 3 fails to connect. According to Cisco > > SP3 broke something and it doesn't look like Cisco plans to fix it. > > > > Once again, Linux to the rescue :) > > > > Ed > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From johnrkirby at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 08:18:24 2009 From: johnrkirby at gmail.com (John Kirby) Date: Thu Dec 3 08:18:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists Message-ID: <816faeb50912030618m8fa2fechb2a1175bcf25869c@mail.gmail.com> If you're concerned about your mother losing her Firefox settings and bookmarks, just install the Xmarks plug-in. It will automatically migrate your bookmarks (and passwords, if you so desire) to a different installation of Firefox. It's the second plug-in I activate in a new installation, after AdBlock Plus. From j at jvpappas.net Thu Dec 3 08:43:29 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Dec 3 08:43:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450912030643i30971b1ane5875b352f994b06@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 22:17, Robert Pearson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Actually I generally prefer to keep my email on my local machine, so I > pop > > it off gmail. The only time I use the web interface is when I am out of > > town and have my client (seamonkey) turned off. > > > > -- Bruce > > -- > > How do you handle getting to email stored on your local machine when > you are out of town? > IMAP? > IIRC the GMail POP does not delete from server (User configured; default is Keep in Inbox), so the web interface still has access to all the mail unless user specifically deletes in POP settings on GMail. Any organizational structures created would not be created on the server; that would require a sync from the client, and pop does not do that, IMAP would. John From j at jvpappas.net Thu Dec 3 08:49:33 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Dec 3 08:49:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0912022058pcbdea33v827e61a9820a30e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912022058pcbdea33v827e61a9820a30e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450912030649v2769efdftef57a440eb74603c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 21:58, Ed Coates wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > > I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, If I upgrade > Mom > > from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and > > bookmarks? She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not > do > > anything that messes with "her stuff." > > If you do an upgrade, and not a total re-install, then her settings > will be fine. That being said, you cannot do an upgrade from version > 8 to version 9.10. You must first upgrade to 9.04, and then upgrade > again to 9.10. > The best way to protect your "stuff" is a separate /home partition or logical volume (Same as using a D:\ drive in windows and moving "Documents and Settings" to it, so that when you have to nuke C:\ (or /) your settings are safe. I have had my same /home over many upgrades and even across distros. Definitely worth the time/effort to learn how to manage partitions (or even better LVM) to keep your data compartmentalized. HTH, John From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Dec 3 09:14:11 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Dec 3 09:14:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450912030649v2769efdftef57a440eb74603c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912022058pcbdea33v827e61a9820a30e5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450912030649v2769efdftef57a440eb74603c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B17D5C3.9040805@grandecom.net> John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 21:58, Ed Coates wrote: > > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Cheryl Holmes >> wrote: >> >> >>> I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, If I upgrade >>> >> Mom >> >>> from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and >>> bookmarks? She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not >>> >> do >> >>> anything that messes with "her stuff." >>> >> If you do an upgrade, and not a total re-install, then her settings >> will be fine. That being said, you cannot do an upgrade from version >> 8 to version 9.10. You must first upgrade to 9.04, and then upgrade >> again to 9.10. >> >> > > The best way to protect your "stuff" is a separate /home partition or > logical volume (Same as using a D:\ drive in windows and moving "Documents > and Settings" to it, so that when you have to nuke C:\ (or /) your settings > are safe. I have had my same /home over many upgrades and even across > distros. > > Definitely worth the time/effort to learn how to manage partitions (or even > better LVM) to keep your data compartmentalized. > > HTH, > John > Ill second that. Keeping a second partion makes upgrading my ubuntu every six months a dream. Todd From chmims at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 11:02:55 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Dec 3 11:03:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580912030902if33a2c5o562b9ec17413558b@mail.gmail.com> There is an internet site called Xmarks. You can store your Firefox bookmarks there and then sync a new browser to them. I have done it repeatedly after doing a fresh install of an OS (something I much prefer over an upgrade,) Just go to xmarks.com. By the way it works with Linux, Mac, and Windows and with Firefox, IE, Safari and even Chrome. Charles On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Linux is awesome and so much better than Windoze! Stuff generally works > in Linux, not so with Win. > > I have heard a lot of good things recently abt Intrepid, If I upgrade Mom > from Hardy to Intrepid, will she lose all her Firefox settings and > bookmarks? She's 74 so I can't put big changes on her and she will not do > anything that messes with "her stuff." > > I know Intrepid is supposed to have better wifi support too, but limited in > printer drivers and no LTS :o(. > > c > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Cheryl Holmes > > > wrote: > > > thank you Todd. checking for options for Mom's PC that uses Hardy. > > Need > > > something simple preferably that will work out of the box. This looks > > like > > > good info! will chk it out! > > > > > > thanks again..c > > > > > Cheryl, > > > > I highly recommend Ubuntu 9.10. I've got it installed on my old > > Gateway 5350 laptop (1.06 GHz Proc and 1 GB RAM) and it works great! > > Even better, the Flash Player that get installed, actually plays the > > Flash Games on Facebook. :) > > > > I use a Linksys USB wireless stick and it works while same stick on > > Windows XP with service pack 3 fails to connect. According to Cisco > > SP3 broke something and it doesn't look like Cisco plans to fix it. > > > > Once again, Linux to the rescue :) > > > > Ed > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 19:15:52 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Dec 3 19:15:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580912030902if33a2c5o562b9ec17413558b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580912030902if33a2c5o562b9ec17413558b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1862C8.1030909@gmail.com> Charles Mims wrote: > There is an internet site called Xmarks. You can store your Firefox > bookmarks there and then > sync a new browser to them. I have done it repeatedly after doing a fresh > install of an OS (something > I much prefer over an upgrade,) Just go to xmarks.com. > > By the way it works with Linux, Mac, and Windows and with Firefox, IE, > Safari and even Chrome. Unless you are changing the OS, that is not necessary with firefox. All settings are in ~/.mozilla/firefox. Ig you just save the .mozilla directory and restore it in your new system, everything should be OK. -- Bruce From chmims at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 12:13:33 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Fri Dec 4 12:13:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <4B1862C8.1030909@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580912030902if33a2c5o562b9ec17413558b@mail.gmail.com> <4B1862C8.1030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580912041013j7589f23fuc4d926bf410e1e23@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Charles Mims wrote: > >> There is an internet site called Xmarks. You can store your Firefox >> bookmarks there and then >> sync a new browser to them. I have done it repeatedly after doing a fresh >> install of an OS (something >> I much prefer over an upgrade,) Just go to xmarks.com. >> >> By the way it works with Linux, Mac, and Windows and with Firefox, IE, >> Safari and even Chrome. >> > > Unless you are changing the OS, that is not necessary with firefox. All > settings are in ~/.mozilla/firefox. Ig you just save the .mozilla directory > and restore it in your new system, everything should be OK. > > -- Bruce True, but if your bookmarks are uploaded to Xmarks you can copy them not only to Firefox but also IE, Safari and Chrome and any computer with an internet connection. Anyway as usual with Linux there is more than one way to do something. Take your choice. From jc78244 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 16:47:52 2009 From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C) Date: Fri Dec 4 16:47:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75be82090912041447v6e587af1sa72eab7bf63e1fab@mail.gmail.com> Try signing out of yahoo messenger from within yahoo mail (new interface). On my e-mail I have 2 locations for messenger: on the left for contacts and on the top for status. Pull down the arrow for status and mark yourself as offline. This will hide the contacts list. Yahoo mail does have tabs also but for chat this only appears when someone messages me. For classic, you can again select offline to hide most of it or select "hide" to again hide most of it. You can also try using the stripped-down mobile interface. You can also try the "Nuke Anything" plugin for Firefox to remove nearly anything from a webpage. Hope this helps. -Jesse C From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 16:53:34 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Dec 4 16:53:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4 horizontal line menu separator Message-ID: <200912041653.34770.jdchoate@gmail.com> Does anybody know if there is a specific graphic which KDE uses to draw the horizontal menu separator lines? I use these separators in some of my sub-menus, and they show fine in the KDE menu editor. But my latest KDE, version 4.3.80, is missing the graphic for these lines when the menu is opened, instead showing a generic ?-mark icon in place of the horizontal line. If anyone knows the name of the graphic and what the path to it is, I'd love to know. Then I could either track it down or make my own graphic. John C. From jc78244 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 17:07:16 2009 From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C) Date: Fri Dec 4 17:07:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4 horizontal line menu separator In-Reply-To: <200912041653.34770.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200912041653.34770.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75be82090912041507o1cf2bae0wc90bd30518f879fe@mail.gmail.com> How are you making these menus? Are you writing a program or customizing the interface? From jc78244 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 19:23:15 2009 From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C) Date: Fri Dec 4 19:23:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4 horizontal line menu separator In-Reply-To: <75be82090912041507o1cf2bae0wc90bd30518f879fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912041653.34770.jdchoate@gmail.com> <75be82090912041507o1cf2bae0wc90bd30518f879fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75be82090912041723j8cfde98r5fe4d78e8162e5be@mail.gmail.com> It looks like "" should be used in the menu file as found here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s08.html I found this sample file in the documentation here: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-menu.html The application KMenuEdit apparently modifies these settings as well. Hope this helps. -Jesse C. From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 20:44:55 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Dec 4 20:45:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4 horizontal line menu separator In-Reply-To: <75be82090912041723j8cfde98r5fe4d78e8162e5be@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912041653.34770.jdchoate@gmail.com> <75be82090912041507o1cf2bae0wc90bd30518f879fe@mail.gmail.com> <75be82090912041723j8cfde98r5fe4d78e8162e5be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200912042044.55673.jdchoate@gmail.com> Yes... but what I am after, is what "" actually causes kmenu to draw... it must get the graphic from somewhere. Whether it is an .png of a horizontal line which is being loaded up when the menus are drawn, or whatever else... I don't know. The 'unknown' icon showing in my menus tells me that it is an actual .png or other icon, possibly an svg. and that it is missing. Here is what is displayed in kmenu, so the ability to draw the horizontal line is obviously there: http://jdchoate.mcn.org/linux/snap05.png But when the menu gets drawn, the lines are missing and I get an unknown icon: http://jdchoate.mcn.org/linux/snap06.png This is really not very important and will probably be fixed soon. I had searched through /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps for anything with *hor* and *sep* and *line*, in hopes of finding such a graphic, but found none. I was just hoping that someone on this list may know what KDE actually uses to draw those lines. John C. On Friday 04 December 2009 19:23:15 Jesse C wrote: > It looks like "" should be used in the menu file as found > here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s08.html > > I found this sample file in the documentation here: > http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-menu.html > > The application KMenuEdit apparently modifies these settings as well. > > Hope this helps. > > -Jesse C. > From astro at astr0.org Sat Dec 5 05:28:15 2009 From: astro at astr0.org (astro@astr0.org) Date: Sat Dec 5 05:28:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Admin and Network-Security Positions at Rackspace In-Reply-To: <200912010833.02669.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <200912010833.02669.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <1260012495.437524367@192.168.2.228> Likewise, I would be happy to answer any questions regarding some of the Rackspace Cloud positions. Email me directly at astro [AT] astr0 [DOT] org with any questions. -b -----Original Message----- From: "Tweeks" Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 08:33 To: xcssa@xcssa.org Cc: satlug@satlug.org, tweeks-junk2@theweeks.org Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Admin and Network-Security Positions at Rackspace We have several openings in multiple areas right now... in San Antonio and Austin: Linux Engineers Linux Administrator II+ Network Security Admin Network Engineer II+ Most of these positions are customer facing, and focus on interpersonal skills, all positions require keen technical skills. More info here: http://www.rackspacecareers.com/index.php?page=joblistings NOTE: In job category, select one or more of: Engineering IT Information Services Intensive Managed Network Security Rackspace Enterprise Support Rackspace Mail & Apps Slicehost The Rackspace Cloud If you would like for me to look over your resume and see if you're a good fit for a specific job slot, I can give you a rough idea for what's needed for the various group's slots (mind you, I'm not all knowing about all the positions, but can get you at least ball-parked for qualifications). If interested, feel free to send a PDF copy of your resume to me at tweeks-jobs at theweeks d0t 0rg (.doc and .docx are routed to /dev/null) and let me know what specific job (from the website) you're interested in. Cheers, Tweeks -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 06:27:48 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 06:28:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <75be82090912041447v6e587af1sa72eab7bf63e1fab@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <75be82090912041447v6e587af1sa72eab7bf63e1fab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912050427lc097db9p584e96174bb716f0@mail.gmail.com> jesse, i use classic so i will go back again and chk for those tabs or drop downs again. i was so pissed over them doing this and taking over my machine i may have missed something...thanks c On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Jesse C wrote: > Try signing out of yahoo messenger from within yahoo mail (new > interface). On my e-mail I have 2 locations for messenger: on the > left for contacts and on the top for status. Pull down the arrow for > status and mark yourself as offline. This will hide the contacts > list. Yahoo mail does have tabs also but for chat this only appears > when someone messages me. > For classic, you can again select offline to hide most of it or select > "hide" to again hide most of it. You can also try using the > stripped-down mobile interface. > You can also try the "Nuke Anything" plugin for Firefox to remove > nearly anything from a webpage. > Hope this helps. > > -Jesse C > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 06:28:30 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 06:28:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450912030643i30971b1ane5875b352f994b06@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> <4B1731F8.6060506@gmail.com> <4c0ec4450912030643i30971b1ane5875b352f994b06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912050428m4591fd64v4c1b976f3288c325@mail.gmail.com> this is good to know John..thanks c On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:43 AM, John Pappas wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 22:17, Robert Pearson wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Dubbs > wrote: > > > Actually I generally prefer to keep my email on my local machine, so I > > pop > > > it off gmail. The only time I use the web interface is when I am out > of > > > town and have my client (seamonkey) turned off. > > > > > > -- Bruce > > > -- > > > > How do you handle getting to email stored on your local machine when > > you are out of town? > > IMAP? > > > > IIRC the GMail POP does not delete from server (User configured; default is > Keep in Inbox), so the web interface still has access to all the mail > unless > user specifically deletes in POP settings on GMail. Any organizational > structures created would not be created on the server; that would require a > sync from the client, and pop does not do that, IMAP would. > > John > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 06:29:09 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 06:29:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] turning off yahoo messenger In-Reply-To: <20091203001712.134342tnm9isrunc@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <7e4994a70912020100u61c568d6kd68f68866e7e5157@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0912021122kafa7b35ma863142cef9ff305@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0912021500o7d315e49ld47be7ef03a005be@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021847n42f90fa7tf39c895a3b9e70a4@mail.gmail.com> <4B172B47.8050305@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912021916i290d8714l9d1248bfde7d89f7@mail.gmail.com> <20091203001712.134342tnm9isrunc@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912050429q14b0bb30oded70e8152f72981@mail.gmail.com> charlie, i think i will first call yahoo tech support to see if they can help me turn off messenger...but this is a good idea. i would create another gmail addy to handle the imported yahpoo mail if i did this since i have probably 3000 emails on yahoo. before losing my eyesight i was very involved in political stuff and animal rescue which is also on my yahoo acct...stuff i need to keep and rather than cloggin this gmail acct i could have it all go to another. that sounds good to me and i will likely do that anyway since yahoo has so much crap on their site and it's hard to even get to my inbox on it...all that java crap makes me nuts! thanks c On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Charles D. Hogan < cd_satl@futuretechsolutions.com> wrote: > You can have gmail import mail from other addresses, including yahoo > addresses. In gmail, you just select the settings link, then the "Accounts > and Import" tab to have gmail get your mail from other accounts. It doesn't > check the imported accounts real-time, but queries them every few minutes to > an hour or so. Easy enough to do, as well as setting what addresses it > shows that you are sending from. If e-mail to your yahoo address doesn't > need immediate access, (i.e. talking to the person on the phone while they > are sending it to you to discuss details, etc...), then you should be good > to go. > > Charlie > > > Quoting Cheryl Holmes : > > hey Bruce, I pretty much have moved to Gmail, but have my namking stuff >> and >> some other things on yahoo which used to be my isp sbcgblobal. the sbc >> global acct comes through yahoo. i have moved what i could at least. :o) >> c >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Bruce Dubbs >> wrote: >> >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know hoe to turn off Instant Messenger in Yahoo Mail? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Move to gmail? :) >>> >>> -- Bruce >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the >> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little >> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June >> 2008; >> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 06:39:21 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 06:39:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580912041013j7589f23fuc4d926bf410e1e23@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912020214l70280c7bp13744a658729e627@mail.gmail.com> <4B1691AF.2090505@grandecom.net> <7e4994a70912021017u614695f5ibc487a6478868f7e@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0912021913k44d20a1fr86944dc98fea9521@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912022041v251854f7t487b749f0c0d6c8f@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580912030902if33a2c5o562b9ec17413558b@mail.gmail.com> <4B1862C8.1030909@gmail.com> <9e4edf580912041013j7589f23fuc4d926bf410e1e23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912050439n3ffdcc9aq1af31a4a28aacc41@mail.gmail.com> WOW! i will have to chk this out! sounds awesome thanks c On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Charles Mims wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > Charles Mims wrote: > > > >> There is an internet site called Xmarks. You can store your Firefox > >> bookmarks there and then > >> sync a new browser to them. I have done it repeatedly after doing a > fresh > >> install of an OS (something > >> I much prefer over an upgrade,) Just go to xmarks.com. > >> > >> By the way it works with Linux, Mac, and Windows and with Firefox, IE, > >> Safari and even Chrome. > >> > > > > Unless you are changing the OS, that is not necessary with firefox. All > > settings are in ~/.mozilla/firefox. Ig you just save the .mozilla > directory > > and restore it in your new system, everything should be OK. > > > > -- Bruce > > True, but if your bookmarks are uploaded to Xmarks you can copy them not > only to Firefox but also IE, Safari and Chrome and any computer with an > internet connection. Anyway as usual with Linux there is more than one > way > to do something. Take your choice. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bkfuth at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 08:23:05 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Sat Dec 5 08:23:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] water drops Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0912050623q5332c863paf475fc3c347f274@mail.gmail.com> I thought you would enjoy this. If you have seen it before...oh well...it is worth seeing again. http://www.flixxy.com/water-drop Steve From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 5 09:24:16 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sat Dec 5 09:24:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] water drops In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0912050623q5332c863paf475fc3c347f274@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0912050623q5332c863paf475fc3c347f274@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: steve kolars wrote: >I thought you would enjoy this. If you have seen it before...oh >well...it is worth seeing again. http://www.flixxy.com/water-drop Yes indeed! And raise a glass of milk to Harold Edgerton and Eadweard Muybridge for the pioneering work. --Don -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From hc at lookcee.com Sat Dec 5 14:30:10 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sat Dec 5 14:30:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT repair tech at work Message-ID: <4B1AC2D2.8000101@lookcee.com> I looked at the Water Drops Vid and looked at a few others and this one made me laugh. http://www.flixxy.com/laser-printer-problem.htm From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 19:33:24 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Dec 5 19:33:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server In-Reply-To: <434447.35415.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <434447.35415.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869de8470912051733s28a199b5o2fc63ea993da5989@mail.gmail.com> Hey David: I agree with Don wholeheartedly for support of apcupsd. I had a BackUPS 2200 that had the same USB configuration and my server was wired to it and shut down on power failure after the batteries went low. Another feature is that you can also set your other Windows and Linux machines to talk to apcupsd on your server and also shut down accordingly. I had three computers connected to the same UPS, and when the power went out, the two windows boxes would shut down first, then the server would down itself. Nice, easy and not a pain to configure. You can check it out here: http://www.apcupsd.com/ If you need any help with it, I can try to help you out. FIRESTORM_v1 On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 9:53 PM, David Labens wrote: > Thanks, Don.? I'm reading up on it now, following your links & comparing notes.? I appreciate the response.? Thank you. > > David Labens > > San Antonio, TX > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Don Wright wrote: > > From: Don Wright > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:43 PM > > David Labens wrote: > >>I've got an APC "Back-UPS RS 800" battery backup <...> >>What other physical connections do I need (USB, Ethernet, Serial, Parallel)? > The UPS should have come with a monitor cable. A quick look at the APC > website shows it as an RJ-45 to USB cable. If you do not have it you can > order one from APC. > > Once you have the correct cable, if it is USB it should be automatically > detected when you connect it. Use 'lsusb' to verify. > >>What monitoring software does the best job of monitoring and shutting down the server? >>Can it be configured to send me an email just before shutting down the server? > Look at www.apcupsd.com or www.networkupstools.org. The package in > Debian (and thus Ubuntu) is reasonably up-to-date right now. > > Next time you should also check TLDP (www.tldp.org) to find "The UPS > HOWTO". > > -- > ? ? ? ? ? ? 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > ? ? ???January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > ? Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > ? ? ? ? http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 21:57:49 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 21:58:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] water drops In-Reply-To: References: <9b6ae23d0912050623q5332c863paf475fc3c347f274@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912051957q3fd65724x13f1063bc896b86d@mail.gmail.com> that's really cool! and if you tried to tell someone this, they'd think you were nuts! c On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Don Wright wrote: > steve kolars wrote: > >I thought you would enjoy this. If you have seen it before...oh > >well...it is worth seeing again. > > http://www.flixxy.com/water-drop > > Yes indeed! And raise a glass of milk to Harold Edgerton and Eadweard > Muybridge for the pioneering work. --Don > > -- > 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 22:04:41 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 5 22:05:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT repair tech at work In-Reply-To: <4B1AC2D2.8000101@lookcee.com> References: <4B1AC2D2.8000101@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912052004g761f8551o89aabb5a9a20e01c@mail.gmail.com> hahahahaha that's the way i fix stuff! lol c On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > I looked at the Water Drops Vid and looked at a few others and this one > made me laugh. > http://www.flixxy.com/laser-printer-problem.htm > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Dec 6 01:03:14 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Dec 6 01:03:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? Message-ID: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Who do I talk to about this? Do we have all the bases covered? Food? Drink? Movies? Technology? Tweeks From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 6 10:41:23 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Dec 6 10:41:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <0pknh59kf25s7clk41hfk4c3lufm9jf7tv@4ax.com> On Sun, Tweeks wrote: >Who do I talk to about this? >Do we have all the bases covered? >Food? >Drink? >Movies? >Technology? > >Tweeks It's a Free/Libre Open Source Party; there's nobody officially in charge but a few of us bring the basics and the rest is just what happens. So far I know about tamales, cheese, crackers, spinach dip, mini- meatballs, and candy. Glenn/Boz has been known to provide a gourmet cookie or two. There'll also be a small tree and a string of lights. Automated beverage dispensers are nearby that offer the thrill of an eight-liner with (slightly) better odds. I guess I can bring "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" if someone really wants to stare at a screen. If you notice something that would make this meetup more merry (within ACCD limits*) please bring it. Like I said, we're an Open bunch. --Don [*] It's too late to change the location of our Annual Business Meeting, but next year if the Rackspace Roller Disco and Indoor Zombie Hunt is available, we can discuss it. -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From morfic at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 11:19:26 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Sun Dec 6 11:19:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] water drops In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912051957q3fd65724x13f1063bc896b86d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0912050623q5332c863paf475fc3c347f274@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912051957q3fd65724x13f1063bc896b86d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10912060919m4216dc6fub1c8cd72cc549997@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSuyCPfHCY On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > that's really cool! and if you tried to tell someone this, they'd think > you > were nuts! c > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Don Wright wrote: > > > steve kolars wrote: > > >I thought you would enjoy this. If you have seen it before...oh > > >well...it is worth seeing again. > > > > http://www.flixxy.com/water-drop > > > > Yes indeed! And raise a glass of milk to Harold Edgerton and Eadweard > > Muybridge for the pioneering work. --Don > > > > -- > > 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > > January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/< > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/%7Eskolars/satlug/> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Dec 6 12:55:49 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Dec 6 12:55:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA Message-ID: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I have decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how having a kid makes you realize how having family near is important. I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a crunch to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 brd/2 bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like to be in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park Mall (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to be somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either direction outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that are available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate your feedback. Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced movers to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a disabled vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P Thanks in advanced! -- Daniel Givens From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 13:30:01 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Dec 6 13:30:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912061130m24af64bgeaabdbc9550e0aaa@mail.gmail.com> I miss Austin so much...it's such a great town not at all like SA.. I know the areas you're talking abt here..no matter where you move, though there is crime...thogh not so bad in Schertz/Cibolo yet. I have noticed where there are children, people these days let them run loose and they tend to get into a lot of trouble/stuff. Since the Northside Ind School District is so packed up and has so many new schools, I would tend to say someplace in that district might be what you;re looking for. Perhaps over by Westover Hills area. My sister lives there...it's really growing fast, much like Round Rick did in it's day but not as affluent. Shavavi Oark is nice, I think mostly retired folks.tho I met a lady there who was newly divorced with children... The area near Windsor mall has gone down a lot, kinda trashy types and gangs now but heck the area I lived in as a high schooler and my old HS was once nice too but is all gangs now..so hard to say. Castle Hills may not be bad, depending on your income Alamo Heights area is very nice and good schools. Good luck! c On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I have > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how having a > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. > > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a crunch > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 brd/2 > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like to be > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. > > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park Mall > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to be > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either direction > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that are > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate your > feedback. > > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced movers > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a disabled > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P > > Thanks in advanced! > > -- > Daniel Givens > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Dec 6 20:22:16 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Dec 6 20:22:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! Message-ID: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all! I finally configured a pair of BIND VMs and got AT&T to reverse delegate, the Roots to see me as legit, and gkg to accept this. Could anyone look over my configs and dig my domain and tell me how it looks? I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 Servers are arthur (SOA) .81, and guinevere at .82 Running ubuntu 8.04 lts and BIND 9.whatever-was-in-the-ubuntu-repo I am most concerned about the reverse dns setup. I have a /28. AT&T has supposedly reverse delegated that to me, but I am not sure what I am looking at. Could use the help! thanks in advance, kc From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 20:35:20 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Dec 6 20:58:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912061835x13ce2020wfce309522079a058@mail.gmail.com> It doesn't look like you have the kcinfosys.net zone setup in 67.65.223.81 and 67.65.223.82, or named is not running. I am getting a timeout when trying to resolve against those two servers. AT&T does have their end setup properly; $ dig -x 67.65.223.80 @ns1.swbell.net ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN NS arthur.kcinfosys.net. 80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN NS guinevere.kcinfosys.net. $ dig -x 67.65.223.81 @ns1.swbell.net ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;81.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 81.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN CNAME 81.80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN NS arthur.kcinfosys.net. 80.223.65.67.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN NS guinevere.kcinfosys.net. Once you get your nameservers working properly it should be good to go. -Henry On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:22 PM, KC wrote: > Hi all! > > I finally configured a pair of BIND VMs and got AT&T to reverse delegate, the Roots to see me as legit, and gkg to accept this. > > Could anyone look over my configs and dig my domain and tell me how it looks? > > I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 > Servers are arthur (SOA) .81, and guinevere at .82 > > Running ubuntu 8.04 lts and BIND 9.whatever-was-in-the-ubuntu-repo > > I am most concerned about the reverse dns setup. I have a /28. AT&T has supposedly reverse delegated that to me, but I am not sure what I am looking at. > > Could use the help! > > thanks in advance, > > kc > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 21:09:43 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Dec 6 21:15:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B1C71F7.3020106@gmail.com> KC wrote: > I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 Servers are arthur (SOA) .81, > and guinevere at .82 You may already know this, but you have 16 addresses: 67.65.223.80 - 67.65.223.95 You should not have any systems on 67.65.223.80 (the network address) or 67.65.223.95 (the broadcast address). Your use of .81 and .82 is consistent and correct. -- Bruce From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 20:44:04 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Dec 6 21:15:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <274637.48318.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B1C6BF4.6090400@gmail.com> KC wrote: > Hi all! > > I finally configured a pair of BIND VMs and got AT&T to reverse > delegate, the Roots to see me as legit, and gkg to accept this. > > Could anyone look over my configs and dig my domain and tell me how > it looks? > > I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 Servers are arthur (SOA) .81, > and guinevere at .82 > > Running ubuntu 8.04 lts and BIND 9.whatever-was-in-the-ubuntu-repo > > I am most concerned about the reverse dns setup. I have a /28. AT&T > has supposedly reverse delegated that to me, but I am not sure what I > am looking at. We may need to wait for TTLs to expire, but I think something is not right or that a firewall is not allowing udp packets through. I'd wait 24 hours before complaining. -- Bruce $ dig kcinfosys.net ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> kcinfosys.net ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached $ ping 67.65.223.81 PING 67.65.223.81 (67.65.223.81): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 67.65.223.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=41.267 ms 64 bytes from 67.65.223.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=38.928 ms --- 67.65.223.81 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 38.928/40.098/41.267/1.169 ms $ ping 67.65.223.82 PING 67.65.223.82 (67.65.223.82): 56 data bytes --- 67.65.223.82 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss $ dig -x 67.65.223.80 ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x 67.65.223.80 ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached $ dig -x 67.65.223.81 ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected 24.93.41.128#53 ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected 24.93.41.128#53 ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected 24.93.41.128#53 ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x 67.65.223.81 ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Looks like a roadrunner error: $ dig -x 24.93.41.127 ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x 24.93.41.127 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34900 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;127.41.93.24.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 127.41.93.24.in-addr.arpa. 778 IN PTR dns-redirect-lb-01.texas.rr.com. ;; Query time: 22 msec ;; SERVER: 24.93.41.128#53(24.93.41.128) ;; WHEN: Sun Dec 6 20:39:43 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 88 $ whois kcinfosys.net Whois Server Version 2.0 ... Domain Name: KCINFOSYS.NET Registrar: GKG.NET, INC. Whois Server: whois.gkg.net Referral URL: http://www.gkg.net Name Server: ARTHUR.KCINFOSYS.NET Name Server: GUINEVERE.KCINFOSYS.NET Status: clientTransferProhibited Updated Date: 06-dec-2009 Creation Date: 06-mar-2006 Expiration Date: 06-mar-2010 >>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:36:46 UTC <<< From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 21:17:01 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sun Dec 6 21:25:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: Give a call to my friend Danny Charbel. Tell him Ernest de Leon from St. Mary's/SecureTek sent you. His website is dannycharbel.com and his phone numbers are Phone:* (210) 696-9996* Mobile: *(210) 887-7080*. I'll drop him a line so that he is expecting you. Ernest On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I have > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how having a > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. > > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a crunch > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 brd/2 > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like to be > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. > > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park Mall > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to be > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either direction > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that are > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate your > feedback. > > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced movers > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a disabled > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P > > Thanks in advanced! > > -- > Daniel Givens > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From nathan at gvtc.com Sun Dec 6 22:21:34 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sun Dec 6 22:21:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20091206202134.47DCDC57@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Reminder that the next Computer Show is Dec 12 at the Live Oak Civic Center. We want to show off software for kids, games and educational. Nathan From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Mon Dec 7 00:07:06 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Mon Dec 7 00:07:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <4B1C71F7.3020106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <162420.57738.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thank-you, Bruce! Thank-you, Henry! I believe I was unreachable due to a VMWare issue I was working on... like a dope... right after I asked for help on SATLUG! Should be clear now. Guys, thanks so much for the digs. I didnt know to "dig -x" and/or to do it "@swbell.net". I am relieved to know that at&t side looks good. I was digging myself. Meh. Still learnin'! :) Check me out, again tomorrow, fellas? Thanks a ton! kc --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > From: Bruce Dubbs > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:09 PM > KC wrote: > > > I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 Servers are > arthur (SOA) .81, > > and guinevere at .82 > > You may already know this, but you have 16 addresses: > > 67.65.223.80 - 67.65.223.95 > > You should not have any systems on 67.65.223.80 (the > network address) or 67.65.223.95 (the broadcast address). > > Your use of .81 and .82 is consistent and correct. > > ? -- Bruce > > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Mon Dec 7 00:13:05 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Mon Dec 7 00:13:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <4B1C6BF4.6090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <807350.19551.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey, Bruce, are YOU on RoadRunner? Prolly was your DNS talking there, cause I think I was probably moving my doggone servers right when you looked for me. Last minute touch up. My esx1 took a dump on me. Bad memory module. Sorry to ask for help then move the silly server again! But, they are both snug on ole faithful, now. kc --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > From: Bruce Dubbs > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 8:44 PM > KC wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I finally configured a pair of BIND VMs and got > AT&T to reverse > > delegate, the Roots to see me as legit, and gkg to > accept this. > > > > Could anyone look over my configs and dig my domain > and tell me how > > it looks? > > > > I am kcinfosys.net at 67.65.223.80/28 Servers are > arthur (SOA) .81, > > and guinevere at .82 > > > > Running ubuntu 8.04 lts and BIND > 9.whatever-was-in-the-ubuntu-repo > > > > I am most concerned about the reverse dns setup. I > have a /28. AT&T > > has supposedly reverse delegated that to me, but I am > not sure what I > > am looking at. > > We may need to wait for TTLs to expire, but I think > something is not right or that a firewall is not allowing > udp packets through.? I'd wait 24 hours before > complaining. > > ? -- Bruce > > $ dig kcinfosys.net > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> > kcinfosys.net > ;; global options:? printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > $ ping 67.65.223.81 > PING 67.65.223.81 (67.65.223.81): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 67.65.223.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=41.267 > ms > 64 bytes from 67.65.223.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=38.928 > ms > --- 67.65.223.81 ping statistics --- > 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 38.928/40.098/41.267/1.169 > ms > > $ ping 67.65.223.82 > PING 67.65.223.82 (67.65.223.82): 56 data bytes > --- 67.65.223.82 ping statistics --- > 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet > loss > > $ dig -x 67.65.223.80 > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x > 67.65.223.80 > ;; global options:? printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > $ dig -x 67.65.223.81 > ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected > 24.93.41.128#53 > ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 > ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected > 24.93.41.128#53 > ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 > ;; reply from unexpected source: 24.93.41.127#53, expected > 24.93.41.128#53 > ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 51484, got 6302 > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x > 67.65.223.81 > ;; global options:? printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > Looks like a roadrunner error: > > $ dig -x 24.93.41.127 > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> -x > 24.93.41.127 > ;; global options:? printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, > id: 34900 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, > ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;127.41.93.24.in-addr.arpa.? > ???IN? ? ? PTR > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > 127.41.93.24.in-addr.arpa. 778? IN? ? ? > PTR dns-redirect-lb-01.texas.rr.com. > > ;; Query time: 22 msec > ;; SERVER: 24.93.41.128#53(24.93.41.128) > ;; WHEN: Sun Dec? 6 20:39:43 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE? rcvd: 88 > > $ whois kcinfosys.net > > Whois Server Version 2.0 > ... > > ???Domain Name: KCINFOSYS.NET > ???Registrar: GKG.NET, INC. > ???Whois Server: whois.gkg.net > ???Referral URL: http://www.gkg.net > ???Name Server: ARTHUR.KCINFOSYS.NET > ???Name Server: GUINEVERE.KCINFOSYS.NET > ???Status: clientTransferProhibited > ???Updated Date: 06-dec-2009 > ???Creation Date: 06-mar-2006 > ???Expiration Date: 06-mar-2010 > > >>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 07 Dec > 2009 02:36:46 UTC <<< > > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Mon Dec 7 00:23:42 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Mon Dec 7 00:23:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scalix, Open-Xchange or "other" ? Message-ID: <334184.84373.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well folks, The last time I had my servers runnin', I had got Scalix 11 runnin' nice. I really liked it. My lady and I have WinMo phones and I liked utilizing its features, with out using M$ Exchange. I was fixin' to re-setup a Scalix server to resurrect the phone-functionality, this evening, when I came across Open-Xchange. Anyone used any of these solutions? It is mainly for home use, so it has to be free as in beer. Also, I really wanna cluster these 4 identical Intel P3-1000s I have laying around. And since all Exchange-clone-ware uses moxie, I was hoping to cut-teeth on that. So, Scalix would be out, if I DO go cluster. Depends on O-X, or any other solution that I am missing. Is Open-X free (as in beer) to cluster? Any other good alternatives? Need to get that whole Exchange group calendar experience, with a webmail interface to hook the WinMos to. Anyone have any experience with any of this? Thanks, twice in one night, in advance! kc From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 01:38:38 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Dec 7 01:38:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DNS/BIND experts? Need someone to look over my new setup! In-Reply-To: <807350.19551.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <807350.19551.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B1CB0FE.7060703@gmail.com> KC wrote: > Hey, Bruce, are YOU on RoadRunner? Kinda. I have Time-Warner and I use their router and DNS server (and TV). Absolutely nothing else. dig kcinfosys.net ping 67.65.223.81 ping 67.65.223.82 all work. dig -x 67.65.223.81 fails for me, but dig -x 67.65.223.81 @ns1.swbell.net works. My server is 24.93.41.128 and it will probably be OK in 24 hours. -- Bruce From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 04:35:06 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Dec 7 04:35:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> ernest, is he a mover? Daniel..for schools I would recommend these districts...Northside ISD, Northeast ISD, Schertz/Cibolo/Univeral City ISD, Alamo Heights ISD Will you be renting a home, apt or buying? I have 4 sisters scattered all over these areas as well as friends. I live in Cibolo and it's high dollar...yiu could probably get a home for 200K plus a monthly homeowner association fee..all the homes built here I'd say in the last 5 years have these additional fees. The homes behind me are very nice and start abt 250-299K, Less pricey homes in older more established neighborhoods off FM 3009. More pricey homes in the gayed communities in Garden Ridge. These areas are nice and only a short drive to Windsor. There are some homes off FM 1103 newer ones that are just under 200K.again a short drive to Windsor. Taxes are higher in SA/Bexar county than here in the Cibolo and some areas of Schertz. Advise having a burglar alarm system and the most energy efficient home you can afford. Electric is high here, higher than I recall in Austin. CPS in the SA area gouges people badly! As does GVEV. 1 sister has a Medallion home and they are known to be extremely energy efficient..she has very low electric bills over in Westover Hills off Culebra/Guilbra Rd area. But that is a very long intesive drive to Winfdor. Medallion has some homes off FM 1103 in Cibolo tooo. c On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Give a call to my friend Danny Charbel. Tell him Ernest de Leon from St. > Mary's/SecureTek sent you. His website is dannycharbel.com and his phone > numbers are Phone:* (210) 696-9996* Mobile: *(210) 887-7080*. I'll drop > him > a line so that he is expecting you. > > Ernest > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens >wrote: > > > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I > have > > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how having > a > > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. > > > > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a > crunch > > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on > > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 > brd/2 > > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like to > be > > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. > > > > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park > Mall > > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to > be > > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either > direction > > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that are > > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate your > > feedback. > > > > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced > movers > > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a > disabled > > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P > > > > Thanks in advanced! > > > > -- > > Daniel Givens > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 05:22:04 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Dec 7 05:22:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912070322s2847b356q60666dd7ca7c58c4@mail.gmail.com> sorry I misspoke..the sister who lives in Westover Hills is off Bandera/Guilbrau,,c On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > ernest, is he a mover? > > Daniel..for schools I would recommend these districts...Northside ISD, > Northeast ISD, Schertz/Cibolo/Univeral City ISD, Alamo Heights ISD > > Will you be renting a home, apt or buying? > > I have 4 sisters scattered all over these areas as well as friends. > > I live in Cibolo and it's high dollar...yiu could probably get a home for > 200K plus a monthly homeowner association fee..all the homes built here I'd > say in the last 5 years have these additional fees. The homes behind me are > very nice and start abt 250-299K, Less pricey homes in older more > established neighborhoods off FM 3009. > > More pricey homes in the gayed communities in Garden Ridge. These areas > are nice and only a short drive to Windsor. > > There are some homes off FM 1103 newer ones that are just under 200K.again > a short drive to Windsor. > > Taxes are higher in SA/Bexar county than here in the Cibolo and some areas > of Schertz. > > Advise having a burglar alarm system and the most energy efficient home you > can afford. Electric is high here, higher than I recall in Austin. CPS in > the SA area gouges people badly! As does GVEV. > > 1 sister has a Medallion home and they are known to be extremely energy > efficient..she has very low electric bills over in Westover Hills off > Culebra/Guilbra Rd area. But that is a very long intesive drive to Winfdor. > Medallion has some homes off FM 1103 in Cibolo tooo. > > c > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> Give a call to my friend Danny Charbel. Tell him Ernest de Leon from St. >> Mary's/SecureTek sent you. His website is dannycharbel.com and his phone >> numbers are Phone:* (210) 696-9996* Mobile: *(210) 887-7080*. I'll drop >> him >> a line so that he is expecting you. >> >> Ernest >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens > >wrote: >> >> > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I >> have >> > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how >> having a >> > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. >> > >> > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a >> crunch >> > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions >> on >> > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 >> brd/2 >> > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like to >> be >> > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. >> > >> > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park >> Mall >> > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to >> be >> > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either >> direction >> > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that >> are >> > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate >> your >> > feedback. >> > >> > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced >> movers >> > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a >> disabled >> > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P >> > >> > Thanks in advanced! >> > >> > -- >> > Daniel Givens >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 05:25:14 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Dec 7 05:25:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912070322s2847b356q60666dd7ca7c58c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912070322s2847b356q60666dd7ca7c58c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912070325i96e55a5i4aecf1f892d0925e@mail.gmail.com> ahhh heck I think it's Culebra...I can't remember since I can't drive anymore..c On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > sorry I misspoke..the sister who lives in Westover Hills is off > Bandera/Guilbrau,,c > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> ernest, is he a mover? >> >> Daniel..for schools I would recommend these districts...Northside ISD, >> Northeast ISD, Schertz/Cibolo/Univeral City ISD, Alamo Heights ISD >> >> Will you be renting a home, apt or buying? >> >> I have 4 sisters scattered all over these areas as well as friends. >> >> I live in Cibolo and it's high dollar...yiu could probably get a home for >> 200K plus a monthly homeowner association fee..all the homes built here I'd >> say in the last 5 years have these additional fees. The homes behind me are >> very nice and start abt 250-299K, Less pricey homes in older more >> established neighborhoods off FM 3009. >> >> More pricey homes in the gayed communities in Garden Ridge. These areas >> are nice and only a short drive to Windsor. >> >> There are some homes off FM 1103 newer ones that are just under 200K.again >> a short drive to Windsor. >> >> Taxes are higher in SA/Bexar county than here in the Cibolo and some areas >> of Schertz. >> >> Advise having a burglar alarm system and the most energy efficient home >> you can afford. Electric is high here, higher than I recall in Austin. CPS >> in the SA area gouges people badly! As does GVEV. >> >> 1 sister has a Medallion home and they are known to be extremely energy >> efficient..she has very low electric bills over in Westover Hills off >> Culebra/Guilbra Rd area. But that is a very long intesive drive to Winfdor. >> Medallion has some homes off FM 1103 in Cibolo tooo. >> >> c >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> >>> Give a call to my friend Danny Charbel. Tell him Ernest de Leon from St. >>> Mary's/SecureTek sent you. His website is dannycharbel.com and his phone >>> numbers are Phone:* (210) 696-9996* Mobile: *(210) 887-7080*. I'll drop >>> him >>> a line so that he is expecting you. >>> >>> Ernest >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens >> >wrote: >>> >>> > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I >>> have >>> > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how >>> having a >>> > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. >>> > >>> > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a >>> crunch >>> > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions >>> on >>> > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 >>> brd/2 >>> > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like >>> to be >>> > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. >>> > >>> > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park >>> Mall >>> > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to >>> be >>> > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either >>> direction >>> > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that >>> are >>> > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate >>> your >>> > feedback. >>> > >>> > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced >>> movers >>> > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a >>> disabled >>> > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P >>> > >>> > Thanks in advanced! >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Daniel Givens >>> > -- >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SATLUG mailing list >>> > SATLUG@satlug.org >>> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> > >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the >> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little >> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; >> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). >> >> > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 08:24:16 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Dec 7 08:24:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> <7e4994a70912070235k22786abay3361b966378e1820@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No, he is a Realtor. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > ernest, is he a mover? > > Daniel..for schools I would recommend these districts...Northside ISD, > Northeast ISD, Schertz/Cibolo/Univeral City ISD, Alamo Heights ISD > > Will you be renting a home, apt or buying? > > I have 4 sisters scattered all over these areas as well as friends. > > I live in Cibolo and it's high dollar...yiu could probably get a home for > 200K plus a monthly homeowner association fee..all the homes built here I'd > say in the last 5 years have these additional fees. The homes behind me > are > very nice and start abt 250-299K, Less pricey homes in older more > established neighborhoods off FM 3009. > > More pricey homes in the gayed communities in Garden Ridge. These areas > are > nice and only a short drive to Windsor. > > There are some homes off FM 1103 newer ones that are just under 200K.again > a > short drive to Windsor. > > Taxes are higher in SA/Bexar county than here in the Cibolo and some areas > of Schertz. > > Advise having a burglar alarm system and the most energy efficient home you > can afford. Electric is high here, higher than I recall in Austin. CPS in > the SA area gouges people badly! As does GVEV. > > 1 sister has a Medallion home and they are known to be extremely energy > efficient..she has very low electric bills over in Westover Hills off > Culebra/Guilbra Rd area. But that is a very long intesive drive to Winfdor. > Medallion has some homes off FM 1103 in Cibolo tooo. > > c > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ernest De Leon > wrote: > > > Give a call to my friend Danny Charbel. Tell him Ernest de Leon from St. > > Mary's/SecureTek sent you. His website is dannycharbel.com and his phone > > numbers are Phone:* (210) 696-9996* Mobile: *(210) 887-7080*. I'll drop > > him > > a line so that he is expecting you. > > > > Ernest > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens > >wrote: > > > > > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I > > have > > > decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing how > having > > a > > > kid makes you realize how having family near is important. > > > > > > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a > > crunch > > > to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions > on > > > realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to rent a house (3 > > brd/2 > > > bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. We would really like > to > > be > > > in a neighborhood of younger families with young children. > > > > > > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park > > Mall > > > (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would like to > > be > > > somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in either > > direction > > > outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of any places that > are > > > available to rent or areas we should look, I would really appreciate > your > > > feedback. > > > > > > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced > > movers > > > to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is a > > disabled > > > vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P > > > > > > Thanks in advanced! > > > > > > -- > > > Daniel Givens > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 10:44:58 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Dec 7 10:45:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: <0pknh59kf25s7clk41hfk4c3lufm9jf7tv@4ax.com> References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <0pknh59kf25s7clk41hfk4c3lufm9jf7tv@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Don Wright wrote: > On Sun, Tweeks wrote: > >>Who do I talk to about this? >>Do we have all the bases covered? >>Food? >>Drink? >>Movies? >>Technology? >> >>Tweeks > > > It's a Free/Libre Open Source Party; there's nobody officially in charge > but a few of us bring the basics and the rest is just what happens. > > So far I know about tamales, cheese, crackers, spinach dip, mini- > meatballs, and candy. Glenn/Boz has been known to provide a gourmet > cookie or two. There'll also be a small tree and a string of lights. > Automated beverage dispensers are nearby that offer the thrill of an > eight-liner with (slightly) better odds. I guess I can bring "Santa > Claus Conquers the Martians" if someone really wants to stare at a > screen. > > If you notice something that would make this meetup more merry (within > ACCD limits*) please bring it. Like I said, we're an Open bunch. ?--Don > > > [*] It's too late to change the location of our Annual Business Meeting, > but next year if the Rackspace Roller Disco and Indoor Zombie Hunt is > available, we can discuss it. > > -- > ? ? ? ? ? ?2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > ? ? ? January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > ?Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > ? ? ? ?http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- Don, I have abandoned tamales, and now plan to bring hot chicken wings, ranch dip, and napkins. I think that someone else is bringing tamales. Anyone bringing paper plates? See you there, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 7 11:39:35 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Dec 7 11:39:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <0pknh59kf25s7clk41hfk4c3lufm9jf7tv@4ax.com> Message-ID: <17eqh5tvstpebmhf430ujn6t8ai4nti8mp@4ax.com> Howard Haradon wrote: >Don, I have abandoned tamales, and now >plan to bring hot chicken wings, ranch dip, >and napkins. I think that someone else is >bringing tamales. Anyone bringing paper >plates? That sounds great, Howard. Regular paper plates were picked up yesterday; do we need stronger ones for the wing lovers? Yes, another member has promised tamales. See you there! --Don From tweeks at rackspace.com Mon Dec 7 14:07:10 2009 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (Tweeks) Date: Mon Dec 7 14:03:18 2009 Subject: [XCSSA] [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: <17eqh5tvstpebmhf430ujn6t8ai4nti8mp@4ax.com> References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <17eqh5tvstpebmhf430ujn6t8ai4nti8mp@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200912071407.10668.tweeks@rackspace.com> On Monday 07 December 2009, X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > > > > >Don, I have abandoned tamales, and now > >plan to bring hot chicken wings, ranch dip, > >and napkins. I think that someone else is > >bringing tamales. Anyone bringing paper > >plates? > > That sounds great, Howard. Regular paper plates were picked up > yesterday; do we need stronger ones for the wing lovers? Yes, another > member has promised tamales. +BLUE CHEESE please.. or I can bring some. :) Tweeks From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 7 14:22:30 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Dec 7 14:22:33 2009 Subject: [XCSSA] [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: <200912071407.10668.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <17eqh5tvstpebmhf430ujn6t8ai4nti8mp@4ax.com> <200912071407.10668.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <0joqh55eb0k2bg8fo15o7ssuochiiidg3b@4ax.com> Tweeks wrote: >+BLUE CHEESE please.. or I can bring some. :) Sure, Tom. The best way to add a feature to an Open project is to contribute it yourself. ;^) Mmmm, _brevibacterium_linens_. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_cheese -- Sponsored by Berserker Express. At BE, we bring things to Goodlife. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Dec 7 21:03:12 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Dec 7 21:03:21 2009 Subject: [XCSSA] [SATLUG] Who do I talk to about organizing for the party? In-Reply-To: <0joqh55eb0k2bg8fo15o7ssuochiiidg3b@4ax.com> References: <200912060103.14307.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200912071407.10668.tweeks@rackspace.com> <0joqh55eb0k2bg8fo15o7ssuochiiidg3b@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200912072103.12974.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 07 December 2009 02:22:30 pm X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > >+BLUE CHEESE please.. or I can bring some. :) > > Sure, Tom. The best way to add a feature to an Open project is to > contribute it yourself. ;^) > > Mmmm, _brevibacterium_linens_. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_cheese While a SERIOUSLY love all forms of exotic cheese (including blue), alas.. I AM only talking about blue cheese dressing here for the wings. :) But maybe I'll also bring a super-sharp cheddar and nice granny smith apple slices. :) For those who have not yet discovered the wonder of strong cheeses couple with fresh fruit.. prepare to be blown away. :) Tweeks p.s. yes.. my first computer was a moldy piece of cheese. ;) p.p.s. can anyone direct me to the original ^^^^^^^ usenet thread on this subject? From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Tue Dec 8 18:40:55 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Tue Dec 8 18:41:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CIFS, ""text file busy", and copying anyway! Message-ID: <4B1EF217.508@momentumweb.com> Howdy, all: I've got a Windows share I've mounted via CIFS on my Linux box here. In that shared directory is a file that is open and in-use by a process on the Windows machine. I would like to copy that file, even though it is in use, from the share to the local Linux drive. Problem is, when I try to copy it I get a "text file busy" error and it won't copy. I've tried smbget, I've tried rsync, I've tried mounting the share with -o nooplock, -o noperm, -o directio, and none of these have allowed me to reach my goal of copying the file. I figure there's gotta be a way to "force" it to just "copy anyway", right? Does anyone know of a way? At worst, I could schedule a task using robocopy or hobocopy on the Windows machine to make a copy of the file every hour or so, and just copy that across the share, but that doesn't seem very elegant (plus I'm not positive it will work, haven't tried yet but have read that (r/h)obocopy could possibly do it). Anyway, does anyone know of a way to force CIFS to allow that copy? Thanks!! David From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Dec 8 20:42:55 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Dec 8 20:43:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CIFS, ""text file busy", and copying anyway! In-Reply-To: <4B1EF217.508@momentumweb.com> References: <4B1EF217.508@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <6D343CB9-DBC9-4393-8DCA-C5A9C5C0684F@rugmonster.org> Honestly, I doubt it without doing something on the Windows side. Shadow copy on Windows was created to create snapshots to allow open files to be copied/archived. There is no solution via CIFS purely to initiate that (that I know of). -- Daniel J. Givens On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > Howdy, all: > > I've got a Windows share I've mounted via CIFS on my Linux box > here. In that shared directory is a file that is open and in-use by > a process on the Windows machine. I would like to copy that file, > even though it is in use, from the share to the local Linux drive. > Problem is, when I try to copy it I get a "text file busy" error and > it won't copy. I've tried smbget, I've tried rsync, I've tried > mounting the share with -o nooplock, -o noperm, -o directio, and > none of these have allowed me to reach my goal of copying the file. > > I figure there's gotta be a way to "force" it to just "copy anyway", > right? Does anyone know of a way? At worst, I could schedule a task > using robocopy or hobocopy on the Windows machine to make a copy of > the file every hour or so, and just copy that across the share, but > that doesn't seem very elegant (plus I'm not positive it will work, > haven't tried yet but have read that (r/h)obocopy could possibly do > it). Anyway, does anyone know of a way to force CIFS to allow that > copy? Thanks!! > > David > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gjcarrasco at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 21:06:43 2009 From: gjcarrasco at gmail.com (Gordon Carrasco) Date: Tue Dec 8 21:06:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bulk (Mass) Mail out Question Message-ID: <6213dd500912081906v6f2fb0f7mc8f7340d0f51def0@mail.gmail.com> Not sure which is the correct terminology bulk or mass, either way I am sure you know what I mean. I basically have a list of 800 people that I want to send a mail to. It will be just once or twice and that its. So what is the best way to achieve this while on a postfix mail server? A script or program that can read the list from a text file would be the easiest way. I have been looking around for a week or so but didn't find what I was looking for. Hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. Its not spam, dont worry. I got a forum back going that has been offline for a couple of years. I am just going to send out an email letting all those that had registered for it back then know if back. Thanks Gordon From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 22:36:17 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Dec 8 22:36:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CIFS, ""text file busy", and copying anyway! In-Reply-To: <4B1EF217.508@momentumweb.com> References: <4B1EF217.508@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912082036t522d0a93sf9a1c0a6fbdb2cfa@mail.gmail.com> There is a way to disable oplocks on windows but it is fairly dangerous for read/write shares. -Henry On 12/8/09, David Salisbury wrote: > Howdy, all: > > I've got a Windows share I've mounted via CIFS on my Linux box here. In > that shared directory is a file that is open and in-use by a process on > the Windows machine. I would like to copy that file, even though it is > in use, from the share to the local Linux drive. Problem is, when I try > to copy it I get a "text file busy" error and it won't copy. I've tried > smbget, I've tried rsync, I've tried mounting the share with -o > nooplock, -o noperm, -o directio, and none of these have allowed me to > reach my goal of copying the file. > > I figure there's gotta be a way to "force" it to just "copy anyway", > right? Does anyone know of a way? At worst, I could schedule a task > using robocopy or hobocopy on the Windows machine to make a copy of the > file every hour or so, and just copy that across the share, but that > doesn't seem very elegant (plus I'm not positive it will work, haven't > tried yet but have read that (r/h)obocopy could possibly do it). > Anyway, does anyone know of a way to force CIFS to allow that copy? > Thanks!! > > David > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Dec 8 22:44:27 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Dec 8 22:44:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bulk (Mass) Mail out Question In-Reply-To: <6213dd500912081906v6f2fb0f7mc8f7340d0f51def0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6213dd500912081906v6f2fb0f7mc8f7340d0f51def0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1F2B2B.3040507@rugmonster.org> On 12/8/2009 9:06 PM, Gordon Carrasco wrote: > Not sure which is the correct terminology bulk or mass, either way I am sure > you know what I mean. > > I basically have a list of 800 people that I want to send a mail to. It > will be just once or twice and that its. So what is the best way to achieve > this while on a postfix mail server? A script or program that can read the > list from a text file would be the easiest way. > > I have been looking around for a week or so but didn't find what I was > looking for. Hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. > > Its not spam, dont worry. I got a forum back going that has been offline > for a couple of years. I am just going to send out an email letting all > those that had registered for it back then know if back. To start, you'll want to ensure your server passes the "three-way check" as I call it. 1. Server HELO banner must resolve as a A record 2. The A record must resolve to the primary IP address of the server (the IP that the connection will be coming from) 3. A PTR record for the primary IP above must resolve back to the HELO banner name That will give you the best chances of getting your message accepted and delivered by remote servers. I assume you've looked at the mailing list applications such as Mailman, Sympa, etc. Those would be the /best/ solution, but can be cumbersome to get setup if you've never done it before. Mailman, for one, will allow you to populate a list in bulk if you have all of the addresses one-per-line. You can also configure the list to be "distribution" in nature. This is covered in the article titled "How do I create a newsletter, announcement, or one-way list?" http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685 For a quick and dirty solution, you could script it out. Here's an example: [ The main sender piece ] *ASSUMPTION* You will want to have a "bounces@example.tld" type address to catch the undeliverable or rejected messages. A good way to get your server blocked by one of the big mail providers is to send to a lot of bad addresses. Save the following as "mailer.sh" and set it exectuable: #!/bin/bash while read ADDR do sed "s/DESTINATION/${ADDR}/" $1 | \ /usr/sbin/sendmail -f "bounces@example.tld" ${ADDR} done < $2 Next, create a file called "addresses" that has all of your recipient addresses listed one per line. Example: joe@foo.com jill@bar.org ... Finally, create a file called "message" for the message you intend to send. Using the following example, you will need to update the headers as appropriate. Don't change "DESTINATION", though, since sed is replacing that with the actual destination address. From: Gordon Carrasco Reply-To: bounces@example.tld To: DESTINATION Subject: We're alive! Message body, blah, blah, blah Once you have those three pieces, you can run it like... ./mailer.sh message addresses And be sure to remove any addresses you receive bounces for from your list. HTH -- Daniel J. Givens From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Dec 8 22:53:16 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Dec 8 22:53:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bulk (Mass) Mail out Question In-Reply-To: <4B1F2B2B.3040507@rugmonster.org> References: <6213dd500912081906v6f2fb0f7mc8f7340d0f51def0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F2B2B.3040507@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <8861512D-BFD9-4C9F-A07E-7783CB664EFC@rugmonster.org> On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:44 PM, "Daniel J. Givens" wrote: > Once you have those three pieces, you can run it like... > > ./mailer.sh message addresses > > And be sure to remove any addresses you receive bounces for from > your list. And for the love of all things holy, test that very well before actually sending anything out to the full list. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 04:19:04 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 04:19:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome Message-ID: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> this was asked on another group but wondering what are your thoughts about using google chrome? thanks c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Dec 9 06:48:24 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Dec 9 06:48:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > this was asked on another group but wondering what are your thoughts > about > using google chrome? It's way faster than Firefox, especially on my netbook. It has some stability issues, or on Linux than Windows, but it is getting better. I like to use it when I'm doing some quick, light browsing, but go back to firefox for work and such. I rely heavily on the set of extensions I use in FF, particularly Vimperator. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 06:53:03 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 06:53:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control Message-ID: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> is there someplace to adjusat speaker volume (output) in Hardy and if so how please. I have my speakers up all the way and still the sound is too low. thanks c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 07:01:40 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 07:02:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> thanks daniel..think i will wait for a new improved version then! c On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Cheryl Holmes > wrote: > > this was asked on another group but wondering what are your thoughts about >> using google chrome? >> > > It's way faster than Firefox, especially on my netbook. It has some > stability issues, or on Linux than Windows, but it is getting better. I like > to use it when I'm doing some quick, light browsing, but go back to firefox > for work and such. I rely heavily on the set of extensions I use in FF, > particularly Vimperator. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Dec 9 08:37:18 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Dec 9 08:37:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:01:40 -0600 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thanks daniel..think i will wait for a new improved version then! c On Windows, it's actually quite good. While the Chromium project has been going strong and had a mostly-usable product out for a while, Google has taken their work and officially released a Linux and Mac version as beta. There's no reason you can't try it out. Nothing saying you have to ditch Firefox the instant you install Chrome. From daniel at rugmonster.org Wed Dec 9 08:38:55 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Wed Dec 9 08:38:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:53:03 -0600 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > is there someplace to adjusat speaker volume (output) in Hardy and if > so how please. I have my speakers up all the way and still the sound > is too low. There should be a speaker icon in your panel where your notification icons reside. This is usually next to the clock on the top panel. From michael at michaelrice.org Wed Dec 9 12:01:07 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael rice) Date: Wed Dec 9 12:01:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Moving to SA In-Reply-To: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> References: <4B1BFE35.4060808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4B1FE5E3.8020908@michaelrice.org> We hired 1/2 price movers to unload our U-Haul when we moved to our new house a couple months ago. Daniel J. Givens wrote: > After living in Austin for the past (almost) two years, my wife and I > have decided to move to SA to be closer to our family. It's amazing > how having a kid makes you realize how having family near is important. > > I'm going to be starting my new job on 4 Jan, so we're in a bit of a > crunch to find a place to live. I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions on realtors that do rental properties. We're wanting to > rent a house (3 brd/2 bath), in the north part of town, south of 1604. > We would really like to be in a neighborhood of younger families with > young children. > > The in-laws are near Shavano Park and I'll be working at Windsor Park > Mall (or The Castle as we like to call it at Rackspace), so we would > like to be somewhere in between. Ideally, no more than 20 minutes in > either direction outside of normal heavy traffic times. If you know of > any places that are available to rent or areas we should look, I would > really appreciate your feedback. > > Also, anyone have recommendations for reliable and reasonably priced > movers to help us just load boxes/furniture on/off a truck? My wife is > a disabled vet that has lifting restrictions... nevermind the kid. :P > > Thanks in advanced! > > -- > Daniel Givens From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 9 12:36:33 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Dec 9 12:36:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> Message-ID: <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:53:03 -0600 > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > >> is there someplace to adjusat speaker volume (output) in Hardy and if >> so how please. I have my speakers up all the way and still the sound >> is too low. >> > > There should be a speaker icon in your panel where your notification > icons reside. This is usually next to the clock on the top panel. > Cheryl the Icon Daniel is referring to is part of the collection under 'Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files ' Title is< gnome-applets > in Synaptic and it placed itself in the top panel in far right corner and is a speaker icon. hh From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 9 12:59:03 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Dec 9 12:59:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:36:33 -0600, Herb Cee wrote: >Cheryl the Icon Daniel is referring to is part of the collection under >'Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files ' Title is< >gnome-applets > in Synaptic and it placed itself in the top panel in far >right corner and is a speaker icon. >hh There may also be a Volume Control selection under Multimedia in the menu. You'll generally want Wave and Master set as high as good quality allows. Setting any of the sliders or knobs too high will cause distortion. There can also be a "boost" checkbox - try it both ways. On many sound cards there are two outputs: One for headphones/speakers and one for line output for audio equipment. One or the other may be louder for you. There may also be both front and rear jacks. If so, try the other one. Your sound card may also have "advanced" features like surround sound for multiple speakers. You'll probably want to select one of the stereo plans. (There can be several, depending on where and what you plug in.) And then there's the traditional favorite: bad cables or dirty connections. The cheap plugs and jacks used on consumer audio are notorious for poor connections and frequent failures. Good hunting! --Don -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From tweeks at rackspace.com Wed Dec 9 13:55:01 2009 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (Tweeks) Date: Wed Dec 9 13:56:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG/XCSSA Mixer TONIGHT @SAC-NTC, 7pm Message-ID: <200912091355.02496.tweeks@rackspace.com> Hey all.. There seemed to be a little confusion on this.. so I just touched base with Don & Boz and here's the lowdown... The pot-luck mixer is TONIGHT! In the Nail Technical Center basement @ 7pm. Boz is opening the doors to the food-bringers around 6:30-6:45. Map here: http://xcssa.org/#MAP So far.. known items being brought are: -Chicken/buffalo wings -Italian meat-n-cheese balls -Tamales -Drinks (non-alc) -Fruit & Cheese Other items that we could use (that I had not heard listed yet) are: -chips AND chips+salsa, queso, etc -veggie plate -cookies & other "Holiday sweets" -other finger foods -Top shelf margaritas & REAL Eggnog (just kidding.. not! ;) Anyway.. bring what'cha like or just come, hang out and partake with geeky friends! Hope to see both some familiar and new faces from both SATLUG and XCSSA! You XCSSA guys.. I hope SOMEONE is bringing a microcontroller or robot!! :) Fredrik.. This would be a perfect night to bring Cooler-Bot! http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/video/dscf1048.flv.html http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/video/dscf1052.flv.html hehe See ya there! Tweeks XCSSA Reverse-Dictatorially-Elected President From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 9 14:49:04 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 9 14:49:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> Message-ID: <4B200D40.2090703@grandecom.net> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:01:40 -0600 > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > >> thanks daniel..think i will wait for a new improved version then! c >> > > On Windows, it's actually quite good. While the Chromium project has > been going strong and had a mostly-usable product out for a while, > Google has taken their work and officially released a Linux and Mac > version as beta. > > There's no reason you can't try it out. Nothing saying you have to > ditch Firefox the instant you install Chrome. > I have been using it almost exclusively on my windows machine and it runs fast and crash free so far. Chrome on windows seems to be much faster then firefox, that said I do have a lot of plugins loaded on firefox. IMO through the plugins is where firefox really shines there are litterally thousands of plugins. Chrome will have a lot of work to do in this department but Google has got the money. I just downloaded it for linux and will be testing Chrome on my lappy with ubuntu 9.10 over the next few days. Todd Todd From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 15:51:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 15:52:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912091351w5a251391mf30d4683e9240fb2@mail.gmail.com> would the install be done through synaptic? does it give you an icon like firefox so that i could choose whichever browser i wanted to use? are there any advantages of chrome over firefox you think? strictly curious...and thanks c On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:01:40 -0600 > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > thanks daniel..think i will wait for a new improved version then! c > > On Windows, it's actually quite good. While the Chromium project has > been going strong and had a mostly-usable product out for a while, > Google has taken their work and officially released a Linux and Mac > version as beta. > > There's no reason you can't try it out. Nothing saying you have to > ditch Firefox the instant you install Chrome. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 16:38:28 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 16:38:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912091438v93b5db3jc79813d14f72e48e@mail.gmail.com> thanks so much herb! i can always count on EXACT snd perfect info from you and I really do appreciate it. while i had your email open i went straight to synaptic, found what you told me exactly and installed it! thanks again..c On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:36:33 -0600, Herb Cee wrote: > > >Cheryl the Icon Daniel is referring to is part of the collection under > >'Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files ' Title is< > >gnome-applets > in Synaptic and it placed itself in the top panel in far > >right corner and is a speaker icon. > >hh > > There may also be a Volume Control selection under Multimedia in the > menu. You'll generally want Wave and Master set as high as good quality > allows. Setting any of the sliders or knobs too high will cause > distortion. There can also be a "boost" checkbox - try it both ways. > > On many sound cards there are two outputs: One for headphones/speakers > and one for line output for audio equipment. One or the other may be > louder for you. There may also be both front and rear jacks. If so, try > the other one. > > Your sound card may also have "advanced" features like surround sound > for multiple speakers. You'll probably want to select one of the stereo > plans. (There can be several, depending on where and what you plug in.) > > And then there's the traditional favorite: bad cables or dirty > connections. The cheap plugs and jacks used on consumer audio are > notorious for poor connections and frequent failures. > > Good hunting! --Don > > -- > 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 16:39:02 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 9 16:39:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912091439q1a1d24d6hdc0e09edfe77104d@mail.gmail.com> awww thank you. i will check closely then. i thought there was one but didn't know where it would be located. since i have to memorize where everything is on every website i frequent and on my os it reareally helps me a lot to know in advance where to look for things. then i can just memorize it... thanks a lot! c On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:53:03 -0600 > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > is there someplace to adjusat speaker volume (output) in Hardy and if > > so how please. I have my speakers up all the way and still the sound > > is too low. > > There should be a speaker icon in your panel where your notification > icons reside. This is usually next to the clock on the top panel. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 16:48:51 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Dec 9 16:48:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thoughts on google chrome In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912091351w5a251391mf30d4683e9240fb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090219t3cdae82eobb47b227173a97ad@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912090501h3c23869dj743506fc225782e2@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083718.26cb7c37@daniel-nb> <7e4994a70912091351w5a251391mf30d4683e9240fb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > would the install be done through synaptic? ?does it give you an icon like > firefox so that i could choose whichever browser i wanted to use? > > are there any advantages of chrome over firefox you think? > > strictly curious...and thanks c > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:01:40 -0600 >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >> > thanks daniel..think i will wait for a new improved version then! c >> >> On Windows, it's actually quite good. While the Chromium project has >> been going strong and had a mostly-usable product out for a while, >> Google has taken their work and officially released a Linux and Mac >> version as beta.>> I have used chrome a little over the past 3 weeks and have found it to be pretty good. Its main strengths are speed and simple interface. Its weaknesses are paper handling when printing and it lacks many plugins, like ABP. Also, it choked on an online java game - despite the claim that it has java built in to it. Overall, I liked it. You cannot get it on Synaptic. Use this link http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/download-google-chrome.html Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From lgj at usenix.org Wed Dec 9 18:14:17 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Dec 9 18:14:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENIX WebApps '10 Submissions Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <4E5D6003-A05C-48BE-9C3F-F4B3C6E2CF92@usenix.org> I'm writing to remind you that the submission deadline for the USENIX Conference on Web Application Development (WebApps '10) is approaching. Please submit your paper titles and abstracts by January 4, 2010, and your complete papers by January 11, 2010. The Call for Papers, with submission guidelines, can be found at http://www.usenix.org/webapps10/cfpb/ WebApps '10 is a new technical conference designed to bring together experts in all aspects of developing and deploying Web applications. Suggested topics related to Web application development include but are not limited to: * Computing substrates and deployment technologies ("cloud computing") * Frameworks for developing Web applications * Client-side toolkits, libraries, and plug-ins * Storage systems * Security issues for Web applications * Management techniques for large-scale Web applications * Languages for Web applications * Scalability issues and techniques * Techniques for creating highly interactive Web applications * Software as a service * Applications that illustrate interesting new features or implementation techniques * Performance measurements of Web applications * Real-time data delivery over the Web * Web services WebApps '10 will take place June 23?25, 2010, in Boston, MA. I look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, John Ousterhout, Stanford University WebApps '10 Program Chair webapps10chair@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers: USENIX Conference on Web Application Development (WebApps '10) June 20?25, 2010 Boston, MA http://www.usenix.org/webapps10/cfpb Paper abstracts and titles deadline: January 4, 2010 Complete papers submission deadline: January 11, 2010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 9 18:46:02 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Dec 9 19:06:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912091438v93b5db3jc79813d14f72e48e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70912091438v93b5db3jc79813d14f72e48e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2044CA.2000302@lookcee.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thanks so much herb! i can always count on EXACT snd perfect info from you > and I really do appreciate it. while i had your email open i went straight > to synaptic, found what you told me exactly and installed it! > > thanks again..c > Very welcome Cheryl I knew it would be easier for you if you knew where to find it. You may also be interested in installing both gnome-panel and gnome-alsamixer. gnome-panel has a gear icon and it produces you a dialog box and a list of installed programs, select one and it launches the application. Ends the wondering where the program launcher is hiding. gnome-alsamixer winds up in the App-menu and it breaks out all the controllable functions the installed sound card/chip has. allows you a slide control on each function. The quad surround chip on my box has a ton of settings half of which I haven't a clue but it allowed me to record from the chip capture devise when I wanted to and had not been able to get it to work. Anyway it may help ya some. Both are listed in Synaptic. hh From lamont_doss at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 10 01:21:53 2009 From: lamont_doss at satx.rr.com (Lamont Doss) Date: Thu Dec 10 01:21:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search In-Reply-To: <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> Message-ID: Im looking into purchasing a netbook. My requirements include a standard sized keyboard, high-resolution display, and Linux (openSuse) friendly. Suggestions? From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 05:35:14 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 10 05:35:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <4B2044CA.2000302@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70912091438v93b5db3jc79813d14f72e48e@mail.gmail.com> <4B2044CA.2000302@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912100335k6f158b6fya9362785846e54ef@mail.gmail.com> called gnome alsamixer in synaptic ? i will install that as well since i am now lsitening to my music again. it sure is nice to be able too again! it's also nice to be able to do the podcasts i enjoy too herb! tweeking this as i am with your help and the help of those in the group is making things a lot easier for me. i really like the way you teach herb. i understand what you say completely and i am able to do it perfectly. so now i am wondering is there a way to copy this hd since i am putting all these awersome settings and tweeks on it. there/s no way i could possibly remember all of them. would love to be able to burn a dvd backup of my hd..a bootable dvd that is. it/s nolt like we can do a "copy c:" right? thanks again herb! c On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> thanks so much herb! i can always count on EXACT snd perfect info from >> you >> and I really do appreciate it. while i had your email open i went >> straight >> to synaptic, found what you told me exactly and installed it! >> >> thanks again..c >> >> > Very welcome Cheryl I knew it would be easier for you if you knew where to > find it. You may also be interested in installing both gnome-panel and > gnome-alsamixer. > > gnome-panel has a gear icon and it produces you a dialog box and a list of > installed programs, select one and it launches the application. Ends the > wondering where the program launcher is hiding. > > gnome-alsamixer winds up in the App-menu and it breaks out all the > controllable functions the installed sound card/chip has. allows you a slide > control on each function. The quad surround chip on my box has a ton of > settings half of which I haven't a clue but it allowed me to record from the > chip capture devise when I wanted to and had not been able to get it to > work. Anyway it may help ya some. > > Both are listed in Synaptic. > hh > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 05:49:25 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 10 05:49:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] sound/volume control In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912100335k6f158b6fya9362785846e54ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> <4B1FEE31.7050000@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70912091438v93b5db3jc79813d14f72e48e@mail.gmail.com> <4B2044CA.2000302@lookcee.com> <7e4994a70912100335k6f158b6fya9362785846e54ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912100349l4a297c05r7bffdf6a17951c9d@mail.gmail.com> okie dokie herb...i got the gnome alsa soundmixer installed now from synaptic...thanks!!! c On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > called gnome alsamixer in synaptic ? i will install that as well since i > am now lsitening to my music again. it sure is nice to be able too again! > it's also nice to be able to do the podcasts i enjoy too herb! > > tweeking this as i am with your help and the help of those in the group is > making things a lot easier for me. i really like the way you teach herb. i > understand what you say completely and i am able to do it perfectly. > > so now i am wondering is there a way to copy this hd since i am putting all > these awersome settings and tweeks on it. there/s no way i could possibly > remember all of them. would love to be able to burn a dvd backup of my > hd..a bootable dvd that is. it/s nolt like we can do a "copy c:" right? > > thanks again herb! c > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > >> Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >>> thanks so much herb! i can always count on EXACT snd perfect info from >>> you >>> and I really do appreciate it. while i had your email open i went >>> straight >>> to synaptic, found what you told me exactly and installed it! >>> >>> thanks again..c >>> >>> >> Very welcome Cheryl I knew it would be easier for you if you knew where to >> find it. You may also be interested in installing both gnome-panel and >> gnome-alsamixer. >> >> gnome-panel has a gear icon and it produces you a dialog box and a list of >> installed programs, select one and it launches the application. Ends the >> wondering where the program launcher is hiding. >> >> gnome-alsamixer winds up in the App-menu and it breaks out all the >> controllable functions the installed sound card/chip has. allows you a slide >> control on each function. The quad surround chip on my box has a ton of >> settings half of which I haven't a clue but it allowed me to record from the >> chip capture devise when I wanted to and had not been able to get it to >> work. Anyway it may help ya some. >> >> Both are listed in Synaptic. >> hh >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Dec 10 06:16:52 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Dec 10 06:17:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70912090453q179a6a10j4a893de9a61e6e43@mail.gmail.com> <20091209083855.11c8dd22@daniel-nb> Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Lamont Doss wrote: > Im looking into purchasing a netbook. > My requirements include a standard sized keyboard, high-resolution > display, and Linux (openSuse) friendly. > Suggestions?-- Sounds more like you want a subnotebook. I believe the Dells have the highest possible screen resolution. As for keyboards, you aren't going to find a standard sized keyboard. I have a MSI Wind U100 and it's keyboard is close, but not quite and it has a 10" screen. That said, my Wind is awesome. It's been an absolute dream, but don't expect a whole lot out of any of the netbooks. Flash and full screen video can be pretty terrible, but for browsing/mail/terminal needs, it's fantastic. From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 06:36:19 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Dec 10 06:36:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search Message-ID: <2094540749-1260448582-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1438694186-@bda188.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I found the HP to be the most solid and comfortable-feeling keyboard yet, amongst all the small sub, sub, sub-notebooks/netbooks. HP has been producing tiny computers for a long time. I'm sure their engineers let out a collective (sigh) and a forehead slap when the market finally went ga-ga for the tiny computers. LOL Also, my lady has the Dell 12 inch and it's very cool... BUT if you even MENTION keyboard in your requirements, then stay away from Dell's Mini(s), the 9 AND the 12 will drive you mad! The 9 has key re-arrangements and the 12 has a better layout but the keys are frustratingly too small. They are big enough that you WANT to "go to town" like you are on a full-size, but then you start to throwing it across the room... (Well, they ARE durable!) I give an honorable mention to the Acer One. It's just plain got a nice feel. But, I'd say it feels like silver, the HP feels like GOLD and all the others feel like coal in my stocking. Give the sub-notebook suggestion some thought, but those are going to be 2-8 time the cost of a netbook. Remember, the netbooks are GUTTED. I feel the HP was least-gutted... If you will. It just really feels solid all around. Good luck! Hope you like whichever one you chose! kc ------Original Message------ From: Daniel J. Givens Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:16 AM On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Lamont Doss wrote: > Im looking into purchasing a netbook. > My requirements include a standard sized keyboard, high-resolution > display, and Linux (openSuse) friendly. > Suggestions?-- Sounds more like you want a subnotebook. I believe the Dells have the highest possible screen resolution. As for keyboards, you aren't going to find a standard sized keyboard. I have a MSI Wind U100 and it's keyboard is close, but not quite and it has a 10" screen. That said, my Wind is awesome. It's been an absolute dream, but don't expect a whole lot out of any of the netbooks. Flash and full screen video can be pretty terrible, but for browsing/mail/terminal needs, it's fantastic. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 06:39:04 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Dec 10 06:39:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search Message-ID: <329887226-1260448747-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-791615695-@bda188.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Oh, and Wal-Mart and Best Buy have just about all of them on display so you get a touch for them! Take a ride down there to check 'em out... kc ------Original Message------ From: Daniel J. Givens Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:16 AM On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Lamont Doss wrote: > Im looking into purchasing a netbook. > My requirements include a standard sized keyboard, high-resolution > display, and Linux (openSuse) friendly. > Suggestions?-- Sounds more like you want a subnotebook. I believe the Dells have the highest possible screen resolution. As for keyboards, you aren't going to find a standard sized keyboard. I have a MSI Wind U100 and it's keyboard is close, but not quite and it has a 10" screen. That said, my Wind is awesome. It's been an absolute dream, but don't expect a whole lot out of any of the netbooks. Flash and full screen video can be pretty terrible, but for browsing/mail/terminal needs, it's fantastic. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 10 21:02:25 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Dec 10 21:02:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Wednesday Mixer - After Action Report Message-ID: Thanks to all who came to the SATLUG/XCSSA party last night. There were enough caseous goodies to delight the turophiles among us, and enough snacks that fought back to please the native Texans. We had a small Christmas tree with a big train circling below it (thanks, Nathan!) and holiday tunes from several computers. I never knew binary numbers could be fun, but Glenn Bozwell showed a few of our younger guests that they were! Congratulations to incoming President Howard Haradon and the rest of the Board: Storey Clamp, Bruce Dubbs, Nathan Oxhandler, Jim Wells, and Don Wright. Upcoming events for your calendar: Dec. 12: Computer Show and Super Sale, Live Oak Civic Center http://www.pcshows.com Jan. 6-9: GNU/Linux/BSD Open Source Fest - SAC http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ Jan. 14: SATLUG Meeting - SAC http://www.satlug.org -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Dec 11 20:06:53 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Dec 11 20:06:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Ubuntu hardware compatibility lists In-Reply-To: <816faeb50912030618m8fa2fechb2a1175bcf25869c@mail.gmail.com> References: <816faeb50912030618m8fa2fechb2a1175bcf25869c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B22FABD.8000800@w5omr.shacknet.nu> John Kirby wrote: > If you're concerned about your mother losing her Firefox settings and > bookmarks, just install the Xmarks plug-in. It will automatically migrate > your bookmarks (and passwords, if you so desire) to a different installation > of Firefox. It's the second plug-in I activate in a new installation, after > AdBlock Plus. > my 2nd plug-in is no-script. ad-block gets some... no-script keeps out doubleclick and the like, as well. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 15:43:42 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate) Date: Sun Dec 13 15:43:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The 'use' command Message-ID: I have a script which contains the 'use' command, but that command is no longer in my system. Does From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 15:46:08 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate) Date: Sun Dec 13 15:46:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Use command continued... Message-ID: Damn phone... anyway... Does anyone know what package would provide the 'use' command? From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 13 17:02:04 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Dec 13 17:02:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Use command continued... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2rrai5hbg5tlf74it0ms59bf17fq6vc7cc@4ax.com> John Choate wrote: >Does anyone know what package would provide the 'use' command? In a script that might be Perl. (I don't use it but Google is sometimes kind.) The first line of the script should identify the interpreter the script expects. Do you have something like #!/usr/bin/perl as the first line? Posting the first line of the failing script and a few lines around the failing 'use' line might help narrow it down. Other candidates include SQL database queries or (less likely) 'NET USE' originally from Novell Netware. --Don -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 17:23:36 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Dec 13 17:23:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Use command continued... In-Reply-To: <2rrai5hbg5tlf74it0ms59bf17fq6vc7cc@4ax.com> References: <2rrai5hbg5tlf74it0ms59bf17fq6vc7cc@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200912131723.36944.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 December 2009 17:02:04 Don Wright wrote: > John Choate wrote: > > >Does anyone know what package would provide the 'use' command? > > In a script that might be Perl. (I don't use it but Google is sometimes > kind.) The first line of the script should identify the interpreter the > script expects. Do you have something like > #!/usr/bin/perl > as the first line? > > Posting the first line of the failing script and a few lines around the > failing 'use' line might help narrow it down. Other candidates include > SQL database queries or (less likely) 'NET USE' originally from Novell > Netware. --Don > > Thank you. I had ignored the first line because my error was pointing me to line 3 and unknown command use. The script in question is: #!/usr/bin/perl use MIME::Base64; # encode parameter 1 $encoded_usr = encode_base64($ARGV[0]); # encode parameter 2 $encoded_pwd = encode_base64($ARGV[1]); #$decoded = decode_base64($encoded); print $encoded_usr; print $encoded_pwd; I don't actually have any need for this script, but I had used it over a year ago to create base64 encrypted names and passwords to test logging in to use smtp via telnet. I was cleaning up my ~/ directory and found the script in there and decided to try it again. I'll look at the path to perl and my perl installation. Thanks, John C. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 17:41:22 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Dec 13 17:41:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Use command continued... Problem solved In-Reply-To: <2rrai5hbg5tlf74it0ms59bf17fq6vc7cc@4ax.com> References: <2rrai5hbg5tlf74it0ms59bf17fq6vc7cc@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200912131741.22643.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 13 December 2009 17:02:04 Don Wright wrote: > John Choate wrote: > > >Does anyone know what package would provide the 'use' command? > > In a script that might be Perl. (I don't use it but Google is sometimes > kind.) The first line of the script should identify the interpreter the > script expects. Do you have something like > #!/usr/bin/perl > as the first line? > > Posting the first line of the failing script and a few lines around the > failing 'use' line might help narrow it down. Other candidates include > SQL database queries or (less likely) 'NET USE' originally from Novell > Netware. --Don > > Problem solved. I won't provide details, but the problem was user error and nothing more. John C. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 13:16:16 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Dec 14 13:16:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Wednesday Mixer - After Action Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I meant to ask earlier...can anyone send me some pics from the event for my website? I know Tweeks took some of the train that was there. Thanks! E On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Don Wright wrote: > Thanks to all who came to the SATLUG/XCSSA party last night. There were > enough caseous goodies to delight the turophiles among us, and enough > snacks that fought back to please the native Texans. We had a small > Christmas tree with a big train circling below it (thanks, Nathan!) and > holiday tunes from several computers. I never knew binary numbers could > be fun, but Glenn Bozwell showed a few of our younger guests that they > were! > > Congratulations to incoming President Howard Haradon and the rest of the > Board: Storey Clamp, Bruce Dubbs, Nathan Oxhandler, Jim Wells, and Don > Wright. > > Upcoming events for your calendar: > Dec. 12: Computer Show and Super Sale, Live Oak Civic Center > http://www.pcshows.com > Jan. 6-9: GNU/Linux/BSD Open Source Fest - SAC > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > Jan. 14: SATLUG Meeting - SAC > http://www.satlug.org > > -- > 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 23:49:49 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Mon Dec 14 23:49:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search In-Reply-To: <329887226-1260448747-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-791615695-@bda188.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <329887226-1260448747-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-791615695-@bda188.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <869de8470912142149n452318c7rdbad1b760e883e36@mail.gmail.com> I'll throw my .02c in as well. Prior to a recent trade, I was thinking about getting a netbook however a friend had a HP 2510p that he wasn't doing anything with and I had a 1U server I wasn't doing anything with so a deal was made. Although the HDD in this one is proprietary (ruggedized and non-standard connector), it's 80gb and it flies. The laptop also has a tilt sensor that will shutoff the HDD if dropped, the lid is closed and it is moved or if it detects vibration. (trust me, cats + spinning disks = failure imminent). It's got a Intel Core2Duo 1.06GHz proc, 2GB of ram and it is fast as heck for linux or windows. It runs forever on the battery it came with and I charge it ~ once a week. Like the netbooks, it came with 802.11/54G wifi and also has a minipcie slot for a cellular data card if need be. Unlike the netbooks, this machine also managed to squeeze in a 56x DVD/CDRW. Considering all this, even though I like the netbook form factor, I know that this laptop could stomp the netbook's performance for a little more in size. This laptop is about 11 in wide by ~10in deep and about 1/2in thick and is not as heavy as a standard laptop. I think HP considers it an "ultraportable"? FIRESTORM_v1 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:39 AM, wrote: > Oh, and Wal-Mart and Best Buy have just about all of them on display so you get a touch for them! Take a ride down there to check 'em out... > > kc > ------Original Message------ > From: Daniel J. Givens > Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] The Great Netbook Search > Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:16 AM > > On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Lamont Doss > wrote: > >> Im looking into purchasing a netbook. >> My requirements include a standard sized keyboard, high-resolution >> display, and Linux (openSuse) friendly. >> Suggestions?-- > > Sounds more like you want a subnotebook. > > I believe the Dells have the highest possible screen resolution. As > for keyboards, you aren't going to find a standard sized keyboard. I > have a MSI Wind U100 and it's keyboard is close, but not quite and it > has a 10" screen. > > That said, my Wind is awesome. It's been an absolute dream, but don't > expect a whole lot out of any of the netbooks. Flash and full screen > video can be pretty terrible, but for browsing/mail/terminal needs, > it's fantastic. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From youcanlinux at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 04:37:13 2009 From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal) Date: Thu Dec 17 04:37:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked for the time being. Thanks! From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:40:40 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Dec 17 10:41:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Linode -> http://www.linode.com/?r=71d2427b5862792c798d19fc28dbbb21bfe421a9 I love them to death. Cheap and fast Virtual Servers. E On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked > for the time being. > > Thanks! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 17 11:28:40 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Dec 17 11:28:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72qki5h1a9rus9gnml3s24vtga579qroj9@4ax.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:37:13 -0500, Daniel Villarreal wrote: >Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked >for the time being. Not a recommendation (no experience with hosting) just a listing. May not fit your real needs other than 'cheap' meaning $5/month or less. http://www.godaddy.com/Hosting/web-hosting.aspx http://www.1and1.com -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From jjjordan at grandecom.net Thu Dec 17 15:25:26 2009 From: jjjordan at grandecom.net (JJ) Date: Thu Dec 17 15:25:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting References: <72qki5h1a9rus9gnml3s24vtga579qroj9@4ax.com> Message-ID: <74611DA3B85F44ECAEED7B3D7341B467@core1> Please excuse the my replying to this thread, since I am only using it to test the system. My Satlug e-mail box has dropped to zilch and e-mails I send are not showing-up in my Satlug in-box. Is there an issue here or is everyone MIA for the holidays!? Regaards, w5ssn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wright" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] re: hosting > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:37:13 -0500, Daniel Villarreal > wrote: > >>Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked >>for the time being. > > Not a recommendation (no experience with hosting) just a listing. May > not fit your real needs other than 'cheap' meaning $5/month or less. > http://www.godaddy.com/Hosting/web-hosting.aspx > http://www.1and1.com > > -- > 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 15:57:34 2009 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Dec 17 15:57:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cisco training in SA/Austin Message-ID: Any recommendations? //Message sent from mobile handset From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Thu Dec 17 16:56:30 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Thu Dec 17 16:57:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Understanding RAID and global hot spares Message-ID: <4B2AB71E.2070302@momentumweb.com> I've got a server-type box with an Intel RAID controller running SUSE Enterprise. One array with some 160g drives (3 in RAID 1 [2 plus a global hot spare]), and the 2nd array with some terabyte drives (3 in RAID 1 [2 plus a global hot spare]). Since I assigned each of those hot spares to the respective RAID array (the 160g hot spare to the 160 array, the 1TB hot spare to the terabyte array), I was under the impression each hot spare would be used in each array, respectively. But, in testing this setup, I pulled a drive from the 160g array and it started using the terabyte hot spare to rebuild the array!! Not what I wanted to have happen. (I had already tested this once before, and it used the correct 160g hot spare. But this 2nd time it used the 1TB drive.) Am I not understanding the global hot spare? Do I need to configure the global hot spare to be "local" or something so that it doesn't hop arrays like that? If I DO have to do that, will reconfiguring the RAID array mess with or destroy the data on the drives I already have running? David From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 17:58:10 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Dec 17 17:58:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting Message-ID: <516046709-1261094294-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2007377139-@bda181.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Personally, I have come to HATE Go-Daddy for their ruthless advertising and emailing techniques... Not to mention for just plain being pretentious! Annoying... (Sigh)... I do endorse 1 and 1 though. They advertise a bit heavy, too, but it's not insult-your-intelligence-porno advertising... ------Original Message------ From: Don Wright Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] re: hosting Sent: Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:37:13 -0500, Daniel Villarreal wrote: >Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked >for the time being. Not a recommendation (no experience with hosting) just a listing. May not fit your real needs other than 'cheap' meaning $5/month or less. http://www.godaddy.com/Hosting/web-hosting.aspx http://www.1and1.com -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Dec 17 19:25:41 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Dec 17 19:26:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Understanding RAID and global hot spares In-Reply-To: <4B2AB71E.2070302@momentumweb.com> References: <4B2AB71E.2070302@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <4B2ADA15.3030107@rugmonster.org> On 12/17/2009 4:56 PM, David Salisbury wrote: > I've got a server-type box with an Intel RAID controller running SUSE > Enterprise. One array with some 160g drives (3 in RAID 1 [2 plus a > global hot spare]), and the 2nd array with some terabyte drives (3 in > RAID 1 [2 plus a global hot spare]). Since I assigned each of those hot > spares to the respective RAID array (the 160g hot spare to the 160 > array, the 1TB hot spare to the terabyte array), I was under the > impression each hot spare would be used in each array, respectively. > > But, in testing this setup, I pulled a drive from the 160g array and it > started using the terabyte hot spare to rebuild the array!! Not what I > wanted to have happen. (I had already tested this once before, and it > used the correct 160g hot spare. But this 2nd time it used the 1TB > drive.) Am I not understanding the global hot spare? Do I need to > configure the global hot spare to be "local" or something so that it > doesn't hop arrays like that? If I DO have to do that, will > reconfiguring the RAID array mess with or destroy the data on the drives > I already have running? By nature of "global" I would assume that it would use the next available hotspare, however it makes that determination, where ever. This is all going to be specific to your controller, but I would imagine you could remove the hotspares and re-add them as local hotspares. I can't imagine a controller of any value that would cause you to destroy the RAID volume to add/remove a hotspare. -- Daniel From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 19:29:04 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Dec 17 19:29:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cisco training in SA/Austin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912171729l39fc4a62rd7c5546d83768d98@mail.gmail.com> What type and level of training? -Henry On Dec 17, 2009 4:57 PM, "twistedpickles" wrote: Any recommendations? //Message sent from mobile handset -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From daniel at rugmonster.org Thu Dec 17 19:31:26 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Thu Dec 17 19:31:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2ADB6E.6010808@rugmonster.org> On 12/17/2009 4:37 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked > for the time being. I sent a message to Daniel earlier, but I figured I would go ahead and throw it out to everyone else. I would be happy to host small-ish sites for folks for free, provided you don't need SSL. If you do, that's fine, but we would need to arrange some sort of reimbursement for the IP costs. I run nginx on a CentOS 5.4 slice at Slicehost. I would be willing to help translate mod_rewrite rules specific to Apache to nginx. If you need mail hosting, that's cool too. I've been running my own mail services for a while now. My slice isn't doing much and I've got plenty of capacity to share. If you want to DIY, I highly recommend Slicehost or Rackspace Cloud Servers. They are practically the same (technology and parent company, Rackspace), just billed a little differently. Slicehost allots you a certain amount of bandwidth and with Cloud Servers it's ? la carte. I've heard that unless you expect high bandwidth usage, Cloud Servers is cheaper. I've been using Slicehost myself for about a year and haven't had a single complaint. Rackspace Cloud Servers http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers Slicehost http://www.slicehost.com ** Full Disclosure: I am a Rackspace employee, but honestly love Slicehost completely independently of that fact -- Daniel From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 20:31:41 2009 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Dec 17 20:31:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cisco training in SA/Austin In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912171729l39fc4a62rd7c5546d83768d98@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0912171729l39fc4a62rd7c5546d83768d98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: CCNA //Message sent from mobile handset On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > What type and level of training? > > -Henry > > On Dec 17, 2009 4:57 PM, "twistedpickles" > wrote: > > Any recommendations? > > > > //Message sent from mobile handset > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From Channing.ML at channingc.com Fri Dec 18 08:35:58 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Fri Dec 18 08:36:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: <4B2ADB6E.6010808@rugmonster.org> References: <4B2ADB6E.6010808@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4B2B934E.7040902@channingc.com> Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On 12/17/2009 4:37 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites >> parked >> for the time being. > > I sent a message to Daniel earlier, but I figured I would go ahead and > throw it out to everyone else. > > I would be happy to host small-ish sites for folks for free, provided > you don't need SSL. If you do, that's fine, but we would need to > arrange some sort of reimbursement for the IP costs. I run nginx on a > CentOS 5.4 slice at Slicehost. I would be willing to help translate > mod_rewrite rules specific to Apache to nginx. If you need mail > hosting, that's cool too. I've been running my own mail services for a > while now. My slice isn't doing much and I've got plenty of capacity > to share. > > If you want to DIY, I highly recommend Slicehost or Rackspace Cloud > Servers. They are practically the same (technology and parent company, > Rackspace), just billed a little differently. Slicehost allots you a > certain amount of bandwidth and with Cloud Servers it's ? la carte. > I've heard that unless you expect high bandwidth usage, Cloud Servers > is cheaper. I've been using Slicehost myself for about a year and > haven't had a single complaint. > > Rackspace Cloud Servers > http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers > > Slicehost > http://www.slicehost.com > > ** Full Disclosure: I am a Rackspace employee, but honestly love > Slicehost completely independently of that fact > > -- > Daniel I'll have to second the Rack Cloud suggestion. Rack's Cloud has been great, so much so, that I flipped a colleague in no time when he had a catastrophic hardware event at his Colo. He is now leveraging the server services and since he's a semi-professional photographer, Cloud Files for backups of his data. For those who like to play, I'd encourage it. You can load a Cloud instance in minutes, configure and run. One of the best features is the ability to perform hot backups that can be used as new, or replacement instances. Of course you'll want to take care should you be running an email server, or other services whose data may need to be considered before you throw away an instance. A-la-carte usually means you pay more, but in this case it really can work in your favor. ** Full Discloser: I am not a Racker - I just love their services :) Channing From dennis at myediscounts.com Fri Dec 18 17:27:38 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:27:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction Message-ID: <7e039bc6c30e07bb22bf8a7938161fe3.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Hello everyone, I just found out about SATLUG and joined up yesterday. I've played around with Unix/Linux for a few years now and always wanted to try out new ideas with people. I run Ubuntu, CentOS5.3 and every so often I'll load up a SUSE server just for giggles. I'm trying to learn LISP currently and finding it pretty interesting, I setup a IBM eServer 366 with two Xeon 64-bit processors running at 3.2GHZ to develop on. My next project will be a Dell 8460 with 8 Xeon processors. We get a ton of servers in at work so I get my pick to play around with. I work over at Corona Visions and My E Discounts and have been there for about 8 months. I look forward to meeting all that show up to the next meeting. Thanks Dennis Norwood From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 17:43:36 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:43:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction In-Reply-To: <7e039bc6c30e07bb22bf8a7938161fe3.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <7e039bc6c30e07bb22bf8a7938161fe3.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912181543p4d174646u295ed514418863a2@mail.gmail.com> Welcome Dennis. I think you will enjoy this group! Would you mind telling me what Corona Vistas id please? I also use Ubuntu, mainly Hardy Heron and may look more at Intrpid soon... Welcome again c On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, wrote: > Hello everyone, I just found out about SATLUG and joined up yesterday. > I've played around with Unix/Linux for a few years now and always wanted > to try out new ideas with people. I run Ubuntu, CentOS5.3 and every so > often I'll load up a SUSE server just for giggles. > > I'm trying to learn LISP currently and finding it pretty interesting, I > setup a IBM eServer 366 with two Xeon 64-bit processors running at 3.2GHZ > to develop on. My next project will be a Dell 8460 with 8 Xeon > processors. We get a ton of servers in at work so I get my pick to play > around with. > > I work over at Corona Visions and My E Discounts and have been there for > about 8 months. I look forward to meeting all that show up to the next > meeting. > > Thanks > Dennis Norwood > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From dennis at myediscounts.com Fri Dec 18 17:51:39 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Fri Dec 18 17:52:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912181543p4d174646u295ed514418863a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e039bc6c30e07bb22bf8a7938161fe3.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912181543p4d174646u295ed514418863a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Corona Visions is an electronic recycling company here in San Antonio. The other part is My E Discounts, which takes in much of the electronics and repairs it and then resells it. I use Hardy as well for the most part, but I kinda like the CentOS as well. I look forward to meeting as many people in the up and coming months. Dennis > Welcome Dennis. I think you will enjoy this group! > > Would you mind telling me what Corona Vistas id please? > > I also use Ubuntu, mainly Hardy Heron and may look more at Intrpid soon... > > Welcome again c > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, wrote: > >> Hello everyone, I just found out about SATLUG and joined up yesterday. >> I've played around with Unix/Linux for a few years now and always wanted >> to try out new ideas with people. I run Ubuntu, CentOS5.3 and every so >> often I'll load up a SUSE server just for giggles. >> >> I'm trying to learn LISP currently and finding it pretty interesting, I >> setup a IBM eServer 366 with two Xeon 64-bit processors running at >> 3.2GHZ >> to develop on. My next project will be a Dell 8460 with 8 Xeon >> processors. We get a ton of servers in at work so I get my pick to play >> around with. >> >> I work over at Corona Visions and My E Discounts and have been there for >> about 8 months. I look forward to meeting all that show up to the next >> meeting. >> >> Thanks >> Dennis Norwood >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mguhlin at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 19:11:59 2009 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Fri Dec 18 19:12:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Howdy Message-ID: <680452b50912181711r109a5c92h3396c2e97b9c2183@mail.gmail.com> Well, in the spirit of that last introduction, howdy! My name is Miguel Guhlin and I started my GNU/Linux journey about 2-3 years ago with UbuntuLinux on an old Mac! From there, I've tried a wide variety of distros like SimplyMepis, RedHat, PCLinuxOS, and, of course, Ubuntu. My current systems run Ubuntu Karmic Koala, Linux Mint (based on ubuntu), and that's basically it for now. You can find out more about me online at http://mguhlin.net (writings) and http://mguhlin.org (blog). Thanks to all the great info available via Google, the journey in using GNU/Linux has been pretty straightforward, if not occasionally frustrating, in trying to find the right answer. I never imagined a San Antonio Linux Users Group...sigh. Some items that may be of interest and are shared under Creative Commons Copyright (ShareAlike-NC-Attribution): Moodle Stuff - http://mguhlin.net/moodle UbuntuLinux - http://www.mguhlin.org/search/label/UbuntuLinux Glad to meet you all, Miguel Guhlin Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 14:37:47 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Dec 19 14:37:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Howdy In-Reply-To: <680452b50912181711r109a5c92h3396c2e97b9c2183@mail.gmail.com> References: <680452b50912181711r109a5c92h3396c2e97b9c2183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome, Miguel. Don't forget our January events: 6-9th Open source fest at San Antonio College (Nail Ctr.) 14th at 7PM - Regular meeting at Nail Center 23rd SATLUG table at the PC show, Live Oak Civic Ctr. Checkout satlug.org for more info. on these events. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: > Well, in the spirit of that last introduction, howdy! My name is Miguel > Guhlin and I started my GNU/Linux journey about 2-3 years ago with > UbuntuLinux on an old Mac! From there, I've tried a wide variety of distros > like SimplyMepis, RedHat, PCLinuxOS, and, of course, Ubuntu. My current > systems run Ubuntu Karmic Koala, Linux Mint (based on ubuntu), and that's > basically it for now. You can find out more about me online at > http://mguhlin.net (writings) and http://mguhlin.org (blog). > > Thanks to all the great info available via Google, the journey in using > GNU/Linux has been pretty straightforward, if not occasionally frustrating, > in trying to find the right answer. I never imagined a San Antonio Linux > Users Group...sigh. > > Some items that may be of interest and are shared under Creative Commons > Copyright (ShareAlike-NC-Attribution): > > Moodle Stuff - http://mguhlin.net/moodle > UbuntuLinux - http://www.mguhlin.org/search/label/UbuntuLinux > > Glad to meet you all, > > Miguel Guhlin > Email - mguhlin@gmail.com > Blog: http://mguhlin.org > Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jc78244 at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 17:26:15 2009 From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C) Date: Sat Dec 19 17:26:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Howdy In-Reply-To: References: <680452b50912181711r109a5c92h3396c2e97b9c2183@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75be82090912191526t5b911c86l230648fbacfc271a@mail.gmail.com> So when is the Installfest? -Jesse C On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Welcome, Miguel. ?Don't forget our January events: > > 6-9th ?Open source fest at San Antonio College (Nail Ctr.) > > 14th at 7PM - Regular meeting at Nail Center > > 23rd ?SATLUG table at the PC show, Live Oak Civic Ctr. > > Checkout satlug.org for more info. on these events. > > Howard From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 17:27:47 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Dec 19 17:27:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > Can anyone recommend a cheap web hosting company? I've got my sites parked > for the time being. > > Thanks! > -- The SATLUG Wiki page: [Web Hosting Services] {Overview} Web Hosting Comparison [Free or Cheap Web Hosting Services] 100 Best Free Web Space Providers - Good free web hosting services are extremely hard to find! You get what you pay for Best Cheap Alternatives to Free Web Hosting - Save the stress and hassle of "Free" web hosting. Pick a low cost web host and get the customer service you need [Web Space Providers Recommended by SATLUGGERS] [http://www.1and1.com/ 1 ======================================================= If you find one you like anywhere just add it to the "Web Space Providers Recommended by SATLUGGERS" with any comments you care to make. From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 19:36:29 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Dec 19 19:36:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Howdy In-Reply-To: <75be82090912191526t5b911c86l230648fbacfc271a@mail.gmail.com> References: <680452b50912181711r109a5c92h3396c2e97b9c2183@mail.gmail.com> <75be82090912191526t5b911c86l230648fbacfc271a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Jesse C wrote: > So when is the Installfest? > > -Jesse C > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Howard Haradon wrote: >> Welcome, Miguel. ?Don't forget our January events: >> >> 6-9th ?Open source fest at San Antonio College (Nail Ctr.) >> >> 14th at 7PM - Regular meeting at Nail Center >> >> 23rd ?SATLUG table at the PC show, Live Oak Civic Ctr. >> >> Checkout satlug.org for more info. on these events. >> >> Steve Kolars and Glenn Boswell of SAC schedule installfests to meet CIS class needs. Mainly students come in to get Fedora Core on their PCs, but all are welcome and usually other distros are available. It will be posted here on the list. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 19:52:43 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Dec 19 19:52:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation Message-ID: Hello to All, we need some kind of program or presentation for the Jan. meeting. Please post ideas here of contact me at the above email. Possibilities: * Someone familiar with Gimp could demo 4-5 typical Gimp projects * A detailed how-to presentation on making a Gentoo install * How-to presentation on how the gcc compiler works and how to use various commands, what needs to be installed HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 22:15:00 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Dec 19 22:15:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2DA4C4.30500@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Hello to All, we need some kind of program or presentation > for the Jan. meeting. Please post ideas here of contact me > at the above email. > > Possibilities: > * Someone familiar with Gimp could demo 4-5 typical Gimp > projects > > * A detailed how-to presentation on making a Gentoo install > > * How-to presentation on how the gcc compiler works and > how to use various commands, what needs to be installed Since the Open Source Fest is January 6-9 and the SATLUG meeting is currently scheduled for Jan 14, I'd suggest cancelling the meeting for January. I'd be willing to give a presentation on GRUB2 in February. -- Bruce From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Dec 20 01:43:15 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Dec 20 01:43:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <7e039bc6c30e07bb22bf8a7938161fe3.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912181543p4d174646u295ed514418863a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200912200143.16201.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 18 December 2009 05:51:39 pm dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: [...] > I use Hardy as well for the most part, but I kinda like the CentOS as well. > > I look forward to meeting as many people in the up and coming months. SATLUG's a good little lug.. and been around a long time. But also be sure to come check out XCSSA every third Monday night of the month for a ride on the wild side... :) http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2009-10-19.html#NEXT http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2009-11-16.html#NEXT http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2008-07-21/ http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/ http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/ Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Dec 20 03:12:06 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Dec 20 03:12:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] re: hosting In-Reply-To: <4B2B934E.7040902@channingc.com> References: <4B2ADB6E.6010808@rugmonster.org> <4B2B934E.7040902@channingc.com> Message-ID: <200912200312.07183.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Friday 18 December 2009 08:35:58 am Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: [...] > I'll have to second the Rack Cloud suggestion. Glad to hear that so many people are liking the Rackspace Cloud stuff (BTW, you all are only discussing the "Cloud Servers" offering). However, the "Rackspace Cloud" is now way more than just little VMs (Cloud Servers)... It's more like we have a bunch of virtualized building blocks that you can put to gether and configure however you want to build your applications on top of... getting away from the traditional concept of "a server" or just "a web site". Just for clarity's sake.. and for those who are still a little "foggy" (hehe) on what all this cloud stuff is all about... there now are several different "cloud" offerings at Rackspace. > ** Full Discloser: I am not a Racker - I just love their services :) Full Disclosure: I AM a Racker... and you're all using their services right now! * ;) Maybe this will help things a bit more clear... (this is not a sales pitch.. I'm a geek guys) -Cloud Servers (aka "slices") These are little Xen VMs that you can have loaded up and running in just minutes.. and only cost a few bucks/month. Yes.. you have full root.. and can get full snapshot based backups and really do all kinds of cool stuff with these little VM servers. We support auto- provisioning on CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, and I think a couple other distros too. Windows is coming soon too! ;) More info: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers -Cloud Sites (aka "website hosting" or "mosso") This is akin to more traditional web vhosting, but with a really slick unifying admin user interface, a scalable backend DB, DNS, and more. More info: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/sites -Cloud Files (a storage system akin to Amazon S3, but "cooler") Something like Amazon S3 (a web-storage system) but on steroids. Cloud Files also has cool features such as: -BUILT IN CDN (content distribution network, yeah.. like Akami "web acceleration") -An open API that can be tied directly into your apps (iphone app: http://tinyurl.com/yhfv936 ) -A URL linkable access method (for use in regular web sites) -Web control panel based file browser (plus many clients like Cyberduck) -Just $0.15/GiB (sorry.. I don't normally share prices.. but so many people ask that) More info: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/files Here's the Web-UI that ties the three above all together: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_demos Then there's some cool new Cloud-Apps being offered by Rackspace Email & Apps.. such as: -Rackspace Cloud Drive (desktop cloud-files drive mapping/syncing system) This "storage application" uses Cloud Files (or S3 if you prefer) to give you a web-service and desktop drive mapping/sharing service that lets you mount, share and sync against your cloud storage resources... More info: http://www.rackspace.com/online_file_storage -Rackspace Server Backup (same as Cloud Drive, but for servers and backups) This "storage application" uses Cloud Files (or S3 if you prefer) to give you a cloud based server backup solution. It has it's own backup system, or you can just map your resources and use rsync! Works with Linux, Mac-OSX, oh yeah.. and that other OS "Windows" too ;) More info: http://www.rackspace.com/data_backup_software More info: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/files So as you can see.. "Rackspace Cloud" is now way more than just little VMs (Cloud Servers)... This is why they launched this whole more "No More Servers" campaign: http://nomoreservers.com/ (i can't believe they actually used a football metaphor in that video... ;) Maybe I should consider doing a presentation on the Rackspace cloud technologies? At XCSSA.. or OSFest? Hmm.. maybe if I get some queries for it. Well, it's late and there's probably typos and errors throughout all this.. nite nite! Tweeks * See here: $ host satlug.org | grep address| cut -f4 -d" " | xargs whois {} -h \ whois.geektools.com | grep -A8 OrgName: OrgName: Rackspace.com, Ltd. OrgID: RSPC Address: 9725 Datapoint Drive Address: Suite 100 City: San Antonio StateProv: TX PostalCode: 78229 Country: US :) From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 15:19:51 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (KC) Date: Sun Dec 20 15:19:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Corona Visions / My E Discounts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <773781.99329.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> So, Dennis, I looked up both companies and don't see much web-presence.... do they list on e-Bay, or have a store front? kc --- On Fri, 12/18/09, dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > From: dennis@myediscounts.com > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:51 PM > Corona Visions is an electronic > recycling company here in San Antonio. > The other part is My E Discounts, which takes in much of > the electronics > and repairs it and then resells it. > > I use Hardy as well for the most part, but I kinda like the > CentOS as well. > > I look forward to meeting as many people in the up and > coming months. > > Dennis > > > Welcome Dennis.? I think you will enjoy this > group! > > > > Would you mind telling me what Corona Vistas id > please? > > > > I also use Ubuntu, mainly Hardy Heron and may look > more at Intrpid soon... > > > > Welcome again c > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, > wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone, I just found out about SATLUG and > joined up yesterday. > >> I've played around with Unix/Linux for a few years > now and always wanted > >> to try out new ideas with people.? I run > Ubuntu, CentOS5.3 and every so > >> often I'll load up a SUSE server just for > giggles. > >> > >> I'm trying to learn LISP currently and finding it > pretty interesting, I > >> setup a IBM eServer 366 with two Xeon 64-bit > processors running at > >> 3.2GHZ > >> to develop on.? My next project will be a > Dell 8460 with 8 Xeon > >> processors.? We get a ton of servers in at > work so I get my pick to play > >> around with. > >> > >> I work over at Corona Visions and My E Discounts > and have been there for > >> about 8 months.? I look forward to meeting > all that show up to the next > >> meeting. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Dennis Norwood > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as > precious as the > > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship > of? blessed little > > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest > love, Hillary, June > > 2008; > > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dennis at myediscounts.com Sun Dec 20 17:58:46 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Sun Dec 20 17:58:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Corona Visions / My E Discounts In-Reply-To: <773781.99329.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <773781.99329.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6a64246db6b76ca5de9f810bc7221580.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> We do most of our sales off our ebay store. We are looking into getting our websites back up but things have been hectic and I havent had any time to look at them. I may end up hiring that out to someone else. > So, Dennis, > > I looked up both companies and don't see much web-presence.... do they > list on e-Bay, or have a store front? > > kc > > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, dennis@myediscounts.com > wrote: > >> From: dennis@myediscounts.com >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> >> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:51 PM >> Corona Visions is an electronic >> recycling company here in San Antonio. >> The other part is My E Discounts, which takes in much of >> the electronics >> and repairs it and then resells it. >> >> I use Hardy as well for the most part, but I kinda like the >> CentOS as well. >> >> I look forward to meeting as many people in the up and >> coming months. >> >> Dennis >> >> > Welcome Dennis.? I think you will enjoy this >> group! >> > >> > Would you mind telling me what Corona Vistas id >> please? >> > >> > I also use Ubuntu, mainly Hardy Heron and may look >> more at Intrpid soon... >> > >> > Welcome again c >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hello everyone, I just found out about SATLUG and >> joined up yesterday. >> >> I've played around with Unix/Linux for a few years >> now and always wanted >> >> to try out new ideas with people.? I run >> Ubuntu, CentOS5.3 and every so >> >> often I'll load up a SUSE server just for >> giggles. >> >> >> >> I'm trying to learn LISP currently and finding it >> pretty interesting, I >> >> setup a IBM eServer 366 with two Xeon 64-bit >> processors running at >> >> 3.2GHZ >> >> to develop on.? My next project will be a >> Dell 8460 with 8 Xeon >> >> processors.? We get a ton of servers in at >> work so I get my pick to play >> >> around with. >> >> >> >> I work over at Corona Visions and My E Discounts >> and have been there for >> >> about 8 months.? I look forward to meeting >> all that show up to the next >> >> meeting. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Dennis Norwood >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SATLUG mailing list >> >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as >> precious as the >> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship >> of? blessed little >> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest >> love, Hillary, June >> > 2008; >> > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).. >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Sun Dec 20 19:56:32 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Dec 20 19:56:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Corona Visions / My E Discounts In-Reply-To: <6a64246db6b76ca5de9f810bc7221580.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <773781.99329.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <6a64246db6b76ca5de9f810bc7221580.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <4B2ED5D0.7090309@lookcee.com> dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > We do most of our sales off our ebay store. We are looking into getting > our websites back up but things have been hectic and I havent had any time > to look at them. I may end up hiring that out to someone else. > > >> So, Dennis, >> >> I looked up both companies and don't see much web-presence.... do they >> list on e-Bay, or have a store front? >> >> kc >> Hi Dennis, I looked too and found almost no information on the Sites. I also can't find either Co doing Ebay search either. Would you please post your ebay store ID. Frankly you appear to not be in much operation yet. Are you a new startup? Are you a non-profit? Are you a NGO? What do you intend to put Linux (whatever distro) to use. I am tailoring Ubuntu to use for general business back office and for Shop/plant floor loading and inventory control. So I am interested and involved from that aspect. I also buy all of my puter stuff from ebay sellers. hh From dennis at myediscounts.com Sun Dec 20 21:28:23 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Sun Dec 20 21:28:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Corona Visions / My E Discounts In-Reply-To: <4B2ED5D0.7090309@lookcee.com> References: <773781.99329.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <6a64246db6b76ca5de9f810bc7221580.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <4B2ED5D0.7090309@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <18749b4078011c2447ea2a8966e9854a.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> I've recently taken over all the IT and repair work here and I'm trying to get everything up and running as quickly as I can. Corona Visions has been in business for over 13 years and My E Discounts about two. The store URL is http://stores.ebay.com/My-E-Discounts I've just hired someone last month to turn around the ebay store and he is doing a great job, in less than a month he has gotten us Silver Power seller and that was with just a fraction of the product that we actually have to offer. We are working to get our web sites up to par, but given the current resources it has taken longer than I like. We will be at the next computer show in Jan, and hopefully our new My E Discount site will be open to the public, it has been a private site for one of our clients and now we will offer it to all. > dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> We do most of our sales off our ebay store. We are looking into getting >> our websites back up but things have been hectic and I havent had any >> time >> to look at them. I may end up hiring that out to someone else. >> >> >>> So, Dennis, >>> >>> I looked up both companies and don't see much web-presence.... do they >>> list on e-Bay, or have a store front? >>> >>> kc >>> > > Hi Dennis, > > I looked too and found almost no information on the Sites. I also can't > find either Co doing Ebay search either. Would you please post your ebay > store ID. Frankly you appear to not be in much operation yet. Are you a > new startup? Are you a non-profit? Are you a NGO? What do you intend to > put Linux (whatever distro) to use. I am tailoring Ubuntu to use for > general business back office and for Shop/plant floor loading and > inventory control. So I am interested and involved from that aspect. I > also buy all of my puter stuff from ebay sellers. > hh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Sun Dec 20 21:36:41 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Sun Dec 20 21:36:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: <4B2DA4C4.30500@gmail.com> References: , <4B2DA4C4.30500@gmail.com> Message-ID: I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:15:00 -0600 > From: bruce.dubbs@gmail.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation > > Howard Haradon wrote: > > Hello to All, we need some kind of program or presentation > > for the Jan. meeting. Please post ideas here of contact me > > at the above email. > > > > Possibilities: > > * Someone familiar with Gimp could demo 4-5 typical Gimp > > projects > > > > * A detailed how-to presentation on making a Gentoo install > > > > * How-to presentation on how the gcc compiler works and > > how to use various commands, what needs to be installed > > Since the Open Source Fest is January 6-9 and the SATLUG meeting is > currently scheduled for Jan 14, I'd suggest cancelling the meeting for > January. > > I'd be willing to give a presentation on GRUB2 in February. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Dec 20 22:27:58 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Dec 20 22:28:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: References: , <4B2DA4C4.30500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. Boo! http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers Yeah, I'm partial. -- Daniel > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Dec 20 23:29:21 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Dec 20 23:29:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 20 December 2009 10:27:58 pm Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Benjamin Temple > > wrote: > > > > I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. > > Boo! > > http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers > > Yeah, I'm partial. Actually.. Ben.. I would love to maybe have you do an honest third part evaluation of EC2 and Cloud Servers. Interested? Contact me and I'll see if I can get you an evaluation setup for doing your comparisons.. Tweeks From daniel at rugmonster.org Sun Dec 20 23:58:45 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sun Dec 20 23:58:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Tweeks wrote: > On Sunday 20 December 2009 10:27:58 pm Daniel J. Givens wrote: >> On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Benjamin Temple > >>> wrote: >>> >>> I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. >> >> Boo! >> >> http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers >> >> Yeah, I'm partial. > > Actually.. Ben.. I would love to maybe have you do an honest third > part > evaluation of EC2 and Cloud Servers. Interested? Contact me and > I'll see if > I can get you an evaluation setup for doing your comparisons.. That's a great idea. I personally haven't used EC2, so it would be interesting to see a practical comparison of the two. That also gives me an idea for a presentation on cloud storage (S3, Cloud Files, etc). An overview of the services, practical uses and utilities. Maybe Feb/Mar, once I've had a chance to settle in from the move. From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 07:36:01 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Dec 21 07:36:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Thanks to both of our volunteers. I am guessing that you will need the VGA projector. Perhaps strong internet access will be needed too? Please post what will be needed. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Tweeks wrote: > >> On Sunday 20 December 2009 10:27:58 pm Daniel J. Givens wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Benjamin Temple >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. >>> >>> Boo! >>> >>> http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers >>> >>> Yeah, I'm partial. >> >> Actually.. Ben.. I would love to maybe have you do an honest third part >> evaluation of EC2 and Cloud Servers. ?Interested? ?Contact me and I'll see >> if >> I can get you an evaluation setup for doing your comparisons.. > > That's a great idea. I personally haven't used EC2, so it would be > interesting to see a practical comparison of the two. > > That also gives me an idea for a presentation on cloud storage (S3, Cloud > Files, etc). An overview of the services, practical uses and utilities. > Maybe Feb/Mar, once I've had a chance to settle in from the move. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Mon Dec 21 17:19:49 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Mon Dec 21 17:19:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation In-Reply-To: <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: , , , <200912202329.21309.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Tweeks, Did you get my e-mail from BTEMPLE [[AT]] TES[[hyphen]]COMPUTERS.COM? Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. > From: tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Call for a January Presentation > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:29:21 -0600 > > On Sunday 20 December 2009 10:27:58 pm Daniel J. Givens wrote: > > On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Benjamin Temple > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I could do a presentation on Amazon EC2 running Linux. > > > > Boo! > > > > http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers > > > > Yeah, I'm partial. > > Actually.. Ben.. I would love to maybe have you do an honest third part > evaluation of EC2 and Cloud Servers. Interested? Contact me and I'll see if > I can get you an evaluation setup for doing your comparisons.. > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Dec 21 18:23:50 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Dec 21 18:23:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Windows ME Message-ID: <4B301196.90101@satx.rr.com> Does anyone have a copy of a Windows ME install CD that I can borrow? I have an old PC with a valid Windows ME license that I would like to do a clean install on, but no CD. TIA Al Lesmerises From ftm at satx.rr.com Mon Dec 21 18:33:03 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug) Date: Mon Dec 21 18:33:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Windows ME In-Reply-To: <4B301196.90101@satx.rr.com> References: <4B301196.90101@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5D098D8BA97C48E687AE903CC87AA068@Control> Yes I have one - Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lesmerises" To: "SATLUG Mail Group" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Windows ME > Does anyone have a copy of a Windows ME install CD that I can borrow? I > have an old PC with a valid Windows ME license that I would like to do a > clean install on, but no CD. > > TIA > > Al Lesmerises > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From Channing.ML at ChanningC.com Mon Dec 21 22:52:50 2009 From: Channing.ML at ChanningC.com (Channing) Date: Mon Dec 21 22:53:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations Message-ID: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> I'm in the market for a new "N" router. I was looking at the Linksys 610, but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are saying. Does anyone have any recommendations? TIA, Channing From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 23:51:09 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Dec 21 23:51:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> References: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: Right now, the Netgear WNDR3700 seems to be rated the best router on the market. You can read more about it here: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/30925-start-your-buying-netgear-wndr3700-reviewed The problem with linksys (and I've learned this from personal experience) is that as time has passed from the WRT-54G to today, they have consistently used cheaper parts and crappier code (firmware). If you read their own forums, you will also see that they do not respond at all to the complaints, as they know they have produced pieces of crap and can't really do anything about it unless they recall all of the units. The WRT-54G/S/L were pretty good but anything after that series seems to be of less quality. You can mitigate some of the issues (as I have) by running multiple units so that one unit is not doing everything (firewall/DHCP/routing/wireless). I have a 54G with DD-WRT handling routing/firewall/dhcp and then a 160N acting as simple N AP. I have a separate Netgear gigabit switch handling the server LAN. All works like a charm. That being said, I will never buy another linksys product again. I will probably get the WNDR3700 when my 160N or 54G take a crap on me. E On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Channing wrote: > I'm in the market for a new "N" router. I was looking at the Linksys 610, > but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are saying. > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > TIA, > Channing > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From justin.burdette at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 00:41:02 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Tue Dec 22 00:41:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: I dumped my WRT54G a while back as I couldn't even assign it a 10.10.x.x IP on my local network and flashing to DD-WRT or OpenWRT didn't work at all. I'm currently running a Netgear router configured just the way I want it. No problems whatsoever, except that the firmware update will not work in Firefox at all. I had to switch over to my XP computer and do it in IE...probably the first time I've used IE on one of my own computers since FF was still in the 0.9x stages. I haven't read much about their N routers, but I will be looking in to them shortly as my next laptop purchase should have N capability. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 23:51, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Right now, the Netgear WNDR3700 seems to be rated the best router on the > market. You can read more about it here: > > http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/30925-start-your-buying-netgear-wndr3700-reviewed > > The problem with linksys (and I've learned this from personal experience) > is > that as time has passed from the WRT-54G to today, they have consistently > used cheaper parts and crappier code (firmware). If you read their own > forums, you will also see that they do not respond at all to the > complaints, > as they know they have produced pieces of crap and can't really do anything > about it unless they recall all of the units. > > The WRT-54G/S/L were pretty good but anything after that series seems to be > of less quality. You can mitigate some of the issues (as I have) by running > multiple units so that one unit is not doing everything > (firewall/DHCP/routing/wireless). I have a 54G with DD-WRT handling > routing/firewall/dhcp and then a 160N acting as simple N AP. I have a > separate Netgear gigabit switch handling the server LAN. All works like a > charm. That being said, I will never buy another linksys product again. > > I will probably get the WNDR3700 when my 160N or 54G take a crap on me. > > E > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Channing >wrote: > > > I'm in the market for a new "N" router. I was looking at the Linksys > 610, > > but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are saying. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > > > TIA, > > Channing > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Computer Services by Justin 24/7 PC Support (210) 646-HELP From morfic at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 08:08:13 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Tue Dec 22 08:08:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless N verification. Message-ID: <13bb8ce10912220608n1a38e7del4fcbc450492c56e0@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have some good links on how to verify a wireless N chipset is in the right mode? Iwlist scan never lists more than 54mb/s for wlan0. I haven't had any luck finding a link where that is verified through means other than speed tests. Before I look into my awesome 6mb/s link, I'd like to make sure the intel 5100 is in right mode. Router is a wrt320n Linux link speed is same if router is in mixed or n only mode. Thanks, Daniel From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 10:13:02 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:13:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write Message-ID: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a bit of troubles that I can't seem to figure out. I've googled and read the man page for smbmout, but when I try and mount a Windows Vista Share RW to the Linux box, I always get a permission denied when I try and write a file to it. I've specified the uid/gid and rw in the mount options, but still get permission denied. Here is what I get when I perform smbclient -L nightscape from the Linux box: edcoates@nightmare:/nightscape$ smbclient -L nightscape Enter edcoates's password: Domain=[NIGHTSCAPE] OS=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6002 Service Pack 2] Server=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6.0] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- ADMIN$ Disk Remote Admin C Disk C$ Disk Default share D$ Disk Default share IPC$ IPC Remote IPC Domain=[NIGHTSCAPE] OS=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6002 Service Pack 2] Server=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6.0] Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- Here is the command that I use to mount the filesystem: mount -t smbfs //nightscape/C /nightscape -o uid=edcoates,gid=edcoates,username=edcoates,rw I put in the password, and it's mounted as such: //nightscape/C on /nightscape type cifs (rw,mand) if I do an ls -la, I can see that the filesystem has been mounted with the files owned by edcoates:edcoates like I want, but I can't make any changes to the filesystem without getting permission denied. Any ideas? From Channing.ML at channingc.com Tue Dec 22 10:19:24 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:19:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> The security of newer windows servers and Vista are different. Here is one article on how to downgrade the M$ side to allow for mounting: http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 I should say that it's been some time since I went down this path and I have not vetted the link above, so if it's not 100% what you need, you may have to do a little more googling. Channing Ed Coates wrote: > I'm having a bit of troubles that I can't seem to figure out. I've > googled and read the man page for smbmout, but when I try and mount a > Windows Vista Share RW to the Linux box, I always get a permission > denied when I try and write a file to it. I've specified the uid/gid > and rw in the mount options, but still get permission denied. Here is > what I get when I perform smbclient -L nightscape from the Linux box: > > edcoates@nightmare:/nightscape$ smbclient -L nightscape > Enter edcoates's password: > Domain=[NIGHTSCAPE] OS=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6002 Service > Pack 2] Server=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6.0] > > Sharename Type Comment > --------- ---- ------- > ADMIN$ Disk Remote Admin > C Disk > C$ Disk Default share > D$ Disk Default share > IPC$ IPC Remote IPC > Domain=[NIGHTSCAPE] OS=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6002 Service > Pack 2] Server=[Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium 6.0] > > Server Comment > --------- ------- > > Workgroup Master > --------- ------- > > Here is the command that I use to mount the filesystem: > mount -t smbfs //nightscape/C /nightscape -o > uid=edcoates,gid=edcoates,username=edcoates,rw > I put in the password, and it's mounted as such: > > //nightscape/C on /nightscape type cifs (rw,mand) > > if I do an ls -la, I can see that the filesystem has been mounted with > the files owned by edcoates:edcoates like I want, but I can't make any > changes to the filesystem without getting permission denied. Any > ideas? > From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Tue Dec 22 10:20:34 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:21:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B30F1D2.6070704@momentumweb.com> Just confirming, is there a user called "edcoates" on the Vista box? I believe you'll have to present the user/pass credentials of an actual user on the Vista box to the mount command for it all to work. David On 12/22/2009 10:13 AM, Ed Coates wrote: > I'm having a bit of troubles that I can't seem to figure out. I've > googled and read the man page for smbmout, but when I try and mount a > Windows Vista Share RW to the Linux box, I always get a permission > denied when I try and write a file to it. I've specified the uid/gid > and rw in the mount options, but still get permission denied. Here is > what I get when I perform smbclient -L nightscape from the Linux box: > From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 10:30:35 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:30:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <4B30F1D2.6070704@momentumweb.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> <4B30F1D2.6070704@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0912220830x4c47333bw2ef010b34d20694c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David Salisbury wrote: > Just confirming, is there a user called "edcoates" on the Vista box? ?I > believe you'll have to present the user/pass credentials of an actual user > on the Vista box to the mount command for it all to work. > David David, Yes, there is a user on the Vista box named edcoates. That account is also an administrator on the Vista box. Ed From edcoates at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 10:49:44 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Tue Dec 22 10:49:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0912220849i72df89f8ldebb624c70b467c1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Channing wrote: > The security of newer windows servers and Vista are different. ?Here is one > article on how to downgrade the M$ side to allow for mounting: > http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 > > I should say that it's been some time since I went down this path and I have > not vetted the link above, so if it's not 100% what you need, you may have > to do a little more googling. > > Channing Channing, I looked at the article and it seemed to cover issues with mounting a Linux Samba Share to a Vista machine. I don't any issues there as I can map my Linux home directory and have full access to it on the Vista machine. My problem is going in reverse. I can get the C drive mounted to the Linux server, but get permission denied when trying to write to it. Ed From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Dec 22 12:02:53 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Dec 22 12:03:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> References: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: On Dec 21, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Channing wrote: > I'm in the market for a new "N" router. I was looking at the > Linksys 610, but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are > saying. > Does anyone have any recommendations? Follow up to that, anyone have recommendations for a good 802.11n card, PCI or USB? From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 13:25:55 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Dec 22 13:26:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> References: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912221125l1ccece24k65722432a8ce52d3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Channing wrote: > I'm in the market for a new "N" router. ?I was looking at the Linksys 610, > but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are saying. > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > TIA, > Channing > I haven't looked at consumer wireless in a while, but one thing to look out for is whether it supports dual-band 802.11n. A lot of the Linksys routers that I have seen only do a/n, bg/n, or both but not at the same time. This means you have to pick one band and hope that all your clients support it .. if you have a couple bg clients, all of your a clients suffer the performance hit. Also, running bg/n is more susceptible to interference because of the limited number of channels (11 total, 3 non-overlapping) so you won't see the throughput that you will with a/n or be able to support as many clients at high speed. I do have a Cisco 1252 AP with antennas that I'm willing to let go of for $500 ;) -Henry From hc at lookcee.com Tue Dec 22 13:50:21 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Dec 22 13:50:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0912220849i72df89f8ldebb624c70b467c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> <8ee65edd0912220849i72df89f8ldebb624c70b467c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3122FD.2000000@lookcee.com> Ed Coates wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Channing wrote: > >> The security of newer windows servers and Vista are different. Here is one >> article on how to downgrade the M$ side to allow for mounting: >> http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 >> >> I should say that it's been some time since I went down this path and I have >> not vetted the link above, so if it's not 100% what you need, you may have >> to do a little more googling. >> >> Channing >> > Channing, > > I looked at the article and it seemed to cover issues with mounting a > Linux Samba Share to a Vista machine. I don't any issues there as I > can map my Linux home directory and have full access to it on the > Vista machine. My problem is going in reverse. I can get the C drive > mounted to the Linux server, but get permission denied when trying to > write to it. > > Ed > Hey Ed I haven't got this far yet but getting ready to do so. Dunno if this page will help or not there are couple of Samba links down and to the right. Anyway good luck I am following this since be traveling same path in few days but with XP not Vista hh From hc at lookcee.com Tue Dec 22 13:52:12 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Dec 22 13:52:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <4B3122FD.2000000@lookcee.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> <8ee65edd0912220849i72df89f8ldebb624c70b467c1@mail.gmail.com> <4B3122FD.2000000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4B31236C.9060601@lookcee.com> Woops for got to add the link sorry http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/add-a-user-on-ubuntu-server/ From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Dec 22 17:54:30 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Tue Dec 22 17:54:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Windows ME In-Reply-To: <5D098D8BA97C48E687AE903CC87AA068@Control> References: <4B301196.90101@satx.rr.com> <5D098D8BA97C48E687AE903CC87AA068@Control> Message-ID: <4B315C36.1060408@satx.rr.com> Doug -- I tried to e-mail you direct to arrange a time & place to meet, but it may not have gone through. Contact me off-list when you get a chance. Al Lesmerises Doug wrote: > Yes I have one - > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lesmerises" > > To: "SATLUG Mail Group" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:23 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Windows ME >> Does anyone have a copy of a Windows ME install CD that I can >> borrow? I have an old PC with a valid Windows ME license that I >> would like to do a clean install on, but no CD. >> >> TIA >> >> Al Lesmerises From gregswift at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 22:21:29 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Tue Dec 22 22:21:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Wireless "N" Router Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> References: <4B3050A2.9090401@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70912222021j691b3431gff255ec23ad2ab20@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 22:52, Channing wrote: > I'm in the market for a new "N" router. I was looking at the Linksys 610, > but it doesn't look stable based on what folks are saying. > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > I've no specific recommendation, just my history for you. well.. I just disconnected my Netgear WNR834M (one of their early draft-N) router. I had to get it replaced less than 2 months in (2years ago now), and for the last 6+ months its been horrible. I was having to power cycle it atleast once a day. It is on the latest firmware, but they seemed to stop taking care of those router a long time ago, and because of the chipset no-one seems to want to do the work to make DD-WRT work on it (the code/spec is out, but from what i've read about it is horrible). If anyone wants it to play with they can have it, maybe you'll have the motivation to get DD-WRT ported and the firmware will be the problem not the hardware. This last weekend I began the search for a new router anew, spurred on by fairly recent news of the Netgear WNR3500L, which was supposed to natively run DD-WRT. Reviews seemed disappointed it was based on WNR3500 not WNR3700 among other things, and I was just feeling burnt out based on my horrid WNR834M. As such I began reviewing linksys and dlink, because any time i've recommended one to other people they seem to work without a hitch. My primary requirement was stability then speed, but with an idealistic goal of having one I could move to DD-WRT if all else failed and the upstream firmware just bit (or stopped getting updated like the WNR834M). Initially, i was thinking about the Linksys WRT610N, but ended up with the Linksys WRT320N because the primary usable difference that I could see was the USB port, and I wasn't going to use that. And the price difference was significant enough that I could also get the 2yr warranty from the store if I end up w/ another dud (I tend to attract hardware that likes to fail). So far so good with the WRT320N. There is only 1 "version" out, and its supported by DD-WRT, but I likely won't cross that road for a while.. maybe if I ever get around to running ethernet and its wireless stops being something my wife relies on too :) As far as wireless adapters, I'm using a D-Link DWA-552 and am using it in Fedora 12. Occasionally when rebooting the WNR824M I would end up reloading the driver to get a good connection again, but once again so far so good now that the Linksys is in place. Daniel Givens asked about checking the through put, and I don't have an answer, my bitrate shows 1MB/s but I decidedly get better than that. good luck. -greg From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Dec 23 06:36:04 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Dec 23 06:36:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mounting Windows Share Read/Write In-Reply-To: <4B3122FD.2000000@lookcee.com> References: <8ee65edd0912220813y5a6baa77t488c655023bd993e@mail.gmail.com> <4B30F18C.3030908@channingc.com> <8ee65edd0912220849i72df89f8ldebb624c70b467c1@mail.gmail.com> <4B3122FD.2000000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4B320EB4.3060105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Herb Cee wrote: Ed and I have been down that path with Linux and XP and that's not an issue. There does seem to be some differences in how smb is handled now in openSuSE 11.2 and how the old smb stuff worked. Here's an example: (all done as root) linux:~ # mount /dev/sdb2 on / type ext4 (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/sdb3 on /home type ext4 (rw,acl,user_xattr) fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/geoff/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=geoff) linux:~ # mkdir /geoff linux:~ # mount //geoff/C /geoff Password: retrying with upper case share name mount error(6): No such device or address Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) linux:~ # ping geoff PING geoff.gateway.2wire.net (192.168.1.67) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from geoff (192.168.1.67): icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.181 ms 64 bytes from geoff (192.168.1.67): icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.198 ms ^C --- geoff.gateway.2wire.net ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.176/0.184/0.198/0.018 ms linux:~ # mount //192.168.1.67/C /geoff Password: retrying with upper case share name mount error(6): No such device or address Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) linux:~ # smbmount -L geoff If 'smbmount' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf smbmount linux:~ # smb smbcacls smbcontrol smbd smbget smbprngenpdf smbstatus smbtree smbclient smbcquotas smbfilter smbpasswd smbspool smbtar linux:~ # smbstatus -L geoff No locked files linux:~ # smbclient -L 192.168.1.67 Enter root's password: (here, I specified the password for the user active on the Winders box, which is also has administrator privledges) Domain=[GEOFF] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- IPC$ IPC Remote IPC D$ Disk Default share print$ Disk Printer Drivers SharedDocs Disk movies Disk mp3 Disk F$ Disk Default share jam-sessions Disk Printer2 Printer Fax Lexmark 5300 Series ADMIN$ Disk Remote Admin C$ Disk Default share session request to 192.168.1.67 failed (Called name not present) session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) Domain=[GEOFF] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- linux:~ # mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.67/mp3 /geoff mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' linux:~ # mount //192.168.1.67/mp3 /geoff Password: linux:~ # cd /geoff linux:/geoff # l total 1496076 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Oct 31 12:56 ./ drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Dec 23 06:21 ../ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 33333124 Jul 4 18:28 08 - In The Cluster Blues.mp3* (and more, but SUCESS, nonetheless) I even went into a subdir, made a temp folder, cp'ed a bunch of files and then went back to the winders box and verified it was done. Pretty simple with Linux and Winders XP. I did it as root, and didn't need to be 'the user specified' on the windows machine... just the password for the active user on that box (which has admin privs). > > Hey Ed I haven't got this far yet but getting ready to do so. Dunno if > this page will help or not there are couple of Samba links down and to > the right. > Anyway good luck I am following this since be traveling same path in > few days but with XP not Vista hope that helps you (and anyone else), Herb. -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Dec 24 06:30:21 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Dec 24 06:30:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Deleting files Message-ID: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> First off, Merry Christmas, everyone. Safe holiday travels, if you intend to do so. 2nd, I'm a Ham Radio operator. I've recently gotten active in APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) via ham radio. Xastir (as far as I can tell) is the only Native Linux APRS client/tracking software package available. I found a whole BUNCH of maps, but after lots of research and conversation with other hams, I'm finding that there are -many- files that are simply redundant and more than that, they're not necessary. The directory structure of the maps is broken down by states, and counties for each state. all directories contain .shp files (shape). linux:/usr/share/xastir/maps/TIGER2008/48_TEXAS # ls *.shp tl_2008_48_bg00.shp tl_2008_48_cousub.shp tl_2008_48_placeec.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock.shp tl_2008_48_cd108.shp tl_2008_48_cousub00.shp tl_2008_48_puma100.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock00.shp tl_2008_48_cd110.shp tl_2008_48_elsd.shp tl_2008_48_puma500.shp tl_2008_48_tract00.shp tl_2008_48_county.shp tl_2008_48_elsd00.shp tl_2008_48_scsd.shp tl_2008_48_unsd.shp tl_2008_48_county00.shp tl_2008_48_place.shp tl_2008_48_sldl.shp tl_2008_48_unsd00.shp tl_2008_48_countyec.shp tl_2008_48_place00.shp tl_2008_48_sldu.shp All I need are pointlm tabblock00 and vtd00 The question is: How do I go to the root of the maps dir, and tell it rm -r *.shp except pointlm, tabblock00, vid00 is it that easy? rm --help wasn't that helpful. Man rm didn't answer my questions, either. Thanks! -Geoff -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jehaywood at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 06:47:02 2009 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Thu Dec 24 06:47:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Deleting files In-Reply-To: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: use some incantation of 'find' with some regular expressions start with this and play with it: find / -type f -exec echo {} \; or you can ls -alR the directory, redirect to a file or a grep, grep for the file types you want to delete then pass it in a pipe to rm. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Geoff wrote: > First off, Merry Christmas, everyone. Safe holiday travels, if you > intend to do so. > > 2nd, I'm a Ham Radio operator. I've recently gotten active in APRS > (Automatic Position Reporting System) via ham radio. > > Xastir (as far as I can tell) is the only Native Linux APRS > client/tracking software package available. > > I found a whole BUNCH of maps, but after lots of research and > conversation with other hams, I'm finding that there are -many- files > that are simply redundant and more than that, they're not necessary. > > The directory structure of the maps is broken down by states, and > counties for each state. > > all directories contain .shp files (shape). > > linux:/usr/share/xastir/maps/TIGER2008/48_TEXAS # ls *.shp > tl_2008_48_bg00.shp tl_2008_48_cousub.shp > tl_2008_48_placeec.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock.shp > tl_2008_48_cd108.shp tl_2008_48_cousub00.shp > tl_2008_48_puma100.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock00.shp > tl_2008_48_cd110.shp tl_2008_48_elsd.shp > tl_2008_48_puma500.shp tl_2008_48_tract00.shp > tl_2008_48_county.shp tl_2008_48_elsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_scsd.shp tl_2008_48_unsd.shp > tl_2008_48_county00.shp tl_2008_48_place.shp > tl_2008_48_sldl.shp tl_2008_48_unsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_countyec.shp tl_2008_48_place00.shp tl_2008_48_sldu.shp > > All I need are > pointlm > tabblock00 > and > vtd00 > > The question is: > How do I go to the root of the maps dir, and tell it > rm -r *.shp except pointlm, tabblock00, vid00 > > is it that easy? rm --help wasn't that helpful. > Man rm didn't answer my questions, either. > > Thanks! > -Geoff > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From jehaywood at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 06:51:58 2009 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Thu Dec 24 06:52:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Deleting files In-Reply-To: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: BTW - you know those are all census TIGER files, and the .shp is vector file for ArcGIS or what used to be ArcInfo.. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Geoff wrote: > First off, Merry Christmas, everyone. Safe holiday travels, if you > intend to do so. > > 2nd, I'm a Ham Radio operator. I've recently gotten active in APRS > (Automatic Position Reporting System) via ham radio. > > Xastir (as far as I can tell) is the only Native Linux APRS > client/tracking software package available. > > I found a whole BUNCH of maps, but after lots of research and > conversation with other hams, I'm finding that there are -many- files > that are simply redundant and more than that, they're not necessary. > > The directory structure of the maps is broken down by states, and > counties for each state. > > all directories contain .shp files (shape). > > linux:/usr/share/xastir/maps/TIGER2008/48_TEXAS # ls *.shp > tl_2008_48_bg00.shp tl_2008_48_cousub.shp > tl_2008_48_placeec.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock.shp > tl_2008_48_cd108.shp tl_2008_48_cousub00.shp > tl_2008_48_puma100.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock00.shp > tl_2008_48_cd110.shp tl_2008_48_elsd.shp > tl_2008_48_puma500.shp tl_2008_48_tract00.shp > tl_2008_48_county.shp tl_2008_48_elsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_scsd.shp tl_2008_48_unsd.shp > tl_2008_48_county00.shp tl_2008_48_place.shp > tl_2008_48_sldl.shp tl_2008_48_unsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_countyec.shp tl_2008_48_place00.shp tl_2008_48_sldu.shp > > All I need are > pointlm > tabblock00 > and > vtd00 > > The question is: > How do I go to the root of the maps dir, and tell it > rm -r *.shp except pointlm, tabblock00, vid00 > > is it that easy? rm --help wasn't that helpful. > Man rm didn't answer my questions, either. > > Thanks! > -Geoff > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Dec 24 07:24:21 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Dec 24 07:24:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Deleting files In-Reply-To: References: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B336B85.8040409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jennie Haywood wrote: > BTW - you know those are all census TIGER files, and the .shp is vector file > for ArcGIS or what used to be ArcInfo.. > I know all of those are tiger files, and .shp is the shape/vector file. but, I was told; choose all the shp files for the countries of interest except for pointlm tabblock00 vtd00 I took that to mean I could delete all -but- those files. In retrospect it appears as if I should select all the files -but- those three (for each county) ~sigh~ Now that I have a little experience, I think I'll rm xastir and start all over, from scratch. thanks, Jen and Merry Christmas! -geoff (in the meantime, http://aprs.fi/w5omr-14) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jbharrell at fusemeister.com Thu Dec 24 06:42:17 2009 From: jbharrell at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Thu Dec 24 12:09:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Deleting files In-Reply-To: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4B335EDD.1030408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4B3361A9.6000305@fusemeister.com> Try something like: cd {root of the maps dir} find . -type f -name "*shp" -print | grep -v pointlm | grep -v tabblock00 | grep -v vid00 | xargs rm -f That should do it. Maybe make a practice directory to experiment on. The 'rm' command is very unforgiving. Merry Christmas and safe, Happy Holidays to you and everyone. Brinkley. Geoff wrote: > First off, Merry Christmas, everyone. Safe holiday travels, if you > intend to do so. > > 2nd, I'm a Ham Radio operator. I've recently gotten active in APRS > (Automatic Position Reporting System) via ham radio. > > Xastir (as far as I can tell) is the only Native Linux APRS > client/tracking software package available. > > I found a whole BUNCH of maps, but after lots of research and > conversation with other hams, I'm finding that there are -many- files > that are simply redundant and more than that, they're not necessary. > > The directory structure of the maps is broken down by states, and > counties for each state. > > all directories contain .shp files (shape). > > linux:/usr/share/xastir/maps/TIGER2008/48_TEXAS # ls *.shp > tl_2008_48_bg00.shp tl_2008_48_cousub.shp > tl_2008_48_placeec.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock.shp > tl_2008_48_cd108.shp tl_2008_48_cousub00.shp > tl_2008_48_puma100.shp tl_2008_48_tabblock00.shp > tl_2008_48_cd110.shp tl_2008_48_elsd.shp > tl_2008_48_puma500.shp tl_2008_48_tract00.shp > tl_2008_48_county.shp tl_2008_48_elsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_scsd.shp tl_2008_48_unsd.shp > tl_2008_48_county00.shp tl_2008_48_place.shp > tl_2008_48_sldl.shp tl_2008_48_unsd00.shp > tl_2008_48_countyec.shp tl_2008_48_place00.shp tl_2008_48_sldu.shp > > All I need are > pointlm > tabblock00 > and > vtd00 > > The question is: > How do I go to the root of the maps dir, and tell it > rm -r *.shp except pointlm, tabblock00, vid00 > > is it that easy? rm --help wasn't that helpful. > Man rm didn't answer my questions, either. > > Thanks! > -Geoff > > > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From dondavis at reglue.org Fri Dec 25 20:30:23 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Fri Dec 25 20:30:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? Message-ID: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> When I scan my laptop from outside I see: 135/tcp filtered msrpc 136/tcp filtered profile 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no success: iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. Thoughts? From daniel at rugmonster.org Fri Dec 25 21:30:53 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Fri Dec 25 21:30:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> Message-ID: That's your ISP filtering Netbios and SMB. There have been a number of worms and botnets that targetted vulnerabilities in those services on Windows boxes. They are blocking inbound connections to those ports to protect their network. -- Daniel J. Givens On Dec 25, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Don Davis wrote: > When I scan my laptop from outside I see: > 135/tcp filtered msrpc > 136/tcp filtered profile > 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns > 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm > 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn > 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds > > However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. > I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no > success: > iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT > iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT > > On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. > Thoughts? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 23:18:18 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Dec 25 23:18:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> Message-ID: I would use DROP instead of REJECT. This way your firewall gives no response, it just appears as a time out. Also pay attention to the protocol you are DROPping/REJECTing...TCP vs UDP. On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > That's your ISP filtering Netbios and SMB. There have been a number of > worms and botnets that targetted vulnerabilities in those services on > Windows boxes. They are blocking inbound connections to those ports to > protect their network. > > -- > Daniel J. Givens > > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Don Davis wrote: > > When I scan my laptop from outside I see: >> 135/tcp filtered msrpc >> 136/tcp filtered profile >> 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns >> 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm >> 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn >> 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds >> >> However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. >> I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no success: >> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT >> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT >> >> On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. Thoughts? >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 23:22:17 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Fri Dec 25 23:22:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912252122r1cb3a2f7xa0f61a76b4896c9b@mail.gmail.com> filtered != open. As someone else mentioned, this is the result of a REJECT vs a DROP. ISPs filter these ports to prevent the spread of viruses and worms through customers who don't patch their machines or have open file shares. -Henry On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Don Davis wrote: > When I scan my laptop from outside I see: > 135/tcp filtered msrpc > 136/tcp filtered profile > 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns > 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm > 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn > 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds > > However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. > I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no success: > iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT > iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT > > On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. Thoughts? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Dec 26 00:14:22 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Dec 26 00:14:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> Message-ID: <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> Since the filtering is at the ISP level, it doesn't matter what rules he sets up on his system as the packets never get to his firewall. -- Daniel J. Givens On Dec 25, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I would use DROP instead of REJECT. This way your firewall gives no > response, it just appears as a time out. Also pay attention to the > protocol > you are DROPping/REJECTing...TCP vs UDP. > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Daniel J. Givens >wrote: > >> That's your ISP filtering Netbios and SMB. There have been a number >> of >> worms and botnets that targetted vulnerabilities in those services on >> Windows boxes. They are blocking inbound connections to those ports >> to >> protect their network. >> >> -- >> Daniel J. Givens >> >> >> On Dec 25, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Don Davis wrote: >> >> When I scan my laptop from outside I see: >>> 135/tcp filtered msrpc >>> 136/tcp filtered profile >>> 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns >>> 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm >>> 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn >>> 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds >>> >>> However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. >>> I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no >>> success: >>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT >>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT >>> >>> On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. >>> Thoughts? >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/ >>> unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 00:31:29 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Dec 26 00:31:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: Ah, so I didn't pay good attention to the first post from Don so I missed that he has a router with OpenWRT. With that caveat, remember that it doesn't matter what you have set on the laptop firewall, if you are using an external scanner such as ShieldsUp from GRC, it will report back what the router is REJECTing or DROPping. Also, most ISPs do not block ports other than 25 [and maybe 80 inbound (to block web servers.)] If they did block these ports Don is talking about, I doubt they would REJECT the packets. They would most likely DROP the packets (see below.) In general, you want to be as stealthy as possible when connected to the internet. This is why you DROP packets instead of REJECTing them. By REJECTing them, you give a response and thus prove that there is a machine at that particular IP. ISPs know this very well and if they filter ports at all, they usually DROP packets so as to avoid a possible DoS/DDoS against a particular subscriber IP. I'm willing to bet that Don is trying to figure out why those port numbers are giving off responses at all rather than silently DROPping packets. E On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Daniel J. Givens wrote: > Since the filtering is at the ISP level, it doesn't matter what rules he > sets up on his system as the packets never get to his firewall. > > -- > Daniel J. Givens > > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > I would use DROP instead of REJECT. This way your firewall gives no >> response, it just appears as a time out. Also pay attention to the >> protocol >> you are DROPping/REJECTing...TCP vs UDP. >> >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Daniel J. Givens > >wrote: >> >> That's your ISP filtering Netbios and SMB. There have been a number of >>> worms and botnets that targetted vulnerabilities in those services on >>> Windows boxes. They are blocking inbound connections to those ports to >>> protect their network. >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel J. Givens >>> >>> >>> On Dec 25, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Don Davis wrote: >>> >>> When I scan my laptop from outside I see: >>> >>>> 135/tcp filtered msrpc >>>> 136/tcp filtered profile >>>> 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns >>>> 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm >>>> 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn >>>> 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds >>>> >>>> However, netstat -patu does not show these ports listening. >>>> I have also tried various variations on iptables rules with no success: >>>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 445 -j REJECT >>>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 445 -j REJECT >>>> >>>> On the laptop and on the router with OpenWRT with no success. Thoughts? >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Dec 26 09:25:40 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Dec 26 09:25:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> There are two hops above me:'foo' and an inconclusive * * * *. Scanning 'foo' shows a few filtered ports, but none of the ports in question. Is it acceptable to scan my subnet neighbors from the ISP to check? Any thoughts on a free or close to free shell account that offers IPv6? Or are there recommendations on how to set up an IPv6 tunnel using a shell account? (I'd like to check the IPv6 from the outside as well, but my exterior shell account doesn't have IPv6.) It is a good point - why did the ISP decide on REJECT instead of DROP? Ernest De Leon wrote: > Ah, so I didn't pay good attention to the first post from Don so I missed > that he has a router with OpenWRT. With that caveat, remember that it > doesn't matter what you have set on the laptop firewall, if you are using an > external scanner such as ShieldsUp from GRC, it will report back what the > router is REJECTing or DROPping. > > Also, most ISPs do not block ports other than 25 [and maybe 80 inbound (to > block web servers.)] If they did block these ports Don is talking about, I > doubt they would REJECT the packets. They would most likely DROP the packets > (see below.) > > In general, you want to be as stealthy as possible when connected to the > internet. This is why you DROP packets instead of REJECTing them. By > REJECTing them, you give a response and thus prove that there is a machine > at that particular IP. ISPs know this very well and if they filter ports at > all, they usually DROP packets so as to avoid a possible DoS/DDoS against a > particular subscriber IP. > > I'm willing to bet that Don is trying to figure out why those port numbers > are giving off responses at all rather than silently DROPping packets. > > E > From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:32:15 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:32:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux Message-ID: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system was back and the clerk logged it. Pretty cool! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:37:48 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:37:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10912260937l4684e9e1k6e7c7aeb13606a06@mail.gmail.com> HEB started using UNIX back in the lat 80's with System V, then migrated through other releases of different *NIX systems. From the start all the POS units were to be *NIX based. Before they put those systems up they were using various UNIX based systems for their inventory control in the warehouses. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:42:42 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:43:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912260942l2c3e423rc99cde29d634b5bb@mail.gmail.com> beyond cool :o)..my healthcare worker was there during this same time at our schertz store when it went down. it also went down on the past Tues. Was it a power failure or putter system failure? c On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:43:33 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:43:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10912260937l4684e9e1k6e7c7aeb13606a06@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <294cd3d10912260937l4684e9e1k6e7c7aeb13606a06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0912260943l7cf19257n6d0742fc4c6aaeaf@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM, country wrote: > HEB started using UNIX back in the lat 80's with System V, then migrated > through other releases of different *NIX systems. ? From the start all the > POS units were to be *NIX based. ? Before they put those systems up they > were using various UNIX based systems for their inventory control in the > warehouses. That's good to know, thanks! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:44:24 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:44:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912260944k73faa346u8146d5a80cb8ce57@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Don Davis wrote: > > There are two hops above me:'foo' and an inconclusive * * * *. > Scanning 'foo' shows a few filtered ports, but none of the ports in > question. > Is it acceptable to scan my subnet neighbors from the ISP to check? I'm not sure what you would hope to learn from doing this, but I always recommend against scanning systems that do not belong to you or you do not control. "foo" is probably your own router (what's the IP?) There are normally vague terms in the AUP that allow an ISP to cancel your account for general mischief (should someone complain or notice). All you'll find is everyone else is running a linksys/belkin/dlink/netgear router with a bunch of filtered and closed ports ;) > Any thoughts on a free or close to free shell account that offers IPv6? Or > are there recommendations on how to set up an IPv6 tunnel using a shell > account? (I'd like to check the IPv6 from the outside as well, but my > exterior shell account doesn't have IPv6.) Why scan IPv6 if there is no way to access your system with IPv6 without setting up a specialized tunnel? If you're setting up a tunnel then you should definitely know what is going over the tunnel, thus making scanning pointless. > It is a good point - why did the ISP decide on REJECT instead of DROP? If you DROP packets, the sender does not know their packets are not getting through and will keep sending more packets which results in added network traffic. The REJECT sends an ICMP unreachable or TCP reset which tells the sender "nothing here, move along". Yeah, it sounds cool to appear stealthy but if you're an ISP with tens of thousands of subscribers, 3x more traffic from port scans can crush your network. The ARP traffic alone on a cable node from constant port scans is enough to kill some low-end consumer routers. Connect your PC directly to your cable modem and do a tcpdump for ARP traffic at 3am and you'll see what I mean. The only time I use DROPs on my system is during a DoS attack, because it makes the attacker think that the system is offline, giving the appearance of a successful attack :) -Henry > > > Ernest De Leon wrote: >> >> Ah, so I didn't pay good attention to the first post from Don so I missed >> that he has a router with OpenWRT. With that caveat, remember that it >> doesn't matter what you have set on the laptop firewall, if you are using >> an >> external scanner such as ShieldsUp from GRC, it will report back what the >> router is REJECTing or DROPping. >> >> Also, most ISPs do not block ports other than 25 [and maybe 80 inbound (to >> block web servers.)] If they did block these ports Don is talking about, I >> doubt they would REJECT the packets. They would most likely DROP the >> packets >> (see below.) >> >> In general, you want to be as stealthy as possible when connected to the >> internet. This is why you DROP packets instead of REJECTing them. By >> REJECTing them, you give a response and thus prove that there is a machine >> at that particular IP. ISPs know this very well and if they filter ports >> at >> all, they usually DROP packets so as to avoid a possible DoS/DDoS against >> a >> particular subscriber IP. >> >> I'm willing to bet that Don is trying to figure out why those port numbers >> are giving off responses at all rather than silently DROPping packets. >> >> E >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:46:36 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Dec 26 11:46:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912260946q150bb415l8dc59c94628cb550@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. -Henry From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Dec 26 12:08:17 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Dec 26 12:08:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912260944k73faa346u8146d5a80cb8ce57@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912260944k73faa346u8146d5a80cb8ce57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B365111.3000609@reglue.org> >> Is it acceptable to scan my subnet neighbors from the ISP to check? > > I'm not sure what you would hope to learn from doing this, but I > always recommend against scanning systems that do not belong To see if the isp was indeed blocking the ports in question. I would certainly not try to exploit any other systems or test their security. Given the amount of scanning and hostile probing going on, it would most likely go unnoticed. It was more a question of etiquette and mor?s. Running a webserver (or leaving typical ports open) you can see lots of annoying stuff going on. It's most upsetting when a seemingly 'reputable' web page design company runs lots of arbitrary 'GET' commands against your Apache. > Why scan IPv6 if there is no way to access your system with IPv6 > without setting up a specialized tunnel? If you're setting up a > tunnel then you should definitely know what is going over the tunnel, > thus making scanning pointless. I do have an IPv6 Tunnel. I'd just like to look at it from outside. > The only time I use DROPs on my system is during a DoS attack, because > it makes the attacker think that the system is offline, giving the > appearance of a successful attack :) What about TARPIT? What do you think of changing the SSH banner after moving SSH to listen on a non-standard port? From jeremymann at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 12:10:17 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sat Dec 26 12:10:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912260942l2c3e423rc99cde29d634b5bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70912260942l2c3e423rc99cde29d634b5bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0912261010r53b8dff9rad80959e7374c2e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > beyond cool :o)..my healthcare worker was there during this same time at our > schertz store when it went down. ?it also went down on the past Tues. > > Was it a power failure or putter system failure? c It was a power outage. Remember we had like 40-50mph wind gusts so a power line probably went down in that area. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 12:17:52 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Dec 26 12:17:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <4B365111.3000609@reglue.org> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912260944k73faa346u8146d5a80cb8ce57@mail.gmail.com> <4B365111.3000609@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912261017r451c4965w29fd94dab28732de@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Don Davis wrote: >> The only time I use DROPs on my system is during a DoS attack, because >> it makes the attacker think that the system is offline, giving the >> appearance of a successful attack :) > > What about TARPIT? > > What do you think of changing the SSH banner after moving SSH to listen on a > non-standard port? > Tarpits are useful when you have a service that you can't hide (like SMTP) and you want to slow down malicious users and still allow legitimate users to connect. If you can spot an attack signature and make the connection hang, it keeps the attacker online longer and slows down their retry rate. I never saw the need to change an SSH banner except when working for federal or state agencies, or hospitals that require some kind of security warning. I don't think it changes the method or degree of prosecution if someone breaks into a private system, regardless of banner. It's kind of like putting a sign on a locked door "Don't break in here", because it's fairly obvious that you're not supposed to break in .. -Henry From dondavis at reglue.org Sat Dec 26 13:32:41 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sat Dec 26 13:32:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Why are my ports 135,139,and 445 open? In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912261017r451c4965w29fd94dab28732de@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B35753F.20104@reglue.org> <49BC9AC7-1C75-4F4B-9BD8-C0E3CEB9A906@rugmonster.org> <4B362AF4.20500@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912260944k73faa346u8146d5a80cb8ce57@mail.gmail.com> <4B365111.3000609@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912261017r451c4965w29fd94dab28732de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3664D9.4000801@reglue.org> > > I never saw the need to change an SSH banner except when working for > federal or state agencies, or hospitals that require some kind of > security warning. I don't think it changes the method or degree of > prosecution if someone breaks into a private system, regardless of > banner. It's kind of like putting a sign on a locked door "Don't > break in here", because it's fairly obvious that you're not supposed > to break in .. > I was thinking more along the lines of recompiling with a version number so that it wasn't as obvious that I'm running Debian Version Foo of Openssh. From mguhlin at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 15:36:11 2009 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Sat Dec 26 15:36:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <680452b50912261336p2bcdbd8maec3a2b246836a0e@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.12 (Darwin) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) hQEMA9L/jz+0vOETAQgAkXSNRcpULFi6qwUzuyJwiNGS1EurawulaDetHSG88Ohb D1/epf9FFEC9x2iMXnYYuO/n/MDFZrdcExBZUnLfOvt38i7vmWs3ggPFauYpMRJL LrI9GUxvjEyO+J/7u4VedF6A7Sp4M6YtiTTOzaVo3ugq93DITkRFHwh9V7X0QRDS 5ZXYmIb558+c967Wd6QGjcPEEPakR6fqMdaSr8/NUs80StotGBNkvd9RzfWKzlHJ 2QhCH1jVtH86DjEjCPTeQjddiSlNw7NMjNma8UjEqQ+ELzttGEN765NQO8AzrKiG TY0qYqWiJ2fTyVukw8oDKFQR/LZ2QghZhWtUM9pEw9LpAe78j6zQtaJiz24r56IX w76v/tFaSj4EkDsNJZvPTc1yDCFZmDI431AdB4z89KCKWfdlsBMTpESUSaPFxNYO iG2Wt3z87NI7gSZjNA7pudLHg9TNL2mUcuUTJjAFkobbhB+tRllyp/EiPM1o0tJ4 TTC/rWVA04uAwVTDJqdeuvzBit0KDLK/GgHBmpfEhPmbCTdhYiItYbkLY5GYQXOB +3jPqiKlXeD3f5gdpcPY1w79ItC0HM34eDPRg6/fFgp8ujSQ1yruLHVZBme61Fjo 0P9ULcKDO+JilkZMJLlU6ExumZqIELkieVefiZkQeZK7JHdwOfv0l20r5BRw4wH5 bLAdqNgmq0dxgj8pZAzfPbi87J3ZXZg8qN2ngu40O8usEBL0Dc4hrk//o0u/actF HwWD+j2A1daXEQsmU5uqNwSAkZQ4rwtGClBli8YY8hsKRAs/aozyOxz4ZzH80Bwx TxA5msuSj+3Nh/isfLMCbMw8wISnsc5QM540EkCWfEwzcupg5EwFnVbAXa1rP6rP Ez0DeRW7FEUVFcGH5PrZSswC+GsPrLklQ/6mFlB3oui2k4xtnwVKxXxbmQ8sCXBo MEatZBZPNnE18eRovW8OVmQ5YomymLnUomYB7hiYNVyDXX25c8zfkpruJEL3OuSH WsymPuwzc5asjfqSVyUJxVzAaHlISejCXrl80MawC15KDRM9OSlyrIeh9zIcDO3s VCrv6KQMN48O+H31qFDF2s6ZrESCkD0U2r0skF4Gg3KMIB4fHJOLit/kvr3dZxl/ gt/kZ4Nnz2uSYM0XztktnqDxtnAXChNhNZNMx6STVpLeqTqW8HxTwElGLbREcz/p KhQzCNcosAu7GKkkmcVixf/v7tOGiMg1cu5PVT9sT0unmtC2qMzZXu4kb8qWOda2 cqk9PiguPuyS6xKGPgmrw1XPBGQ/Ysa7feLMb+uBe2iFC3vlKIuh/9hkPP6DytmN PPxIN7wcv86KiiJbzJJFnCYZ1AHIEUb4OH5Q6j064ffNEP02BJ6jt3NI6/1sD4I7 r2VQhIV0CKHw81ioHRsJzXUUCTtg1RHRs7dT =Qlw+ -----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mguhlin at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 15:37:49 2009 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Sat Dec 26 15:38:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> Apologies for that last one...FireGPG went nuts. The unencrypted message was that RedHatLinux is rumored to run on HEB checkout machines. Too bad local schools don't follow suit, using GNU/Linux on the desktop to lower costs. Anyone supporting local GNU/Linux installs in schools in San Antonio? Thanks, Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 16:07:20 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Dec 26 16:07:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912261405u52272628sd326b9eff3d1be06@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0912261405u52272628sd326b9eff3d1be06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912261407w4654694bm50d1157d22535a14@mail.gmail.com> Some of the schools I work with in tgr DFW area are looking at Linux for student and teacher machines, as well as infrastructure servers. The smart board companies even have Linux drivers. I helped one district set them up on Ubuntu, pretty cool stuff. -Henry On Dec 26, 2009 4:59 PM, "Miguel Guhlin" wrote: Apologies for that last one...FireGPG went nuts. The unencrypted message was that RedHatLinux is rumored to run on HEB checkout machines. Too bad local schools don't follow suit, using GNU/Linux on the desktop to lower costs. Anyone supporting local GNU/Linux installs in schools in San Antonio? Thanks, Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the c... From astro at astr0.org Sat Dec 26 20:43:52 2009 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian Lewis) Date: Sat Dec 26 20:43:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912260946q150bb415l8dc59c94628cb550@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0912260946q150bb415l8dc59c94628cb550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. -b On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: >> Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power >> outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I >> immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell >> computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as >> well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was >> though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system >> was back and the clerk logged it. >> >> Pretty cool! > > Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC > repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP > on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the > day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system > clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. > > -Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 26 21:04:17 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sat Dec 26 21:04:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux Message-ID: <590115.14217.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That must be when it acquired the term POS. Mike Sellers On Dec 26, 2009, at 20:43, Brian Lewis wrote: That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. -b On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system was back and the clerk logged it. Pretty cool! Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. -Henry -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hc at lookcee.com Sat Dec 26 22:12:15 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sat Dec 26 22:12:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <590115.14217.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <590115.14217.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B36DE9F.6010701@lookcee.com> /History/ of Cash Registers and Retail /Point of Sale/ Systems The /history/ of retail /point of sale/ systems began in an 1870s Dayton, OH saloon. In 1879, the Ritty brothers patented their invention as Ritty's *... http://www.retailsystems.com/history-of-retail-pos-systems.cfm I think BOA was first to use POS in mainframe IBM 705 late 1950s hh * Michael Sellers wrote: > That must be when it acquired the term POS. > > Mike Sellers > > On Dec 26, 2009, at 20:43, Brian Lewis wrote: > > That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. > > -b > > On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC > repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP > on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the > day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system > clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. > > -Henry > From pixelnate at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 22:35:28 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Sat Dec 26 22:35:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B36E410.3030406@gmail.com> On 12/26/09 3:37 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: > The unencrypted message was that RedHatLinux is rumored to run on HEB > checkout machines. Too bad local schools don't follow suit, using GNU/Linux > on the desktop to lower costs. > > Anyone supporting local GNU/Linux installs in schools in San Antonio? > NEISD uses at least part of the Novell Open Workgroup Suite. My wife had mentioned some of the problems caused by switching to ZENworks. They still use winders for their [cheap-arse HP] 'workstations' though. ~Nate From Channing.ML at channingc.com Sat Dec 26 22:37:07 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Sat Dec 26 22:37:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <590115.14217.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <590115.14217.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B36E473.7060509@channingc.com> Michael Sellers wrote: > That must be when it acquired the term POS. > > Mike Sellers > > On Dec 26, 2009, at 20:43, Brian Lewis wrote: > > That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. > > Let's just say I have a little insight into the history of POS at HEB... In the very early 90's HEB looked at a revolutionary POS that ran on open systems. Prior to that, it was the traditional closed solutions by the typical POS vendors. That solution was Win 3.11+Dr DOS on the clients and UnixWare on the back-end. Fast forward 10 years and they are RH on the clients and servers. That fast boot was some custom code + the standard PXE...yup - it was/is very fast :) Channing From dondavis at reglue.org Sun Dec 27 07:59:58 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sun Dec 27 08:00:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux - Judson ISD In-Reply-To: <4B36E410.3030406@gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> <4B36E410.3030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B37685E.7000108@reglue.org> Nate wrote: > On 12/26/09 3:37 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: >> The unencrypted message was that RedHatLinux is rumored to run on HEB >> checkout machines. Too bad local schools don't follow suit, using >> GNU/Linux >> on the desktop to lower costs. >> >> Anyone supporting local GNU/Linux installs in schools in San Antonio? >> I was trying to remember a school in San Antonio that was using diskless workstations as part of a 'green' initiative. The school district is Judson ISD as part of their green initiative: http://www.judsonisd.org/district/technology/JudsonISDGreenComputingInitiative.cfm I contacted them to discuss their experiences and received no reply. If anyone does contact them or has contact to someone from Judson ISD, I would like to speak with them. I will be presenting a talk at TCEA on how LTSP can save schools money. I would like a few more first hand accounts running thin clients. From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 27 08:12:32 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sun Dec 27 08:12:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux Message-ID: <447965.79641.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was making a funny. POS also stands for 'piece of sh--' Mike Sellers On Dec 26, 2009, at 22:12, Herb Cee wrote: /History/ of Cash Registers and Retail /Point of Sale/ Systems The /history/ of retail /point of sale/ systems began in an 1870s Dayton, OH saloon. In 1879, the Ritty brothers patented their invention as Ritty's *... http://www.retailsystems.com/history-of-retail-pos-systems.cfm I think BOA was first to use POS in mainframe IBM 705 late 1950s hh * Michael Sellers wrote: That must be when it acquired the term POS. Mike Sellers On Dec 26, 2009, at 20:43, Brian Lewis wrote: That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. -b On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system was back and the clerk logged it. Pretty cool! Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. -Henry -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 27 08:12:32 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael Sellers) Date: Sun Dec 27 08:12:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux Message-ID: <447965.79641.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was making a funny. POS also stands for 'piece of sh--' Mike Sellers On Dec 26, 2009, at 22:12, Herb Cee wrote: /History/ of Cash Registers and Retail /Point of Sale/ Systems The /history/ of retail /point of sale/ systems began in an 1870s Dayton, OH saloon. In 1879, the Ritty brothers patented their invention as Ritty's *... http://www.retailsystems.com/history-of-retail-pos-systems.cfm I think BOA was first to use POS in mainframe IBM 705 late 1950s hh * Michael Sellers wrote: That must be when it acquired the term POS. Mike Sellers On Dec 26, 2009, at 20:43, Brian Lewis wrote: That's interesting.. When I worked at HEB back in ~2000 (at the Oak Park HEB AKA GucciB - Gotta love the 09ers ;) all of our POS were running Windows NT.. I remember specifically because one of the registers always crapped out and I would have to fix it by hooking up a normal keyboard to the PC and toying around until we figured it out. I'm wondering when they switched.. -b On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system was back and the clerk logged it. Pretty cool! Way to go HEB :) I was talking to a friend yesterday who does PC repair and they got called out to Zaxby's because they use Windows XP on their POS system and it got a virus .. they couldn't open for the day because their POS system was down. At least with a netboot system clearing a virus or worm is as simple as a reboot. -Henry -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mguhlin at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 09:23:06 2009 From: mguhlin at gmail.com (Miguel Guhlin) Date: Sun Dec 27 09:23:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux - Judson ISD In-Reply-To: <4B37685E.7000108@reglue.org> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> <4B36E410.3030406@gmail.com> <4B37685E.7000108@reglue.org> Message-ID: <680452b50912270723q2e833c5eya3bd100f901a37a6@mail.gmail.com> Don: Have you seen Steve Young (Judson ISD CTO) presentation? http://mguhlin.net/notes_txcto09_day1#toc2 Also, don't know if you are aware of the Computer Lending Pilot... The Commissioner of Education shall establish a computer lending pilot program to provide computers to participating public schools that make computers available for use by students and their parents. Any surplus or salvage data processing equipment available for distribution under the pilot program .... Eligible schools: 50% or more of students enrolled in the school are educationally disadvantaged computer lending program: allows students and parents to borrow a computer option to own provides computer training for students and parents operates outside of regular school hours, including operation until at least 7 pm on at least 3 days each week Source: Anita Givens Presentation at TxCTO2009 http://www.mguhlin.org/2009/06/txcto09-anita-givens-legislative-update.html Anyways, there are challenges in encouraging folks to transition from MS Windows to a GNU/Linux desktop. One of the biggest one is Pearson's TestNAV, the software used to assess students as part of online high stakes testing...it requires Internet Explorer. http://www.edsupport.cc/mguhlin/blog/archives/2008/06/entry_7315.htm More information on thin clients aggregated from Texas Tech Director remarks: http://www.edsupport.cc/mguhlin/blog/archives/2008/09/entry_7817.htm Wishing you well, Miguel Guhlin Phone: 210-617-3330 Email - mguhlin@gmail.com Blog: http://mguhlin.org Portfolio: http://mguhlin.net On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Don Davis wrote: > Nate wrote: >> >> On 12/26/09 3:37 PM, Miguel Guhlin wrote: >>> >>> The unencrypted message was that RedHatLinux is rumored to run on HEB >>> checkout machines. Too bad local schools don't follow suit, using >>> GNU/Linux >>> on the desktop to lower costs. >>> >>> Anyone supporting local GNU/Linux installs in schools in San Antonio? >>> > > I was trying to remember a school in San Antonio that was using diskless > workstations as part of a 'green' initiative. > > The school district is Judson ISD as part of their green initiative: > http://www.judsonisd.org/district/technology/JudsonISDGreenComputingInitiative.cfm > > I contacted them to discuss their experiences and received no reply. If > anyone does contact them or has contact to someone from Judson ISD, I would > like to speak with them. I will be presenting a talk at TCEA on how LTSP can > save schools money. I would like a few more first hand accounts running thin > clients. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dondavis at reglue.org Sun Dec 27 11:42:24 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Sun Dec 27 11:42:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux - Judson ISD In-Reply-To: <680452b50912270723q2e833c5eya3bd100f901a37a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <680452b50912261337gec2cc1ar9d3848178f80f00b@mail.gmail.com> <4B36E410.3030406@gmail.com> <4B37685E.7000108@reglue.org> <680452b50912270723q2e833c5eya3bd100f901a37a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B379C80.8030908@reglue.org> Miguel Guhlin wrote: > Don: > > Have you seen Steve Young (Judson ISD CTO) presentation? > http://mguhlin.net/notes_txcto09_day1#toc2 No, I haven't. I'll take a look. > Also, don't know if you are aware of the Computer Lending Pilot... > I read the info and the corresponding post. I don't feel that I know much more about it. How will it be implemented? Where? Is anyone implementing it? What should I know about it? I also noticed the notes and HB 2488 and Open Source Textbooks. It sounds promising; though it seems they plan to implement more rigid requirements for open source text books than print text books. (That's looking at the language they use -- who knows how it will work out in the wash?) > > Anyways, there are challenges in encouraging folks to transition from MS > Windows to a GNU/Linux desktop. One of the biggest one is Pearson's TestNAV, > the software used to assess students as part of online high stakes > testing...it requires Internet Explorer. It mentions that the test can be administered from a fileserver. I also notice that it's available for Macs. If it's Mac runnable, there's a good chance it's runnable via Linux. Is it a genuine IE dependency (e.g. Active X) or a misleading browser 'requirement'? What about the IE under Wine browser? http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page Thank you for the info. I'll definitely make use of it. Miguel - I'll probably write you off list to bounce some ideas about the LTSP presentation. I know many people knowledgeable in Linux and many from Education but few who know about both. Thanks again. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Dec 27 23:32:13 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Dec 27 23:32:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> I also caught a Linux PXE boot screen in my transatlantic flight to London. The seat-back screen/movie user interface went down when they lost power to it.. and there was Tux during the boot. IIRC.. It was running some kind of embedded flavor of Red Hat. I've got some low quality screen shots of it somewhere if anyone wants to see them. :) Tweeks On Saturday 26 December 2009 11:32:15 am Jeremy Mann wrote: > Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power > outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I > immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell > computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as > well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was > though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system > was back and the clerk logged it. > > Pretty cool! > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 27 23:45:04 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Dec 27 23:45:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Tweeks wrote: >I also caught a Linux PXE boot screen in my transatlantic flight to London. It only makes sense. Every gram they lift that isn't paying for a ticket is lost revenue, so they can't afford those heavy license agreements. Now if a flight attendant had come back and asked you to help... -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From jc78244 at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 10:12:39 2009 From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C) Date: Mon Dec 28 10:12:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <75be82090912280812y3d69d9d4sf72fc090e1229561@mail.gmail.com> I saw one boot screen a few weeks ago at Regal Live Oak. The photo booth aparently uses some flavor of Unix. -Jesse C On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks wrote: > I also caught a Linux PXE boot screen in my transatlantic flight to London. > The seat-back screen/movie user interface went down when they lost power to > it.. and there was Tux during the boot. ?IIRC.. It was running some kind of > embedded flavor of Red Hat. ?I've got some low quality screen shots of it > somewhere if anyone wants to see them. :) > > Tweeks From dondavis at reglue.org Mon Dec 28 14:25:11 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Mon Dec 28 14:25:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google Message-ID: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> I didn't know that my browser secretly communicated with Google. This morning I saw that my browser had unexpectedly opened a connection to an ip address. I did a reverse DNS look up and it was google. I started a tcpdump session to figure out watch was being sent to google when I wasn't on. Then I learned about: POST./safebrowsing/downloads and goog-phish-shavar and goog-malware-shavar. http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec I don't mind so much, but I wish my browser had offered control over the connection or given me a choice. Am I behind the curve on this one? From daniel at rugmonster.org Mon Dec 28 14:32:31 2009 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Mon Dec 28 14:36:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google In-Reply-To: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> References: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> Message-ID: <34F776F0-0A56-412E-A1B1-194A83838665@rugmonster.org> What browser are you using. If it's firefox, do you have any google related plugins installed? If it's Chrome, I wouldn't be surprised if it phones home periodically. -- Daniel J. Givens On Dec 28, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Don Davis wrote: > I didn't know that my browser secretly communicated with Google. > This morning I saw that my browser had unexpectedly opened a > connection to an ip address. I did a reverse DNS look up and it was > google. I started a tcpdump session to figure out watch was being > sent to google when I wasn't on. Then I learned about: POST./ > safebrowsing/downloads and goog-phish-shavar and goog-malware- > shavar. http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec > > I don't mind so much, but I wish my browser had offered control over > the connection or given me a choice. Am I behind the curve on this > one? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 16:41:47 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Dec 28 16:41:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google In-Reply-To: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> References: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Don Davis wrote: > I didn't know that my browser secretly communicated with Google. This > morning I saw that my browser had unexpectedly opened a connection to an ip > address. I did a reverse DNS look up and it was google. I started a tcpdump > session to figure out watch was being sent to google when I wasn't on. Then > I learned about: POST./safebrowsing/downloads and goog-phish-shavar and > goog-malware-shavar. > http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec > > I don't mind so much, but I wish my browser had offered control over the > connection or given me a choice. Am I behind the curve on this one? You opted in when you enabled the safebrowsing feature in your browser :) It downloads lists of phishing sites the same way antivirus updates virus signatures. -Henry From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 16:43:41 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Mon Dec 28 16:43:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10912281443m58f5c08eh2865900fa8baa12f@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure of that, Google is doing some wierd stuff, they are sliding behind Mozilla and kicking pages circumventing the nospawning of pages. It's within Google On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Don Davis wrote: > > I didn't know that my browser secretly communicated with Google. This > > morning I saw that my browser had unexpectedly opened a connection to an > ip > > address. I did a reverse DNS look up and it was google. I started a > tcpdump > > session to figure out watch was being sent to google when I wasn't on. > Then > > I learned about: POST./safebrowsing/downloads and goog-phish-shavar and > > goog-malware-shavar. > > http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec > > > > I don't mind so much, but I wish my browser had offered control over the > > connection or given me a choice. Am I behind the curve on this one? > > You opted in when you enabled the safebrowsing feature in your browser > :) It downloads lists of phishing sites the same way antivirus updates > virus signatures. > > -Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 16:45:03 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Dec 28 16:45:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10912281443m58f5c08eh2865900fa8baa12f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org><1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com><294cd3d10912281443m58f5c08eh2865900fa8baa12f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <789266045-1262040308-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1619148371-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Beware the new tyrant - same as the old (M$) tyrant... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: country Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:43:41 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google I'm not sure of that, Google is doing some wierd stuff, they are sliding behind Mozilla and kicking pages circumventing the nospawning of pages. It's within Google On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Don Davis wrote: > > I didn't know that my browser secretly communicated with Google. This > > morning I saw that my browser had unexpectedly opened a connection to an > ip > > address. I did a reverse DNS look up and it was google. I started a > tcpdump > > session to figure out watch was being sent to google when I wasn't on. > Then > > I learned about: POST./safebrowsing/downloads and goog-phish-shavar and > > goog-malware-shavar. > > http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec > > > > I don't mind so much, but I wish my browser had offered control over the > > connection or given me a choice. Am I behind the curve on this one? > > You opted in when you enabled the safebrowsing feature in your browser > :) It downloads lists of phishing sites the same way antivirus updates > virus signatures. > > -Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dondavis at reglue.org Mon Dec 28 17:40:25 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Mon Dec 28 17:40:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Browser secretly connecting to Google In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B391427.5040106@reglue.org> <1003aeaa0912281441p29c3d408g7b5a397b25ba031d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3941E9.6060005@reglue.org> I use Iceweasel. I looked for options to disable it. (To see if I could.) It's not in the menus; however it can be disabled under about:config by change browser.safebrowsing.enabled;true. I notice others have been more perturbed than I and filed a bug report. > You opted in when you enabled the safebrowsing feature in your browser > :) It downloads lists of phishing sites the same way antivirus updates > virus signatures. > > -Henry From masterr at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 07:43:20 2009 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Tue Dec 29 07:43:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <14842c410912290543t6fc9ae65y151b4cd92797d6ac@mail.gmail.com> Apparently Linux is hiding in all kinds of places. A friend of mine flipped the power on one of those touch screen bar games machines at Fast Eddies. It started a very RedHat-like bootup sequence, so obviously running Linux of some flavor. -Jon On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks wrote: > I also caught a Linux PXE boot screen in my transatlantic flight to London. > The seat-back screen/movie user interface went down when they lost power to > it.. and there was Tux during the boot. ?IIRC.. It was running some kind of > embedded flavor of Red Hat. ?I've got some low quality screen shots of it > somewhere if anyone wants to see them. :) > > Tweeks > > On Saturday 26 December 2009 11:32:15 am Jeremy Mann wrote: >> Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power >> outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I >> immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell >> computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as >> well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was >> though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system >> was back and the clerk logged it. >> >> Pretty cool! >> >> -- >> Jeremy Mann >> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >> >> University of Texas Health Science Center >> Bioinformatics Core Facility >> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >> Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dennis at myediscounts.com Tue Dec 29 07:59:10 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Tue Dec 29 08:00:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site Message-ID: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> I got our new website up and running at www.myediscounts.com please check it out and give me any feedback, just remember I'm a newbie in websites. If you have a favorite link you would like added send it to me and I'll see what I can do. If you are near exit 160 of of IH35 feel free to stop on by. Also I am going back to school hopefully by summer and wanted to know which of the SA schools are a good choice in computer programming, I've had the basics (Assembly, C++, Fortran) and looking for some advanced C++, Java and JavaScript and hopefully an AI language or two. Thanks Dennis From dennis at myediscounts.com Tue Dec 29 08:00:16 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Tue Dec 29 08:01:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HEB POS systems use Linux In-Reply-To: <14842c410912290543t6fc9ae65y151b4cd92797d6ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0912260932n158889d0lfebac1cdb15059d3@mail.gmail.com> <200912272332.13259.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <14842c410912290543t6fc9ae65y151b4cd92797d6ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61bf8a4b875815cd40a4cff0f5a823a8.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Yes, a lot of local businesses are using Linux, we have seen a lot of the RED HAT Enterprise come by the shop. > Apparently Linux is hiding in all kinds of places. > > A friend of mine flipped the power on one of those touch screen bar > games machines at Fast Eddies. It started a very RedHat-like bootup > sequence, so obviously running Linux of some flavor. > > -Jon > > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tweeks wrote: >> I also caught a Linux PXE boot screen in my transatlantic flight to >> London. >> The seat-back screen/movie user interface went down when they lost power >> to >> it.. and there was Tux during the boot. ?IIRC.. It was running some kind >> of >> embedded flavor of Red Hat. ?I've got some low quality screen shots of >> it >> somewhere if anyone wants to see them. :) >> >> Tweeks >> >> On Saturday 26 December 2009 11:32:15 am Jeremy Mann wrote: >>> Xmas eve I was at my local HEB at Bandera/1604 and there was a power >>> outage while I was in the checkout line. As the geek like I am, I >>> immediately looked at the screen while it was rebooting. They are Dell >>> computers set to PXE boot a Linux image! I saw the kernel loading as >>> well as the ramdisk image (I couldn't tell what kernel version it was >>> though). It was a matter of about 10 seconds before the HEB POS system >>> was back and the clerk logged it. >>> >>> Pretty cool! >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Mann >>> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >>> >>> University of Texas Health Science Center >>> Bioinformatics Core Facility >>> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >>> Phone: (210) 567-2672 >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From fhuddles at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 11:16:54 2009 From: fhuddles at gmail.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Tue Dec 29 11:17:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? Message-ID: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Greetings, I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of virtualization, although not incompatible with it: with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many computers "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's graveyard of older computers: could they be yoked together to function something like the computing clouds? I've seem some things out there that look as though they might possibly deal with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache Hadoop, but I'm just mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I know lots of things have been tried especially for large computational projects. I don't know about home or small business projects, however. I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of some theoretical and practical interest to me. Regards, Frank Huddleston From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 12:31:49 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Dec 29 12:31:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0912291031o37d14cb6n915ebbd0a8613b4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > ?I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, > cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct > terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of > virtualization, although not incompatible with it: > with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one > physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many computers > "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's graveyard of older > computers: could they be yoked together to function something like the > computing clouds? > I've seem some things out there that look as though they might possibly deal > with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache Hadoop, but I'm just > mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. > The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I know > lots of things have been tried especially for large computational projects. > I don't know about home or small business projects, however. > I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of some > theoretical and practical interest to me. Frank, just what are you trying to do? A few things that come to mind that I have done are: distcc - Distributed compilation environment (using multiple computers to compile code) MySQL - created a 4 server Round Robin MySQL environment Video encoding - distributed video encoding environment using Transcode with MPI POVray - distributed ray tracing/3D rendering -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 12:32:20 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Dec 29 12:32:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: Look up Ubuntu and Eucalyptus...that will do everything you want. E On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, > cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct > terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of > virtualization, although not incompatible with it: > with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one > physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many computers > "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's graveyard of older > computers: could they be yoked together to function something like the > computing clouds? > I've seem some things out there that look as though they might possibly > deal with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache Hadoop, but I'm just > mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. > The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I know > lots of things have been tried especially for large computational projects. > I don't know about home or small business projects, however. > I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of some > theoretical and practical interest to me. > > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dondavis at reglue.org Tue Dec 29 08:15:29 2009 From: dondavis at reglue.org (Don Davis) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:15:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> Many people use Beowulf clusters. http://www.beowulf.org/overview/index.html http://www.clustermonkey.net/ http://www.clustermonkey.net//component/option,com_weblinks/catid,53/Itemid,23/ It sounds like a good idea. The deterring factors for me were space and power consumption. Someone I know does distributed computing mounting the computers on milk crates and plastic baskets. http://skipsjunk.net/gallery/china01.html From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:21:52 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Tue Dec 29 14:21:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> Message-ID: <1247a04a0912291221q448f94b0q2c1d22b689fcf55d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Don Davis wrote: > Many people use Beowulf clusters. http://www.beowulf.org/overview/index.html > http://www.clustermonkey.net/ > http://www.clustermonkey.net//component/option,com_weblinks/catid,53/Itemid,23/ > > It sounds like a good idea. The deterring factors for me were space and > power consumption. > > Someone I know does distributed computing mounting the computers on milk > crates and plastic baskets. http://skipsjunk.net/gallery/china01.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > PVM and PVMe were attempts to work with loosely coupled servers/computers. It's been ages since I don't hear anything about them but they might still be around. best regards, esv. -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ From j at jvpappas.net Tue Dec 29 16:00:55 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Dec 29 16:01:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: House Cleaning... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450912291400l155fc6bei7d750d08c70eb59f@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I will be in SATX cleaning out the house Wed and Thursday this week, and have some remaining stuff (UPS, IBM N2200 ThinClients, Garden Equipment/Chemicals, and other misc household goods) that will have to go for very low to no cost (the house is also for sale for those that may be interested :). I do not have an inventory, but if you want to stop by, let me know off list and I will send my address to you and let you know times that I will be there. Thanks! John Pappas From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 17:28:46 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Tue Dec 29 17:28:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> Message-ID: <4B3A90AE.2050802@gmail.com> On 12/29/09 8:15 AM, Don Davis wrote: > > Someone I know does distributed computing mounting the computers on > milk crates and plastic baskets. > http://skipsjunk.net/gallery/china01.html My wife would divorce me if I built a bunch of those at the house. ~Nate From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 17:34:25 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Dec 29 17:34:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A90AE.2050802@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <4B3A0F01.2090707@reglue.org> <4B3A90AE.2050802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0912291534sb6f4cd6tff625b1eaa79393d@mail.gmail.com> I would still try it anyways :) I ain't scared of the D word. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Nate wrote: > On 12/29/09 8:15 AM, Don Davis wrote: > >> >> Someone I know does distributed computing mounting the computers on milk >> crates and plastic baskets. http://skipsjunk.net/gallery/china01.html >> > > My wife would divorce me if I built a bunch of those at the house. > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 20:11:13 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Dec 29 20:11:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? I don't know about Texas A&M here but my brother in law got his degree from Texas A&M in east Texas. My X husband got his BSEE for UT Austin. Don't know how UTSA stacks up to UTA either. Perhaps someone on list will know..c On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:59 AM, wrote: > I got our new website up and running at www.myediscounts.com please check > it out and give me any feedback, just remember I'm a newbie in websites. > If you have a favorite link you would like added send it to me and I'll > see what I can do. If you are near exit 160 of of IH35 feel free to stop > on by. > > Also I am going back to school hopefully by summer and wanted to know > which of the SA schools are a good choice in computer programming, I've > had the basics (Assembly, C++, Fortran) and looking for some advanced C++, > Java and JavaScript and hopefully an AI language or two. > > Thanks > Dennis > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 20:14:16 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Tue Dec 29 20:14:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3AB778.9020108@gmail.com> On 12/29/09 8:11 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? > > I don't know about Texas A&M here but my brother in law got his degree from > Texas A&M in east Texas. > > My X husband got his BSEE for UT Austin. Don't know how UTSA stacks up to > UTA either. Perhaps someone on list will know..c > > UTSA has a good cyber security program. Don't know about the rest of their CS program, though. ~Nate From dennis at myediscounts.com Tue Dec 29 20:14:25 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Tue Dec 29 20:14:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469d19bb5a0bcbca281ef127fb0c701f.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> University level, I have about 75 hours. > Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? > > I don't know about Texas A&M here but my brother in law got his degree > from > Texas A&M in east Texas. > > My X husband got his BSEE for UT Austin. Don't know how UTSA stacks up to > UTA either. Perhaps someone on list will know..c > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:59 AM, wrote: > >> I got our new website up and running at www.myediscounts.com please >> check >> it out and give me any feedback, just remember I'm a newbie in websites. >> If you have a favorite link you would like added send it to me and I'll >> see what I can do. If you are near exit 160 of of IH35 feel free to >> stop >> on by. >> >> Also I am going back to school hopefully by summer and wanted to know >> which of the SA schools are a good choice in computer programming, I've >> had the basics (Assembly, C++, Fortran) and looking for some advanced >> C++, >> Java and JavaScript and hopefully an AI language or two. >> >> Thanks >> Dennis >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 20:27:59 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Dec 29 20:28:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <469d19bb5a0bcbca281ef127fb0c701f.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> <469d19bb5a0bcbca281ef127fb0c701f.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <4B3ABAAF.60909@gmail.com> dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > University level, I have about 75 hours. > >> Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? My information is dated, but my Master's is from UTSA. They still have several faculty that have been around a long time that I liked a lot. Computer Science is far more than just languages. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 21:05:45 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Dec 29 21:06:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <4B3ABAAF.60909@gmail.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> <469d19bb5a0bcbca281ef127fb0c701f.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <4B3ABAAF.60909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you looking to finish a degree or just take classes to become more familiar with things? I did my undergrad and grad work at St. Mary's and loved it there. It is quite expensive however. I don't know about the exact classes SAC offers, but a couple of the faculty from SAC are part of the LUG and really cool (quite sharp) guys. They may offer better guidance. E On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > >> University level, I have about 75 hours. >> >> Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? >>> >> > My information is dated, but my Master's is from UTSA. They still have > several faculty that have been around a long time that I liked a lot. > > Computer Science is far more than just languages. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dennis at myediscounts.com Tue Dec 29 21:12:58 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Tue Dec 29 21:13:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <7e4994a70912291811s63e71bc3o749ae74ee49fe206@mail.gmail.com> <469d19bb5a0bcbca281ef127fb0c701f.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <4B3ABAAF.60909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30156089d35ef41cac0ce3d65546c85d.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> I'm looking for classes in programming, I'm finishing up a game programming degree and just looking to learn different languages. > Are you looking to finish a degree or just take classes to become more > familiar with things? I did my undergrad and grad work at St. Mary's and > loved it there. It is quite expensive however. I don't know about the > exact > classes SAC offers, but a couple of the faculty from SAC are part of the > LUG > and really cool (quite sharp) guys. They may offer better guidance. > > E > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Bruce Dubbs > wrote: > >> dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> >>> University level, I have about 75 hours. >>> >>> Dennis..are you looking for a University or a trade school? >>>> >>> >> My information is dated, but my Master's is from UTSA. They still have >> several faculty that have been around a long time that I liked a lot. >> >> Computer Science is far more than just languages. >> >> -- Bruce >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Dec 29 22:06:15 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Tue Dec 29 22:06:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: House Cleaning... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450912291400l155fc6bei7d750d08c70eb59f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450912291400l155fc6bei7d750d08c70eb59f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3AD1B7.1010909@satx.rr.com> John Pappas wrote: > Hey all, > > I will be in SATX cleaning out the house Wed and Thursday this week, and > have some remaining stuff (UPS, IBM N2200 ThinClients, > Garden Equipment/Chemicals, and other misc household goods) that will have > to go for very low to no cost (the house is also for sale for those that may > be interested :). > > I do not have an inventory, but if you want to stop by, let me know off list > and I will send my address to you and let you know times that I will be > there. > > Thanks! > John Pappas > I'd be interested in seeing what you have ... Al Lesmerises From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 03:30:38 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Dec 30 03:30:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > ?I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, > cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct > terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of > virtualization, although not incompatible with it: > with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one > physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many computers > "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's graveyard of older > computers: could they be yoked together to function something like the > computing clouds? > I've seem some things out there that look as though they might possibly deal > with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache Hadoop, but I'm just > mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. > The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I know > lots of things have been tried especially for large computational projects. > I don't know about home or small business projects, however. > I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of some > theoretical and practical interest to me. > > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > > -- By all means "Go For It !!!". Keep in mind that "cloud computing" is about "Services". Since "Services" are very competitive the Cost of Delivery is very important. This means commodity price based computing and economies of scale like shared hardware resources. Almost anything "virtual" can be a shared resource. What services do you have in mind to deliver? Jeremy mentioned some very useful and interesting ones for the SOHO Cloud. The other payoff is duplicating commercial cloud offerings for less money in the SOHO Cloud and the pleasure of learning how to do it. Hard to put a price on that experience. Kind of like those commercials where the punch line was "Priceless !". Robin Harris has an interesting post on StorageMojo. "2009?s big STORies by Robin Harris on Monday, 28 December, 2009" (8) Tiny server clusters Instead of putting many virtual eggs in one power-hungry basket, why not build low-power/low-cost servers that don?t need VM software at all? [rdpcomment - perfect for the SOHO Cloud] Microslice servers achieve availability through cheap redundancy. Of course, no enterprise salesman will sell them, so if their advantages prove out the efficiency gap between cloud and enterprise shops will only grow. Comment #1 by Tom to this post says: "I can build a storage system with compression, deduplication, iSCSI, NFS, CIFS, snapshots and triple parity RAID by downloading free software and installing it on commodity hardware." [rdpcomment] Just delivering this Cloud Storage Service for SOHO use would be interesting. When, rather than if, USB 3.0 arrives the SOHO video use will jump. 300 MBs at the USB price will make many things possible. Another interesting SOHO Cloud Service area would be: "MySpace Replaces Storage with Solid-State Drive Technology in 150 Standard Load Servers" [rdpcomment - the SOHO Cloud may never need or be able to afford this expensive SSD. The SOHO Cloud benefit will be in backups. The current traditional USB Flash drives are moving up in capacity. A set of these plugged in could easily be a "write" target of the multi-write Operating Systems of the future. You can do it now if you want to do the programming. Once the Flash drive fills you can remove it or write over non-permanent Information. This requires some Manageware which is best done with as yet un-written Manageware software. Some traditional backup software will almost do this now. Remember, with deduplication as a SOHO Cloud Service the backup and restore paradigm changes completely from the traditional, historical one we are all familiar with.] The Times They Are A'Changin From erichaugen at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 07:56:18 2009 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Wed Dec 30 07:56:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ASP Classic and ASP.net job Message-ID: <674b98ac0912300556l295bc9d7l41547e83f5adfcb@mail.gmail.com> I know someone who is in need of someone who knows ASP Classic and ASP.net for a wedding site. As far as I know it has an all custom CMS and checkout system. Contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks, Eric Haugen erichaugen@gmail.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 30 09:48:57 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 30 09:49:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3B7669.1030508@grandecom.net> Frank Huddleston wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a "Home Cloud": that is, > cloud-type computing for the home. I might not be using the correct > terminology, but what I have in mind is kind of the opposite of > virtualization, although not incompatible with it: > with virtualization you can run many different types of hosts on one > physical computer, but with what I have in mind, you'd run many > computers "as one". Many of us gradually build a kind of elephant's > graveyard of older computers: could they be yoked together to function > something like the computing clouds? > I've seem some things out there that look as though they might > possibly deal with this kind of computing, like Swarm and Apache > Hadoop, but I'm just mentioning names: I haven't really looked into them. > The idea of using multiple computers as one is a really old one, and I > know lots of things have been tried especially for large computational > projects. I don't know about home or small business projects, however. > I'd be interested to see what you all have to say about this: it's of > some theoretical and practical interest to me. > > Regards, > > Frank Huddleston > I think that what you are describing is better termed as clustering. In my experience its best to have a single purpose for your cluster. I have tried to do this a little bit a couple of years back with cinelerra for video editing. I was able to set it up so that i could use the three of my spare computers to run as slaves to my main video editor. nice thing about it was that they did not have to be dedicated to being slaves when not in use by cinelerra, as I booted them using live cd's that I mastered specifically for this purpose. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 30 09:58:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 30 09:58:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Message-ID: <4B3B78B8.4020709@grandecom.net> dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: > I got our new website up and running at www.myediscounts.com please check > it out and give me any feedback, just remember I'm a newbie in websites. > If you have a favorite link you would like added send it to me and I'll > see what I can do. If you are near exit 160 of of IH35 feel free to stop > on by. > > Also I am going back to school hopefully by summer and wanted to know > which of the SA schools are a good choice in computer programming, I've > had the basics (Assembly, C++, Fortran) and looking for some advanced C++, > Java and JavaScript and hopefully an AI language or two. > > Thanks > Dennis > > > Nice website. also checked out your ebay and I am currently drooling over your CPM-700. Looks like it would be fun item to play around with. also I graduated from UTSA (BA Anthropology) and my wife is currently going to Texas A&M SA. AM is a much smaller school then UTSA and I am not sure that they offer any courses in programing. UTSA has a Comp Sci program but from what I have heard they are almost solely focused on theory with very little on practical application. I am currently attending SAC, for Network Admin security track (anthropology doesn't pay all that well) and the focus in this program is almost exclusively on practical application. regards Todd From dennis at myediscounts.com Wed Dec 30 10:04:51 2009 From: dennis at myediscounts.com (dennis@myediscounts.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 10:05:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Web Site In-Reply-To: <4B3B78B8.4020709@grandecom.net> References: <3219b8a2704e5bf5467736d9b02db8c0.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> <4B3B78B8.4020709@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4439d30f4911e28af6803ef9e1ca7628.squirrel@emailmg.ipower.com> Thanks, that is a pretty cool device. I'm looking at SAC right now and most likely will end up there. It looks like they have what I am looking for. I enjoy programming and looking to start programming games and phones to help with the mad money stash, I like buying up old TRS80's and fixing them up. My goal is to get one of the old IMSAI or Altair machines in my collection. > dennis@myediscounts.com wrote: >> I got our new website up and running at www.myediscounts.com please >> check >> it out and give me any feedback, just remember I'm a newbie in websites. >> If you have a favorite link you would like added send it to me and I'll >> see what I can do. If you are near exit 160 of of IH35 feel free to >> stop >> on by. >> >> Also I am going back to school hopefully by summer and wanted to know >> which of the SA schools are a good choice in computer programming, I've >> had the basics (Assembly, C++, Fortran) and looking for some advanced >> C++, >> Java and JavaScript and hopefully an AI language or two. >> >> Thanks >> Dennis >> >> >> > Nice website. also checked out your ebay and I am currently drooling > over your CPM-700. Looks like it would be fun item to play around with. > > also I graduated from UTSA (BA Anthropology) and my wife is currently > going to Texas A&M SA. AM is a much smaller school then UTSA and I am > not sure that they offer any courses in programing. UTSA has a Comp Sci > program but from what I have heard they are almost solely focused on > theory with very little on practical application. I am currently > attending SAC, for Network Admin security track (anthropology doesn't > pay all that well) and the focus in this program is almost exclusively > on practical application. > > regards > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 30 11:17:53 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Dec 30 11:17:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:30:38 -0600, Robert Pearson wrote: >The Times They Are A'Changin Thanks for posting those links. The Cloud is a big topic right now, and it's important to understand it. However, "this too shall pass." History lesson: Once there was a country where the people labored under oppressive burdens. The Great Princes heard their cries and came together to raise a new champion to erase that burden, and of course fill their coffers with new tribute.[1] Bel, the Prince of Talk, Mitt, the Prince of Think, and Gec, the Prince of Move[2], directed their knights and wizards to build new castles in the midst of the villages, where great clockwork devices would perform the deadly tasks of counting and remembering for the people. Swift spirits would be conjured to convey the questions and answers between the people and the new castles, and incorruptible mechanical knights would guard the sanctity of the castle. Problems that once took many hours to mull over would be solved in a few ticks of the wonderful machines, so they named the new devices Mull-Ticks. As usual, the Princes began fighting among themselves and very few of the castles were built. The merchants said, "Why should we pay you gold to replace our clarks who work for copper?" And so the stones crumbled into the hills of history -- except the story isn't really over. A few of the junior conjurers from Talk, who had worked on the Great Mull-Ticks, thought some of the spells had promise, and nicked copies for themselves. They quietly built them into a new system of magic which we all know and use today. In recognition of their larcenous beginnings, these new Prometheans (who had stolen the Fire of the Go.., err Princes) called their new system You-Nicks. Its use has spread from the young wizards of Talk and Think to the mill-works and counting houses of the merchants, and even to the scrying-charms and memory-amulets carried by the people. Now tell me how this great central Mull-Ticks Castle differs from the new, improved Castle in the Fog of today? Be sure to mention Sidekick and Gmail (and even AT&T 3G) as shining examples of too-big-to-fail technologies. --Don [1] Looking out for number one is true in fairy tales too. [2] In the ancient tongue _En-ergia_, and who for a time also ruled Far-Seeing-Wide-Throwing, or _Enbec_. -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 11:47:10 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 11:47:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites Message-ID: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone... Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the format looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking they must be IE only sites.. Thanks and Happy New Year to all! c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 11:48:32 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Wed Dec 30 11:48:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10912300948u31f00ebctf8ebd7ff748fe901@mail.gmail.com> sounds like stuff that was created in 'frontpage' On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi everyone... > > Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing > websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the format > looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking they > must be IE only sites.. > > Thanks and Happy New Year to all! > > c > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 12:39:56 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 12:39:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 12:24 PM, Michael wrote: > However, I have to say that I don't come > across many sites that do not display properly in FF 2.0.0.20 which is > what I am currently using. > FF 2? Seriously? Why are you using such an old browser? ~Nate From jaret at aberlorn.com Wed Dec 30 12:46:59 2009 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Wed Dec 30 12:47:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BA023.6060005@aberlorn.com> Don't know of a download via Synaptic. Problem is that web browser clients render html differently, so web developers should test out differences before releasing a site. Firefox 2 renders differently than Firefox 3.5. Even within IE clients, IE 6 renders html differently than IE7 and IE8. If the web page is a must-have and can only be rendered properly an IE client, then how about a windows virtual machine within linux? That works for me when testing out web pages. Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi everyone... > > Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing > websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the format > looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking they > must be IE only sites.. > > Thanks and Happy New Year to all! > > c > > From fhuddles at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:02:16 2009 From: fhuddles at gmail.com (Frank Huddleston) Date: Wed Dec 30 13:02:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites Message-ID: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Hi everyone... > > > > Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing > > websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the format > > looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking they > > must be IE only sites.. > > > > Thanks and Happy New Year to all! > > > > c I just ran across an article from the Elance blogs that addressed the topic of testing one's pages and sites for different browsers. You might find it helpful. It's at http://www.elance.com/p/blog/2009/09/9_tools_for_multi_browser_web_development.html Regards, Frank H. From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 30 13:07:18 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Dec 30 13:07:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4B3BA4E6.3060600@lookcee.com> Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:30:38 -0600, Robert Pearson > wrote: > > > >> The Times They Are A'Changin >> > > > Thanks for posting those links. The Cloud is a big topic right now, and > it's important to understand it. However, "this too shall pass." > > History lesson: Once there was a country where the people labored under > oppressive burdens. The Great Princes heard their cries and came > together to raise a new champion to erase that burden, and of course > fill their coffers with new tribute.[1] Bel, the Prince of Talk, Mitt, > the Prince of Think, and Gec, the Prince of Move[2], directed their > knights and wizards to build new castles in the midst of the villages, > where great clockwork devices would perform the deadly tasks of counting > and remembering for the people. Swift spirits would be conjured to > convey the questions and answers between the people and the new castles, > and incorruptible mechanical knights would guard the sanctity of the > castle. Problems that once took many hours to mull over would be solved > in a few ticks of the wonderful machines, so they named the new devices > Mull-Ticks. > > As usual, the Princes began fighting among themselves and very few of > the castles were built. The merchants said, "Why should we pay you gold > to replace our clarks who work for copper?" And so the stones crumbled > into the hills of history -- except the story isn't really over. A few > of the junior conjurers from Talk, who had worked on the Great > Mull-Ticks, thought some of the spells had promise, and nicked copies > for themselves. They quietly built them into a new system of magic which > we all know and use today. In recognition of their larcenous beginnings, > these new Prometheans (who had stolen the Fire of the Go.., err Princes) > called their new system You-Nicks. Its use has spread from the young > wizards of Talk and Think to the mill-works and counting houses of the > merchants, and even to the scrying-charms and memory-amulets carried by > the people. > > Now tell me how this great central Mull-Ticks Castle differs from the > new, improved Castle in the Fog of today? Be sure to mention Sidekick > and Gmail (and even AT&T 3G) as shining examples of too-big-to-fail > technologies. --Don > > > [1] Looking out for number one is true in fairy tales too. > [2] In the ancient tongue _En-ergia_, and who for a time also ruled > Far-Seeing-Wide-Throwing, or _Enbec_. > LOL not sure I understood any of that correlation Don but it was fun. hh From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:34:54 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Dec 30 13:34:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0912301134r15047a3k4a6e682ac36ed794@mail.gmail.com> are you able to use flash on something that old? lol On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nate wrote: > On 12/30/09 12:24 PM, Michael wrote: > >> However, I have to say that I don't come >> across many sites that do not display properly in FF 2.0.0.20 which is >> what I am currently using. >> >> > > FF 2? Seriously? Why are you using such an old browser? > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:41:52 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 30 13:42:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> Frank Huddleston wrote: > I just ran across an article from the Elance blogs that addressed the > topic of testing one's pages and sites for different browsers. You might > find it helpful. > It's at > http://www.elance.com/p/blog/2009/09/9_tools_for_multi_browser_web_development.html Why not just make the pages standard html. http://validator.w3.org/ If you don't make the pages standard, the browser has to guess. I've yet to find a standard page that won't render properly with the exception that older MS browsers don't do CSS spacing properly in every case. -- Bruce From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:45:29 2009 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Wed Dec 30 13:45:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <294cd3d10912301145m4e082b5dw19349570747e9655@mail.gmail.com> Frank, it is from ignorance and M$'s pushing their propriety software.. I worked at a Charter School, as their IT, I was asked to teach a course on web creation, I got busy wrote about 3/4 of a book on the subject, and when they reviewd it they said all they wanted to do was teach them to put a picture there and add text type of work, I made the case about having to understand html to be able to fix it, and to make it readable to all browsers. I fought the ignorance and was glad to leave that assignment, not only that but reporting statistics in a less than real manner. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Frank Huddleston wrote: > > I just ran across an article from the Elance blogs that addressed the >> topic of testing one's pages and sites for different browsers. You might >> find it helpful. >> It's at >> http://www.elance.com/p/blog/2009/09/9_tools_for_multi_browser_web_development.html >> > > Why not just make the pages standard html. > > http://validator.w3.org/ > > If you don't make the pages standard, the browser has to guess. I've yet > to find a standard page that won't render properly with the exception that > older MS browsers don't do CSS spacing properly in every case. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 NATTC Memphis, 74 VS-30 Cecil Field, FL 74-75 AIMD Corpus Christi TX 75-78 NMRC Corpus Christi TX 78-80 NRC San Antonio, TX 80-81 HS-10, North Island CA, 81-82 HS-8, North Island CA 82-83 From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:35:32 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 14:35:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 1:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I just ran across an article from the Elance blogs that addressed the >> topic of testing one's pages and sites for different browsers. You >> might find it helpful. >> It's at >> http://www.elance.com/p/blog/2009/09/9_tools_for_multi_browser_web_development.html > An excellent list of tools to help with web design. Thanks, Frank. > Why not just make the pages standard html. > Which standard? Every doctype has its own benefits and detriments. > http://validator.w3.org/ > > If you don't make the pages standard, the browser has to guess. I've > yet to find a standard page that won't render properly with the > exception that older MS browsers don't do CSS spacing properly in > every case. Older MS browsers don't do a lot of things right. [cough] PNG transparency [cough] ~Nate From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:41:08 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 30 14:41:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> Nate wrote: >> Why not just make the pages standard html. >> > > Which standard? Every doctype has its own benefits and detriments. Choose one. I prefer XHTML Strict, but HTML 4.01 Transitional is OK. Frames are ugly. >> http://validator.w3.org/ >> >> If you don't make the pages standard, the browser has to guess. I've >> yet to find a standard page that won't render properly with the >> exception that older MS browsers don't do CSS spacing properly in >> every case. > > Older MS browsers don't do a lot of things right. [cough] PNG > transparency [cough] Agreed. -- Bruce From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:43:08 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 14:43:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0912301134r15047a3k4a6e682ac36ed794@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BBB5C.1030305@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 1:52 PM, Michael wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > >> are you able to use flash on something that old? lol >> >> > I would have to guess that the answer is yes since there is a add-on > called "flashblock" that I use with the browser. I find flash a waste > of bandwidth. Porn sites and childish amateurs use all of that flash > garbage. If I ever do come across a site that uses flash and I think I > might enjoy, I have the option of enabling flash just for that site. > However, I always email the webmaster and let him/her know what I think > of flash usage. > And I am sure that they jump at the opportunity to bend over backwards for somebody who refuses to join the web surfing community at large. It's fine if you're a zealot and refuse to run modern software on principle, just don't expect everyone else to join your crusade. Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot you can do with Flash that cannot be accomplished with javascript. It's that same mentality that keeps people from upgrading IE 6 to a browser more capable of rendering web content. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:49:31 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 14:49:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BBCDB.4030901@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 2:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Which standard? Every doctype has its own benefits and detriments. > > Choose one. I prefer XHTML Strict, but HTML 4.01 Transitional is OK. > Frames are ugly. I prefer XHTML Transitional so that I can still use target="_new". There is just nothing that is as easy to open a new window with a link. I also found it easier to troubleshoot some IE 6/7 formatting issues. ~Nate From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 30 15:14:21 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Dec 30 15:14:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BBCDB.4030901@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> <4B3BBCDB.4030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BC2AD.70707@lookcee.com> Nate wrote: > On 12/30/09 2:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> Which standard? Every doctype has its own benefits and detriments. >> >> Choose one. I prefer XHTML Strict, but HTML 4.01 Transitional is OK. >> Frames are ugly. > > I prefer XHTML Transitional so that I can still use target="_new". > There is just nothing that is as easy to open a new window with a > link. I also found it easier to troubleshoot some IE 6/7 formatting > issues. > > > > ~Nate Well this has been interesting and i am gonna check those tools out butttt.... Cheryls original complaint has not been addressed and perhaps you guyts are forgetting that she has very bad damage to her eyes. I have some damage in mine but not as severe as Cheryl's so let me add that what i think her problem is, that in order to see the text, she and I have to set the default font at very large in order to read it and the text often gets overlaid by an ad box or frame. I believe we are both using the 3.0.xx version of FF since both of us are using the Ubun 8.04 LTE and allowing the auto updating of the LT supported releases. Currently FF is 3.0.16. To simulate what Cheryl is seeing try setting your forced font size to min size of 20 or 24 and i think you will see better what she is complaining about . I can find nothing to help but perhaps someone understanding the prob can suggest a solution. hh From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:19:43 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 30 15:19:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BC2AD.70707@lookcee.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> <4B3BBCDB.4030901@gmail.com> <4B3BC2AD.70707@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4B3BC3EF.2030207@gmail.com> Herb Cee wrote: > Cheryls original complaint has not been addressed and perhaps you guyts > are forgetting that she has very bad damage to her eyes. I have some > damage in mine but not as severe as Cheryl's so let me add that what i > think her problem is, that in order to see the text, she and I have to > set the default font at very large in order to read it and the text > often gets overlaid by an ad box or frame. I believe we are both using > the 3.0.xx version of FF since both of us are using the Ubun 8.04 LTE > and allowing the auto updating of the LT supported releases. Currently > FF is 3.0.16. > > To simulate what Cheryl is seeing try setting your forced font size to > min size of 20 or 24 and i think you will see better what she is > complaining about . I can find nothing to help but perhaps someone > understanding the prob can suggest a solution. I'd suggest using adblock to block those irritating flash blocks on the screen. It works for me. -- Bruce From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:24:04 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 15:24:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BC2AD.70707@lookcee.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <4B3BB994.7040909@gmail.com> <4B3BBAE4.505@gmail.com> <4B3BBCDB.4030901@gmail.com> <4B3BC2AD.70707@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4B3BC4F4.6060303@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 3:14 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > > Cheryls original complaint has not been addressed and perhaps you > guyts are forgetting that she has very bad damage to her eyes. I have > some damage in mine but not as severe as Cheryl's so let me add that > what i think her problem is, that in order to see the text, she and I > have to set the default font at very large in order to read it and the > text often gets overlaid by an ad box or frame. I believe we are both > using the 3.0.xx version of FF since both of us are using the Ubun > 8.04 LTE and allowing the auto updating of the LT supported releases. > Currently FF is 3.0.16. > > To simulate what Cheryl is seeing try setting your forced font size to > min size of 20 or 24 and i think you will see better what she is > complaining about . I can find nothing to help but perhaps someone > understanding the prob can suggest a solution. > hh So I guess we need to define the term"websites designed for IE". I assume that you mean that a site that is full of ActiveX calls. In that case you're boned unless you are using IE. There is just no way around it. I recall a coworker trying to get into a site to manage her healthcare bills and the login form wasn't even visible with anything but IE. Sad but true. Also, if a page's content is zoomed up greater than 150% the layout is going to fall apart. It might help if you check the zoom option to zoom the whole page instead of just the text. If a website has been designed for use only on (or never tested on anything else) IE, then your only option to view the content properly is to use IE. There is just no way around it. For those that are sight-limited the only other option is to use a screen reader. Chances are, though, that anybody building a site that 'requires' IE will also fall apart with a screen reader. Sorry for the bad news. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:26:25 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 15:26:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BC3C7.70208@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0912301134r15047a3k4a6e682ac36ed794@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com> <4B3BBB5C.1030305@gmail.com> <4B3BC3C7.70208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BC581.6080909@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 3:19 PM, Michael wrote: > Yes, I know. But as a rule, I don't visit any porn sites. > Flash content isn't limited to pron sites. ~Nate From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:34:14 2009 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Wed Dec 30 15:34:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com> A lurker emerges from the shadows.... >From the original description, it sounds like the site is employing browser specific JavaScript. While there are browser differences with respect to the rendering of HTML, these are relatively minor in comparison to the differences encountered in JavaScript. JavaScript for Firefox, Safari and IE is all over the map which is why JavaScript frameworks like Dojo, jQuery, Prototype, et al. exist. Nevertheless, if heavy JavaScript is present on the site, the only real solution is to load the site in Windows/IE whether it be on a stand-alone box or within a virtual machine. Every browser handles JavaScript differently, so there is no way to accurately mimic IE on another system because to duplicate IE would require duplicating what it claims to support as well as all the "features" (i.e. bugs), and deviations from JavaScript standards. Another possibility is that there are Microsoft specific ActiveX controls, but the solution is still the same -- you need to have Windows itself. On the subject of Flash, it is one of the best tools in the RIA product space. A key advantages of Flash is that it looks the same in all browsers and the Flash plug-in is present . Yes, Flash can be misused, but it is invaluable for data visualization and navigation. Cross-browser JavaScript augmented with Flash where necessary can make a very good, intuitive site. -Mike From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 30 16:16:26 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Dec 30 16:16:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BD13A.3040703@lookcee.com> Mike Wallace wrote: > A lurker emerges from the shadows.... > > > >From the original description, it sounds like the site is employing browser > specific JavaScript. While there are browser differences with respect to > the rendering of HTML, these are relatively minor in comparison to the > differences encountered in JavaScript. JavaScript for Firefox, Safari and > IE is all over the map which is why JavaScript frameworks like Dojo, jQuery, > Prototype, et al. exist. Nevertheless, if heavy JavaScript is present on > the site, the only real solution is to load the site in Windows/IE whether > it be on a stand-alone box or within a virtual machine. Every browser > handles JavaScript differently, so there is no way to accurately mimic IE on > another system because to duplicate IE would require duplicating what it > claims to support as well as all the "features" (i.e. bugs), and deviations > from JavaScript standards. Another possibility is that there are Microsoft > specific ActiveX controls, but the solution is still the same -- you need to > have Windows itself. > > On the subject of Flash, it is one of the best tools in the RIA product > space. A key advantages of Flash is that it looks the same in all browsers > and the Flash plug-in is present . Yes, Flash can be misused, but it is > invaluable for data visualization and navigation. Cross-browser JavaScript > augmented with Flash where necessary can make a very good, intuitive site. > > -Mike > Yeah Mike I think you and Nate have nailed it as far as the browser option I think Cheryl was guessing (I haven't asked her) that it was designed only for IE She and I are both frustrated by this problem and being fairly programmer illiterate we just muddle onward. Often instructions on a site are almost hidden and yes it is so frustrating to have a dialog box that is non sizable and the bottom where you agree or choose is below the screen view and there is just no way to view it. sigh, bitch, whine, grrrrrrr. hh From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 16:23:24 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 16:23:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BD13A.3040703@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BD13A.3040703@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4B3BD2DC.5040800@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 4:16 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > > Yeah Mike I think you and Nate have nailed it as far as the browser > option I think Cheryl was guessing (I haven't asked her) that it was > designed only for IE She and I are both frustrated by this problem and > being fairly programmer illiterate we just muddle onward. Often > instructions on a site are almost hidden and yes it is so frustrating > to have a dialog box that is non sizable and the bottom where you > agree or choose is below the screen view and there is just no way to > view it. This is the constant fight for the leaders of the web standards movement. Sadly the problems still exist that frustrate handicapped users. Truth be told, it is hard, even for those of us that try to maintain full accessibility, to hit all those goals every time. There are a lot a checkboxes to tick to hit full 501c3 compatibility. > sigh, bitch, whine, grrrrrrr. Yup. If you encounter a site that gets a lot of public use and is generally handicap inaccessible, you could get a group of similar users to put together a class action lawsuit. It worked for getting Target's website modified. ~Nate From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Dec 30 16:28:01 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 16:28:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BC3C7.70208@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0912301134r15047a3k4a6e682ac36ed794@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com><4B3BBB5C.1030305@gmail.com><4B3BC3C7.70208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <154851679-1262212086-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2011501780-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have to "Second" that Zealot remark. Adobe and IE frustrate me to no end, but when you are the righteous fringe you must respect your status. That is why people who pursue change from the righteous fringe are generally conferred upon with Martyrdom-status when they succeed. What you are doing here is trolling the general public with an annoyance as a sideline coward with a perfectly good, yet wasted point... Be sure to actually VOTE, too. Merely whining about a situation does no one ANY good... :-) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Michael Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:19:03 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] IE websites Nate wrote: > On 12/30/09 1:52 PM, Michael wrote: >> Peter Cross wrote: >> >>> are you able to use flash on something that old? lol >>> >>> >> I would have to guess that the answer is yes since there is a add-on >> called "flashblock" that I use with the browser. I find flash a waste >> of bandwidth. Porn sites and childish amateurs use all of that flash >> garbage. If I ever do come across a site that uses flash and I think I >> might enjoy, I have the option of enabling flash just for that site. >> However, I always email the webmaster and let him/her know what I think >> of flash usage. >> > > And I am sure that they jump at the opportunity to bend over backwards > for somebody who refuses to join the web surfing community at large. > > It's fine if you're a zealot and refuse to run modern software on > principle, just don't expect everyone else to join your crusade. > Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot you can do with Flash > that cannot be accomplished with javascript. Yes, I know. But as a rule, I don't visit any porn sites. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Dec 30 16:29:27 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 16:29:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BD2DC.5040800@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com><4B3BD13A.3040703@lookcee.com><4B3BD2DC.5040800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <267211514-1262212172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1380585866-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Now THAT'S awesome! (Lawsuit to force accessibility to website...) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Nate Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:23:24 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] IE websites On 12/30/09 4:16 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > > Yeah Mike I think you and Nate have nailed it as far as the browser > option I think Cheryl was guessing (I haven't asked her) that it was > designed only for IE She and I are both frustrated by this problem and > being fairly programmer illiterate we just muddle onward. Often > instructions on a site are almost hidden and yes it is so frustrating > to have a dialog box that is non sizable and the bottom where you > agree or choose is below the screen view and there is just no way to > view it. This is the constant fight for the leaders of the web standards movement. Sadly the problems still exist that frustrate handicapped users. Truth be told, it is hard, even for those of us that try to maintain full accessibility, to hit all those goals every time. There are a lot a checkboxes to tick to hit full 501c3 compatibility. > sigh, bitch, whine, grrrrrrr. Yup. If you encounter a site that gets a lot of public use and is generally handicap inaccessible, you could get a group of similar users to put together a class action lawsuit. It worked for getting Target's website modified. ~Nate -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 16:39:40 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 16:39:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <267211514-1262212172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1380585866-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <36217ddc0912301334s162b41ddpaf278737370816ad@mail.gmail.com><4B3BD13A.3040703@lookcee.com><4B3BD2DC.5040800@gmail.com> <267211514-1262212172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1380585866-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B3BD6AC.70308@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 4:29 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > Now THAT'S awesome! > > (Lawsuit to force accessibility to website...) > Any site paid for ith public funds MUST be accessible by those with disabilities. Any site that 'discriminates' against users with disabilities faces the possibility of a class action lawsuit. ~Nate From kcoriginal at yahoo.com Wed Dec 30 18:16:44 2009 From: kcoriginal at yahoo.com (kcoriginal@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 18:16:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites Message-ID: <2072372754-1262218609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1601816283-@bda203.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I consider myself a major proponent of "Tort Reform" and yet I cheer this lawsuit. I'll have to search and read up on it... ------Original Message------ From: Nate Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] IE websites Sent: Dec 30, 2009 4:39 PM On 12/30/09 4:29 PM, kcoriginal@yahoo.com wrote: > Now THAT'S awesome! > > (Lawsuit to force accessibility to website...) > Any site paid for ith public funds MUST be accessible by those with disabilities. Any site that 'discriminates' against users with disabilities faces the possibility of a class action lawsuit. ~Nate -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 18:30:06 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 18:30:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301630w20a2dcahc60af82ab90e65ee@mail.gmail.com> Hi Michael... yes I did but had a lot of problems with it initially. Once another friend removed all the failed hardware and replaced it, replaced/failed, memory (1 gig of the 2), the hard drive and the DVD drive it works pretty good now! I am running Hardy Heron on it. c On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Hi everyone... > > > > Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing > > websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the > format > > looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking > they > > must be IE only sites.. > > > > Thanks and Happy New Year to all! > > > > c > > > > > Cheryl, > > Your post doesn't mention what browser you are using. My two cents - > use User Agent Switcher. However, I have to say that I don't come > across many sites that do not display properly in FF 2.0.0.20 which is > what I am currently using. > > Did you ever get that new Dell you were wishing for? > > Michael > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 18:53:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 18:54:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0912301134r15047a3k4a6e682ac36ed794@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BAF93.7010901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301653v4ecb4e1qcb9a463236816812@mail.gmail.com> that's an idea..start e,ailing these webmasters! c On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Michael wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: > > are you able to use flash on something that old? lol > > > > > I would have to guess that the answer is yes since there is a add-on > called "flashblock" that I use with the browser. I find flash a waste > of bandwidth. Porn sites and childish amateurs use all of that flash > garbage. If I ever do come across a site that uses flash and I think I > might enjoy, I have the option of enabling flash just for that site. > However, I always email the webmaster and let him/her know what I think > of flash usage. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 18:59:04 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 18:59:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301659h14dfe727ta4ab7eb93c206226@mail.gmail.com> this box isn't that old but no can't get flash to work right..c On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Frank Huddleston wrote: > > I just ran across an article from the Elance blogs that addressed the >> topic of testing one's pages and sites for different browsers. You might >> find it helpful. >> It's at >> http://www.elance.com/p/blog/2009/09/9_tools_for_multi_browser_web_development.html >> > > Why not just make the pages standard html. > > http://validator.w3.org/ > > If you don't make the pages standard, the browser has to guess. I've yet > to find a standard page that won't render properly with the exception that > older MS browsers don't do CSS spacing properly in every case. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 19:01:58 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 19:02:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BA023.6060005@aberlorn.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BA023.6060005@aberlorn.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301701p713041e6p3476096e0276c30a@mail.gmail.com> thanks Jaret..that is exactly wjat I am talking about. I guess the easiest fix for me is to blow off any of those kinds of pag es .:o( c On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:46 PM, jaret wrote: > Don't know of a download via Synaptic. Problem is that web browser clients > render html differently, so web developers should test out differences > before releasing a site. Firefox 2 renders differently than Firefox 3.5. > Even within IE clients, IE 6 renders html differently than IE7 and IE8. If > the web page is a must-have and can only be rendered properly an IE client, > then how about a windows virtual machine within linux? That works for me > when testing out web pages. > > > > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> Hi everyone... >> >> Is there something I need to dl from Synaptic that will help with viewing >> websites designed for IE? I notice some websites act weird like the >> format >> looks all jumbled or will disappear as soon as they appear so thinking >> they >> must be IE only sites.. >> >> Thanks and Happy New Year to all! >> >> c >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 19:03:27 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 19:03:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70912300947k4f75c277se7772a203727652@mail.gmail.com> <4B3B9AC7.4000001@gmail.com> <4B3B9E7C.6030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301703m40a0c8e1pa63659764a684c9c@mail.gmail.com> I'm using FF 3.0.16 ran across 2 sites in the last 2 days that are only IE..c On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nate wrote: > On 12/30/09 12:24 PM, Michael wrote: > >> However, I have to say that I don't come >> across many sites that do not display properly in FF 2.0.0.20 which is >> what I am currently using. >> >> > > FF 2? Seriously? Why are you using such an old browser? > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 19:16:04 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 30 19:16:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912301659h14dfe727ta4ab7eb93c206226@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912301659h14dfe727ta4ab7eb93c206226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3BFB54.60909@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > this box isn't that old but no can't get flash to work right..c Cheryl, it's not the box, but the software. Lets try to figure it out. If you can open up a command line window and run the following commands, maybe we can see something. Just paste the answers in a reply: uname -a cat /proc/cpuinfo ls -l /usr/lib/firefox*/plugins For instance, below is what mine looks like. You can also go to the firefox address line and type in about:plugins. Just paste those results too. Don't worry about formatting. -- Bruce $ uname -a Linux lfs6 2.6.22.5 #3 SMP PREEMPT Fri Mar 7 12:50:26 CST 2008 i686 pentium4 i386 GNU/Linux $cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 4 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 3192.219 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 3 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr bogomips : 6389.72 clflush size : 64 processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 4 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 3192.219 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 3 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr bogomips : 6384.50 clflush size : 64 $ ls -l /usr/lib/firefox*/plugins /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/plugins: total 7084 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7040036 Apr 29 2009 libflashplayer.so -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 15820 Nov 16 2008 libnullplugin.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179552 May 3 2009 nppdf.so From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 20:26:35 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Dec 30 20:26:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3BFB54.60909@gmail.com> References: <4B3BA3B8.7060900@gmail.com> <4B3BAD00.6090702@gmail.com> <7e4994a70912301659h14dfe727ta4ab7eb93c206226@mail.gmail.com> <4B3BFB54.60909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70912301826o7bad82f4q2883c6f0acfe79a@mail.gmail.com> okie dokie Bruce will do but first need to let my eye rest up. Kinda got overwhelmed with all the fast answers/replies I already recd so brain is dead and so is my poor old eye at the moment! I did look at the FF exts, add ons and [lugins and I don't know what I am looking for...it wouldn't let me copy and paste the contents tho.. Will open a terminal after I rest up a bit then copy and paste it in a reply..thanks! c. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> this box isn't that old but no can't get flash to work right..c >> > > Cheryl, it's not the box, but the software. > > Lets try to figure it out. If you can open up a command line window and > run the following commands, maybe we can see something. Just paste the > answers in a reply: > > uname -a > cat /proc/cpuinfo > ls -l /usr/lib/firefox*/plugins > > For instance, below is what mine looks like. You can also go to the > firefox address line and type in about:plugins. Just paste those results > too. Don't worry about formatting. > > -- Bruce > > $ uname -a > Linux lfs6 2.6.22.5 #3 SMP PREEMPT Fri Mar 7 12:50:26 CST 2008 i686 > pentium4 i386 GNU/Linux > > $cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 15 > model : 4 > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz > stepping : 1 > cpu MHz : 3192.219 > cache size : 1024 KB > physical id : 0 > siblings : 2 > core id : 0 > cpu cores : 1 > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 3 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca > cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm > constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr > bogomips : 6389.72 > clflush size : 64 > > processor : 1 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 15 > model : 4 > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz > stepping : 1 > cpu MHz : 3192.219 > cache size : 1024 KB > physical id : 0 > siblings : 2 > core id : 0 > cpu cores : 1 > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 3 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca > cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm > constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr > bogomips : 6384.50 > clflush size : 64 > > $ ls -l /usr/lib/firefox*/plugins > > /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/plugins: > total 7084 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7040036 Apr 29 2009 libflashplayer.so > -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 15820 Nov 16 2008 libnullplugin.so > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179552 May 3 2009 nppdf.so > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Wed Dec 30 20:36:42 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Wed Dec 30 20:36:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70912301703m40a0c8e1pa63659764a684c9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091231023642.IJGM1.501545.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Yet there are other people such as myself being a technican that we have to use software from manufacturers to access the technical info and they made a plugin for IE that won't work after ver 7 and it don't work with anything else. Believe me, I voiced my opinioin and continue to do so every time i have to talk to them. (It is Xerox for those that are curious) Richard ---- Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I'm using FF 3.0.16 > > ran across 2 sites in the last 2 days that are only IE..c > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nate wrote: > > > On 12/30/09 12:24 PM, Michael wrote: > > > >> However, I have to say that I don't come > >> across many sites that do not display properly in FF 2.0.0.20 which is > >> what I am currently using. > >> > >> > > > > FF 2? Seriously? Why are you using such an old browser? > > > > > > ~Nate > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 21:54:13 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate) Date: Wed Dec 30 21:54:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <20091231023642.IJGM1.501545.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> References: <20091231023642.IJGM1.501545.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Message-ID: <4B3C2065.3010008@gmail.com> On 12/30/09 8:36 PM, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > Yet there are other people such as myself being a technican that we have to use software from manufacturers to access the technical info and they made a plugin for IE that won't work after ver 7 and it don't work with anything else. Believe me, I voiced my opinioin and continue to do so every time i have to talk to them. (It is Xerox for those that are curious) > I have a couple of clients that insist on IE 6 for similar reasons. Fortunately, that doesn't happen as often any more. I have never heard of a requirement for FF 2, though. ~Nate From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 22:07:42 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Dec 30 22:08:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: <4B3C2065.3010008@gmail.com> References: <20091231023642.IJGM1.501545.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> <4B3C2065.3010008@gmail.com> Message-ID: Very simple solution to all of this. View -> Page Style -> No Style. Voila! Problem solved. Everything will lay out in a single column flat format. No overlapping images and text. AdBlock Plus just makes it that much better. E On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Nate wrote: > On 12/30/09 8:36 PM, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > >> Yet there are other people such as myself being a technican that we have >> to use software from manufacturers to access the technical info and they >> made a plugin for IE that won't work after ver 7 and it don't work with >> anything else. Believe me, I voiced my opinioin and continue to do so every >> time i have to talk to them. (It is Xerox for those that are curious) >> >> > > I have a couple of clients that insist on IE 6 for similar reasons. > Fortunately, that doesn't happen as often any more. I have never heard of a > requirement for FF 2, though. > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mmorse757 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 00:06:39 2009 From: mmorse757 at gmail.com (J. Michael Morse) Date: Thu Dec 31 00:06:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 Message-ID: Does anyone on the list use PCLinuxOS? I inadvertently hit the wrong key while in Synaptic and my email program changed from TB 2.0.0.20 to TB 3.something or another. How do I manipulate Synaptic to show me previous versions of Thunderbird? From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 04:05:07 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Dec 31 04:05:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:30:38 -0600, Robert Pearson > wrote: > > >>The Times They Are A'Changin > > > Thanks for posting those links. The Cloud is a big topic right now, and > it's important to understand it. However, "this too shall pass." > > > Now tell me how this great central Mull-Ticks Castle differs from the > new, improved Castle in the Fog of today? Be sure to mention Sidekick > and Gmail (and even AT&T 3G) as shining examples of too-big-to-fail > technologies. --Don How true... How true... Nothing ever changes - only our perception of it? Joni says it all... [Posted by me on StorageMojo at:] I gave up any hope of getting hybrid SSD + ?rotating rust? devices about a year ago. In the last 6 months things have really been changing for the better in the SSD + ?rotating rust? world. I am not sure that tiering or even ?dynamic tiering? will be the final answer. It will be a good incremental step. ?Clouds? are driving some interesting changes. One of those is the move away from managing at the ?spindle? level, which is where we have been for too long. The next move needs to be away from the lack of leadership from the ROI, ROCE, ??? area (management) that is needed by the local ?care and feeding? personnel in the TCO, CAPEX, OPEX, ??? area. You must have income growth to survive. Controlling expenses is necessary but not as important as income growth. ?Clouds? are expensive but they stimulate income growth by delivering ?Value Add? Services within the defined TCO. We now get ?fries? and possibly a ?Pepsi? with our ?cheeseburger? (Unit of Information). The ?Cloud? management tools are still missing. Perhaps because there is no leadership from vendors. That leadership would come in the form of a definable Strategy. Joni Mitchell said it well in her song? Rows and flows of angel hair And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I?ve looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way I?ve looked at clouds from both sides now, from up and down, and still somehow it?s cloud illusions I recall. I really don?t know clouds at all. From hc at lookcee.com Thu Dec 31 07:03:53 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Dec 31 07:03:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4B3CA139.9030607@lookcee.com> Robert Pearson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Don Wright wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:30:38 -0600, Robert Pearson >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The Times They Are A'Changin >>> >> Thanks for posting those links. The Cloud is a big topic right now, and >> it's important to understand it. However, "this too shall pass." >> >> > > >> Now tell me how this great central Mull-Ticks Castle differs from the >> new, improved Castle in the Fog of today? Be sure to mention Sidekick >> and Gmail (and even AT&T 3G) as shining examples of too-big-to-fail >> technologies. --Don >> > > How true... How true... Nothing ever changes - only our perception of it? > > Joni says it all... > [Posted by me on StorageMojo at:] > > > I gave up any hope of getting hybrid SSD + ?rotating rust? devices > about a year ago. In the last 6 months things have really been > changing for the better in the SSD + ?rotating rust? world. I am not > sure that tiering or even ?dynamic tiering? will be the final answer. > It will be a good incremental step. ?Clouds? are driving some > interesting changes. One of those is the move away from managing at > the ?spindle? level, which is where we have been for too long. > The next move needs to be away from the lack of leadership from > the ROI, ROCE, ??? area (management) that is needed by the local ?care > and feeding? personnel in the TCO, CAPEX, OPEX, ??? area. You must > have income growth to survive. Controlling expenses is necessary but > not as important as income growth. ?Clouds? are expensive but they > stimulate income growth by delivering ?Value Add? Services within the > defined TCO. We now get ?fries? and possibly a ?Pepsi? with our > ?cheeseburger? (Unit of Information). > The ?Cloud? management tools are still missing. Perhaps because > there is no leadership from vendors. That leadership would come in the > form of a definable Strategy. > Joni Mitchell said it well in her song? > Rows and flows of angel hair > And ice cream castles in the air > And feather canyons everywhere > I?ve looked at clouds that way > But now they only block the sun > They rain and snow on everyone > So many things I would have done > But clouds got in my way > > I?ve looked at clouds from both sides now, > from up and down, and still somehow > it?s cloud illusions I recall. > I really don?t know clouds at all. LOL that's great Robert I copied this bit of praise from a how-to (forget where or what) so I will just use it since i can't say it better. Smoothly and fully working, thumb up on my both hand :-) hh From jbharrell at fusemeister.com Thu Dec 31 08:25:18 2009 From: jbharrell at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Thu Dec 31 08:25:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] IE websites In-Reply-To: References: <20091231023642.IJGM1.501545.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> <4B3C2065.3010008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3CB44E.1020009@fusemeister.com> I have a simple solution that let's me easily run IE6 or IE7 on Linux. Install "playonlinux" (http://www.playonlinux.com/en/) and use it to easily install the IE6/7 tool. You don't have to own a Windows? license to use PlayOnLinux. PlayOnLinux is based on Wine, and so profits from all its possibilities yet it keeps the user away from its complexity while exploiting some of its advanced functions. PlayOnLinux is a free software. PlayOnLinux uses Bash and Python Ernest De Leon wrote: > Very simple solution to all of this. View -> Page Style -> No Style. > > Voila! Problem solved. Everything will lay out in a single column flat > format. > > No overlapping images and text. > > AdBlock Plus just makes it that much better. > > E > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Nate wrote: > > >> On 12/30/09 8:36 PM, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: >> >> >>> Yet there are other people such as myself being a technican that we have >>> to use software from manufacturers to access the technical info and they >>> made a plugin for IE that won't work after ver 7 and it don't work with >>> anything else. Believe me, I voiced my opinioin and continue to do so every >>> time i have to talk to them. (It is Xerox for those that are curious) >>> >>> >>> >> I have a couple of clients that insist on IE 6 for similar reasons. >> Fortunately, that doesn't happen as often any more. I have never heard of a >> requirement for FF 2, though. >> >> >> ~Nate >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 10:30:32 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Dec 31 10:30:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home Cloud? In-Reply-To: <4B3BA4E6.3060600@lookcee.com> References: <4B3A3986.50905@gmail.com> <7prmj59qm4bfp9f75l73drgna9hrdta768@4ax.com> <4B3BA4E6.3060600@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:07:18 -0600, Herb Cee wrote: >Don Wright wrote: >> History lesson: Once there was a country where the people labored under >> oppressive burdens. 8<----snippity-doo-dah---->8 > >LOL not sure I understood any of that correlation Don but it was fun. >hh Translation help: Background of the "Computer Utility"; see GOALS http://www.multicians.org/f7y.html More background; interesting observation in Project History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics Transition to Unix http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050414215646742 Footnote 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC Further help available from the usual suspects. -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 13:06:48 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (Typing on an upside-down keyboard.) Date: Thu Dec 31 13:06:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: J. Michael Morse > Does anyone on the list use PCLinuxOS?? I inadvertently hit the wrong > key while in Synaptic and my email program changed from TB 2.0.0.20 to > TB 3.something or another.? How do I manipulate Synaptic to show me >? previous versions of Thunderbird? I don't think you can downgrade it in Synaptic. At least a search of their forums said it couldn't be done. Personally, I'd uninstall it in Synaptic. Download the older version I wanted directly from mozilla and install that one instead skipping Synaptic entirely. From mmorse757 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 13:19:07 2009 From: mmorse757 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Thu Dec 31 13:19:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 In-Reply-To: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200912311319.07326.mmorse757@gmail.com> On Thursday 31 December 2009 01:06:48 pm Typing on an upside-down keyboard. wrote: > > From: J. Michael Morse > > > > > > > > Does anyone on the list use PCLinuxOS?? I inadvertently hit the wrong > > key while in Synaptic and my email program changed from TB 2.0.0.20 to > > TB 3.something or another.? How do I manipulate Synaptic to show me > >? previous versions of Thunderbird? > > I don't think you can downgrade it in Synaptic. At least a search of their > forums said it couldn't be done. Personally, I'd uninstall it in Synaptic. > Download the older version I wanted directly from mozilla and install that > one instead skipping Synaptic entirely. Yes, it appears as though that is the route I'll have to take. However, it has been a while since I did the untar and install routine. I just don't understand why Synatpic has a "Force Version" option that is greyed out. Wish me luck . . . From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 13:35:39 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Dec 31 13:35:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 In-Reply-To: <200912311319.07326.mmorse757@gmail.com> References: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <200912311319.07326.mmorse757@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0qupj5d0nt6vu28bukq0bcnn30c38eqgb7@4ax.com> Michael wrote: >Typing on an upside-down keyboard. wrote: >> I don't think you can downgrade it in Synaptic. At least a search of their >> forums said it couldn't be done. Personally, I'd uninstall it in Synaptic. >> Download the older version I wanted directly from mozilla and install that >> one instead skipping Synaptic entirely. > > >Yes, it appears as though that is the route I'll have to take. However, it >has been a while since I did the untar and install routine. I just don't >understand why Synatpic has a "Force Version" option that is greyed out. >Wish me luck . . . Since you have Synaptic, do you have command-line Aptitude? Under Debian it allows selecting from the versions in any of the repositories enabled. Perhaps you need to enable repositories for other versions in Synaptic for PCLinuxOS, akin to the oldstable, stable, testing, and unstable repositories of Debian. Having only one repository could explain why versions other than 'current' aren't available. --Don -- 2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 14:59:12 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Dec 31 14:59:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCLinuxOS / Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 In-Reply-To: <200912311447.39826.mmorse757@gmail.com> References: <187823.70267.qm@web113519.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <200912311319.07326.mmorse757@gmail.com> <0qupj5d0nt6vu28bukq0bcnn30c38eqgb7@4ax.com> <200912311447.39826.mmorse757@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3D10A0.6060004@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > couldn't find anything similar to stable, testing, etc. > > I googled package conversion and found a package called ALIEN. It is supposed > to convert between .rpms and .debs, etc., but as far as I could tell, it > doesn't convert .tar.gz into .debs. Is there such a program that will > convert file.tar.gz into file.deb? Why do you need that? You just need to: tar -xf filename.tar.gz and it is extracted. -- Bruce