From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 00:42:17 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Sep 1 00:42:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] thank you too, Borris! cheryl Message-ID: <7e4994a70808312242r77c4463xb06eb227ff44166d@mail.gmail.com> -- From buckmiester35 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 00:46:01 2008 From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner) Date: Mon Sep 1 00:46:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Not that ISPs dont like LINUX Message-ID: Most people who get hired as tech support do based on Windows OS knowledge. Even the A+ help desk certification tests Windows OS knowledge. Linux does have plenty of individuals qualified to do technical support for Linux as a Desktop OS but it usually ex Windows users that need the most help. As for making network choices for Internet access and being a linux user here what you need to know: a) NDIS (windows device driver) can be used in Linux and you can configure your machine with Samba which will give you windows network access. b) Choose Vmware player or workstation and get a Windows OS virtual appliance. That way if you need to access only microsoft type requirements , you can do so within Linux. c) Another choice is choosing a proxy server provider as your ISP with a generic TCP/IP address (NAT of course) Then just put the address in your network config file d) Dont go to Mobile phone companies for net access because they normally support business account or self-employed types. Go to local ISPs who will work with you on access requirements for residences. Reggie Buckner From e2eiod at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 01:02:42 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Mon Sep 1 01:02:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: culture question (Bruce Dubbs) In-Reply-To: <40c179300808281826h47e33a48wd56a49ea828e5018@mail.gmail.com> References: <40c179300808281826h47e33a48wd56a49ea828e5018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Jason Meridth wrote: > Leading with this: I was a jackass earlier and allowed my passion for my > "current" coding standards to allow me to perfectly emulate the > characteristics that Bruce mentioned (immature, arrogant, egotistical, > etc). > > I apologize. > > I normally would not apologize for my passion but after reading my own > responses to Bruce, they were unfair and I took his responses way too > personal. I will give a person the benefit of the doubt that they were not > attacking me personally, especially over an emotionless medium such as > email. > > Borries > 1. You are correct about single vs. mutliple or even maintenance > programmers. When you use words like, "may" and "but not necessarily", it > shows situational circumstance. I agree completely. > > David > 1. I'm chilling ;) > 2. Agreed that a lazy programmer is a non-committed programmer. > > Bruce > 1. Your 2nd response was professional > 2. Your 1st response used words like egotistical, and an implied assumption > that I thought I was a genius. Those led me to taking it personal. I > apologize. > 3. You sound like you've done your research and I'd actually like to read > your thesis. Google has proved unfriendly to me. Can you send me in the > right direction. > 4. I want to avoid a flame war. > > Alan > 1. I understand your approach > 2. I don't want a flame war. > > I would love to contribute to this group and maybe, with help from the "grey > beards" learn a few things and maybe teach a few? > > I learn from my mistakes and this one will be immortalized in the SATLUG > archives. > -- > --- > Jason Meridth > "There is no spoon" > -- The original goal was to have "self-documenting" code to free programmers from what was regarded as "trivial house-keeping" rather than programming. The new programmer environments, specifically "gaming", practice minimum to "no" documentation for fear of having the code easily stolen. There are instances where the documentation is deliberately incorrect so as to be misleading. Some "self-documenting" progress has been made in JAVA. The most impressive "self-documenting" tool I have seen lately, other than my own, is XDoclet. Using variable names and standard structures correctly is not only good programming but a real help in "self-documentation". But it is not everything. The new Perl 6 Parrot is the wave of the future for programming. It has "error correction", "self-documentation", "test suites" and "portability" built into it. Basically you come up with a basic algorithm, type it into the input and the Parrot produces finished code to the Perl standards. The most powerful feature is that you can easily customize it to the "The Standards Required for Your Code". This removes a great deal of not really "creative programming" effort from really creative programmers. All the new language development structures will have these features. They can be added to "legacy" languages if the need can be cost justified. The bottom line has always been to increase the number of lines of working, "tested", easily modifiable, and maintainable code. Think in terms of structure and flow "At a Glance". Some pages in books do not yield their true meaning "At a Glance". Sometimes it takes 3 passes and some thinking. Robert From e2eiod at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 01:16:34 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Mon Sep 1 01:16:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] how can I check the hardware in Hardy In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450808301608v633290e6h3ddd272a5ee76c60@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70808270656o2be19471g6746ee45fef454e5@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0808270704l79ad2670y6b2c9e5c1b90ac19@mail.gmail.com> <48B696D5.1000702@grandecom.net> <48B956D9.6060000@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <48B9B7A8.6060001@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4c0ec4450808301608v633290e6h3ddd272a5ee76c60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, John Pappas wrote: > OpenSuse does not bundle `lshw`, nor does it appear that any standard repo > has it available (WebPin: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/). > > >From http://ezix.org/project/wiki/HardwareLiSter: > > Mandriva Linux includes lshw as a standard > package. > Gentoo Linux also > bundles > lshw. > Debian packages are > availablefor many platforms. > Fedora now includes lshw: > > $ sudo yum install lshw lshw-gui > > to install lshw and its GUI. > > Slackware packages are maintained by Marco > Antonio Frias and available on > LinuxPackages > > Pre-compiled RPMs for RedHat Linux (7.x & 9), RedHat Enterprise Linux (2 & > 3) and Fedora Core (1, 2 & 3) are available from Dag Wieers' > repository. > > HTH, > jp > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 16:12, Geoff wrote: > >> tsuehpsyde wrote: >> > It is it's own package. apt-get install lshw ;) >> > >> > apt-cache search lshw >> > lshw-gtk - information about hardware configuration >> > lshw - information about hardware configuration >> > >> > >> >> What package is lshw included in? It's not in _openSuSE 10.3_ >> >> >> >> >> apt-get isn't in openSuSE 10.3 (at least on -my- system. However, that >> doesn't mean apt-* won't work on SuSE, as I've heard people talk about) >> >> >> -- openSUSE uses "hwinfo" which seems to me to be a better tool than lshw. Synaptic Package Manager shows "hwinfo" available for Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.04. I would install "hwinfo" instead of "lshw" any day. Robert From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Sep 1 10:19:51 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:18:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] serious competition for Linux :-( Message-ID: <200809011519.m81FJpKN019642@biochem.uthscsa.edu> http://www.truveo.com/instalando-o-windows-vista-em-2-minutos/id/4109930471 -b. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Sep 1 15:01:01 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Sep 1 15:01:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: <48B38A7D.5080903@grandecom.net> References: <48B370CA.6080206@grandecom.net> <48B38A7D.5080903@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <48BC49FD.2080207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Chris wrote: > That's very generous but I think they have or are willing to buy new > hardware. > They lack the knowledge of whats needed to replace/update their aging > server setup. > I thought about a wrt54g, but will it support 20 clients? > I was under the impression that 10 was the usable limit. > Their current web page is pretty flat, no flash or PHP. thank goodness for holidays, that allow me to catch up on backlogged email. I'm pretty sure the range of IP addresses can be configured in the wireless router to whatever you need. There's no 10 address limit, that I'm aware of. -Geoff From mckinneyb at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:03:04 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Mon Sep 1 18:03:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: <48BC49FD.2080207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48B370CA.6080206@grandecom.net> <48B38A7D.5080903@grandecom.net> <48BC49FD.2080207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I think the address limit on a wrt54g is 254, with the default limit being 50. Your usable limit should only rely on your bandwidth, since the the 54g has a 10/100 WAN link. Also, I would think it can support more wireless users than hardwired since wireless g has an inherent 54Mbs cap. -Brian On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Geoff wrote: > Chris wrote: > > That's very generous but I think they have or are willing to buy new > > hardware. > > They lack the knowledge of whats needed to replace/update their aging > > server setup. > > I thought about a wrt54g, but will it support 20 clients? > > I was under the impression that 10 was the usable limit. > > Their current web page is pretty flat, no flash or PHP. > > thank goodness for holidays, that allow me to catch up on backlogged email. > > I'm pretty sure the range of IP addresses can be configured in the > wireless router to whatever you need. There's no 10 address limit, that > I'm aware of. > > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 1 18:18:56 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Mon Sep 1 18:19:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest Message-ID: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> I hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. Hopefully you are not totally partied out. Please remember that the next InstallFest is this next Saturday, 9:00 a.m., NTC 105/106, San Antonio College. More and more people are bringing laptops, so I hope to see a big crowd of workers. Steve From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:32:14 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Sep 1 18:32:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? Message-ID: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> I rehooked up moms pc at her house but when I open Firefox, it keeps saying I'm offline and to change my browser settings (I guess to work online) but I can't seem to make it do that automatically...always work online when the browser's open. Is there a sudo command or something I should do? I do go into "file" work offline and click that everytime but it would be easier if she didn't have to do that all the time... Another page she normally read won't open either...I get this message "firefox prevented this page from autoreloading" and keeps flashing an "allow" button I have to keep clicking it on the allow button for it to keep trying to reload to open the page. Is there a fix for this? Is there something I can enter in "terminal" or some place else so it won't keep asking me to allow the page to be reloaded ...and so it will just keep trying on it's own? Mom's using dialup again now...she has always had trouble getting this one site to open..but it opens just fine in my dsl...here's the site http://www.sheboyganpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! cheryl From christopher at chriaxx.com Mon Sep 1 18:32:28 2008 From: christopher at chriaxx.com (Christopher Clyne) Date: Mon Sep 1 18:32:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having a problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution and am too new to Linux to really understand the work around. At this InstallFest at SAC will someone be able to assist with the Wireless problem I am having or not? I really would like to become more familiar with Linux, this is why I joined this list. Also is there anything I need to do to my computer before the Installfest? And what I need to bring with me. From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:36:13 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate@gmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 1 19:36:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> Message-ID: <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:32 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a > computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell > Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have > tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having a > problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution and > am too new to Linux to really understand the work around. Well, considering that Dell sells the 1420 with Ubuntu it shouldn't be very difficult getting it all to work. However, the version they sell has the Intel wireless 3945 card in it. It sounds like that is not the one you have. If you could find out which wireless chipset you have in your laptop, it will help when you get to the installfest. ~Nate From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Sep 1 19:47:14 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Sep 1 19:47:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? Message-ID: >I rehooked up moms pc at her house but when I open Firefox, it keeps saying >I'm offline and to change my browser settings (I guess to work online) but I >can't seem to make it do that automatically...always work online when the >browser's open. Is there a sudo command or something I should do? I do go >into "file" work offline and click that everytime but it would be easier if >she didn't have to do that all the time... Click on " File " (scroll down), and see if there's a "check mark" to the left of "work offline." If it's checked, click it (work offline) and then click file again to be sure it's now " un-checked" and you should be good to go. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:59:31 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 1 19:59:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: References: <48B370CA.6080206@grandecom.net> <48B38A7D.5080903@grandecom.net> <48BC49FD.2080207@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: That's correct, and herein lies the 'rub' so to speak. If the primary usage for these clients is internet connectivity, you will be limited by your bandwidth before the WRT54G even comes into play. Most residential/SMB connections range from 1.5Mb to around 10Mb (there are others above and below the average.) With that in mind, a wireless B or 10Mb wired is plenty enough for internet connectivity. It isn't until you consider transfer of files within the network that wireless g/n or 100/1000 Mb even matter (again this is ignoring range benefits etc.) With all that said, I would assume the library has a DSL or business Cable (TWC? Grande?) connection which probably tops out at 10 Mb/s. As Brian pointed out, the client limit on a WRT54G is 254 clients with the default DHCP lease pool set at 50 addresses. The only limitation you may see with the WRT54G is that you may have more than 4 wired connections and may have to throw an unmanaged (dumb) switch in there with more ports to handle additional wired clients. I have set up a few coffee shops/internet cafes with simple WRT54Gs and they work like a charm. Last I remember, the default firmware doesn't allow for QoS, but flashed with DDWRT or HyperWRT, the unit becomes infinitely more powerful and flexible. You would be surprised how robust a WRT54G actually is. Too bad the small business editions of their wireless N routers with VPN don't work nearly as well. I can say, however, that linkysys has pretty much perfected the WRT54G over time and trial. I would highly recommend it for this situation unless you know of something that is a show stopper in the library's current setup. The way I would do it is hook up the WRT54G to the modem, hook up the server to one of the LAN ports, then grab an unmanaged switch and plug the wired clients into that (assuming there are more than 3) while in turn 'uplinking' that switch to the WRT54G. This setup should be more than enough for the library. Also, the default dhcp lease pool starts at .100 (IIRC), so .2-.99 should be good for any static IPs that you need to use. HTH Ernest On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Brian McKinney wrote: > I think the address limit on a wrt54g is 254, with the default limit being > 50. Your usable limit should only rely on your bandwidth, since the the > 54g > has a 10/100 WAN link. Also, I would think it can support more wireless > users than hardwired since wireless g has an inherent 54Mbs cap. > > -Brian > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Geoff wrote: > > > Chris wrote: > > > That's very generous but I think they have or are willing to buy new > > > hardware. > > > They lack the knowledge of whats needed to replace/update their aging > > > server setup. > > > I thought about a wrt54g, but will it support 20 clients? > > > I was under the impression that 10 was the usable limit. > > > Their current web page is pretty flat, no flash or PHP. > > > > thank goodness for holidays, that allow me to catch up on backlogged > email. > > > > I'm pretty sure the range of IP addresses can be configured in the > > wireless router to whatever you need. There's no 10 address limit, that > > I'm aware of. > > > > -Geoff > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Sep 1 20:01:45 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:01:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? Message-ID: <98a62b4b75554453b8bcb74269f79cb9.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Another page she normally read won't open either...I get this message >firefox prevented this page from autoreloading" and keeps flashing an >"allow" button I have to keep clicking it on the allow button for it to keep >trying to reload to open the page. Is there a fix for this? Click on the following sequentially " Tools - Options - Content " and see if " Load Pages Automatically " is checked. If not "check it" and you should be good to go. Lou From mckinneyb at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:04:24 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:04:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Check out these threads: http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&forumId=1&comments_parentId=60433 http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=11503&forumId=1 http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=en-US&comments_parentId=38307&forumId=1 Depending on what distro you're using there could be an issue with your network connection that tricks firefox into thinking it's offline. Are you using wireless? This addon might also make life a bit easier until you figure out the issue :) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/493 -Brian On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I rehooked up moms pc at her house but when I open Firefox, it keeps saying > I'm offline and to change my browser settings (I guess to work online) but > I > can't seem to make it do that automatically...always work online when the > browser's open. Is there a sudo command or something I should do? I do go > into "file" work offline and click that everytime but it would be easier if > she didn't have to do that all the time... > > Another page she normally read won't open either...I get this message > "firefox prevented this page from autoreloading" and keeps flashing an > "allow" button I have to keep clicking it on the allow button for it to > keep > trying to reload to open the page. Is there a fix for this? Is there > something I can enter in "terminal" or some place else so it won't keep > asking me to allow the page to be reloaded ...and so it will just keep > trying on it's own? Mom's using dialup again now...she has always had > trouble getting this one site to open..but it opens just fine in my > dsl...here's the site > http://www.sheboyganpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- -Brian From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:07:42 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:07:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] alternative to Linux? Message-ID: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good alternative to Linux? Thank You! cheryl > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:19:51 -0500 (CDT) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: [SATLUG] serious competition for Linux :-( > To: satlug@satlug.org (Satlug Mailing List) > Message-ID: <200809011519.m81FJpKN019642@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > http://www.truveo.com/instalando-o-windows-vista-em-2-minutos/id/4109930471 > > -b. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 > ************************************* > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:11:12 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:11:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Not that ISPs dont like LINUX Message-ID: <7e4994a70809011811m15cdf287qa60f966ff37b021e@mail.gmail.com> > > Reggie, this sounds like great advice even if I don't understand most of > it! cheryl > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > M From trunty at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:30:08 2008 From: trunty at gmail.com (Travis Runty) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:30:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] alternative to Linux? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8645e54d0809011830y5591b7eer10454506ba537301@mail.gmail.com> Are you asking if a shredder and Vista combo is a good alternative to linux? If so then I dont think this combo is better than linux, however, Vista seemed to look pretty good going through that shredder... :) On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > alternative to Linux? Thank You! cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:19:51 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Borries Demeler > > Subject: [SATLUG] serious competition for Linux :-( > > To: satlug@satlug.org (Satlug Mailing List) > > Message-ID: <200809011519.m81FJpKN019642@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > http://www.truveo.com/instalando-o-windows-vista-em-2-minutos/id/4109930471 > > > > -b. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 > > ************************************* > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.travisrunty.com From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Sep 1 20:32:31 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:32:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? Message-ID: <7842652cbed8483c8aaaa6ec957eac4f.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Cheryl did you do the things I suggested, and is Firefox working correctly now, both on-line and auto-reloading ? Lou From christopher at chriaxx.com Mon Sep 1 20:40:49 2008 From: christopher at chriaxx.com (Christopher Clyne) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:40:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> I guess my wireless chipset would be.... Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN mini-card. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of pixelnate@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:36 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] InstallFest On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:32 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a > computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell > Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have > tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having a > problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution and > am too new to Linux to really understand the work around. Well, considering that Dell sells the 1420 with Ubuntu it shouldn't be very difficult getting it all to work. However, the version they sell has the Intel wireless 3945 card in it. It sounds like that is not the one you have. If you could find out which wireless chipset you have in your laptop, it will help when you get to the installfest. ~Nate -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Sep 1 20:50:51 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Sep 1 20:49:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] alternative to Linux? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809020150.m821opXO023181@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Sorry, it was meant sarcastically ... :-) -b. > > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > alternative to Linux? Thank You! cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:19:51 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Borries Demeler > > Subject: [SATLUG] serious competition for Linux :-( > > To: satlug@satlug.org (Satlug Mailing List) > > Message-ID: <200809011519.m81FJpKN019642@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > http://www.truveo.com/instalando-o-windows-vista-em-2-minutos/id/4109930471 > > > > -b. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 > > ************************************* > > > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 22:35:26 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Mon Sep 1 22:35:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580809012035w51cc0f39w9e32613f19b84532@mail.gmail.com> My personal experience is that the problem is not Firefox but NetworkManager. In my case Firefox, Pidgin, Evolution were all starting offline. After NetworkManager is turned off, everything seems to work fine. My clumsy solution at this point is first start Firefox (that will start NetworkManager) then kill NetworkManager. This can be done through the System Monitor. Applications> System Tools>System Monitor. Or by killing the process from the CLI. Charles On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I rehooked up moms pc at her house but when I open Firefox, it keeps saying > I'm offline and to change my browser settings (I guess to work online) but > I > can't seem to make it do that automatically...always work online when the > browser's open. Is there a sudo command or something I should do? I do go > into "file" work offline and click that everytime but it would be easier if > she didn't have to do that all the time... > > Another page she normally read won't open either...I get this message > "firefox prevented this page from autoreloading" and keeps flashing an > "allow" button I have to keep clicking it on the allow button for it to > keep > trying to reload to open the page. Is there a fix for this? Is there > something I can enter in "terminal" or some place else so it won't keep > asking me to allow the page to be reloaded ...and so it will just keep > trying on it's own? Mom's using dialup again now...she has always had > trouble getting this one site to open..but it opens just fine in my > dsl...here's the site > http://www.sheboyganpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 2 03:24:29 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 2 03:24:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> [CCing XCSSA.ORG. as this is right up our alley] On Sunday 31 August 2008 12:15:36 pm John D Choate wrote: [...] > Unfortunately, that laptop has one of those swivel screens to convert it to > tablet-like use. The rest of the specs can all be beat by new laptops in > the 500-700 dollar range. Actually John... You've just stumbled upon the tip of what I would call the tip of the "small-tech geek iceburg". Geek History Time... The Fujitsu Lifebooks have been much sought after by small-tech geeks since the 90s. The Lifebook line (and other sub-2lb "book sized" notebooks) have traditionally catered to the Japanese and some specialty markets. But these cute little wonders unknowingly developed many US/UK followers over the years too (yours truly included). Other examples of this well established Japanese market are some that you may of heard of, some you haven't: Toshiba Libretto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libretto_(notebook) IBM PC110: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm Gatway Handbook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Handbook (I had one of these.. :) Many of these available in various forms from the mid 90's mind you... :) Some of which went on to spawn the "Handhelds" revolution (e.g. the Zaurus, PDA, etc) and now to what we have currently have with Palm, Treos, WinCE & M$'s "PocketPC" and the Blackberry. Anyway... This ultraportable notebook market from the 90s has always been rock solid in places like Japan where companies like IBM, Fujitsu, Sony and others marketed this class of machine as a "Biblio" (or book), so they've always been more common there in Japan. But for us Americans, for years we could only hope to glean such tiny little dreams (like the Japanese-only released lifebooks, special versions of the Zaurus, and other micro laptops) from specialty web sites like http://www.dynamism.com/. That's where ultraportable had to go to gawk at, and sometimes scrape together enough to actually buy one of these expensive little units. Although once every few years, the market would mutate into an R&D/test-market platform and sometimes spill over onto the niche shelves of CompUSA where a few dozen would be sold and then disappear (e.g. Zaurus, Nokia, etc). Back in the 90s, however, ultraportable laptops like the Lifebooks demanded a pretty hefty price tag (between $2-3,000 US). However... now since this "little laptop" market has hit the US/UK market and gone mainstream (Finally! thank you OLTPC and Asus!), the high-price bias for tiny laptops has crashed. The whole "Little Laps" market now even sports it's own shiny new English acronym "UMPC" (for Ultra-Mobile PC as opposed to the Japanese "Biblio" term)... Anyway, there are now dozens of UMPC sites and communities popping up around this mini-market: Many of which are leveraging the new Intel Atom line of small/powerful procs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorne_(CPU) Anyway.. It's the 21st century now... and Fujitsu ain't the only kid on the block any longer. But they ARE on top of things and are now also redefining their own product line to cater to this "new market": Fujitsu Amilo Mini: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/08/meet-fujitsu-amilo-mini-ui-3520-netbook.html The irony being.. it's a market that they themselves unknowingly spawned over ten years ago in Japan.. hehe :) Tweeks From leif at paisd.net Tue Sep 2 06:23:27 2008 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Tue Sep 2 07:17:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] please help..how do I...? In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580809012035w51cc0f39w9e32613f19b84532@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809011632t3b8d6a86x645afd4ecc53aa7d@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580809012035w51cc0f39w9e32613f19b84532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> can't seem to make it do that automatically...always work online when the >> browser's open. Is there a sudo command or something I should do? In Firefox; Go to file -> work offline and deselect. Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 2 07:22:54 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Sep 2 07:23:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] alternative to Linux? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809011807y7d87bf4cqf264c4738d0c468c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220358174.6420.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Did you watch the video? I think that you mised the irony if you had? Todd On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:07 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > alternative to Linux? Thank You! cheryl > From mckinneyb at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 07:38:09 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Tue Sep 2 07:38:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: I saw a ton of librettos floating around Defcon still this year. Like you said the market is taking off for sub-notebooks (or netbooks as their being called). EEPCs are becoming much more common as well. Personally, I wouldn't mind picking up an apsire one (http://www.acer.com/aspireone/). The array of choices keeps getting better it seems. -Brian On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Tweeks wrote: > [CCing XCSSA.ORG. as this is right up our alley] > > On Sunday 31 August 2008 12:15:36 pm John D Choate wrote: > [...] > > Unfortunately, that laptop has one of those swivel screens to convert it > to > > tablet-like use. The rest of the specs can all be beat by new laptops in > > the 500-700 dollar range. > > Actually John... You've just stumbled upon the tip of what I would call the > tip of the "small-tech geek iceburg". > > Geek History Time... > > The Fujitsu Lifebooks have been much sought after by small-tech geeks since > the 90s. The Lifebook line (and other sub-2lb "book sized" notebooks) have > traditionally catered to the Japanese and some specialty markets. But > these > cute little wonders unknowingly developed many US/UK followers over the > years > too (yours truly included). Other examples of this well established > Japanese > market are some that you may of heard of, some you haven't: > > Toshiba Libretto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libretto_(notebook) > IBM PC110: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm > Gatway Handbook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Handbook > (I had one of these.. :) > > Many of these available in various forms from the mid 90's mind you... :) > Some of which went on to spawn the "Handhelds" revolution (e.g. the Zaurus, > PDA, etc) and now to what we have currently have with Palm, Treos, WinCE & > M$'s "PocketPC" and the Blackberry. > > Anyway... This ultraportable notebook market from the 90s has always been > rock > solid in places like Japan where companies like IBM, Fujitsu, Sony and > others > marketed this class of machine as a "Biblio" (or book), so they've always > been more common there in Japan. But for us Americans, for years we could > only hope to glean such tiny little dreams (like the Japanese-only released > lifebooks, special versions of the Zaurus, and other micro laptops) from > specialty web sites like http://www.dynamism.com/. That's where > ultraportable had to go to gawk at, and sometimes scrape together enough to > actually buy one of these expensive little units. Although once every few > years, the market would mutate into an R&D/test-market platform and > sometimes > spill over onto the niche shelves of CompUSA where a few dozen would be > sold > and then disappear (e.g. Zaurus, Nokia, etc). > > Back in the 90s, however, ultraportable laptops like the Lifebooks demanded > a > pretty hefty price tag (between $2-3,000 US). However... now since > this "little laptop" market has hit the US/UK market and gone mainstream > (Finally! thank you OLTPC and Asus!), the high-price bias for tiny laptops > has crashed. The whole "Little Laps" market now even sports it's own shiny > new English acronym "UMPC" (for Ultra-Mobile PC as opposed to the > Japanese "Biblio" term)... Anyway, there are now dozens of UMPC sites and > communities popping up around this mini-market: > > > Many of which are leveraging the new Intel Atom line of small/powerful > procs: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorne_(CPU) > > Anyway.. It's the 21st century now... and Fujitsu ain't the only kid on the > block any longer. But they ARE on top of things and are now also > redefining > their own product line to cater to this "new market": > Fujitsu Amilo Mini: > > http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/08/meet-fujitsu-amilo-mini-ui-3520-netbook.html > > The irony being.. it's a market that they themselves unknowingly spawned > over > ten years ago in Japan.. > hehe :) > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From leif at paisd.net Tue Sep 2 07:08:08 2008 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Tue Sep 2 08:02:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Brian McKinney wrote: > I saw a ton of librettos floating around Defcon still this year. Like you > said the market is taking off for sub-notebooks (or netbooks as their being > called). EEPCs are becoming much more common as well. Personally, I > wouldn't mind picking up an apsire one (http://www.acer.com/aspireone/). > The array of choices keeps getting better it seems. > > -Brian > I bought a LC2000 series 12' from Linux Certified last year and it's been great. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100s.html. It's compact enough to carry around and powerful enough for heavy lifting. I love it. Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Sep 2 09:19:25 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:19:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> Message-ID: <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Check out this wall paper...I know that this will not be too usefull to most on this list, but given that install fest is this weekend, it may very well help the noobs.... http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Linux-Unix+command +guide?content=88383 Todd On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:40 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > I guess my wireless chipset would be.... Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN mini-card. > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of pixelnate@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:36 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: RE: [SATLUG] InstallFest > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:32 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > > I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a > > computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell > > Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have > > tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having > a > > problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution > and > > am too new to Linux to really understand the work around. > > Well, considering that Dell sells the 1420 with Ubuntu it shouldn't be > very difficult getting it all to work. However, the version they sell > has the Intel wireless 3945 card in it. It sounds like that is not the > one you have. If you could find out which wireless chipset you have in > your laptop, it will help when you get to the installfest. > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us Tue Sep 2 09:41:19 2008 From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:41:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <48BD0A3F.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Or for the "trying-to-be's". Thanks! >>> "Todd W. Bucy" 09/02/2008 09:19 >>> Check out this wall paper...I know that this will not be too usefull to most on this list, but given that install fest is this weekend, it may very well help the noobs.... http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Linux-Unix+command +guide?content=88383 Todd On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:40 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > I guess my wireless chipset would be.... Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN mini-card. > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of pixelnate@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:36 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: RE: [SATLUG] InstallFest > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:32 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote: > > I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a > > computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell > > Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have > > tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having > a > > problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution > and > > am too new to Linux to really understand the work around. > > Well, considering that Dell sells the 1420 with Ubuntu it shouldn't be > very difficult getting it all to work. However, the version they sell > has the Intel wireless 3945 card in it. It sounds like that is not the > one you have. If you could find out which wireless chipset you have in > your laptop, it will help when you get to the installfest. > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:12:43 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:12:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: I have to admit that I'm elated at the fact that the 'netbook' market has exploded. Ever since I laid eyes on one of these tiny Sony laptops back in the late 90s (the model eludes me at the moment,) I knew there was a huge market for these things. Naturally, the biggest barrier was cost back then. I recently picked up an Asus EEEPC which was used 3 times (at half the cost new) and I'm pretty impressed with it. My main reason for buying it was travel. It weighs around 2 pounds and has everything I need already installed. After sitting around one day and thinking about what I would want in such a 'netbook' it came down to 2 things as absolute necessities and 1 nice to have. I absolutely needed a full featured web browser (like FF) and a terminal. An office suite (or word processing app at the least) was a nice to have, but I mainly use google apps now adays. As it turns out, the EEE had exactly what I needed in its default form. I boot Pupeee off an SDHC card (to RAM) and it absolutely flies. One blogger/writer had recently termed this new 'netbook' market explosion as 'the race to the bottom,' and I kind of like that approach. I've always said that we had let our machines (collectively) get out of hand (as far as power consumption and resource usage) due to bloated inefficient software. Hopefully this new phenomenon will cause overall efficiency to increase and software bloat to decrease. Longer battery life is a great benefit as well. Although I like the EEE, I will be getting the new Dell Inspiron 910 (assuming the specs/price line up well.) They are rumored to start selling on Sept. 4. They were previously rumored to start selling on Aug. 22, but you know how these internet rumors go. At any rate, I think the netbook market is one of the greatest things that could have happened to Linux (which works well on under-powered hardware) and I look forward to what this will bring. There is no way to get Vista to work on one of these things, so it seems as if M$ will have to rely on XP to battle with the lean and mean linux distributions. We already know where that will end up. Ernest On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Leif Johnson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Brian McKinney wrote: > > I saw a ton of librettos floating around Defcon still this year. Like you >> said the market is taking off for sub-notebooks (or netbooks as their >> being >> called). EEPCs are becoming much more common as well. Personally, I >> wouldn't mind picking up an apsire one (http://www.acer.com/aspireone/). >> The array of choices keeps getting better it seems. >> >> -Brian >> >> > I bought a LC2000 series 12' from Linux Certified last year and it's been > great. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100s.html. It's > compact enough to carry around and powerful enough for heavy lifting. I love > it. > > Sincerely, > Leif Johnson > (361) 749-1200 x. 316 > http://blog.paisd.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From buckmiester35 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 13:31:48 2008 From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:31:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux is an Alternative to Vistza Message-ID: > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > alternative to Linux? No it is not an better alternative to Linux at all. However it is about personal choice. With Windows Vista you get it automatically when you buy a notebook or desktop at your favorite computer store. Here is what you actually receive: An operating system that requires the most current hardware and lots of resources. Dont even bother to use Vista in less than 2GB of RAM. Must have at least 25-40GB of disk just for system files. Must be careful not to use 2K/XP programs ( the previous Windows releases). A OS that needs constant updates and security resources (spyware, malware, anti-virus, spam blok, personal firewall). Every software in Vista is pricely. Look at how much it costs to buy Office 2007 or Corel Word Perfect Office just for simple things. FYIP Linux is a FOSS package: So you dont pay for the OS and you can make as many copies you want and even share with family and friends. You also get a smaller OS that loads faster and can be used on less resources. However Linux Distributions are operating environments. Like a Patio is an environment where thee is furniture, rock gardens, barbecue grill and other accessories. When you see letters like KDE, Gnome, XCFE, Fluxbox, etc. these are accessories like what you would find in the patio. It makes the environment more useful. That is initial principle. Once you get that concept the rest is gravy... TTYL From astro at astr0.org Tue Sep 2 13:49:29 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:50:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux is an Alternative to Vistza Message-ID: <1194281074-1220381368-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-447611967-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Your being a tad too critical and misleading. You can use 2k/xp programs on vista. I do every day on my laptop (tri boot of vista, ubuntu and whenever I'm playing with this week). Software for vista isn't all expensive. I installed pidgin free of charge. Now official ms software like office is expensive, however so is everything else ms makes. I'd suggest you try using the os before completely bashing it. While I hate using a ms os as much as the next geek, vista has ran well for me, and I haven't had any major problems at all. I prefer linux, but sometimes windows is a necessary evil. Make your own choices. Do not be a sheep following the herd of others who bash a product simply because of the software giant who makes it. Try it out. Benchmark it. Do your daily work on it and see how it runs for you. Your opinions could mislead someone into believing that everything to ever come out of redmond is garbage, however, microsoft is, and will be king of the market share long after this thread dies. -b ------Original Message------ From: K. Reginald Buckner Sender: To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux is an Alternative to Vistza Sent: Sep 2, 2008 13:31 > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > alternative to Linux? No it is not an better alternative to Linux at all. However it is about personal choice. With Windows Vista you get it automatically when you buy a notebook or desktop at your favorite computer store. Here is what you actually receive: An operating system that requires the most current hardware and lots of resources. Dont even bother to use Vista in less than 2GB of RAM. Must have at least 25-40GB of disk just for system files. Must be careful not to use 2K/XP programs ( the previous Windows releases). A OS that needs constant updates and security resources (spyware, malware, anti-virus, spam blok, personal firewall). Every software in Vista is pricely. Look at how much it costs to buy Office 2007 or Corel Word Perfect Office just for simple things. FYIP Linux is a FOSS package: So you dont pay for the OS and you can make as many copies you want and even share with family and friends. You also get a smaller OS that loads faster and can be used on less resources. However Linux Distributions are operating environments. Like a Patio is an environment where thee is furniture, rock gardens, barbecue grill and other accessories. When you see letters like KDE, Gnome, XCFE, Fluxbox, etc. these are accessories like what you would find in the patio. It makes the environment more useful. That is initial principle. Once you get that concept the rest is gravy... TTYL -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:32:09 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Sep 2 15:32:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Does Linux have a way to configure a Cisco 7912 series VoIP phone? In-Reply-To: <48BD8AF0.8050501@comcast.net> References: <48BD8AF0.8050501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <869de8470809021332m384d54a9xd7b520fd032070fb@mail.gmail.com> I don't work for TWC, but I do work in the digital phone industry and I'm sad to say but you are asking the impossible. The way they have their network set up, you would actually be robbing yourself of the internet connection by using the setup you're proposing. here's why: Their modem that they gave you, I'd imagine is some kind of maybe a motorola device or SA Webstar device. This thing has two(or three) RF-facing interfaces. One for the data service which gets sent to the ethernet port by way of a losely configured bridge, one for monitoring and managment (for signal levels, firmware updates, hits, etc) and the last for dedicated VoIP traffic. In most installations with two outward interfaces, the first one is data, and the second one is VoIP/Managment. These aren't physical interfaces but logical ones. (think eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:2) The issue is that since TW provides a certain service level agreement they ensure that SLA will be met by overlaying a VoIP network in with their data network. The VoIP is closed-loop meaning that your phone call never traverses the Internet and terminates either at the local site (headend) or the regional site (uplink). TW does this overlay for two reasons, 1: to ensure compatibility they use only one or two brands of VoIP MTAs SA WebStar is the most common. and 2:Because the VoIP is closed loop, and to secure the voice network, the VoIP MTA is the only device that can properly talk to the VoIP network. (Regular HSD modems ignore that part of the configuration.) By using your own device (even though it IS a cisco and a decent voip phone, you potentially become a threat to that SLA (of course you wouldn't ever do that.) and there is no guarantee that you will be able to reach the VoIP network because your data-only modem will not even know the VoIP network exists. The SLA mentioned above isn't one of "we do it because we want to look good" things, (well not entirely). Because they also carry E911 service, the FCC mandates certain guidelines that must be kept, including interference from devices that cease to operate as programmed. In order to comply, they (TW) locked down the VoIP network to only those devices that they have tested and beaten with a stick, and smashed with a mallet, you get the idea. Here's the thing that a lot of people fail to understand about digital phone service (regardless if it's TW, Vonage, Comcast, Speakeasy, JoeBobVoIP, etc). When they say that you can use your existing jacks, they are correct provided that the apartment complex has an accessible network interface device (NID). This box is the demarcation point for all your unit's wiring between where your wiring stops and the legacy telco's wiring starts. In older apartments, this NID didn't really exist as the legacy providers (bells) didn't ever think that some other company or that the end user would want to use the copper. In newer apartments, there are NIDs installed usually in the master bedroom closet. This NID contains a jack with a couple of wires going in to it (your wiring) and a couple of wires (or just a jack) with wires going out to the legacy provider. In a standard install where there is a NID located, the process is to disconnect the house wiring from your side of the NID and cap it off to prevent shorting or backfeeding. (you don't want to feed the outside world with your dialtone, do you?) At this point, the phone wiring in your house is dead. A duplex jack (Y-adapter) plugged into a phone, the modem and the wall will activate the jacks in the house. Electrically the only thing changing is where the dialtone comes from! Instead of it coming from a local Central Office down a big fat cable split off into smaller cables then split into your building riser then into your individual cable pair that has your dialtone into your NID, it comes from the cablemodem's voice port into your phone jack and all the other jacks wired to the one they connected the modem to will work as well. There are various tutorials on how to do your own phone wiring online and some include pictures and step-by-step. I'd explain here but I think I've typed a lot as is. :P And, if you didn't read any of that, (i guess I got too wordy): Cisco phone: Nope, sorry. House wiring: Find the NID, disconnect, tape up, plug modem in. all done. FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Ian L. Target wrote: > _Kubuntu 8.04_ > > > Background: I called TWC last week to cancel my service 'cause TWC > was being a tool when it came to what it was charging me. Well, > apparently when you call to cancel, you don't get regular customer > dis-service, you get some 2nd tier CSR's who are able to offer you > different rates. I was offered a rate of $99.00 for cable, internet and > phone. I don't really use a home phone at all, but the $99.00 was > cheaper than what I was paying for just internet and cable. I > specifically asked /twice/, "Will the phone service work with my regular > phone outlets?" The CSR said yes. > > Three days later, an installer shows up with some big ugly-ass modem > into which I have to plug my phone into to get phone service. I tried > my very best not to go off on the installer, but I let him know about my > conversation with the CSR who said I could use the regular phone outlets > in my apartment. He says this only applies to /newer/ apartment > buildings. Apparently, my apartment building has some older wiring > and the outlets will not work, hence the big ugly-ass modem. I am not > quite sure what the deal is, but the phone rarely works. I tried > calling the number with my cell phone and it does get incoming calls > about 1/4 of the time. I have yet to be able to dial out. > > Another call to customer dis-service. Blah, blah, blah, we'll be out > Thursday. > > I have a Cisco 7912 VoIP phone. I have it plugged into my router. It > configures it self and and I can make calls out on it. Some more > background. I pulled the phone out of a box of garbage from where I > used to work. After plugging in the phone, I realized that the phone > still was able to make phone calls. I even recognize the extension. It > is to a department that no longer exists. Even though they (my previous > employer) are in another state, I can pick up the receiver and dial a > four digit extension and talk to some of my previous co workers. I can > even make regular phone calls if the calls are in the area code of my > previous employer. (There is no charge to my previous employer as long > as the calls are in the same area code as them.) For long distance, I > use a calling card or my cell phone. I am sure it is only a matter of > time before someone at my previous employment will update their records > and cancel this particular extension. > > I haven't asked TWC about trying to configure the phone as I don't feel > like sitting on hold for another 20-30 minutes. I can see the settings > of the phone by typing in http://192.168.1.103/ but I am unable to > change anything. Finally, the question: Does Linux have a program that > I can use to configure this phone (the Cisco 7912) to use my TWC > assigned phone number? This would be great as I could get rid of the > extra modem that is required to plug in a regular phone to. > > Thanks > > Ian > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Sep 2 16:08:48 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Sep 2 16:08:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Fw: [giac-alumni] San Antonio Message-ID: <20080902160848.70e45107@home> Begin forwarded message from Stephen Northcutt originally sent Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:34:13 -0400: > Folks, > > A number of you have written in requesting a SANS conference event in > San Antonio, Texas. I'm happy to report SANS San Antonio 2008 is now > live at http://www.sans.org/sanantonio08 with registration open for > Network Penetration Testing and Ethical Hacking, and these two DoD > friendly courses, SANS +S Training Program for the CISSP Certification > Exam and Intro to Information Security. > > So if you were one of the folks that asked about this city, could you > kindly help spread the word? And please let us know of any > local associations or user groups who would benefit from this > training. In case anyone in town has wanted/needed to head to some SANS training. Enjoy! -- Daniel From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Sep 2 18:24:54 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Sep 2 18:24:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Does Linux have a way to configure a Cisco 7912 series VoIP phone? In-Reply-To: <48BD8AF0.8050501@comcast.net> References: <48BD8AF0.8050501@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48BDCB46.5080606@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Ian L. Target wrote: | _Kubuntu 8.04_ | | | Background: I called TWC last week to cancel my service 'cause TWC | was being a tool when it came to what it was charging me. Well, | apparently when you call to cancel, you don't get regular customer | dis-service, you get some 2nd tier CSR's who are able to offer you | different rates. I was offered a rate of $99.00 for cable, internet and | phone. I don't really use a home phone at all, but the $99.00 was | cheaper than what I was paying for just internet and cable. I | specifically asked /twice/, "Will the phone service work with my regular | phone outlets?" The CSR said yes. | | Three days later, an installer shows up with some big ugly-ass modem | into which I have to plug my phone into to get phone service. I tried | my very best not to go off on the installer, but I let him know about my | conversation with the CSR who said I could use the regular phone outlets | in my apartment. He says this only applies to /newer/ apartment | buildings. Apparently, my apartment building has some older wiring | and the outlets will not work, hence the big ugly-ass modem. I am not | quite sure what the deal is, but the phone rarely works. I tried | calling the number with my cell phone and it does get incoming calls | about 1/4 of the time. I have yet to be able to dial out. | | Another call to customer dis-service. Blah, blah, blah, we'll be out | Thursday. | | I have a Cisco 7912 VoIP phone. I have it plugged into my router. It | configures it self and and I can make calls out on it. Some more | background. I pulled the phone out of a box of garbage from where I | used to work. After plugging in the phone, I realized that the phone | still was able to make phone calls. I even recognize the extension. It | is to a department that no longer exists. Even though they (my previous | employer) are in another state, I can pick up the receiver and dial a | four digit extension and talk to some of my previous co workers. I can | even make regular phone calls if the calls are in the area code of my | previous employer. (There is no charge to my previous employer as long | as the calls are in the same area code as them.) For long distance, I | use a calling card or my cell phone. I am sure it is only a matter of | time before someone at my previous employment will update their records | and cancel this particular extension. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Cisco+7905%252F7912+IP+Phones I've got a few voip things I'm trying to hack too. Unfortunately, they're going to require much more work. Like getting a JTAG connector and forcibly flashing the device to an older firmware, then using CYT-Tool to hack the thing and then I can provision the sip device however I want. Even if you do get it hacked, you probably won't be able to use it on TWC's phone service. You can probably use it with any other sip provider out there that will sell you sip minutes. You may not get 911 service, but meh. There's a few cheap sip providers out there. You get what you pay for, though. It's cheap and it works, but if it's broken, you'll have a tough time getting customer support to, well, support. Broadvoice is one that will work with asterisk even :) So there you go. Maybe you can set the thing, but you probably can't use it. Might be best to just hang on as an extension for a while ;) - -- David Kowis www.ronpaul2008.com - Ron Paul for President! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJIvctGAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObPocMAKyJThwjbz5kOWn2RA5wOmua VRhWJfu9BaeCN+LfbbPBScMMl+4m8zsU7qbgXHM7Mi/85dcjwpjj6uJ8m+as14nH 40HcBRrSGJGFG0myt6hct251ncSVw0BcbOcJbBhjasL580xLAWGhugWYX6D9aMkn aj36rk5PPgTl0zFLt9N4N8yz/w4ugoZhL9GVOI0C1o5AoX4ybJK8EIVzpw7fExjp OTFbdFSi3gh/HG/6/xHIBRr8wNb4YpEDd2kMToQt8VoesQJEc2+/S8BMxlQiqy7r ZyrOszSf4Ip+7PiqC2Ko4d0yqw/Ps78K38Wi3GXOxC7fD1w0rq3/RK730OWx80w+ 7H5XcQSLX8XLYy6NJdIQHyJOWr2JvGKvisoEMAtmc7LkoGvp6e4i3Wmu0+smPfeq q2dQZAICWb4DSVsScN5DUcbae5/CDAPO4L9hkqyd+fleleRja2mwrzveWhXmBw8f oAYtQA2DNHoWo/yRwIrTGLiSlGEG3QYcyTJvKRXODQ== =sXs/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mckinneyb at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 18:59:57 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Tue Sep 2 18:59:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux is an Alternative to Vistza In-Reply-To: <1194281074-1220381368-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-447611967-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1194281074-1220381368-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-447611967-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Seems relevant to the topic: http://sheldoncomics.com/strips/sd080902.gif -Brian On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Brian wrote: > Your being a tad too critical and misleading. > > You can use 2k/xp programs on vista. I do every day on my laptop (tri boot > of vista, ubuntu and whenever I'm playing with this week). > > Software for vista isn't all expensive. I installed pidgin free of charge. > Now official ms software like office is expensive, however so is everything > else ms makes. > > I'd suggest you try using the os before completely bashing it. While I hate > using a ms os as much as the next geek, vista has ran well for me, and I > haven't had any major problems at all. I prefer linux, but sometimes windows > is a necessary evil. > > Make your own choices. Do not be a sheep following the herd of others who > bash a product simply because of the software giant who makes it. Try it > out. Benchmark it. Do your daily work on it and see how it runs for you. > > Your opinions could mislead someone into believing that everything to ever > come out of redmond is garbage, however, microsoft is, and will be king of > the market share long after this thread dies. > > -b > ------Original Message------ > From: K. Reginald Buckner > Sender: > To: satlug@satlug.org > ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux is an Alternative to Vistza > Sent: Sep 2, 2008 13:31 > > > Would someone please explain this to me? are you saying Vista is a good > > alternative to Linux? > > > No it is not an better alternative to Linux at all. However it is about > personal choice. With Windows Vista you get it automatically when you buy a > notebook or desktop at your favorite computer store. > > Here is what you actually receive: > > An operating system that requires the most current hardware and lots of > resources. Dont even bother to use Vista in less than 2GB of RAM. Must have > at least 25-40GB of disk just for system files. Must be careful not to use > 2K/XP programs ( the previous Windows releases). A OS that needs constant > updates and security resources (spyware, malware, anti-virus, spam > blok, personal firewall). > > Every software in Vista is pricely. Look at how much it costs to buy Office > 2007 or Corel Word Perfect Office just for simple things. > > FYIP > Linux is a FOSS package: So you dont pay for the OS and you can make as > many > copies you want and even share with family and friends. You also get a > smaller OS that loads faster and can be used on less resources. However > Linux Distributions are operating environments. Like a Patio is an > environment where thee is furniture, rock gardens, barbecue grill and other > accessories. When you see letters like KDE, Gnome, XCFE, Fluxbox, etc. > these > are accessories like what you would find in the patio. It makes the > environment more useful. That is initial principle. Once you get that > concept the rest is gravy... > > TTYL > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:01:28 2008 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Tue Sep 2 20:01:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48BD0A3F.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <48BD0A3F.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Message-ID: Hello all, I will be volunteering at the InstallFest, except I cannot help install Wi-Fi for any Broadcom chipset. In fact, I personally need help installing my Wi-Fi with a Broadcom BCM4318MPG chipset. Regards, Benjamin > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:41:19 -0500> From: JPARKHUR@dot.state.tx.us> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: RE: [SATLUG] InstallFest> > Or for the "trying-to-be's". Thanks!> > >>> "Todd W. Bucy" 09/02/2008 09:19 >>>> Check out this wall paper...I know that this will not be too usefull to> most on this list, but given that install fest is this weekend, it may> very well help the noobs....> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Linux-Unix+command > +guide?content=88383> > Todd> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 20:40 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote:> > I guess my wireless chipset would be.... Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN mini-card.> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf> > Of pixelnate@gmail.com > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:36 PM> > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List> > Subject: RE: [SATLUG] InstallFest> > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:32 -0500, Christopher Clyne wrote:> > > I am currently a student at San Antonio College in the first semester of a> > > computer programming program. I am looking to install Linux on my Dell> > > Inspiron 1420 laptop. I am currently running Vista Home Premium and have> > > tried to install both Fedora and Ubuntu onto my system. I have been having> > a> > > problem with getting my wireless to be recognized by either distribution> > and> > > am too new to Linux to really understand the work around.> > > > Well, considering that Dell sells the 1420 with Ubuntu it shouldn't be> > very difficult getting it all to work. However, the version they sell> > has the Intel wireless 3945 card in it. It sounds like that is not the> > one you have. If you could find out which wireless chipset you have in> > your laptop, it will help when you get to the installfest.> > > > > > ~Nate> > > > -- > > _______________________________________________> > SATLUG mailing list> > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)> > > > -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)> > -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ From buckmiester35 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:25:50 2008 From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner) Date: Tue Sep 2 20:25:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux Desktop is a valid choice Message-ID: > Your being a tad too critical and misleading. > > You can use 2k/xp programs on vista. I do every day on my laptop (tri boot > of vista, ubuntu and whenever I'm playing with this week). > > No I am not too critical of Microsoft Vista because I did say it was about personal choice. This was a response to the question is Vista a good alternative to Linux not to put down Vista or Microsoft. Anybody that chooses to use it can and should. When I said be careful about using Vista programs, I wasnt making the statement for someone who is not savvy about Windows. Yes some 2k/XP programs can run in Vista in compatiblity mode but not all device drivers written for 2k/XP will function. I was putting Linux Desktop in a context as a total cost of ownership not saying Vista is a bad OS. It does have several built in functions from speech recognition to BitLocker. Window Media Player is a great multimedia tool. I am not trying to overhwelm someone who cannot afford to pay the privilege of Vista and the hardware to go with it a rationale for using Linux. You can dual boot linux and vista and use either but be prepared to spend enough money to do it properly. No one can tell a person who knows Vista it is less expensive than Linux to use because it is not. IMHO Microsoft has an interoperability agreement with a Major Linux Distro (Novell). So that tells anyone that Linux desktop must be revelant as a peer OS. Microsoft is not even writing off Linux Desktop as a valid choice so that must speak volumes because will not do that for MAC OS X.... From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 21:48:20 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Sep 2 21:48:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] response Lou, Charles, Leif..offline issue Message-ID: <7e4994a70809021948u73f2b1ebi6fea7a1ed8db2a81@mail.gmail.com> Lou, I'll go back and see if I can find you recommendation too..I must have missed it..thank you very much! Charles, how do I kill the Network Manager? In system monitor right? Do I just right click it and "cut" or "delete"? Leif, yes I do this everytime or rather have Mom do it everytime she goes online before she can actually look at any websites. Clciking it once doesn't make it stop for the next time you go online...so I'll try the network manager in System Monitor...Thank you too! cheryl Message-ID: <9e4edf580809012035w51cc0f39w9e32613f19b84532@mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My personal experience is that the problem is not Firefox but NetworkManager. In my case Firefox, Pidgin, Evolution were all starting offline. After NetworkManager is turned off, everything seems to work fine. My clumsy solution at this point is first start Firefox (that will start NetworkManager) then kill NetworkManager. This can be done through the System Monitor. NEVERMIND CHARLES..I looked at it on my pc...right click and chhose KILL PROCESS on Network Manager correct? Is that how to turn off anything running in the backround that I don't need or want? thank you very much charles! cheryl Applications> System Tools>System Monitor. Or by killing the process from the CLI. Charles From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 2 22:55:06 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 2 22:55:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200809022255.06658.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 07:08:08 am Leif Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Brian McKinney wrote: > > I saw a ton of librettos floating around Defcon still this year. Like > > you said the market is taking off for sub-notebooks (or netbooks as their > > being called). EEPCs are becoming much more common as well. Personally, > > I wouldn't mind picking up an apsire one > > (http://www.acer.com/aspireone/). The array of choices keeps getting > > better it seems. > > > > -Brian > > I bought a LC2000 series 12' from Linux Certified last year and it's been > great. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100s.html. It's > compact enough to carry around and powerful enough for heavy lifting. I > love it. Yeah Leif.. I picked up an LC2100S (dual core 12", WXGA). It's pretty cool.. but has some kind of random hard-poweroff problem that seems unrelated to heat, power, battery or anything else that I can ID through logs or the system software. Seems like some kind of hardware intermittency... but not really related to any mechanical issues either. Any hints? Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Sep 2 23:22:28 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Tue Sep 2 23:22:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:12:43 am Ernest De Leon wrote: [...] > I've always said that we had let > our machines (collectively) get out of hand (as far as power consumption > and resource usage) due to bloated inefficient software. Agreed.. The US market is bad about that. We see this trend in the automotive market also. We invent more powerful and efficient engines.. and instead of making smaller more efficient cars from them.. we keep the same gas mileage and double and triple the horse power of all the cars on the market.. WTF.. What even happend to theprecept of being a good steward. Good engineering... Bettering ones self. Same thing on laptops. I've always thought that those giant 15-17" behemoths were vulgar and backward thinking from what the "laptop" was designed for (originally a backlash to the "luggable/everything" PC market from the 80's). I mean 17" gamer laptops are the "new luggables", if you will: WAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kaypro.jpg IS: http://tinyurl.com/5psyg7 My first (and still favorite) laptop was the Toshiba T-1000 with battery backed (bootable) RAM disk. Fun little unit: http://www.toshiba-europe.com/bv/computers/products/notebooks/t1000/picture.shtm Still.. always looking for smaller.. I later got a hold of a Gateway Handbook in like 1995: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Handbook But never did much on it but load system commander and get a few flavors of DOS loaded onto it. Never could get Linux loaded on it due to the lack of CD/floppy/network connections on the unit. > Hopefully this new > phenomenon will cause overall efficiency to increase and software bloat to > decrease. I doubt bloat will ever "go away".. just as we'll always have trucks and hummers (to some degree)... But the market MAY shift. And that would be enough for me. > Longer battery life is a great benefit as well. Although I like > the EEE, I will be getting the new Dell Inspiron 910 (assuming the > specs/price line up well.) They are rumored to start selling on Sept. 4. > They were previously rumored to start selling on Aug. 22, but you know how > these internet rumors go. Well.. if anyone can do mass market appeal.. it could be Dell. Not that I'm conceding any great foresight to them.. they're just the de facto business machine. And if business gets the same epiphany (small & tight + Open Source = savings).. then we might be getting somewhere as a society. > At any rate, I think the netbook market is one of > the greatest things that could have happened to Linux (which works well on > under-powered hardware) and I look forward to what this will bring. Agreed.. (although it's official now.. it's called the UMPC market). Linux will thrive in this space.. M$ will be challenged to "fit in" (resource wise). The closest contender they have is PocketPC.. which is more of an App Stack for their smart phones than a real OS. > There > is no way to get Vista to work on one of these things, so it seems as if M$ > will have to rely on XP to battle with the lean and mean linux > distributions. We already know where that will end up. Yup.. Be interesting to see what direction this pushes the future M$ R&D paths.. Trimming down Vista.. Re-inventing XP.. Actual foray into Open Source.. hmmm.. Discuss.. :) Tweeks From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 00:04:47 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Sep 3 00:04:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Saw that last one didn't go to the list: I think all of this is a direct result of the evolution of the internet to provide applications in public space. Mozilla, Google, and M$ (thought they may not admit it) have realized that the OS has become a commodity of late. With the broad acceptance of cloud computing (in its user and commercial forms) the browser is the new 'os.' I find it hilarious that so many people swore that google was developing their own OS. In a way they were, and now we have Chrome. They saw that the browser is the key to unlocking the full potential of the web. They needed a direct competitor to IE8 that could possibly unseat it. I also like the fact that they went minimalist, light and fast. Again, this is contributing to the trend of 'the race to the bottom.' Some people are still tied to desktops/laptops because their employers demand it, or they are the last of the remaining PC gamers out there that single handedly keep Nvidia in business. To this day I swear Blizzard and EA own some large undisclosed stake in Nvidia and/or ATI. They are the ones propagating the scam that is continual hardware upgrades. I gave up on 'high-end' PC gaming years ago when the original xbox came out, and with my PS3 and 360, I will never go back. If I can't play the game on a modest machine, then I get it on console. Besides, 90% of today's games are all about the graphics and gameplay takes a backseat. The UMPC/Netbook/Netop/Whatever you want to call it market segment is definitely exploding. The bottom line is that people want more battery life and better efficiency. The new Dell Lattitudes with the 'InstatOn' or whatever they call it (embedded Linux) state that they now measure battery life in terms of days, not hours, when booted into this embedded environment. With windows, it's back down to hours. The trend is definitely headed toward mainstream Linux adoption, and I don't think the improvements in the GUI or 'user experience' are the primary cause. I really think it's the known resource efficiency that is driving the higher adoption rates. For a while there, I got so into the 'reduce power consumption' phase, that I hacked my NSLU2 to be a web server that runs on 2 watts. http://picasaweb.google.com/edeleonjr/UVPC?authkey=vKndmoSU74g#5234959296700110482 It was fun while I was toying with it, but I needed a little bit more power. Wouldn't you believe it Dell came through with the new Studio Hybrid? They basically tried to make a Mac Mini by cramming commodity laptop parts into a small case (about the size of an external 3.5" CD ROM drive) and having it beat the mac mini at every price/performance point starting at $499. I got one and will be switching over from the NSLU 2 to the new Studio Hybrid. http://picasaweb.google.com/edeleonjr/StudioHybrid?authkey=U3CDuMb1dlI# This system is essentially a laptop, so it has a regular laptop external power brick (also improves cooling) and it is virtually silent. I can't say how much I love this thing. It also sips power compared to a regular desktop. I guess my long point is that the reduction of power consumption is the best thing that has happened (and could continue to happen) for the computing industry. Coupled with technological advances in battery performance, I think that we can easily hit the 'all day' usability mark for all modern laptops. There are performance, productivity and environmental benefts all along the way, and I'm excited to see the industry head this way. BTW Tweeks, I agree with you about the automobile/performance trend. All we seem to do is give kids better ways to kill themselves every generation of cars. Out here in California it is even more evident because kids can afford cars like corvettes (due to inflated wages) and they are always popping up in the news. It's always a teenage kid that flipped a vette or wrapped it around a telephone poll. The only time the age is in the 20s or higher is when alcohol is involved. I look back on my younger days and just shake my head and thank the big systems engineer in the sky that I made it out alive. I was actually glad to see gas prices around 5 dollars. It forces people to think about what they are doing and make more sound choices. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Tweeks wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:12:43 am Ernest De Leon wrote: > [...] > > I've always said that we had let > > our machines (collectively) get out of hand (as far as power consumption > > and resource usage) due to bloated inefficient software. > > Agreed.. The US market is bad about that. We see this trend in the > automotive > market also. We invent more powerful and efficient engines.. and instead > of > making smaller more efficient cars from them.. we keep the same gas mileage > and double and triple the horse power of all the cars on the market.. WTF.. > What even happend to theprecept of being a good steward. Good > engineering... > Bettering ones self. > > Same thing on laptops. I've always thought that those giant 15-17" > behemoths > were vulgar and backward thinking from what the "laptop" was designed for > (originally a backlash to the "luggable/everything" PC market from the > 80's). > I mean 17" gamer laptops are the "new luggables", if you will: > WAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kaypro.jpg > IS: http://tinyurl.com/5psyg7 > > My first (and still favorite) laptop was the Toshiba T-1000 with battery > backed (bootable) RAM disk. Fun little unit: > > > http://www.toshiba-europe.com/bv/computers/products/notebooks/t1000/picture.shtm > > Still.. always looking for smaller.. > I later got a hold of a Gateway Handbook in like 1995: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Handbook > > But never did much on it but load system commander and get a few flavors of > DOS loaded onto it. Never could get Linux loaded on it due to the lack of > CD/floppy/network connections on the unit. > > > > Hopefully this new > > phenomenon will cause overall efficiency to increase and software bloat > to > > decrease. > > I doubt bloat will ever "go away".. just as we'll always have trucks and > hummers (to some degree)... But the market MAY shift. And that would be > enough for me. > > > > Longer battery life is a great benefit as well. Although I like > > the EEE, I will be getting the new Dell Inspiron 910 (assuming the > > specs/price line up well.) They are rumored to start selling on Sept. > 4. > > They were previously rumored to start selling on Aug. 22, but you know > how > > these internet rumors go. > > Well.. if anyone can do mass market appeal.. it could be Dell. Not that > I'm > conceding any great foresight to them.. they're just the de facto business > machine. And if business gets the same epiphany (small & tight + Open > Source > = savings).. then we might be getting somewhere as a society. > > > > At any rate, I think the netbook market is one of > > the greatest things that could have happened to Linux (which works well > on > > under-powered hardware) and I look forward to what this will bring. > > Agreed.. (although it's official now.. it's called the UMPC market). Linux > will thrive in this space.. M$ will be challenged to "fit in" (resource > wise). The closest contender they have is PocketPC.. which is more of an > App > Stack for their smart phones than a real OS. > > > > There > > is no way to get Vista to work on one of these things, so it seems as if > M$ > > will have to rely on XP to battle with the lean and mean linux > > distributions. We already know where that will end up. > > Yup.. Be interesting to see what direction this pushes the future M$ R&D > paths.. Trimming down Vista.. Re-inventing XP.. Actual foray into Open > Source.. hmmm.. > > Discuss.. :) > > Tweeks > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 00:36:03 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate) Date: Wed Sep 3 00:30:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200809030036.03210.jdchoate@mcn.org> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 23:22:28 Tweeks wrote: > Same thing on laptops. ?I've always thought that those giant 15-17" > behemoths were vulgar and backward thinking from what the "laptop" was > designed for (originally a backlash to the "luggable/everything" PC market > from the 80's). I mean 17" gamer laptops are the "new luggables", if you > will: > WAS:????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kaypro.jpg > IS:?????http://tinyurl.com/5psyg7 Hehe... that Kaypro reminds me of my uncle (who never throws ANYTHING away). I'm willing to bet that he still has his two Osborne's which he bought brand new in 1981 :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Osborne1.jpg From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 3 07:14:16 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Sep 3 07:15:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <200809030036.03210.jdchoate@mcn.org> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <200809022322.28795.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <200809030036.03210.jdchoate@mcn.org> Message-ID: <1220444056.10855.19.camel@phrodo.castaweb> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 00:36 -0500, John Choate wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 23:22:28 Tweeks wrote: > > Same thing on laptops. I've always thought that those giant 15-17" > > behemoths were vulgar and backward thinking from what the "laptop" was > > designed for (originally a backlash to the "luggable/everything" PC market > > from the 80's). I mean 17" gamer laptops are the "new luggables", if you > > will: > > WAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kaypro.jpg > > IS: http://tinyurl.com/5psyg7 > > Hehe... that Kaypro reminds me of my uncle (who never throws ANYTHING away). > I'm willing to bet that he still has his two Osborne's which he bought brand > new in 1981 :) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Osborne1.jpg When we formed SATLUG, I was using a Kaypro II CP/M box as the terminal for my Mac LC 550 that was running NetBSD. In the early 1980's I was lugging Kaypro 2's [1] and Kaypro II's [2] (they had different BIOSes and couldn't boot each others CP/M system disks) around until the GRiD Compass came out. After lugging a pair of Kaypro II's through customs at Miami Int'l Airport, I was really glad to get the GRiD laptops, but their excellent Grid-OS was later replaced with DOS. For smaller laptops, I was really happy with the 2.5 pound Samsung built Dell Latitude X1 [4] and it ran Linux great right out of the box. I wrote a review of this kit for Toms Hardware Guide [5] a few years ago. [1] http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/reach/435/kpro10.htm#kpro2 [2] http://oldcomputers.net/kayproii.html [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRiD_Compass [4] http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,1780382,00.asp [5] http://www.tomsguide.com/us/a-reader-speaks-about-the-dell-latitude-x1,review-575.html Al Castanoli From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Sep 3 07:32:54 2008 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed Sep 3 07:33:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1220445174.9859.6.camel@case.camerontech.net> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 07:08 -0500, Leif Johnson wrote: > I bought a LC2000 series 12' from Linux Certified last year and it's been > great. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100s.html. It's > compact enough to carry around and powerful enough for heavy lifting. I > love it. I'm still lugging my 15.4" ThinkPad T60 around, and I just love it. 4GB memory, dual-core Intel 2GHz processor, 100GB 7200RPM SATA 300 drive, Intel video (1860x1050), Intel NIC, Intel wireless so it all Just Works(TM) with no need to download any proprietary closed source drivers, 802.11/g so it's fast as heck on my wireless network. It has a real keyboard layout, not one of those Frankenstein's monster boards with keys shotgunned all over the periphery of the keyboard area like Dell does. For a long time, I never really liked ThinkPads. This T60 has completely changed my mind about them. I've been super happy with it. TC From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 08:50:22 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate@gmail.com) Date: Wed Sep 3 08:50:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Linux Desktop is a valid choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220449822.32287.75.camel@mobileHQ> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 20:25 -0500, K. Reginald Buckner wrote: > Microsoft is not even writing off Linux Desktop as a valid choice so > that must speak volumes because will not do that for MAC OS X.... There is no need for an "interoperability agreement" between any linux OS vendors and Apple. Linux is a Unix-like OS and OSX is UNix underneath the sheets. They work together because they both use similar technologies. ~Nate From chmims at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 12:06:18 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Sep 3 12:06:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] response Lou, Charles, Leif..offline issue In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70809021948u73f2b1ebi6fea7a1ed8db2a81@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70809021948u73f2b1ebi6fea7a1ed8db2a81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580809031006i45bc2a7q90c0c1629d47d83a@mail.gmail.com> I am assuming you are running Fedora. There are two ways to kill NetworkManager. First be sure it is running by starting Firefox. 1. From the GUI, when you open up System Monitor scroll down the list of running processes. When you see NetworkManager, highlight with a mouse click, then with the mouse cursor click the 'Kill Process' button. 2. From the terminal command line run the following: $ps -aux | grep NetworkManager (this will give you the process id# for NetworkManager) $kill 'id#' After doing this if it solves the problem I would remove NetworkManager using Add/Remove Software utility. It is in the administration menu. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Lou, I'll go back and see if I can find you recommendation too..I must have > missed it..thank you very much! > > Charles, how do I kill the Network Manager? In system monitor right? Do I > just right click it and "cut" or "delete"? > > Leif, yes I do this everytime or rather have Mom do it everytime she goes > online before she can actually look at any websites. Clciking it once > doesn't make it stop for the next time you go online...so I'll try the > network manager in System Monitor...Thank you too! cheryl > > Message-ID: > <9e4edf580809012035w51cc0f39w9e32613f19b84532@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > My personal experience is that the problem is not Firefox but > NetworkManager. In my case Firefox, Pidgin, > Evolution were all starting offline. After NetworkManager is turned off, > everything seems to work fine. > > My clumsy solution at this point is first start Firefox (that will start > NetworkManager) then > kill NetworkManager. This can be done through the System Monitor. > > NEVERMIND CHARLES..I looked at it on my pc...right click and chhose KILL > PROCESS on Network Manager correct? Is that how to turn off anything > running in the backround that I don't need or want? > > thank you very much charles! cheryl > Applications> > System Tools>System Monitor. Or by killing the process from the CLI. > > Charles > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Sep 3 18:36:43 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:36:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] for sale In-Reply-To: <1220445174.9859.6.camel@case.camerontech.net> References: <8CAD8269FAA4449-1FF0-3A76@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com> <14842c410808310147u2fc01e94v66daca4fe2285895@mail.gmail.com> <200808311215.36281.jdchoate@gmail.com> <200809020324.30052.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1220445174.9859.6.camel@case.camerontech.net> Message-ID: <48BF1F8B.8000604@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Thomas Cameron wrote: | On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 07:08 -0500, Leif Johnson wrote: |> I bought a LC2000 series 12' from Linux Certified last year and it's been |> great. http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100s.html. It's |> compact enough to carry around and powerful enough for heavy lifting. I |> love it. | | I'm still lugging my 15.4" ThinkPad T60 around, and I just love it. 4GB | memory, dual-core Intel 2GHz processor, 100GB 7200RPM SATA 300 drive, | Intel video (1860x1050), Intel NIC, Intel wireless so it all Just | Works(TM) with no need to download any proprietary closed source | drivers, 802.11/g so it's fast as heck on my wireless network. It has a | real keyboard layout, not one of those Frankenstein's monster boards | with keys shotgunned all over the periphery of the keyboard area like | Dell does. | | For a long time, I never really liked ThinkPads. This T60 has | completely changed my mind about them. I've been super happy with it. | W00t thinkpads! I will be acquiring the X61t for mah birthday :D Tablet pc, 8 hours of battery life. It's going to rule. Also everything works in linux. Including the tabletry. It's going to be the awesomesauce. - -- David Kowis www.ronpaul2008.com - Ron Paul for President! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJIvx+KAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObjZ4L/jKASPlUj2LRG/uu3wDyaxH9 sVGGuE4ATrKoXH3ExExnJiMX8C8LtDSLhesu0Z6Xzs9G9TypEzGwNgOBoDjjJk9e YH11pe6rnMgat2XHIDW7xIsvhJbni4nt9pmRXUfkpe/pLXWYgTdi3aVn1s8ZLR4F Q3GBaK4h4T3dzjWRCmhsa6mEy4YpQhU42cPURfy4cgHQBbmFsg1JIzVqSu9KjvZi gynD2Ii/luL8WxqBYg0nWgX20B69zOSLNSZcrrlSDYbyZqx9NlrstiHW7oPpspyq MqyXcXG5xBGg/vRkU/Z17elnlF2rBahB0ZEYL/b2E92rzmuuz6qQ1FGkT0112Obl vWM/fLQOD9oyrqec69rdL9PQ6w9huy4mL3aosu4qLXNM3hDW4AaSdqYy9ySIg2nR aQu09CigptzMltoa6zLI3SAKmopaBzWotK8Usa7Cn7WvUJnNRpJ+RdIWCODswY/f 9tSJ6sTy3U4NZrCsiuCrQ9nvUD2eKuZghEvC4EH8ug== =W7qr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org Wed Sep 3 20:30:10 2008 From: travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org (Travis) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:29:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] anyone use isakmpd or IPSec? Message-ID: <20080904013009.GR24344@subspacefield.org> I'm struggling with the OpenBSD daemon isakmpd on Linux. Sometimes, I restart the service and it works just fine. Other times it will not work for as long as 45 seconds. If you haven't seen OpenBSD's isakmpd, it's configuration file is very unforgiving, but it is the slickest, baddest, most NAT-penetrating tool in existence. On OpenBSD, it will send a packet from/to port 500 to exchange keys. If that isn't the src port when it arrives, the recipient knows that the sender went through NAT, so they encapsulate all the IPSec packets in UDP port 4500, and on top of that slickness, they also send keepalives so that stateful NAT devices keep the port open. What I'm trying to build up is a IPSec VPN between home, an OpenBSD coloc, and a Debian Linux server in Amsterdam. Point to point, I can get it to work, but dealing with VPN routing is my next pain point, and this indeterminacy on Linux is putting the brakes on my ambition to build a walled city of sorts. Anyone else working with this stuff? PS: I've got several presentations and a 150-page book on security here: http://www.subspacefield.org/security/ -- Crypto ergo sum. http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ Truth does not fear scrutiny or competition, only lies do. If you are a spammer, please email john@subspacefield.org to get blacklisted. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:48:15 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:48:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <48BD0A3F.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Message-ID: <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> Benjamin Temple wrote: > Hello all, > I will be volunteering at the InstallFest, except I cannot help install Wi-Fi for any Broadcom chipset. In fact, I personally need help installing my Wi-Fi with a Broadcom BCM4318MPG chipset. > Regards, > Benjamin Try using fwcutter and ndiswrapper. Works here. I'll also be at the install fest. What time? Cheers; Ed From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:18:25 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:19:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809051218.25993.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 05 September 2008 11:48:15 ed wrote: > Benjamin Temple wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I will be volunteering at the InstallFest, except I cannot help > install Wi-Fi for any Broadcom > chipset. In fact, I personally need help installing my Wi-Fi with a > Broadcom BCM4318MPG > chipset. > > Regards, > > Benjamin > > Try using fwcutter and ndiswrapper. Works here. > > I'll also be at the install fest. What time? > > Cheers; > Ed > > Try this... download the b43.tar.gz file from here: http://jdchoate.mcn.org/linux/b43.tar.gz Extract it into your /lib/firmware directory so you will end up with /lib/firmware/b43/ with the content in there. That might help get your wifi going. John C From wn5pmr at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 15:58:41 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:58:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <000001c90c8a$ffd59f60$ff80de20$@com> <1220315773.27002.6.camel@mobileHQ> <000601c90c9c$edc0b230$c9421690$@com> <1220365165.7696.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <48BD0A3F.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> Due to lousy bus service between Spokane and San Antonio I'm afraid I won't make the installfest in the morning. Sorry. Mike WN5PMR From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:21:56 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Sep 5 18:23:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809051321.57103.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 05 September 2008 15:58:41 mike wrote: > n Spokane and San Antonio I'm afraid I > won't make the installfest in the morning. Sorry That's too bad... is there a long delay in Coeur d' Alene? You could take a taxi I suppose, lol ;) From christopher at chriaxx.com Sat Sep 6 11:23:50 2008 From: christopher at chriaxx.com (Christopher Clyne) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:23:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] I need help for a class. Computer Programmers this is for you. In-Reply-To: <200809051321.57103.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> <200809051321.57103.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9103c$f27a3ff0$d76ebfd0$@com> I am currently enrolled in a student development class at SAC and I have an assignment to interview someone who works in the field I want to work in. I am having to do a report and presentation on this. If you are a programmer and have a few minutes of time to fill this out I would greatly appreciate it. I do not know anyone personally in the field so I figured I would try here. Thank you for your time. I will try to send as a attachment you can email back to me. If the attachment doesn't work and your interested I can send it to your personal address if you want. From christopher at chriaxx.com Sat Sep 6 11:26:53 2008 From: christopher at chriaxx.com (Christopher Clyne) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:26:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] I need help for a class. Computer Programmers this is for you. In-Reply-To: <000001c9103c$f27a3ff0$d76ebfd0$@com> References: <48BC7860.20802@cis.sac.accd.edu> <48C162CF.4030006@gmail.com> <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> <200809051321.57103.jdchoate@gmail.com> <000001c9103c$f27a3ff0$d76ebfd0$@com> Message-ID: <000a01c9103d$5fc33d50$1f49b7f0$@com> Ok so it didn't post the attachment. Here Are the questions I need answered. Email me personally with reply. Thank you Again. Name: Date: Job Title: 1. Why did you choose this career? 2. When did you know this was your passion? 3. What are the positive aspects of your career? What are the negative aspects? 4. What were/are the obstacles you experienced in obtaining your career? How did/do you overcome these obstacles? 5. What has been the best experience you have had in your current job? What is the worst? 6. Do you think you would have done anything different in attaining you degree? Is so? Explain what you would have done. -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Clyne Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:24 AM To: 'The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List' Subject: [SATLUG] I need help for a class. Computer Programmers this is for you. I am currently enrolled in a student development class at SAC and I have an assignment to interview someone who works in the field I want to work in. I am having to do a report and presentation on this. If you are a programmer and have a few minutes of time to fill this out I would greatly appreciate it. I do not know anyone personally in the field so I figured I would try here. Thank you for your time. I will try to send as a attachment you can email back to me. If the attachment doesn't work and your interested I can send it to your personal address if you want. From lists at hamsterswheel.com Sat Sep 6 13:22:22 2008 From: lists at hamsterswheel.com (Eric Hulse) Date: Sat Sep 6 13:22:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio Hackers Message-ID: <42089.24.243.17.30.1220725342.squirrel@hamsterswheel.com> For anyone in the security industry, or even those interested in it you may know that there is a local 2600 group that floundered for a while over the past few years but is pretty much dead at this point. 2600 groups also have an attachment to them of high school kids wanting to hacking into PBX's and anything else they can get their hands on. 2 Years ago a group of guys in Austin started the Austin Hackers Association. The concept of the group was technical conversations, presentations and networking on a monthly basis for 2 hours in the middle of the week. I've been attending for the past year and I enjoy it. Seeing as how there is a fairly large community of security professionals in San Antonio I figured it would be interesting to bring that group here and allow everyone to collaborate, build on presentation skills, and network. Currently we are still looking for a place to host the meeting, we have two locations in mind thus far but they are North Central San Antonio. The first is Lion and Rose pub off Broadway and 410, the second is Blanco Cafe on Blanco Road close to 1604. We are hoping to have a place and settle in to have our first meeting on Oct 1st. The meeting thereafter will be the first wed of each month from 7-9, and a socialization/drinking hour at 6. If you have any recommendations for hosting please let me know. If you'd like to join in on the group visit http://sanantoniohackers.org and sign up for the mailing list. A website isn't up yet since I just got the domain up and running yesterday and my web development skills are probably exceeded by my 2 year old son. The group is geared more towards security but is entirely open to anything technical. If you are working some kick ass Kernel module we'd love to hear about it in a 10,20 or 30 minute presentation. Slides are not necessarily required but visual aids are always helpful. Although participation is not mandatory, it is highly encouraged as it will help us continue these monthly meetings and not become a dead fish like other security groups in the city have in the past. If you have any questions, or would like to contribute towards the group please drop me a line! -Eric http://hamsterswheel.com/techblog http://Twentiesmoneymag.com From ian69 at comcast.net Sat Sep 6 16:37:57 2008 From: ian69 at comcast.net (Ian L Target) Date: Sat Sep 6 16:38:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Zimbra Message-ID: <48C2F835.7060508@comcast.net> Kubuntu 8.04 Has anyone gotten Zimbra to work in Linux? My hangs with no error message. Ian From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 17:01:56 2008 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS) Date: Sat Sep 6 17:02:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <48C19D81.90106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <137887.63460.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I just wanted to send this post to say thanks for all the help I recived from everyone at the installfest. I am sorry I cannot rember everyonesname. The time that was given is very much appericated. My wireless went to working at the house. Again thanks for all the help. I am nowgoing to strive to learn enough to someday be able to help others.?Thanks,Dennis From satlug at net153.net Sat Sep 6 19:02:15 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Sep 6 19:02:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <137887.63460.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <137887.63460.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C31A07.70504@net153.net> HAYES DENNIS wrote: > I just wanted to send this post to say thanks for all the help I recived from everyone at the installfest. I am sorry I cannot rember everyonesname. The time that was given is very much appericated. My wireless went to working at the house. Again thanks for all the help. I am nowgoing to strive to learn enough to someday be able to help others. Thanks,Dennis So the wireless did work? Amazing! Sam From michael at michaelrice.org Sun Sep 7 12:32:22 2008 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael) Date: Sun Sep 7 12:32:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <137887.63460.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <137887.63460.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C41026.4060400@grandecom.net> I figured it would :) HAYES DENNIS wrote: > I just wanted to send this post to say thanks for all the help I recived from everyone at the installfest. I am sorry I cannot rember everyonesname. The time that was given is very much appericated. My wireless went to working at the house. Again thanks for all the help. I am nowgoing to strive to learn enough to someday be able to help others. Thanks,Dennis > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Sep 7 12:56:20 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Sep 7 12:56:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file Message-ID: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I have finally gotten around to putting the Lord of The Rings: Two Towers on my mythbox. problem is I have the extended version of the movie. This version comes on two DVD. I need a way to take the ripped vob files from both dvds and transcoding them into one file. The way I have tried to do this in the past was to use dvdrip to rip and transcode both dvds into avi format. Then import them into knio, which changes them into dv format, and splicing them together then transcoding them into mpeg2. This gets the job done but its a pain in the butt and I am loosing picture quality in the process. I know that there has to be a better way. thanks in advance for any help Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 13:06:39 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:06:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > I have finally gotten around to putting the Lord of The Rings: Two > Towers on my mythbox. problem is I have the extended version of the > movie. This version comes on two DVD. I need a way to take the ripped > vob files from both dvds and transcoding them into one file. The way I > have tried to do this in the past was to use dvdrip to rip and transcode > both dvds into avi format. Then import them into knio, which changes > them into dv format, and splicing them together then transcoding them > into mpeg2. This gets the job done but its a pain in the butt and I am > loosing picture quality in the process. I know that there has to be a > better way. Rename the VOB files with an .mpeg extension and use dvdauthor to recombine them into a DVD layout: dvdauthor -t -o Rings -c vob1.mpg -c vob2.mpg -c vob3.mpg dvdauthor -T Rings -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Sep 7 13:10:40 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:10:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220811040.25157.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > I have finally gotten around to putting the Lord of The Rings: Two > > Towers on my mythbox. problem is I have the extended version of the > > movie. This version comes on two DVD. I need a way to take the ripped > > vob files from both dvds and transcoding them into one file. The way I > > have tried to do this in the past was to use dvdrip to rip and transcode > > both dvds into avi format. Then import them into knio, which changes > > them into dv format, and splicing them together then transcoding them > > into mpeg2. This gets the job done but its a pain in the butt and I am > > loosing picture quality in the process. I know that there has to be a > > better way. > > Rename the VOB files with an .mpeg extension and use dvdauthor to > recombine them into a DVD layout: > > dvdauthor -t -o Rings -c vob1.mpg -c vob2.mpg -c vob3.mpg > > dvdauthor -T Rings > thanks I give that a try latter today. will fill you in on how it worked out. Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 13:18:16 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:18:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <1220811040.25157.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220811040.25157.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0809071118l1e9beb30k15f548c77aa9f211@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> Rename the VOB files with an .mpeg extension and use dvdauthor to >> recombine them into a DVD layout: >> >> dvdauthor -t -o Rings -c vob1.mpg -c vob2.mpg -c vob3.mpg >> >> dvdauthor -T Rings >> > thanks I give that a try latter today. will fill you in on how it > worked out. Keep in mind that the VOB files are just plain MPEG2 files with a different extension. The example I gave used the "chapter" argument, -c file.mpeg. That makes each VOB a chapter that you can easily skip too. You can also had times as well like so: -c 0;11:00 file.mpeg This makes a chapter at the beginning of the MPG file and another one at the 11 minute mark. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From crynosys at grandecom.net Sun Sep 7 18:40:17 2008 From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:39:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: <48B390A7.5010709@net153.net> References: <48B370CA.6080206@grandecom.net> <48B390A7.5010709@net153.net> Message-ID: <48C46661.5020606@grandecom.net> Samuel Leon wrote: > Chris wrote: >> Their aging server is running the deprecated predecessor to SME server >> linux. >>> From what I can tell they need email, web, and dns/dhcp servics >> replicated on new hardware. >> A stand alone firewall router box would be really nice also. >> >> The librarians are desperate enough to allow me to tackle the job. >> So suggesting SATLUG's people resources was an easy sell. >> >> Thanks >> > > Where is the library at? > > Sam Leon Valley From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 8 08:27:11 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:27:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> Quoting Jeremy Mann : > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Todd W. Bucy > wrote: > > I have finally gotten around to putting the Lord of The Rings: Two > > Towers on my mythbox. problem is I have the extended version of the > > movie. This version comes on two DVD. I need a way to take the ripped > > vob files from both dvds and transcoding them into one file. The way I > > have tried to do this in the past was to use dvdrip to rip and transcode > > both dvds into avi format. Then import them into knio, which changes > > them into dv format, and splicing them together then transcoding them > > into mpeg2. This gets the job done but its a pain in the butt and I am > > loosing picture quality in the process. I know that there has to be a > > better way. > > Rename the VOB files with an .mpeg extension and use dvdauthor to > recombine them into a DVD layout: > > dvdauthor -t -o Rings -c vob1.mpg -c vob2.mpg -c vob3.mpg > > dvdauthor -T Rings > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann ok I tried this and I got a timestamp error here is what I did: @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o The Lord of the Rings the two towers -c LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_8 -c LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg this is the output: DVDAuthor::dvdauthor, version 0.6.14. Build options: gnugetopt magick iconv freetype Send bugs to ERR: Cannot parse chapter timestamp 'LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg' thanks for any help Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 08:35:37 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:35:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:27 AM, wrote: > Quoting Jeremy Mann : > ok I tried this and I got a timestamp error here is what I did: > > @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o The Lord of the Rings the two towers -c > LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg -c > LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c > LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_8 -c LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c > LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c > LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg > > this is the output: > DVDAuthor::dvdauthor, version 0.6.14. > Build options: gnugetopt magick iconv freetype > Send bugs to > > ERR: Cannot parse chapter timestamp 'LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg' Ah, that's easy to fix. You'll need to add a timestamp for each chapter. I forgot the -c argument needs a timestamp before it will parse the VOBs. -c 0,11:30 file.mpg -c 0,11:30 file2.mpg -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 8 09:30:21 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:30:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> Quoting Jeremy Mann : > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:27 AM, wrote: > > Quoting Jeremy Mann : > > > > ok I tried this and I got a timestamp error here is what I did: > > > > @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o The Lord of the Rings the two towers > -c > > LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg -c > > LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c > > LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_8 -c LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c > > LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c > > LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg > > > > this is the output: > > DVDAuthor::dvdauthor, version 0.6.14. > > Build options: gnugetopt magick iconv freetype > > Send bugs to > > > > ERR: Cannot parse chapter timestamp 'LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg' > > Ah, that's easy to fix. You'll need to add a timestamp for each > chapter. I forgot the -c argument needs a timestamp before it will > parse the VOBs. > > -c 0,11:30 file.mpg -c 0,11:30 file2.mpg > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > tried your suggestion and came up with a new error here is my input: @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o TheLordoftheRingstheTwoTowers -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_8 -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg the output: WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... ERR: SCR moves backwards, remultiplex input. when I check the folder created by dvdauthor there is a file called VTS_01_1.vob but it is an empty file thanks Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 09:44:50 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:44:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f0809080744w25c8de18iee2ba151422ac5dd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:30 AM, wrote: > tried your suggestion and came up with a new error here is my input: > > @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o TheLordoftheRingstheTwoTowers -c 0,11:30 > LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg > -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c 0,11:30 > LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_8 -c > 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c 0,11:30 > LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c 0,11:30 > LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg > > the output: > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > ERR: SCR moves backwards, remultiplex input. > > when I check the folder created by dvdauthor there is a file called VTS_01_1.vob > but it is an empty file You should be seeing something like this before the WARN and ERR messages. Do you see something like this? STAT: VOBU 48 at 2MB, 1 PGCS INFO: Video pts = 0.178 .. 30.174 INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 1.138 INFO: Audio[32] pts = 0.178 .. 0.178 STAT: VOBU 50 at 2MB, 1 PGCS INFO: Generating VTSM with the following video attributes: INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2 INFO: TV standard: ntsc INFO: Aspect ratio: 4:3 INFO: Resolution: 720x480 INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 8 09:59:40 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:59:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809080744w25c8de18iee2ba151422ac5dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080744w25c8de18iee2ba151422ac5dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220885980.6635.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 09:44 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:30 AM, wrote: > > > tried your suggestion and came up with a new error here is my input: > > > > @homestudio:~/Desktop$ dvdauthor -t -o TheLordoftheRingstheTwoTowers -c 0,11:30 > > LOTR_2Towers_1.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_2.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_3.mpg > > -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_4.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_5.mpg -c 0,11:30 > > LOTR_2Towers_6.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_7.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_8 -c > > 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_9.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_10.mpg -c 0,11:30 > > LOTR_2Towers_11.mpg -c 0,11:30 LOTR_2Towers_12.mpg -c 0,11:30 > > LOTR_2Towers_13.mpg > > > > the output: > > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > > WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... > > ERR: SCR moves backwards, remultiplex input. > > > > when I check the folder created by dvdauthor there is a file called VTS_01_1.vob > > but it is an empty file > > You should be seeing something like this before the WARN and ERR > messages. Do you see something like this? > > STAT: VOBU 48 at 2MB, 1 PGCS > INFO: Video pts = 0.178 .. 30.174 > INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 1.138 > INFO: Audio[32] pts = 0.178 .. 0.178 > STAT: VOBU 50 at 2MB, 1 PGCS > INFO: Generating VTSM with the following video > attributes: > INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2 > INFO: TV standard: ntsc > INFO: Aspect ratio: 4:3 > INFO: Resolution: 720x480 > INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc > no I don't. It just goes strait into the WARN ad ERR msgs. Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 10:05:58 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:06:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <1220885980.6635.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080744w25c8de18iee2ba151422ac5dd@mail.gmail.com> <1220885980.6635.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0809080805n54added9m449114c7690e2f6f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> STAT: VOBU 48 at 2MB, 1 PGCS >> INFO: Video pts = 0.178 .. 30.174 >> INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 1.138 >> INFO: Audio[32] pts = 0.178 .. 0.178 >> STAT: VOBU 50 at 2MB, 1 PGCS >> INFO: Generating VTSM with the following video >> attributes: >> INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2 >> INFO: TV standard: ntsc >> INFO: Aspect ratio: 4:3 >> INFO: Resolution: 720x480 >> INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc >> > no I don't. It just goes strait into the WARN ad ERR msgs. There seems to be a problem with dvdauthor when using rips from dvd::rip and vobcopy. The multiplexing is off and dvdauthor doesn't like this. What did you use to rip the DVD? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 8 10:07:38 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:07:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] help joining two dvd's into one file In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809080805n54added9m449114c7690e2f6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220810180.25157.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809071106w496b771en280695873fe0bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1220880431.48c5282fe20c9@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080635w2153ace2y1a6c048c6cca7771@mail.gmail.com> <1220884221.48c536fd24c6e@webmail.grandecom.net> <79ec289f0809080744w25c8de18iee2ba151422ac5dd@mail.gmail.com> <1220885980.6635.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <79ec289f0809080805n54added9m449114c7690e2f6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220886458.48c53fba65abe@webmail.grandecom.net> Quoting Jeremy Mann : > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > >> STAT: VOBU 48 at 2MB, 1 PGCS > >> INFO: Video pts = 0.178 .. 30.174 > >> INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 1.138 > >> INFO: Audio[32] pts = 0.178 .. 0.178 > >> STAT: VOBU 50 at 2MB, 1 PGCS > >> INFO: Generating VTSM with the following video > >> attributes: > >> INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2 > >> INFO: TV standard: ntsc > >> INFO: Aspect ratio: 4:3 > >> INFO: Resolution: 720x480 > >> INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc > >> > > no I don't. It just goes strait into the WARN ad ERR msgs. > > There seems to be a problem with dvdauthor when using rips from > dvd::rip and vobcopy. The multiplexing is off and dvdauthor doesn't > like this. What did you use to rip the DVD? > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > lol dvd::rip of course I will try using a different app to rip the dvds Todd From j at jvpappas.net Mon Sep 8 12:33:37 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Sep 8 12:33:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Zimbra In-Reply-To: <48C2F835.7060508@comcast.net> References: <48C2F835.7060508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809081033v48b566c0kd9e890b438253f66@mail.gmail.com> Do you mean Zimbra Desktop or the Zimbra server stack? Please clarify... On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 16:37, Ian L Target wrote: > Kubuntu 8.04 > > > Has anyone gotten Zimbra to work in Linux? My hangs with no error message. > > Ian > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:43:11 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate@gmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 16:43:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type Message-ID: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. ~Nate From justin.burdette at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:59:34 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Mon Sep 8 16:59:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: If it's a brand-name system, you can look it up on crucial.com. If it's one you (or another individual) built, try the motherboard manufacturer's website. Justin On 9/8/08, pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. > > > ~Nate > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:07:16 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:07:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: $sudo lshw On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Justin Burdette wrote: > If it's a brand-name system, you can look it up on crucial.com. If it's > one > you (or another individual) built, try the motherboard manufacturer's > website. > > Justin > > On 9/8/08, pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > > > > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell > > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System > > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. > > > > > > ~Nate > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > target="_blank">Get help from > Justin > Burdette! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:13:17 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:13:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: I should expand on that... $sudo lshw Look for the memory section...it will list the MHz of your RAM...you can then infer what you need from that. Ernest On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:43 PM, pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Mon Sep 8 17:17:41 2008 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:17:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: lshw will do it as Ernest said, and another way to do it too is to use 'dmidecode' if it's installed (and it seems to be on newer distros): > sudo dmidecode --type 17 David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest De Leon" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Check for memory type >I should expand on that... > > $sudo lshw > > Look for the memory section...it will list the MHz of your RAM...you can > then infer what you need from that. From carl.muellner at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:39:54 2008 From: carl.muellner at gmail.com (Carl Muellner) Date: Mon Sep 8 18:41:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help Message-ID: <1220917194.27175.5.camel@zeppo> > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:08:37 -0500 > From: Ian > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <48C523D5.2030906@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Chris wrote: > > Samuel Leon wrote: > > > >> Chris wrote: > >> > >>> Their aging server is running the deprecated predecessor to SME > server > >>> linux. > >>> > >>>> From what I can tell they need email, web, and dns/dhcp servics > >>>> > >>> replicated on new hardware. > >>> A stand alone firewall router box would be really nice also. > >>> > >>> The librarians are desperate enough to allow me to tackle the job. > >>> So suggesting SATLUG's people resources was an easy sell. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> > >> Where is the library at? > > Right after the dangling preposition. ;) A dangling preposition!?!?! That is something up with which I simply will not put! :o) -- Carl Muellner From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Sep 8 19:03:36 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:03:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type Message-ID: <9e32ac848634438d99bdef04fddbf112.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Agreee with Justin's suggestion to use the Crucial.com website, and entering the manufacturer and model of your motherboard (or Desktop). This will tell you the memory type(s) that should work. If you know, and/or can determine your memory part number, Google it and you'll find the specifics. There have been a some cases with Shuttle desktops,wherein DDR800/PC6400 memory was supposed to work with the motherboard/system, but had to be backed down (in the bios) to DDR667 to obtain stable operation. Lou From mckinneyb at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 19:07:06 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:07:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: Thanks Ernest. I didn't know about lshw. It's pretty awesome. :) -Brian On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > $sudo lshw > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Justin Burdette > wrote: > > > If it's a brand-name system, you can look it up on crucial.com. If it's > > one > > you (or another individual) built, try the motherboard manufacturer's > > website. > > > > Justin > > > > On 9/8/08, pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell > > > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System > > > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. > > > > > > > > > ~Nate > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > target="_blank">Get help from > > Justin > > Burdette! > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Ernest de Leon > http://www.smbtechadvice.com > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment > voiced by Benjamin Franklin > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > - > Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 19:39:35 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (pixelnate@gmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:39:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <1220920775.13847.1.camel@mobileHQ> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 19:07 -0500, Brian McKinney wrote: > Thanks Ernest. I didn't know about lshw. It's pretty awesome. :) > -Brian > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > $sudo lshw I concur. That is exactly what I needed. I was expecting something in the gui similar to Apple's System Profiler, but this has all the info I needed. Thanks. ~Nate From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Sep 8 19:49:44 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:49:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: San Antonio DSL Message-ID: Anyone have experience with " DSL Extreme " or another provider in the metro San Antonio area ? Their rates are roughly half what SBC Global charges, but cheaper isn't always better. Am trying to steer my son to another provider. Direct replies would avoid clogging Satlug. TIA Lou From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Sep 8 20:44:17 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Sep 8 20:44:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: <48C523D5.2030906@comcast.net> References: <48B370CA.6080206@grandecom.net> <48B390A7.5010709@net153.net> <48C46661.5020606@grandecom.net> <48C523D5.2030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48C5D4F1.8050907@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ian wrote: >>> Where is the library at? > > Right after the dangling preposition. ;) Which begs the reply; 'Ok. Where's the library at, (insert_derogatory_comment)'. ;-) From crynosys at grandecom.net Mon Sep 8 22:54:06 2008 From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris) Date: Mon Sep 8 22:53:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Library server retrofit... Message-ID: <48C5F35E.6070905@grandecom.net> Sorry for the delay in reply... suffered a sight gag...sinus infection... If a couple of folks are still willing to offer their assistance I can put you in touch with the Library staff. crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com From j at jvpappas.net Mon Sep 8 23:22:26 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Sep 8 23:22:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Zimbra In-Reply-To: <48C56E5A.4050601@comcast.net> References: <48C2F835.7060508@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809081033v48b566c0kd9e890b438253f66@mail.gmail.com> <48C56E5A.4050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809082122s17e919b8xaf68b3f79a583518@mail.gmail.com> Yeah. The desktop has a background service that must be running before the GUI will start. By default, it is `~/zimbra/zdesktop/zdesktop`. Once the service is running, the GUI should start up. Just out of curiosity, what version are you using? On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 13:26, Ian L. Target wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 16:37, Ian L Target wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone gotten Zimbra to work in Linux? My hangs with no error > message. > >> > >> Ian > > > John Pappas wrote: > > > Do you mean Zimbra Desktop or the Zimbra server stack? Please clarify... > > > The Desktop. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sean.crandall at ieee.org Tue Sep 9 09:46:56 2008 From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall) Date: Tue Sep 9 09:48:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help In-Reply-To: <1220917194.27175.5.camel@zeppo> References: <1220917194.27175.5.camel@zeppo> Message-ID: <48C68C60.6020700@ieee.org> Carl Muellner wrote: >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:08:37 -0500 >> From: Ian >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Library's Linux server needs help >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> >> Message-ID: <48C523D5.2030906@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Chris wrote: >>> Samuel Leon wrote: >>> >>>> Chris wrote: >>>> >>>>> Their aging server is running the deprecated predecessor to SME >> server >>>>> linux. >>>>> >>>>>> From what I can tell they need email, web, and dns/dhcp servics >>>>>> >>>>> replicated on new hardware. >>>>> A stand alone firewall router box would be really nice also. >>>>> >>>>> The librarians are desperate enough to allow me to tackle the job. >>>>> So suggesting SATLUG's people resources was an easy sell. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Where is the library at? >> Right after the dangling preposition. ;) > > > A dangling preposition!?!?! > > That is something up with which I simply will not put! > > :o) > > Okay, I'm not much fun, but I've had partners "correct" my grammar with this (along with things like starting sentences with "And" "But" and "So"). So here is the real deal from one of the masters of writing style: "The spurious rule about not ending sentences with proposition is a remnant of Latin grammar, in which a preposition was the one word that a writer could not end a sentence with [note that this sentence ends with a preposition]. But Latin grammar should never straitjacket English grammar. If the SUPERSTITION is a "rule" at all, it is a rule of rhetoric and not of grammar, the idea being to end sentences with strong words that drive a point home. That principle is sound, of course, but not to the extent of meriting lockstep adherence." From Bryan A. Garner, _The Oxford Dictionary of American Usage and Style_, p. 266 (Oxford University Press 2000). So go to town! End sentences with prepositions! And start sentences with "And" "But" and "So." Your middle school English teacher didn't know what she was talking about! Really! (Side note: Use exclamation points sparingly) Also, since this is a LUG, um, comment your shell scripts. -- Sean Crandall---Registered Patent Attorney No. 57,776. This e-mail does not constitute legal advice on any matter and is not endorsed by Jackson Walker LLP or its partners. Any comments are the sole non-legal opinion of the author. Do not rely on this e-mail for any reason. Yes, my firm really does require me to say all this because lawyers are about the only people you can still sue in Texas. From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 9 12:56:02 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:56:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Zimbra In-Reply-To: <48C66728.7010907@comcast.net> References: <48C2F835.7060508@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809081033v48b566c0kd9e890b438253f66@mail.gmail.com> <48C56E5A.4050601@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809082122s17e919b8xaf68b3f79a583518@mail.gmail.com> <48C66728.7010907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809091056p746edf49pd2b4b673641de5c1@mail.gmail.com> I am using 0.9 build 1279. As long as `~/zimbra/zdesktop/zdesktop status` indicates that the service is running, your gui should run. HTH, jp On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 07:08, Ian L. Target wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > >> Yeah. The desktop has a background service that must be running before the >> GUI will start. By default, it is `~/zimbra/zdesktop/zdesktop`. Once the >> service is running, the GUI should start up. Just out of curiosity, what >> version are you using? >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 13:26, Ian L. Target wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 16:37, Ian L Target wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone gotten Zimbra to work in Linux? My hangs with no error >>>>> >>>>> >>>> message. >>> >>> >>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> >>>> John Pappas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Do you mean Zimbra Desktop or the Zimbra server stack? Please clarify... >>>> >>>> >>> The Desktop. >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> > > Version .90 > Guess I'll wait for version 1.0! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 13:36:47 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:36:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] sendmail gurus... Message-ID: <408622.29024.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks, We grew used to update the sendmail.cf file manually to rewrite some rules in order to make emails from the customer's site look nice, however this is a growing pain as the number of servers continues to grow and people requires more detailed instructions every day on how to do what a regular sysadmin should be able to do. I know updating the file manually is silly, however, given the level of sendmail knowledge in our team stinks, yep, mine too, yep, we could have used postfix,exim or so many others but I am not getting into the trouble of rebuilding it everytime we update the OS on our boxes. one of the main goals I have is to have a rule to rewirte the From: part of the email from user@host.domain to user.host@domain why??? well that is beyond me, our customer has grown used to this setup and they have built a number of filters in their inboxes, that they pass around to process incoming mail from these boxes and I don't think that changing them is even mentionable. after looking at the sendmail.cf file, I see these statements... R$+@$w.$m$1.$w@$m R$+@$w$1.$w@$m they are under Ruleset 4, thank you. Enrique Sanchez. From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 9 16:03:24 2008 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:03:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Low-cost Internet Access Message-ID: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Our church is?sponsoring some refugee families.? Among other things, they could use computers to give them Internet access and practice at seeing and interpreting English.? I have two older PCs ready to give them; one has Ubuntu 8.04 installed and the other has Windows 98.? (Ubuntu continued to hang up in installation, so I left the old OS in.) The question is this: What is the least expensive way for them to get Internet access?? They have phone lines, so a dial-up connection could be available.? AOL wants $9.99 or $11.99 per month, depending on how much customer service is available,?for an Internet connection.? Is there a dependable, relatively trouble-free, less expensive way to go?? Thanks in advance for the help. From donguitar at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:54:56 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:55:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Low-cost Internet Access In-Reply-To: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C6F0B0.3010203@gmail.com> Arthur Hall wrote: > Our church is sponsoring some refugee families. Among other things, they could use computers to give them Internet access and practice at seeing and interpreting English. I have two older PCs ready to give them; one has Ubuntu 8.04 installed and the other has Windows 98. (Ubuntu continued to hang up in installation, so I left the old OS in.) > The question is this: What is the least expensive way for them to get Internet access? They have phone lines, so a dial-up connection could be available. AOL wants $9.99 or $11.99 per month, depending on how much customer service is available, for an Internet connection. Is there a dependable, relatively trouble-free, less expensive way to go? Thanks in advance for the help. I've had good luck with these folks for mostly-reliable dial up service. http://www.atnisp.com/internetservices.asp I wouldn't put Win98 online, it's just too insecure. Try Debian, PC-BSD or KateOS (in that order) until one of them works. The easiest way to install Debian is via the net install (on your fast connection). You'll probably be best served by an external modem; in my experience they're much easier to configure and use. I've got some older computers but I'm quite certain you could find newer, better ones in San Antonio. It's a long drive to Tow (2 hours from SA) and about anything would outperform an AMD K6-2/500 or a 450 MHz Celeron. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Sep 9 17:10:14 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:14:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Low-cost Internet Access In-Reply-To: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C6F446.7060607@futuretechsolutions.com> Not sure about the trouble-free part, not even sure if trouble free is a feature available on dial-up, but Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=internet+dial-up+%22San+Antonio%22&btnG=Google+Search Here is one that looks like it could be promising: http://www.basicisp.net/ I would do all I could to avoid AOL unless you want to cram advertising down these people's throats constantly. And last I knew, AOL was not available for Linux. Arthur Hall wrote: > Our church is sponsoring some refugee families. Among other things, they could use computers to give them Internet access and practice at seeing and interpreting English. I have two older PCs ready to give them; one has Ubuntu 8.04 installed and the other has Windows 98. (Ubuntu continued to hang up in installation, so I left the old OS in.) > The question is this: What is the least expensive way for them to get Internet access? They have phone lines, so a dial-up connection could be available. AOL wants $9.99 or $11.99 per month, depending on how much customer service is available, for an Internet connection. Is there a dependable, relatively trouble-free, less expensive way to go? Thanks in advance for the help. From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:14:40 2008 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:14:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Low-cost Internet Access In-Reply-To: <48C6F0B0.3010203@gmail.com> References: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C6F0B0.3010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0809091514g131a1303x2bbf4950be08e597@mail.gmail.com> Not sure but doesn't AT&T offer DSL for $10/month still ? I believe they have a14.99 if that is not available. Faster than dial-up 2008/9/9 Don Crowder > Arthur Hall wrote: > >> Our church is sponsoring some refugee families. Among other things, they >> could use computers to give them Internet access and practice at seeing and >> interpreting English. I have two older PCs ready to give them; one has >> Ubuntu 8.04 installed and the other has Windows 98. (Ubuntu continued to >> hang up in installation, so I left the old OS in.) >> The question is this: What is the least expensive way for them to get >> Internet access? They have phone lines, so a dial-up connection could be >> available. AOL wants $9.99 or $11.99 per month, depending on how much >> customer service is available, for an Internet connection. Is there a >> dependable, relatively trouble-free, less expensive way to go? Thanks in >> advance for the help. >> > > I've had good luck with these folks for mostly-reliable dial up service. > http://www.atnisp.com/internetservices.asp > > I wouldn't put Win98 online, it's just too insecure. Try Debian, PC-BSD or > KateOS (in that order) until one of them works. The easiest way to install > Debian is via the net install (on your fast connection). You'll probably be > best served by an external modem; in my experience they're much easier to > configure and use. > > I've got some older computers but I'm quite certain you could find newer, > better ones in San Antonio. It's a long drive to Tow (2 hours from SA) and > about anything would outperform an AMD K6-2/500 or a 450 MHz Celeron. > > > > > > > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scullison at stx.rr.com Tue Sep 9 18:22:59 2008 From: scullison at stx.rr.com (Stan Cullison) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:23:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installfest success Message-ID: <010201c912d2$ffb45410$ac87ce44@stanbito0be3x3> A great big THANK YOU to everyone at Installfest. I don't remember every name but each of you made feel very welcome. A special thanks to Al for installing Fedora 9 on my desktop. I am absolutely a beginner with Linux and have enjoyed exploring the new OS. I am not a programmer type and would therefore ask for you tolerance regarding any questions I might post. Since I live in Kerrville, a trip to San Antonio costs about $40 in my 1983 GMC truck, therefore, trips to your meetings will require certain approval negotiations here at home. Hope to see you again at future meetings. Please express my appreciation to San Antionio College personnel for the fine facilities. Stan Cullison From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:09:05 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:09:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Low-cost Internet Access In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0809091514g131a1303x2bbf4950be08e597@mail.gmail.com> References: <10634.99732.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C6F0B0.3010203@gmail.com> <128bff2f0809091514g131a1303x2bbf4950be08e597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470809091709w61c01f30pea961f87e7c82206@mail.gmail.com> Also, on the subject of multiple PC's and a single dialup line, you could throw together a small linux box (or an old laptop with a NIC and a working in linux modem/PCMCIA modem) would work great for NATing a dialup connection. It's far from elegant, but if you are using dialup and have multiple PCs, it's the best way to go without running into phone line contention issues.. :P FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Zeb Fletcher wrote: > Not sure but doesn't AT&T offer DSL for $10/month still ? I believe they > have a14.99 if that is not available. Faster than dial-up > > 2008/9/9 Don Crowder > >> Arthur Hall wrote: >> >>> Our church is sponsoring some refugee families. Among other things, they >>> could use computers to give them Internet access and practice at seeing and >>> interpreting English. I have two older PCs ready to give them; one has >>> Ubuntu 8.04 installed and the other has Windows 98. (Ubuntu continued to >>> hang up in installation, so I left the old OS in.) >>> The question is this: What is the least expensive way for them to get >>> Internet access? They have phone lines, so a dial-up connection could be >>> available. AOL wants $9.99 or $11.99 per month, depending on how much >>> customer service is available, for an Internet connection. Is there a >>> dependable, relatively trouble-free, less expensive way to go? Thanks in >>> advance for the help. >>> >> >> I've had good luck with these folks for mostly-reliable dial up service. >> http://www.atnisp.com/internetservices.asp >> >> I wouldn't put Win98 online, it's just too insecure. Try Debian, PC-BSD or >> KateOS (in that order) until one of them works. The easiest way to install >> Debian is via the net install (on your fast connection). You'll probably be >> best served by an external modem; in my experience they're much easier to >> configure and use. >> >> I've got some older computers but I'm quite certain you could find newer, >> better ones in San Antonio. It's a long drive to Tow (2 hours from SA) and >> about anything would outperform an AMD K6-2/500 or a 450 MHz Celeron. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Don Crowder >> http://www.don-guitar.com >> http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ >> http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch >> http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/donguitar >> A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mkr777 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:07:23 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (mkr777@gmail.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 09:07:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: San Antonio DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used $10 DSL from AT&T. It has been stable. Unless, speed is a concern, it is very cost effective for most. mkr On 9/8/08, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > Anyone have experience with " DSL Extreme " > or another provider in the metro San Antonio area ? > > Their rates are roughly half what SBC Global > charges, but cheaper isn't always better. > > Am trying to steer my son to another provider. > > Direct replies would avoid clogging Satlug. > > TIA Lou > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:53:13 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:53:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting tonight Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0809110753n372634aetbed03a96f341f790@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Sorry for the late e-mail. We had someone who had expressed an interest in doing a presentation on Multi-Media in Linux. I e-mailed him on Monday & haven't heard anything back. So that means I don't have anything for this evening in the way of a presentation. If anyone is interested in doing a "spur-of-the-moment" presentation step up & volunteer. I am not going to be able to make the meeting this evening so I look forward to seeing you at the next meeting. If anyone wants to do a presentation for October, please step up & volunteer. Jim Wells, President SATLUG From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Sep 11 23:35:37 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Sep 11 23:35:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> References: <1220910191.22120.29.camel@mobileHQ> Message-ID: <200809112335.37773.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 08 September 2008 04:43:11 pm pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. try "lshw |grep -A10 bank:" Tweeks From cjgruber at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:30:28 2008 From: cjgruber at gmail.com (Charles Gruber) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:30:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Booth at Computer Show Message-ID: I was at last night's SATLUG meeting and I mentioned Linux audio applications. Idea for San Antonio Linux Users Booth: Professional Audio Production in Ubuntu Featured Applications: Audicity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net): A digital audio editor similar to Soundforge and Adobe Audition. Includes advanced audio effects and editing capabilities such as as delay, compression, noise reduction, and various mixing and remixing functions. Ardour (http://www.ardour.org): Ardour is a multi-track recording software similar to Protools and Cubase. It differs from Audacity in that it is geared toward music composition and arrangement. It includes the ability to add audio, midi and "virtual instruments" into a full blown mixing environment. Also it might be good to demo end user audio apps such as Banshee ( http://banshee-project.org) and Amaork (http://amarok.kde.org). Both are better than the popular ITunes and of course don't have any DRM (digital rights management) and are open source. I have been using audacity for years and will be able to demonstrate advanced features. Ardour is similar to the Pro-tools software I have been using in the Windows and OSX environments. I have not had a chance to play with it much, but so far is it very impressive. I expect to be competent enough in Ardour to present something at the show. There are also a variety of Win 32 apps that run flawlessly under Wine in Ubuntu. In fact, showing how well (certain) Windows application run in Wine might be a good demo topic as well. This could also include a demo of Sun's "VirtualBox" a free and open source virtual host software. Let me know if you want me to put together the audio presentation. - Charles Gruber From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Sep 12 11:13:45 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Sep 12 11:13:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Booth at Computer Show Message-ID: <20080912091345.25651167@resin18.mta.everyone.net> We also need to show some not so fancy applications to show the true depth of Linux. We need a simple Text to Voice application and a simple Voice to Text application. If you have a good Linux application one or both, please let us know if you can be at the computer show to demo. If not, can we get some help in setting up a demo. Nathan Oxhandler --- cjgruber@gmail.com wrote: From: "Charles Gruber" To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Booth at Computer Show Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:30:28 -0500 I was at last night's SATLUG meeting and I mentioned Linux audio applications. Idea for San Antonio Linux Users Booth: Professional Audio Production in Ubuntu Featured Applications: Audicity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net): A digital audio editor similar to Soundforge and Adobe Audition. Includes advanced audio effects and editing capabilities such as as delay, compression, noise reduction, and various mixing and remixing functions. Ardour (http://www.ardour.org): Ardour is a multi-track recording software similar to Protools and Cubase. It differs from Audacity in that it is geared toward music composition and arrangement. It includes the ability to add audio, midi and "virtual instruments" into a full blown mixing environment. Also it might be good to demo end user audio apps such as Banshee ( http://banshee-project.org) and Amaork (http://amarok.kde.org). Both are better than the popular ITunes and of course don't have any DRM (digital rights management) and are open source. I have been using audacity for years and will be able to demonstrate advanced features. Ardour is similar to the Pro-tools software I have been using in the Windows and OSX environments. I have not had a chance to play with it much, but so far is it very impressive. I expect to be competent enough in Ardour to present something at the show. There are also a variety of Win 32 apps that run flawlessly under Wine in Ubuntu. In fact, showing how well (certain) Windows application run in Wine might be a good demo topic as well. This could also include a demo of Sun's "VirtualBox" a free and open source virtual host software. Let me know if you want me to put together the audio presentation. - Charles Gruber -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From siffland at nerdshack.com Fri Sep 12 15:01:04 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Fri Sep 12 15:01:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Booth at Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20080912091345.25651167@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080912091345.25651167@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3ae131d00809121301q702e44c6t2bfd88b2f414640e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nathan wrote: > We also need to show some not so fancy applications to show the true depth of Linux. > > We need a simple Text to Voice application and a simple Voice to Text application. > > If you have a good Linux application one or both, please let us know if you can be at the computer show to demo. If not, can we get some help in setting up a demo. > > Nathan Oxhandler > ya'all now you love festival, i mean putting 'peter piped a peck of pickled peppers....' in a text file and having the computer voice read it every time your girlfriend come into the room....yeah that is a hoot, i think the computer voice in festival has some subliminal message in it because she picks stuff up and throws it at me and calls me a geek....... Sean From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Sep 13 10:25:41 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sat Sep 13 10:25:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type Message-ID: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Check for memory type > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200809112335.37773.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Monday 08 September 2008 04:43:11 pm pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: > >> > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell >> > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System >> > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. >> > > try "lshw |grep -A10 bank:" > > Tweeks > > I confess I have not been following this thread closely but when I tried, as root, lshw on my fc8 and centos I get command not found. Is that command in a update or special download or are we talking a completely different linux distro. I know don't ask questions if you haven't been following the thread....... Well I went back and read the thread and in fc8 demidecode does work but not in centos 5 > [root@localhost ~]# lshw > -bash: lshw: command not found > [root@localhost ~]# uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5 #1 SMP Wed Jun 25 > 13:49:24 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > [root@localhost ~]# demidecode > -bash: demidecode: command not found > [root@localhost ~]# I thought centos was a RHEL equal. I guess that is what I get for thinking. I could not find either in the FC4 I have running on another box so it maybe there is a package or set of packages that needed to install that include these and similar commands. By chance anyone know which ones or the set. I can yum/rpm each command but since I do install the hardware admin in the selection of packages in the install I'm troubled as to what am I not including that has such awesome capabilties. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 10:32:27 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Sat Sep 13 10:32:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: lshw is not on some distributions by default. I know it's on newer versions of ubuntu, but it wasn't on a 6.10 server at work. Try installing it from rpm if your using fedora.. http://rpmforge.net/user/packages/lshw/ -Brian On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, gboswell wrote: > >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Check for memory type >> To: satlug@satlug.org >> Message-ID: <200809112335.37773.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On Monday 08 September 2008 04:43:11 pm pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >>> > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell >>> > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the System >>> > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it uses. >>> >>> >> >> try "lshw |grep -A10 bank:" >> >> Tweeks >> >> >> > I confess I have not been following this thread closely but when I tried, > as root, lshw on my fc8 and centos I get command not found. Is that command > in a update or special download or are we talking a completely > different linux distro. I know don't ask questions if you haven't > been following the thread....... Well I went back and read the thread > and in fc8 demidecode does work but not in centos 5 > >> [root@localhost ~]# lshw >> -bash: lshw: command not found >> [root@localhost ~]# uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5 #1 SMP Wed Jun 25 13:49:24 >> EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >> [root@localhost ~]# demidecode >> -bash: demidecode: command not found >> [root@localhost ~]# >> > I thought centos was a RHEL equal. I guess that is what I get for thinking. > > I could not find either in the FC4 I have running on another box so it > maybe there is a package or set of packages that needed to install that > include these and similar commands. By chance anyone know which ones or the > set. I can yum/rpm each command but since I do install the hardware admin in > the selection of packages in the install I'm troubled as to what am I not > including that has such awesome capabilties. > > Thanks > Boz > > -- > Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu > gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} > San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 > > Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! > > "We make a living by what we Get. > We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Sep 13 11:57:12 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sat Sep 13 11:57:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <48CBF0E8.9060907@cis.sac.accd.edu> Glenn, I have not been following it either...oops. Take a look at: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/lshw/ Steve gboswell wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Check for memory type >> To: satlug@satlug.org >> Message-ID: <200809112335.37773.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On Monday 08 September 2008 04:43:11 pm pixelnate@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> > This may sound like a stupid question, but is there any way to tell >>> > whether my machine uses 5300 0r 6400 ram? I tried looking in the >>> System >>> > Monitor but all it told me was that I had 2Gb, not which speed it >>> uses. >>> >> >> try "lshw |grep -A10 bank:" >> >> Tweeks >> >> > I confess I have not been following this thread closely but when I > tried, as root, lshw on my fc8 and centos I get command not found. Is > that command in a update or special download or are we talking a > completely different linux distro. I know don't ask questions if > you haven't been following the thread....... Well I went back and > read the thread and in fc8 demidecode does work but not in centos 5 >> [root@localhost ~]# lshw >> -bash: lshw: command not found >> [root@localhost ~]# uname -a >> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5 #1 SMP Wed Jun 25 >> 13:49:24 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux >> [root@localhost ~]# demidecode >> -bash: demidecode: command not found >> [root@localhost ~]# > I thought centos was a RHEL equal. I guess that is what I get for > thinking. > > I could not find either in the FC4 I have running on another box so it > maybe there is a package or set of packages that needed to install > that include these and similar commands. By chance anyone know which > ones or the set. I can yum/rpm each command but since I do install the > hardware admin in the selection of packages in the install I'm > troubled as to what am I not including that has such awesome capabilties. > > Thanks > Boz > From daniel at rugmonster.org Sat Sep 13 18:41:41 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Sat Sep 13 18:41:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Check for memory type In-Reply-To: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <48CBDB75.7030708@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <20080913184141.4fa4a96f@daniel-laptop.home.home> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:25:41 -0500 gboswell wrote: > I could not find either in the FC4 I have running on another box so > it maybe there is a package or set of packages that needed to install > that include these and similar commands. By chance anyone know which > ones or the set. I can yum/rpm each command but since I do install > the hardware admin in the selection of packages in the install I'm > troubled as to what am I not including that has such awesome > capabilties. You can also try dmidecode. It looks like lshw is a prettier, less cryptic output of the same information. From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 07:11:38 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Sep 14 07:11:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Computer Show - Audio Message-ID: "Let me know if you want me to put together the audio presentation. - Charles Gruber" I would say that we're pretty much all in favor of your doing the audio presentation, but Jim Wells ought to weigh in on this to make it official. Also, I would suggest that you do this audio presentation as a warm up at the Oct. meeting, but, again, Jim needs to OK it. Charles, thanks for sharing your expertise in this area. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From nathan at gvtc.com Sun Sep 14 12:33:30 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sun Sep 14 12:42:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG: UTSA Install Fest Message-ID: <20080914103330.25643C07@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Can we get the final information on the UTSA Install Fest? Room and Building info. How to get there / map. Times we are needed? What you need the install team to bring. Nathan Oxhandler From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 14 13:37:11 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Sep 14 13:37:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners Message-ID: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are more refined -- which they may never be). What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. TIA. Al Lesmerises From donguitar at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 14:00:26 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun Sep 14 14:00:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for > her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's > several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit > that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are > more refined -- which they may never be). > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and > what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer > to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid sample. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Sep 14 14:07:13 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Sep 14 14:07:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48CD60E1.5080001@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Alan Lesmerises wrote: | I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for | her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's | several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit | that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are | more refined -- which they may never be). | | What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) | with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and | what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer | to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. | | TIA. Brother's printers are vendor supported. They've got a network-based (like it has an ethernet port [or a wirelesscard] in it already) all-in-one scanner/copier/laser printer, and *all* of that works in linux. It's more expensiver, but I want one really badly. I have an HL-2070n and it works wonderfully in linux. - -- David Kowis www.ronpaul2008.com - Ron Paul for President! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJIzWDhAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObbycMAIygyce29vIBWzfp45TLNYGE LaJ2vsTNT/kcP1Ei+lXdEuHJb3a+YW2YZ6GYjtvdoKixItt1XUYLCTghCpLzziib ipcgrk54ITafuTfzztk2bSH6do/dD/nNRlR59NFE+vYPfrekvfrNyMAkYlm53qxA K/yuCy+LPS4o90tT/RItbJBrQNY6XrrSSBRTzqp1exguXhZAN+isX3+7jn46SLLY nQbsVi0Lu1cjyTxJKGUJL2gv1AsGASoWeinAoOJY+vZGQB2SH7vSdBEon55bIKaF UVH6BMcJgt/BkD9Xzdbrwaf7WVFJDuidCBHNsbxF9lhzgwl6AsE3Q1SUZkapX3Lt nmH6Pz5buA68s8JDHoKEpQVAe9lYFZWAklXudFM48m+p2JS7wfoYB9Da1iGayc5z 8bd67vbj1l+h86/6vM7HtmiSnLEJJ0Lb5/MWUPGRIr/zPgQugCwMkR58PtuGb2fv /yYYmVRiIB/tAbQtze6dzNaexmb6X9MO1MXYdExAFw== =Ek1p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 14 14:25:20 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 14 14:25:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:23:56 -0500, "Ian L. Target" wrote: >Does the SAT LUG do any key signing at its meetings? Not so far, but our neighboring group XCSSA (www.xcssa.org) has held two key signing sessions. SATLUG members have been welcome at those. --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 14:29:19 2008 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Sep 14 14:29:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0809141229s566c58e5sba6689ef8e1253f7@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for her > Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's several > years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit that was more > Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are more refined -- which > they may never be). > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) with > various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and what I > should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer to go with > an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises I've got an HP Photosmart 2575 all-in-one printerj/coper/scanner, and when I went into cups to configure it, it already detected it and asked if I wanted to add it. One of the nice features is that it's network capable and works great with either windows or linux. Ed From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:15:22 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:15:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> Message-ID: someone explain a "key signing session" to me please? :) -Brian On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:23:56 -0500, "Ian L. Target" > wrote: > > >Does the SAT LUG do any key signing at its meetings? > > Not so far, but our neighboring group XCSSA (www.xcssa.org) has held two > key > signing sessions. SATLUG members have been welcome at those. --Don > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:16:42 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:16:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0809141229s566c58e5sba6689ef8e1253f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <8ee65edd0809141229s566c58e5sba6689ef8e1253f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've also had great luck with HP printers. My deskjet f4140 worked immediately without any special configuration. -Brian On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Alan Lesmerises > wrote: > > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for her > > Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's several > > years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit that was > more > > Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are more refined -- > which > > they may never be). > > > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > with > > various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and what I > > should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer to go > with > > an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > > > TIA. > > > > Al Lesmerises > I've got an HP Photosmart 2575 all-in-one printerj/coper/scanner, and > when I went into cups to configure it, it already detected it and > asked if I wanted to add it. One of the nice features is that it's > network capable and works great with either windows or linux. > > Ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:29:35 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:31:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809141529.35131.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 September 2008 14:00:26 Don Crowder wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: > > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for > > her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's > > several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit > > that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are > > more refined -- which they may never be). > > > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > > with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and > > what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer > > to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug and > Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid sample. > HP is best. New models are usually supported within a month or so of release. Most any model you get will already be supported with HP's unified driver. If you get a new model, go here for the latest HP driver, hplip: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ Standard inkjets, All-in-ones (PSC models), OfficeJets, etc. are all covered. I got an OfficeJet J6450 back in May at Costco, and the new hplip release supported it beautifully across my wireless network and even installed Fax support and scanning with sane. John C From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:34:07 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:35:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <8ee65edd0809141229s566c58e5sba6689ef8e1253f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809141534.07532.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 September 2008 15:16:42 Brian McKinney wrote: > I've also had great luck with HP printers. My deskjet f4140 worked > immediately without any special configuration. > -Brian > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Ed Coates wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Alan Lesmerises > > wrote: > > > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for her > > > Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's several > > > years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit that was > > more > > > Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are more refined -- > > which > > > they may never be). > > > > > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > > with > > > various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and what I > > > should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer to go > > with > > > an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > > > > > TIA. > > > > > > Al Lesmerises > > I've got an HP Photosmart 2575 all-in-one printerj/coper/scanner, and > > when I went into cups to configure it, it already detected it and > > asked if I wanted to add it. One of the nice features is that it's > > network capable and works great with either windows or linux. > > > > Ed > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > HP printers work so well because HP actually develops the hplip driver. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 16:26:23 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Sep 14 16:27:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200809141626.23722.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 14 September 2008 13:37:11 Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for > her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's > several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit > that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are > more refined -- which they may never be). > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and > what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer > to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > > Most of the time, for HP, simply having cups and hplip installed is fine. If you get an HP printer and need to install the latest hplip driver from http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ (for a very recent model printer), be sure to have the following installed: cups-devel libusb-devel optional: sane-devel (for scanning with an all-in-one, photosmart, psc, or officejet) libnetsnmp-devel or libnet-snmp-devel From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Sep 14 16:53:45 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Sep 14 16:53:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG: UTSA Install Fest In-Reply-To: <20080914103330.25643C07@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080914103330.25643C07@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <1221429225.6596.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 10:33 -0700, Nathan wrote: > Can we get the final information on the UTSA Install Fest? > > Room and Building info. How to get there / map. Times we are needed? What you need the install team to bring. > > Nathan Oxhandler this would be nice. I would like to inform fellow grad students in the anthro department about this. Todd From justin.burdette at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 17:17:48 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:17:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <200809141626.23722.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <200809141626.23722.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/14/08, John D Choate wrote: > > On Sunday 14 September 2008 13:37:11 Alan Lesmerises wrote: > > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for > > her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's > > several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit > > that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are > > more refined -- which they may never be). > > > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > > with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and > > what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer > > to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > > > TIA. > > > > Al Lesmerises > > > > > > > Most of the time, for HP, simply having cups and hplip installed is fine. > > If you get an HP printer and need to install the latest hplip driver from > http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ (for a very recent model printer), be sure > to have the following installed: > cups-devel > libusb-devel > > optional: > sane-devel (for scanning with an all-in-one, photosmart, psc, or officejet) > > libnetsnmp-devel or libnet-snmp-devel > I'm running the OfficeJet Pro L7555 here over my network. It prints flawlessly from every computer I have. Scanning in Linux is still awkward for me, but the pictures come out just fine. Justin -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 14 17:29:23 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:29:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:15:22 -0500, "Brian McKinney" wrote: >someone explain a "key signing session" to me please? :) >-Brian Wikipedia has several good references for "key signing". It's often quicker and easier to use a search engine or Wikipedia to investigate terminology that's unclear than to send a message to a mailing list. As Cosby says, "You just might learn something." -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 17:49:26 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:49:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners Message-ID: I have an old multifunction, scan, print, fax, and copy unit that works well in CUPS. It is a G85 Officejet, and takes the color and black cartridges - its biggest fault. However, it is fairly tolerant of refills. I use it on the LAN with an HP print server. Now I am letting it sit in favor of a cheap Samsung ML2010 laser ptr. Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 17:54:29 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:54:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> Message-ID: So we're not supposed to ask questions on this mailing list then? I thought that was the point. People ask questions everyday, I don't see how mine was different unless you didn't like my wording. If so, I apologize. I understand how a search engine works, I just thought I'd just further the conversation for those of us who may not understand gpg key signing. -Brian On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:15:22 -0500, "Brian McKinney" > wrote: > > >someone explain a "key signing session" to me please? :) > >-Brian > > Wikipedia has several good references for "key signing". > > It's often quicker and easier to use a search engine or Wikipedia to > investigate terminology that's unclear than to send a message to a mailing > list. As Cosby says, "You just might learn something." > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sun Sep 14 17:54:37 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:55:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48CD962D.7080108@futuretechsolutions.com> My parents have an OfficeJet 76xx series(not sure which one off the top of my head) that prints wonderfully across the network from my fedora box that I have to use when I'm down there. Not sure about the scanner functionality as I didn't have a need to test that. Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for > her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's > several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit > that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are > more refined -- which they may never be). > > What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) > with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and > what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer > to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 14 18:30:00 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Sep 14 18:30:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9j7rc4pns05d9c7u1i9cdsfq88vh7r1qf7@4ax.com> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:54:29 -0500, "Brian McKinney" wrote: >So we're not supposed to ask questions on this mailing list then? http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 18:37:37 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Sun Sep 14 18:37:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ian. I'm familiar with gpg and have used it before to digitally sign e-mails. I just didn't understand the concept of having others "sign" your key, and had not heard of key signing sessions before. Thank you for the explanation, and I'm sorry if my original question, and subsequent reply, came off as rude. I didn't mean to offend. -Brian On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Ian L. Target wrote: > Brian McKinney wrote: > > someone explain a "key signing session" to me please? :) > > -Brian > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Don Wright > wrote: > > > > > I'll answer your question - even after you top-posted. ;) > > There is a good chance that you have not met most of the people on this > list. Even if you attend the monthly meetings, you may know only a hand > full of the people on this list. There is nothing to stop someone from > getting on Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, Excite, Lycos, etc., etc., and getting > a free email address and associating that email address with any only > ficticious name. So having a encryption key really doesn't amount to a > whole lot unless you have actually met the person. Since you may > encounter a public key from someone half way around the world, meeting > them in person is highly unlikely. So, roughly (very roughly) in a "six > degrees of separation" kind of way, depending on how many people have > signed your key, depends on how "good" the key is. I am floundering . . > . someone else take it from here. > > Ian > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From mckinneyb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 18:52:10 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Sun Sep 14 18:52:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Ian L. Target wrote: > Brian McKinney wrote: > > Thanks Ian. I'm familiar with gpg and have used it before to digitally > sign > > e-mails. I just didn't understand the concept of having others "sign" > your > > key, and had not heard of key signing sessions before. Thank you for the > > explanation, and I'm sorry if my original question, and subsequent reply, > > came off as rude. I didn't mean to offend. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > I didn't find your message offensive. Just the top posting. ;) > Sorry about that... gmail makes it a little to easy to top post when writing a quick message. :) If anyone knows a way to change the way gmail handles quoting I would love to know. I've looked all over the settings but haven't found it. -Brian > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Sep 15 00:16:17 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Sep 15 00:16:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg In-Reply-To: References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> Message-ID: <200809150016.17916.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 14 September 2008 03:15:22 pm Brian McKinney wrote: > someone explain a "key signing session" to me please? :) > -Brian The WHY is to establish a "web of trust": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust A "Web of Trust", in a nut shell, is a decentralized grass roots trust model is an alternative to the centralized trust model of a public key infrastructure (PKI), which relies exclusively on a certificate authority (or a hierarchy of such, like what verisign/SSL certificates rely on). Building up this "web of trust" requires open, but overseen keysigning parties... that groups like ours should all be actively involved in. The HOW (these are the directions that we used for the last couple of XCSSA keysigning parties): http://xcssa.org/files/archives/XCSSA_2008-03-17.html So far.. we seem to do around one per year or so. We might be able to be convinced to do another if it would help more SATLUG folks get with the program.. ;) Tweeks (I guess I should have signed this email.. but I'm too lazy to get up and go get my signing fob.. :) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Sep 15 01:36:59 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Sep 15 01:37:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] XCSSA Meeting: It's X-otic/Robotic Hardware Hack Night! (Mon, September 15th, 7pm) In-Reply-To: <200809130052.47608.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200809130052.47608.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200809150136.59712.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> To give some more detail on what we're having at XCSSA Monday night... the website's been updated with all the interesting Tide-bits: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-09-15.html#NEXT Including interesting photos and links.. The two presentations are titled: The San Antonio TIER "Educational Robotics" Program:By: Mike Henry and The Appledore: Hacking the 80's with Microcontrollers:By: /Fredrik Fun stuff... See ya Monday night... Tweeks On Saturday 13 September 2008 12:52:47 am X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: > Xotic Computer Systems of San Antonio * > \_____\________\__________\___\______X > \________\__________\___\_____C > \__________\___\____S > \___\___S > \__A > (* this email is best viewed in fixed fonts) > http://xcssa.org > > Hey all! > This Monday's session has a bit of everything. First, we have a guest > speaker from the Texas Institute for Educational Robotics (TIER) giving a > talk on the TIER educational robotics program. Mike Henry is going to talk > a bit on what TIER is about, what volunteer coaching, mentoring and > volunteer opportunities that they having coming up in Q3-Q1... and I > believe that he'll have one of their demo robotic platforms with him to > show also. Pretty cool. :) > > Next up, we have Fredrik giving a presentation and demo on some way cool > X-otic Apple-I clone hardware that he's hacked together and is interfacing > to it via the custom microcontroller based "C=64 Terminal" that he was > working on in last month's meeting using his propeller microcontroller! > Should be cool seeing it all come together. :) > > That's about it for tonight.. I'll update the web site once I get some more > details, links and bullets from the two parties. > > > Where? > -------- > We'll be at our regular meeting place, the Nail Technical Center on San > Antonio College Campus at 7pm. Map here: > http://xcssa.org/#MAP > > Hope to see you there! > > > Tweeks > President of XCSSA.ORG > _______________________________________________ > XCSSA mailing list > XCSSA@xcssa.org > http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Sep 15 04:48:48 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Sep 15 04:49:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Don Crowder wrote: > My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug > and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid > sample. they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 05:58:12 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Sep 15 05:58:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD5B36.40206@comcast.net> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5B36.40206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0809150358y1f271763q9200404b4e0750b1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Ian L. Target wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> >> > I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the > impression that one of the strong points of Linux was its ability to run > old hardware? Especially printers! Did you actually try setting up the > printer? If yes, did you get any error messages? Post them if you > did. Exactly what issues are you having with the printer? > > Ian > -- The problem with some cheaper printers, particularly Lexmark, is that they are "winprinters" (just like a winmodem). These printers only have enough intelligence to move the ink cartridge back and forth and spit out ink .. all of the processing is done on the PC. My mom bought a Lexmark printer/copier/scanner that couldn't even make a copy unless it was plugged into a PC. Eventually there may be reliable Linux drivers, but the printers are generally crappy to begin with, so why bother? The HP all-in-one systems are pretty solid in Linux, especially if they have network printing built in already. I even got the network scanning to work on my OfficeJet 7310. -Henry From afcasta at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 15 06:30:35 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon Sep 15 06:30:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CD5B36.40206@comcast.net> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5B36.40206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1221478235.12976.13.camel@phrodo> On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 13:43 -0500, Ian L. Target wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: > > [requests opinions about all-in-one printer/scanner/fax machines > > easier to set up with Linux than his current Lexmark] > I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the > impression that one of the strong points of Linux was its ability to run > old hardware? Especially printers! Did you actually try setting up the > printer? If yes, did you get any error messages? Post them if you > did. Exactly what issues are you having with the printer? Lexmark printers have for years been the syadmin's bane. I remember having to buy and install MarkVision software on my UNIX servers to get them to play nice with Lexmark printers, because the only drivers Lexmark offered for them were for Windows. This does not show a failing of Linux any more than it does of commercial UNIX operating systems. Only in the past few years has CUPS been able to set up Lexmark printers as "Generic PostScript" with Foomatic and made those Redmond-centric beasts useful. I'll mirror others comments about how bog-simple it is to set up the HP PSC all-in-ones in Linux - mine is several years old, and the Windows Drivers CD takes about 25 minutes to install, but Linux sets up CUPS, hplip, and Xsane drivers for it as soon as it's detected. I've set up Brother and Dell printers with Linux at a lab on what was Brooks AFB without much trouble, but Lexmarks have always given me trouble. Al Castanoli From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 07:45:59 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Sep 15 07:46:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? Message-ID: Hi, Perhaps some will recall the Everex GreenPC that I brought to the Aug. meeting to demo Ubuntu 8.04.1. I am now looking at changing it to Puppy as it gives good results on this low-performance PC. I'm sure that much of the performance boost is due to running a live CD session in ram so now what steps will help keep this performance when changing over to a regular HD install? Clearly, I can just follow the procedure from the Puppy site, but wonder if there may be some tips on doing this? Nate, I know that you have a lot of experience with Puppy. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 15 07:48:21 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Sep 15 07:50:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CE5995.6000708@suddenlink.net> Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, Perhaps some will recall the Everex GreenPC that > I brought to the Aug. meeting to demo Ubuntu 8.04.1. > I am now looking at changing it to Puppy as it gives good > results on this low-performance PC. I'm sure that much > of the performance boost is due to running a live CD > session in ram so now what steps will help keep this > performance when changing over to a regular HD install? > Clearly, I can just follow the procedure from the Puppy site, > but wonder if there may be some tips on doing this? > Nate, I know that you have a lot of experience > with Puppy. > > Thanks, Howard I have tried to follow their instructions on a number of occasions. No joy so far. If it happens for you, let me know. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 15 08:21:58 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 15 08:22:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? In-Reply-To: <48CE5995.6000708@suddenlink.net> References: <48CE5995.6000708@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1221484918.6596.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I don't know for sure...but it seems logical to asume that you should only notice a performace difference when booting up and that should be for the better. Todd On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 07:48 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > > Hi, Perhaps some will recall the Everex GreenPC that > > I brought to the Aug. meeting to demo Ubuntu 8.04.1. > > I am now looking at changing it to Puppy as it gives good > > results on this low-performance PC. I'm sure that much > > of the performance boost is due to running a live CD > > session in ram so now what steps will help keep this > > performance when changing over to a regular HD install? > > Clearly, I can just follow the procedure from the Puppy site, > > but wonder if there may be some tips on doing this? > > Nate, I know that you have a lot of experience > > with Puppy. > > > > Thanks, Howard > > > I have tried to follow their instructions on a number of occasions. No > joy so far. If it happens for you, let me know. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:09:32 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Sep 15 09:10:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <200809150909.32967.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 15 September 2008 04:48:48 Geoff wrote: > Don Crowder wrote: > > My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug > > and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid > > sample. > > > they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. > > There always has to be one party-pooper. From misteratomic at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:34:03 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Mon Sep 15 09:34:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60809150734w38354b16u199976a1cbe020c8@mail.gmail.com> I'll have to also vote for HP. After months of waiting for native drivers for the newer Kodak cheap inkjets, I settled on a HP 7680 Office Jet AIO with ethernet. I could not have asked for a better behaving printer. All functions work with linux. In fact, I could not get it working with XP or NT2k. XP worked with a buggy driver which prevented the laptop from shutting down and NT2K was also a bother. All the linux boxen in the house print to it perfectly. HP printer usability and productivity is better in linux. Marc On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:16 PM, wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:00:26 -0500 > From: Don Crowder > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> I have a new system I want to set-up for my wife, but the drivers for >> her Lexmark printer-scanner are not ready for prime time. Since it's >> several years old, I figured it might be more practical to find a unit >> that was more Linux-friendly (rather than wait until the drivers are >> more refined -- which they may never be). >> >> What I would like to know is what are your experiences (collectively) >> with various brands and/or specific models of scanners & printers and >> what I should be looking for in a new unit. If possible, I would prefer >> to go with an all-in-one unit, for space-saving reasons. > > My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug and > Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid sample. > -------------- next part -------------- > Don Crowder > http://www.don-guitar.com > http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ > http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch > http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/donguitar > A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Sep 15 09:36:38 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Sep 15 09:36:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <200809150909.32967.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <200809150909.32967.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE72F6.60204@w5omr.shacknet.nu> John D Choate wrote: > On Monday 15 September 2008 04:48:48 Geoff wrote: > >> Don Crowder wrote: >> >>> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug >>> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid >>> sample. >>> >> they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. >> >> >> > > There always has to be one party-pooper. just stating the facts, man... Lexmark, and HP are -tough- on ink. Of the two, HP doesn't tolerate ink refills very well. Lexmark is a -little- better, but not much. when the ink heads are clogged, it's time to chunk the thing and get a new printer,because the heads and/or cleaning them is more expensive than a new printer. From tuupes80 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:49:06 2008 From: tuupes80 at hotmail.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Mon Sep 15 09:49:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CE72F6.60204@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <200809150909.32967.jdchoate@gmail.com> <48CE72F6.60204@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Here is the HP page on Linux printers: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/587603-0-0-0-121.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN Stewart Smith > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:36:38 -0500> From: geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners> > John D Choate wrote:> > On Monday 15 September 2008 04:48:48 Geoff wrote:> > > >> Don Crowder wrote:> >> > >>> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug> >>> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid> >>> sample.> >>> > >> they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink.> >>> >>> >> > >> > There always has to be one party-pooper.> > just stating the facts, man... Lexmark, and HP are -tough- on ink. Of> the two, HP doesn't tolerate ink refills very well. Lexmark is a> -little- better, but not much. when the ink heads are clogged, it's> time to chunk the thing and get a new printer,because the heads and/or> cleaning them is more expensive than a new printer.> > > -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From misteratomic at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 10:50:49 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:50:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: HP Printer efficiency Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60809150850s25be86b0m5047c2fb7b78326a@mail.gmail.com> I can only offer opinion on the L7680 AIO that I have. It's very efficient with ink, uses large cartridges, has separate print heads. I purchase the HP large ink tanks at a lower price from a SAMs Club and they last a dang awful long time. To me this equates to a low cost per print especially considering the quality of print / usability / durability. Paraphrasing from a review in PC World: Approx 1.4 Cents per Print B&W and 5 Cents for Color using retail pricing on the carts. I can't say purchasing this printer has been anything but a good move on my part. The best part is that this printer is available at a really good price these days. However, some of the lower cost AIOs and printers are ghastly expensive with the combined ink/printhead carts. I can't argue with that assessment. Marc On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:48:48 -0500 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Don Crowder wrote: >> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug >> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid >> sample. > > > they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. > From mkr777 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:34:24 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (mkr777@gmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 15 12:34:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RE: HP Printer efficiency In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60809150850s25be86b0m5047c2fb7b78326a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60809150850s25be86b0m5047c2fb7b78326a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One problem I had some years ago with inkjets is drying up of the print heads when you infrequently use it. I do not know if this has improved. With infrequent printing, I have had good luck with laser printers. Any comments? mkr On 9/15/08, Marc Ripley wrote: > > I can only offer opinion on the L7680 AIO that I have. > It's very efficient with ink, uses large cartridges, has separate print > heads. > > I purchase the HP large ink tanks at a lower price from a SAMs Club > and they last a dang awful long time. > To me this equates to a low cost per print especially considering the > quality of print / usability / durability. > > Paraphrasing from a review in PC World: > Approx 1.4 Cents per Print B&W and 5 Cents for Color using retail > pricing on the carts. > > I can't say purchasing this printer has been anything but a good move > on my part. > The best part is that this printer is available at a really good price > these days. > > However, some of the lower cost AIOs and printers are ghastly > expensive with the combined ink/printhead carts. > I can't argue with that assessment. > > Marc > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:48:48 -0500 > > From: Geoff > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > > Message-ID: <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Don Crowder wrote: > >> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug > >> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid > >> sample. > > > > > > they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:18:12 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:18:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0809151118w6c9a65b0nb7d17e33fab9d3bc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, Perhaps some will recall the Everex GreenPC that > I brought to the Aug. meeting to demo Ubuntu 8.04.1. > I am now looking at changing it to Puppy as it gives good > results on this low-performance PC. I'm sure that much > of the performance boost is due to running a live CD > session in ram so now what steps will help keep this > performance when changing over to a regular HD install? > Clearly, I can just follow the procedure from the Puppy site, > but wonder if there may be some tips on doing this? > Nate, I know that you have a lot of experience > with Puppy. Howard, Can't you just do a frugal install of Puppy? I have a frugal install on my machine at home & IIRC, it is basically loading the ISO like it does when booting from a live CD. Nathan can correct me if I'm wrong on that. I did a full install on a friend's low-end machine a few weeks ago & he seems happy with it. The only thing he has mentioned about is that he's impressed with the speed of it. Jim From president at satlug.org Mon Sep 15 13:19:23 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:19:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Computer Show - Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0809151119g418d28fdxaa03209070e08f8@mail.gmail.com> Charles, As we have nothing setup for the October presentation, and you are interested in putting it on, by all means go for it & put it on the calender for the meeting. If you can let me know off list what you'll need for the meeting, we can see about making sure you have it for the presentation. Jim Wells On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > "Let me know if you want me to put together the audio presentation. > - Charles Gruber" > I would say that we're pretty much all in favor of your doing > the audio presentation, but Jim Wells ought to weigh in on > this to make it official. Also, I would suggest that you do > this audio presentation as a warm up at the Oct. meeting, but, > again, Jim needs to OK it. > > Charles, thanks for sharing your expertise in this area. > > Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:30:08 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:30:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.barackobama.com http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.johnmccain.com For Obama, it says: OS Server Linux PWS/1.3.22 Looking at the web site source, it does not seem to be created by a generator. They do seem to be using php, css, and javascript, but a check of html validity gives 69 errors and 9 warnings for http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/ For McCain: Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 Looking at the web site source, the page seems to be done in asp. It does not seem to be done by a generator. The source seems to be a bit more sloppy than Obama's. http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/cbcd3a48-4b0e-4864-8be1-d04561c132ea.htm has 94 errors and 55 warnings. As far as I know, PWS is Personal Web Server which is a Windows product. IIS or course doesn't run on Linux. Are they both running virtual Windows instances under Linux? The links to the candidate websites are where they address technology issues. Opinions? -- Bruce From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:33:00 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:34:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CE72F6.60204@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <200809150909.32967.jdchoate@gmail.com> <48CE72F6.60204@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <200809151333.01016.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 15 September 2008 09:36:38 Geoff wrote: > John D Choate wrote: > > On Monday 15 September 2008 04:48:48 Geoff wrote: > > > >> Don Crowder wrote: > >> > >>> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug > >>> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid > >>> sample. > >>> > >> they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. > >> > >> > >> > > > > There always has to be one party-pooper. > > just stating the facts, man... Lexmark, and HP are -tough- on ink. Of > the two, HP doesn't tolerate ink refills very well. Lexmark is a > -little- better, but not much. when the ink heads are clogged, it's > time to chunk the thing and get a new printer,because the heads and/or > cleaning them is more expensive than a new printer. > > I should have included a smiley in my last post 'cause I was just having fun. :) As far as print heads clogging up... most HP inkjets have the print head built in to the ink cartridge. So if it dries up, get a new ink cartridge and you're good to print again. No need to chuck the printer or pay for expensive repairs. That's a big reason their ink is pricey. After my past experiences with Epson, I'll never own one again because of the reasons you stated. From donguitar at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:42:57 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:43:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners In-Reply-To: <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48CD59D7.8010607@satx.rr.com> <48CD5F4A.6070906@gmail.com> <48CE2F80.1000105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <48CEACB1.8020400@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > Don Crowder wrote: >> My experience is that just about any HP printer is essentially "Plug >> and Play" in Linux and I've set up enough of them to represent a valid >> sample. > > > they're also the most inefficient and most expensive on ink. > > Define "efficient". HP printers cost me little or nothing at my favorite flea market and remanufactured ink cartridges from abacus are comparatively inexpensive. http://www.abacus24-7.com/ My deskjet 950C cost me $12 and a pair of rebuilt cartridges from abacus were less than $35 delivered, well over six months ago. I don't know how our printing needs could be met more economically. Insofar as I know ink is too darn expensive no matter what brand of printer you're using. I don't have a brand preference if I'm setting up a printer for someone though I do hope I can continue to avoid trying to setup a Lexmark printer on a Linux system, but if someone asks me which printer I'd recommend for ordinary home use I begin by asking if there are any writers or photographers in the family. If I get a negative to both questions I recommend HP. If I get a positive to either question I recommend google. Take the time to do some research and, with luck, learn from other people's mistakes before spending your own hard-earned funds. I picked up an HP Deskjet 3650 at a flea market a while back. When I pointed out that it didn't have a power supply they just gave it to me. I bought a new "wall wart" on eBay for fourteen dollars and change (delivered), hooked it up to a Debian machine, spent about five minutes configuring it and printed a test page. The test page printed perfectly (meaning the extant cartridges are still good) so I'm giving this one to a teen-aged student to whom I gave a computer a few weeks ago. If it hadn't worked I'd probably have simply sold the power supply on eBay for $12, buy now, with free shipping. Most folks don't make a hobby of giving away computers and can't afford the time it takes to acquire and test used hardware but that's part of my point. As knowledgeable computer users who are often asked for assistance and/or advice by less knowledgeable users we have a responsibility to produce an answer that's based on the user's needs rather than our personal preferences and prejudices. What works for me may not work for you. Linux can answer the needs of many (I'd go so far as to say most), but not all computer users who nevertheless have widely different requirements. That's the coolest thing about Linux isn't it? -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:46:04 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:46:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm...I thought PWS was on version 4.0 back in the Win98 days. Perhaps it isn't the same PWS? As far as the IIS on Linux...they may be running Mono. Ernest On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.barackobama.com > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.johnmccain.com > > For Obama, it says: > > OS Server > Linux PWS/1.3.22 > > Looking at the web site source, it does not seem to be created by a > generator. They do seem to be using php, css, and javascript, but a check of > html validity gives 69 errors and 9 warnings for > http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/ > > For McCain: > Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 > > Looking at the web site source, the page seems to be done in asp. It does > not seem to be done by a generator. The source seems to be a bit more > sloppy than Obama's. > > > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/cbcd3a48-4b0e-4864-8be1-d04561c132ea.htm > has 94 errors and 55 warnings. > > As far as I know, PWS is Personal Web Server which is a Windows product. > IIS or course doesn't run on Linux. Are they both running virtual Windows > instances under Linux? > > The links to the candidate websites are where they address technology > issues. > > Opinions? > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jtiner at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 15 14:11:59 2008 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (jtiner@satx.rr.com) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:12:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites Message-ID: <7764113.2385001221505919280.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web03-z02> Maybe a racker could answer this more specifically, but McCain could be using something like mosimo. ---- Ernest De Leon wrote: > Hmm...I thought PWS was on version 4.0 back in the Win98 days. Perhaps it > isn't the same PWS? As far as the IIS on Linux...they may be running Mono. > > Ernest > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: > > > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.barackobama.com > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.johnmccain.com > > > > For Obama, it says: > > > > OS Server > > Linux PWS/1.3.22 > > > > Looking at the web site source, it does not seem to be created by a > > generator. They do seem to be using php, css, and javascript, but a check of > > html validity gives 69 errors and 9 warnings for > > http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/ > > > > For McCain: > > Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 > > > > Looking at the web site source, the page seems to be done in asp. It does > > not seem to be done by a generator. The source seems to be a bit more > > sloppy than Obama's. > > > > > > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/cbcd3a48-4b0e-4864-8be1-d04561c132ea.htm > > has 94 errors and 55 warnings. > > > > As far as I know, PWS is Personal Web Server which is a Windows product. > > IIS or course doesn't run on Linux. Are they both running virtual Windows > > instances under Linux? > > > > The links to the candidate websites are where they address technology > > issues. > > > > Opinions? > > > > -- Bruce > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jm at allensonthe.net Mon Sep 15 14:31:43 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:31:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 13:46, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Hmm...I thought PWS was on version 4.0 back in the Win98 days. Perhaps it > isn't the same PWS? As far as the IIS on Linux...they may be running Mono. > > Ernest > It's also possible that the site is running behind some sort of load balancing appliance or reverse proxy, which would explain the OS vs. web server discord. I'd be surprised if both sites weren't behind such a device... -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From nathan at gvtc.com Mon Sep 15 14:59:43 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:59:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? Message-ID: <20080915125943.48EBE9A8@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Howard, It seems to be computer dependent which install is best. A full hard drive install is best if you plan to add lots of programs. The frugal or save file both work also. Make sure you have a swap partitions 4 times the size of you memory. Other then that follow the manual for the version of puppy you are using. There are some minor changes between the 3.x series and the 4.x series. Nathan --- hharadon@gmail.com wrote: From: "Howard Haradon" To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Installing PuppyLinux to Hard Drive? Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:45:59 +0800 Hi, Perhaps some will recall the Everex GreenPC that I brought to the Aug. meeting to demo Ubuntu 8.04.1. I am now looking at changing it to Puppy as it gives good results on this low-performance PC. I'm sure that much of the performance boost is due to running a live CD session in ram so now what steps will help keep this performance when changing over to a regular HD install? Clearly, I can just follow the procedure from the Puppy site, but wonder if there may be some tips on doing this? Nate, I know that you have a lot of experience with Puppy. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:22:07 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:22:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was actually something I thought about...perhaps they are behind some F5's that were configured to respond as IIS? That would be pretty odd, but then again, it would be pretty funny. Ernest On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Jon Mark Allen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 13:46, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > Hmm...I thought PWS was on version 4.0 back in the Win98 days. Perhaps > it > > isn't the same PWS? As far as the IIS on Linux...they may be running > Mono. > > > > Ernest > > > > It's also possible that the site is running behind some sort of load > balancing appliance or reverse proxy, which would explain the OS vs. > web server discord. I'd be surprised if both sites weren't behind > such a device... > > -- > JM > > /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't > been much of a day. > -- John A. Wheeler */ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From charles at charlesgruber.com Mon Sep 15 16:36:04 2008 From: charles at charlesgruber.com (Charles Gruber) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:36:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Computer Show - Audio In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0809151119g418d28fdxaa03209070e08f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0809151119g418d28fdxaa03209070e08f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is there some sort of cart available for me to roll in my desktop box, and small amplifier and speakers from my car to the building? Other than that, all I will need is an LCD projector. - Charles Gruber On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 13:19, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Charles, > As we have nothing setup for the October presentation, and you are > interested in putting it on, by all means go for it & put it on the > calender for the meeting. If you can let me know off list what you'll > need for the meeting, we can see about making sure you have it for the > presentation. > > Jim Wells > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Howard Haradon > wrote: > > "Let me know if you want me to put together the audio presentation. > > - Charles Gruber" > > I would say that we're pretty much all in favor of your doing > > the audio presentation, but Jim Wells ought to weigh in on > > this to make it official. Also, I would suggest that you do > > this audio presentation as a warm up at the Oct. meeting, but, > > again, Jim needs to OK it. > > > > Charles, thanks for sharing your expertise in this area. > > > > Howard > > -- > > Howard Haradon > > San Antonio, TX USA > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:41:55 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:41:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Returning to San Antonio Message-ID: To all on the list who know me (and those who may not but care?) I will be returning to San Antonio the first part of October. I have taken a position as a Chief Enterprise Architect/Dir. of Eng. for a local company and will be leaving California soon. I was out here a little more than a year, but as you may well know, a Texan can't live without Texas for long. I look forward to returning to the meetings and being a more active member of SATLUG. The next round is on me! See you all soon. (oops..i mean yall) Ernest From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:20:59 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:21:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: > < SNIP > > Opinions? > > -- Bruce Bruce, I don't think it's a good idea to choose a candidate based on the technical merits of their web site. I would prefer that the candidate stick to just ftp, telnet, and nntp, and not do any web stuff. Maybe kermit will make a come back. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:34:04 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:34:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CEE2DC.7060707@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: >> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0500 >> From: Bruce Dubbs >> Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> >> Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: >> > > < SNIP > > >> Opinions? >> >> -- Bruce > > Bruce, I don't think it's a good idea to choose > a candidate based on the technical merits of > their web site. I would prefer that the candidate > stick to just ftp, telnet, and nntp, and not do > any web stuff. Maybe kermit will make a come > back. > Howard LOL. No, I don't expect the candidates to be computer geeks. I do expect them to have some idea of what the implications of their technical policies. That's why I linked to to their pages about that. -- Bruce From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:36:04 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:36:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Regexp help Message-ID: Working on mod rewrite regexp and I'm at a road block. My url's look like this: www.website.com/2/index.php?artist=billy%20bob With rewrite they now look like this: www.website.com/2/artist/billy_bob But last minute I decided I want them to look like this: www.website.com/2/artist/billy-bob I can't change my mod rewrite rule to exclude the "_" because the URLs have already been embedded in my enhanced podcast. My actual regexp: Options +FollowSymLinks RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^2/artist/([A-Za-z0-9._]*[A-Za-z0-9-._]*)$ /2/index.php?artist=$1 [NC] I'm not sure where to stick the "-" to make it work. I've tried before the "." and after the "_" without success. Thanks for your help. ::twistedPickles:: : From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:38:46 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:38:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <48CEE2DC.7060707@gmail.com> References: <48CEE2DC.7060707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right. I would say that you could draw a minor line (at least) between the competence of their technical staff and the technical staff they would choose and ultimately rely upon for day to day advice (or legislation) as a president. No one expects the candidates themselves to be geeks (although that would be cool,) but they should at least be informed enough to choose competent staff in various areas that they will be responsible for in some way. E On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0500 >>> From: Bruce Dubbs >>> Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites >>> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >>> >>> Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: >>> >>> >> < SNIP > >> >> Opinions? >>> >>> -- Bruce >>> >> >> Bruce, I don't think it's a good idea to choose >> a candidate based on the technical merits of >> their web site. I would prefer that the candidate >> stick to just ftp, telnet, and nntp, and not do >> any web stuff. Maybe kermit will make a come >> back. >> Howard >> > > LOL. No, I don't expect the candidates to be computer geeks. I do expect > them to have some idea of what the implications of their technical policies. > That's why I linked to to their pages about that. > > -- Bruce > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:50:13 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:50:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Returning to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ;-) I'll be there for the first round. ::twistedPickles:: : On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > To all on the list who know me (and those who may not but care?) I will be > returning to San Antonio the first part of October. I have taken a > position > as a Chief Enterprise Architect/Dir. of Eng. for a local company and will > be > leaving California soon. I was out here a little more than a year, but as > you may well know, a Texan can't live without Texas for long. I look > forward > to returning to the meetings and being a more active member of SATLUG. The > next round is on me! > > See you all soon. (oops..i mean yall) > > Ernest > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Sep 15 17:55:20 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Mon Sep 15 17:55:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Computer Show - Audio In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0809151119g418d28fdxaa03209070e08f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CEE7D8.40305@cis.sac.accd.edu> Charles Gruber wrote: > Is there some sort of cart available for me to roll in my desktop box, and > small amplifier and speakers from my car to the building? Other than that, > all I will need is an LCD projector. > Yes, we have one you can use. You will need to remind me as we get closer to the meeting. Steve > - Charles Gruber > From jm at allensonthe.net Mon Sep 15 22:01:08 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:01:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 15:22, Ernest De Leon wrote: > That was actually something I thought about...perhaps they are behind some > F5's that were configured to respond as IIS? That would be pretty odd, but > then again, it would be pretty funny. > > Ernest > Not too long ago, I worked for a company that used F5's. It's true you *could* configure them to change the server banner (with what F5 calls an "iRule" which is really just a python script), but it'd be *much* simpler to change the banner in the webserver itself (which can always be fun...) The typical OS fingerprinting process doesn't (necessarily) concern itself with the server banner. I usually look at TCP or ICMP characteristics instead. For instance, the Time to Live (TTL) field is a good place to quickly look for a rough guess at the remote OS. [1] has a good overview of the default values per OS. And a slightly more in-depth look of some other fields of interest when fingerprinting is available at [2]. (Disclaimer: I wrote that paper :-) ) [1] http://secfr.nerim.net/docs/fingerprint/en/ttl_default.html [2] http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/protocols/1891.php -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 15 22:15:18 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:15:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> wouldnt it be simpler to look at thier FEC quartly reports to see who they are paying then do a little research on the tech companies they pay out too? here is obama's quartly debt report http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html here is mccain's http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q1/C00430470/B_PAYEE_C00430470.html Todd On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:01 -0500, Jon Mark Allen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 15:22, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > That was actually something I thought about...perhaps they are behind some > > F5's that were configured to respond as IIS? That would be pretty odd, but > > then again, it would be pretty funny. > > > > Ernest > > > > Not too long ago, I worked for a company that used F5's. It's true you > *could* configure them to change the server banner (with what F5 calls > an "iRule" which is really just a python script), but it'd be *much* > simpler to change the banner in the webserver itself (which can always > be fun...) > > The typical OS fingerprinting process doesn't (necessarily) concern > itself with the server banner. I usually look at TCP or ICMP > characteristics instead. > > For instance, the Time to Live (TTL) field is a good place to quickly > look for a rough guess at the remote OS. [1] has a good overview of > the default values per OS. And a slightly more in-depth look of some > other fields of interest when fingerprinting is available at [2]. > (Disclaimer: I wrote that paper :-) ) > > [1] http://secfr.nerim.net/docs/fingerprint/en/ttl_default.html > [2] http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/protocols/1891.php > > -- > JM > > /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been > much of a day. > -- John A. Wheeler */ From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 15 22:23:15 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:23:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1221535395.6541.10.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> one examply on Obama's payee list he cites AVF consulting googled it here is there website. http://www.avfconsulting.com/ they do something called microsoft dynamics nav. he paid out $3,079.30 to them. hmmm very interesting. Todd On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:15 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > wouldnt it be simpler to look at thier FEC quartly reports to see who > they are paying then do a little research on the tech companies they pay > out too? > > here is obama's quartly debt report > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html > > here is mccain's > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q1/C00430470/B_PAYEE_C00430470.html > > Todd > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:01 -0500, Jon Mark Allen wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 15:22, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > That was actually something I thought about...perhaps they are behind some > > > F5's that were configured to respond as IIS? That would be pretty odd, but > > > then again, it would be pretty funny. > > > > > > Ernest > > > > > > > Not too long ago, I worked for a company that used F5's. It's true you > > *could* configure them to change the server banner (with what F5 calls > > an "iRule" which is really just a python script), but it'd be *much* > > simpler to change the banner in the webserver itself (which can always > > be fun...) > > > > The typical OS fingerprinting process doesn't (necessarily) concern > > itself with the server banner. I usually look at TCP or ICMP > > characteristics instead. > > > > For instance, the Time to Live (TTL) field is a good place to quickly > > look for a rough guess at the remote OS. [1] has a good overview of > > the default values per OS. And a slightly more in-depth look of some > > other fields of interest when fingerprinting is available at [2]. > > (Disclaimer: I wrote that paper :-) ) > > > > [1] http://secfr.nerim.net/docs/fingerprint/en/ttl_default.html > > [2] http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/protocols/1891.php > > > > -- > > JM > > > > /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been > > much of a day. > > -- John A. Wheeler */ > From Channing.ML at ChanningC.com Mon Sep 15 22:23:03 2008 From: Channing.ML at ChanningC.com (Channing) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:23:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Regexp help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CF2697.5060305@ChanningC.com> twistedpickles wrote: > Working on mod rewrite regexp and I'm at a road block. > > My url's look like this: www.website.com/2/index.php?artist=billy%20bob > > With rewrite they now look like this: www.website.com/2/artist/billy_bob > > But last minute I decided I want them to look like this: > www.website.com/2/artist/billy-bob > > I can't change my mod rewrite rule to exclude the "_" because the URLs have > already been embedded in my enhanced podcast. > > My actual regexp: > > Options +FollowSymLinks > RewriteEngine on > RewriteRule ^2/artist/([A-Za-z0-9._]*[A-Za-z0-9-._]*)$ > /2/index.php?artist=$1 [NC] > > I'm not sure where to stick the "-" to make it work. I've tried before the > "." and after the "_" without success. > > Thanks for your help. > > ::twistedPickles:: : > Dashes are special as they also denote a range of characters/numbers. Try adding the dash as the first character within your character grouping (first character after the opening brace). Channing From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:30:12 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:30:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Regexp help In-Reply-To: <48CF2697.5060305@ChanningC.com> References: <48CF2697.5060305@ChanningC.com> Message-ID: Thanks I figured that. I thought that maybe escaping some how would work. Gonna try. ::twistedPickles:: : On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Channing wrote: > > > twistedpickles wrote: > >> Working on mod rewrite regexp and I'm at a road block. >> >> My url's look like this: www.website.com/2/index.php?artist=billy%20bob >> >> With rewrite they now look like this: www.website.com/2/artist/billy_bob >> >> But last minute I decided I want them to look like this: >> www.website.com/2/artist/billy-bob >> >> I can't change my mod rewrite rule to exclude the "_" because the URLs >> have >> already been embedded in my enhanced podcast. >> >> My actual regexp: >> >> Options +FollowSymLinks >> RewriteEngine on >> RewriteRule ^2/artist/([A-Za-z0-9._]*[A-Za-z0-9-._]*)$ >> /2/index.php?artist=$1 [NC] >> >> I'm not sure where to stick the "-" to make it work. I've tried before the >> "." and after the "_" without success. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> ::twistedPickles:: : >> >> > Dashes are special as they also denote a range of characters/numbers. Try > adding the dash as the first character within your character grouping (first > character after the opening brace). > > Channing > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Sep 15 22:30:42 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:30:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <1221535395.6541.10.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1221535395.6541.10.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1221535842.6541.14.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> one very interesting one on obama's is blue state digital they are basically dem polysci consultatns who are tech savy. they did his email campaign. website http://www.bluestatedigital.com/ todd On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:23 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > one examply on Obama's payee list he cites AVF consulting googled it > here is there website. http://www.avfconsulting.com/ > they do something called microsoft dynamics nav. he paid out $3,079.30 > to them. hmmm very interesting. > > Todd > > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:15 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > wouldnt it be simpler to look at thier FEC quartly reports to see who > > they are paying then do a little research on the tech companies they pay > > out too? > > > > here is obama's quartly debt report > > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html > > > > here is mccain's > > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q1/C00430470/B_PAYEE_C00430470.html > > > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:01 -0500, Jon Mark Allen wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 15:22, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > > That was actually something I thought about...perhaps they are behind some > > > > F5's that were configured to respond as IIS? That would be pretty odd, but > > > > then again, it would be pretty funny. > > > > > > > > Ernest > > > > > > > > > > Not too long ago, I worked for a company that used F5's. It's true you > > > *could* configure them to change the server banner (with what F5 calls > > > an "iRule" which is really just a python script), but it'd be *much* > > > simpler to change the banner in the webserver itself (which can always > > > be fun...) > > > > > > The typical OS fingerprinting process doesn't (necessarily) concern > > > itself with the server banner. I usually look at TCP or ICMP > > > characteristics instead. > > > > > > For instance, the Time to Live (TTL) field is a good place to quickly > > > look for a rough guess at the remote OS. [1] has a good overview of > > > the default values per OS. And a slightly more in-depth look of some > > > other fields of interest when fingerprinting is available at [2]. > > > (Disclaimer: I wrote that paper :-) ) > > > > > > [1] http://secfr.nerim.net/docs/fingerprint/en/ttl_default.html > > > [2] http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/protocols/1891.php > > > > > > -- > > > JM > > > > > > /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been > > > much of a day. > > > -- John A. Wheeler */ > > > From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 15 22:40:12 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Sep 15 22:40:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Response for Linux-Friendly Printers & Scanners Message-ID: <48CF2A9C.5000106@satx.rr.com> This is now the fourth time I try to send this. All of my previous attempts to respond to the original thread over the past couple of days have gone into the big bit bucket in the sky, with no indication as to what happened ... To respond to Ian's comments (the first response I got), I'm using the GUI hardware configuration in YAST2 (OpenSUSE 10.3), and I'm not getting any error messages at all. When I try to have the printer print a test page (for graphics, text, or both), all I get is the print head moving around & making some clicking sounds, but no actual printing (not even a page feed). Furthermore, when I set-up the scanner, the driver was already flagged as having some problems, namely that the white areas on a sheet of normal bond paper will come up all purple (I got the same result when I tried it). Also, the scanner wouldn't actually scan the entire page -- only about 1/4 of the page (the upper left corner) would be scanned. Since this is an all-in-one, a failure to get any one part of the unit working correctly is basically a deal-breaker. But it's not such a big deal to me to replace this unit -- it's several years old, my mother-in-law needs a newer printer (hers is about 13-14 years old), and the new ones are not really expensive. Since the consensus is to pointing to an HP, I've looked at what they have to offer. I found the J6480 on sale right now, and it's gotten an Editor's Choice from PC Magazine, and a similar best buy recommendation from CNet. It looks like I'll be buying a new printer in the next day or so. Thanks to everyone for your recommendations. Al Lesmerises From jm at allensonthe.net Mon Sep 15 22:06:48 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Mon Sep 15 23:06:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Regexp help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221534408.8727.13.camel@localhost> > Working on mod rewrite regexp and I'm at a road block. > > My url's look like this: www.website.com/2/index.php?artist=billy%20bob > > With rewrite they now look like this: www.website.com/2/artist/billy_bob > > But last minute I decided I want them to look like this: > www.website.com/2/artist/billy-bob > > I can't change my mod rewrite rule to exclude the "_" because the URLs have > already been embedded in my enhanced podcast. > > My actual regexp: > > Options +FollowSymLinks > RewriteEngine on > RewriteRule ^2/artist/([A-Za-z0-9._]*[A-Za-z0-9-._]*)$ > /2/index.php?artist=$1 [NC] > > I'm not sure where to stick the "-" to make it work. I've tried before the > "." and after the "_" without success. > > Thanks for your help. > > ::twistedPickles:: : If I remember correctly, since you're inside the square brackets, the '-' will need to be escaped. Otherwise, it serves as a 'range' operator, which is why A-Za-z works to include all the letters. Putting a backslash ( \ ) in front of the hyphen should make it work. JM From jm at allensonthe.net Mon Sep 15 22:25:56 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Mon Sep 15 23:06:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> <1221534918.6541.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1221535556.8727.18.camel@localhost> > wouldnt it be simpler to look at thier FEC quartly reports to see who > they are paying then do a little research on the tech companies they pay > out too? > > here is obama's quartly debt report > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00431445/D_DEBTS_C00431445.html > > here is mccain's > http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q1/C00430470/B_PAYEE_C00430470.html > > Todd > Yes, but I was referring to OS fingerprinting in general, rather than this one specific case. It doesn't really matter what they're using for their website in terms of my vote, so the matter isn't really of interest to me unless we're talking about fingerprinting in general. And in that case, not all website owners' finances are a matter of public record. :-) JM From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 00:09:09 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Sep 16 00:09:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Regexp help In-Reply-To: <1221534408.8727.13.camel@localhost> References: <1221534408.8727.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Got it, thanks for the help! [A-Za-z0-9._\-]*[A-Za-z0-9-._\-] I was having trouble with ?artist=billy%20bob when using mod rewrite. It was only returning "billy". So I used RegExp to accept "_". Then php would change "_" to " ". The real problem was always in php. I was only looking for the "_". I got it to work after modifying the php code to look for "_" or "-". ::twistedPickles:: : From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 07:04:09 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Sep 16 07:04:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Powered Mini-Notebooks Message-ID: Hi, Looks like this group is gaining in popularity. Here is a ComputerWorld review and test of 4 models. The author has the Acer Aspire One as his clear winner. http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3627960/8699931/139133/2/ Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From j at jvpappas.net Tue Sep 16 09:38:20 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Sep 16 09:38:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg (deteriorating) In-Reply-To: <48CDA6E4.5020907@comcast.net> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> <48CDA6E4.5020907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809160738n340c6e1dvd60720507250fb4d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 19:05, Ian L. Target wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Sorry about that... gmail makes it a little to easy to top post when > writing > > a quick message. :) > > If anyone knows a way to change the way gmail handles quoting I would > love > > to know. I've looked all over the settings but haven't found it. > Not that I have found. Zimbra has such a setting (My wife uses it for Email Aggregation), but AFAIK gmail does not have a Top-v-Bottom post setting. > I /hate/ web interfaces. Agreed, although GMail and Zimbra (the best) are the best I've seen. > One of the only redeeming qualities of Gmail is that it allows POP3/SMTP > access, I would argue that it's search, capacity, and cost are reasonably compelling qualities as well. Imap is ok, but due to the oddities of how gmail stores data (labels) you may end up downloading more than one message (IMAP) or end up organizing messages on your own (POP). Neither is appealing. > Do you ever use other email programs such as Kmail, TB, Evolution, etc? > The problem I have with a fat-client reader is portability. With Zimbra/GMail, I never even pine (hehe) for an Outlook/Evo/TB/Opera/etc. The portability problem makes me just "get used" to the web interface oddities, but I know I can almost always (proxies non-withstanding) count on consistent behavior. I do however, use Zimbra Desktop (Win/Mac/Lin) for both GMail and Zimbra access. I am also stuck with Exchange/Outlook/OWA at my client's so that is annoying. Just my .02, jp From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 10:11:24 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:11:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg (deteriorating) In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809160738n340c6e1dvd60720507250fb4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> <48CDA6E4.5020907@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809160738n340c6e1dvd60720507250fb4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0809160811m73565652p7f65afbce4c64aed@mail.gmail.com> >> Brian wrote: >> > Sorry about that... gmail makes it a little to easy to top post when >> writing >> > a quick message. :) >> > If anyone knows a way to change the way gmail handles quoting I would >> love >> > to know. I've looked all over the settings but haven't found it. >> If you are using Firefox, there is an addon called Better Gmail 2 that lets you automatically bottom post IF you are using text-only in replies. As far as I know, there isn't anyway to do it internally to gmail, but that doesn't mean there isn't a way to do it. Jim From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 10:19:02 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:19:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Powered Mini-Notebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been a fan of this segment for a while now. I have an original EEEPC 2G SURF model that I use frequently. I can't begin to say how great it is to throw the thing (in a sleeve) into my backpack when flying back and forth between San Francisco and San Antonio. It's good to hear that the AA1 took top honors, but they didn't review the new Dell Mini 9. I am a little pissed off at Dell right now, but I think Dell may have a better overall offering than Acer. I will have to look into that as I plan to replace the EEE soon. Ernest On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, Looks like this group is gaining in > popularity. Here is a ComputerWorld > review and test of 4 models. The author > has the Acer Aspire One as his clear > winner. > > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3627960/8699931/139133/2/ > > Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 10:51:08 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:51:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Powered Mini-Notebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0809160851k6086d325n31fa08bc7f7f064f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > I've been a fan of this segment for a while now. I have an original EEEPC 2G > SURF model that I use frequently. I can't begin to say how great it is to > throw the thing (in a sleeve) into my backpack when flying back and forth > between San Francisco and San Antonio. It's good to hear that the AA1 took > top honors, but they didn't review the new Dell Mini 9. I am a little pissed > off at Dell right now, but I think Dell may have a better overall offering > than Acer. I will have to look into that as I plan to replace the EEE soon. The only thing that I hate about the mini laptops are the keys are so dang small I can't fully type, rather two finger it and angle my index fingers. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 11:24:19 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Sep 16 11:24:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Powered Mini-Notebooks In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809160851k6086d325n31fa08bc7f7f064f@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0809160851k6086d325n31fa08bc7f7f064f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> I've been a fan of this segment for a while now. I have an original EEEPC 2G >> SURF model that I use frequently. I can't begin to say how great it is to >> throw the thing (in a sleeve) into my backpack when flying back and forth >> between San Francisco and San Antonio. It's good to hear that the AA1 took >> top honors, but they didn't review the new Dell Mini 9. I am a little pissed >> off at Dell right now, but I think Dell may have a better overall offering >> than Acer. I will have to look into that as I plan to replace the EEE soon. > > The only thing that I hate about the mini laptops are the keys are so > dang small I can't fully type, rather two finger it and angle my index > fingers. > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- Interesting info for the "keyboard challenged" like me. [How to buy a minilaptop] http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9113858 "4. Try out the keypad and make sure it's right for you. None of the devices I tested had a better typing pad on a cheaper netbook than Intel's ClassMate PC[1], which has a keypad far smaller than the Eee PC 1000. Keys on the ClassMate PC's keyboard are raised and there is a lot of space between them, making them easy to find by touch. By contrast, the Eee PCs, Wind and Elitegroup Computer Systems' G10IL[2] designed their keypads with flat keys and little or no space between the keys because, I was told by Elitegroup staff, it makes them look nice. The trouble is, it also makes typing more difficult. I really liked the keypads on Acer's Aspire One[3] and Everex's CloudBook Max[4], but the best keypad was on Hewlett-Packard's Mini-Note[5]." [1]http://www.intel.com/intel/worldahead/classmatepc/ [2]http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/NewsRoom/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=1133&MenuID=13&LanID=0 [3]http://www.acer.com/aspireone/ [4]http://www.everex.com/products/cloudbook_max/cloudbook_max.htm [5]http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/321957-321957-64295-321838-306995-3687084-3687085-3807621.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 13:16:52 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:16:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Lindependence 2008 Message-ID: I just wanted to pass on an article about a 'movement' in Santa Cruz to move the whole town to Linux. Dubbed Lindependence 2008, it is a very cool project that I would love to try in San Antonio on some scale. I'm sure we could work something out with Ubuntu (not necessarily saying that has to be the distro) to get a mass of media and promotional materials. Who else would be interested in making something like this come to fruition? It would probably be a long term project with several months of heavy promotion, but I think in the end it would be worth it. http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_10470746?nclick_check=1 Ernest From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 13:20:29 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:20:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Lindependence 2008 Message-ID: Sorry that last link was bogus....try this one... http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_10470746 From mckinneyb at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 13:39:09 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:39:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg (deteriorating) In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0809160811m73565652p7f65afbce4c64aed@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> <48CDA6E4.5020907@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809160738n340c6e1dvd60720507250fb4d@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0809160811m73565652p7f65afbce4c64aed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jim Wells wrote: >>> Brian wrote: >>> > Sorry about that... gmail makes it a little to easy to top post when >>> writing >>> > a quick message. :) >>> > If anyone knows a way to change the way gmail handles quoting I would >>> love >>> > to know. I've looked all over the settings but haven't found it. >>> > > If you are using Firefox, there is an addon called Better Gmail 2 > that lets you automatically bottom post IF you are using text-only in > replies. As far as I know, there isn't anyway to do it internally to > gmail, but that doesn't mean there isn't a way to do it. > Jim > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Thanks Jim. The extension works great. >On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, John Pappas wrote: >I would argue that it's search, capacity, and cost are reasonably compelling >qualities as well. Imap is ok, but due to the oddities of how gmail stores >data (labels) you may end up downloading more than one message (IMAP) or end >up organizing messages on your own (POP). Neither is appealing. I think search is the biggest reason I keep using the web interface over a desktop client. I've been using gmail for about 3 years now, and being able to search quickly over 3 years worth of email has been tremendously helpful to me time and again. I just make sure not to send anything terribly private without encryption :) Something I recently found out about which I thought was pretty cool, was that gmail search has it's own set of search keywords, similar to the "Google Hacking" keywords made famous by Johnny Long. Using these makes searching e-mail even easier. http://www.pandia.com/sew/461-gmail-search.htm -- -Brian From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Sep 16 14:12:04 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue Sep 16 14:12:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] gpg (deteriorating) In-Reply-To: References: <48CD56BC.4010101@comcast.net> <81pqc4h89knm63us6vvbe2sovisppf6c2b@4ax.com> <48CD9DB8.1050602@comcast.net> <48CDA20C.6050605@comcast.net> <48CDA6E4.5020907@comcast.net> <4c0ec4450809160738n340c6e1dvd60720507250fb4d@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0809160811m73565652p7f65afbce4c64aed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D00504.3010806@shub-internet.org> Brian McKinney wrote: > I think search is the biggest reason I keep using the web interface over > a desktop client. I've been using gmail for about 3 years now, and being > able to search quickly over 3 years worth of email has been tremendously > helpful to me time and again. Some desktop clients are actually quite good about searching, and even build their entire message store on top of database technology, so they get to take full advantage of indexing on files, etc.... > I just make sure not to send anything > terribly private without encryption :) And desktop clients can make the encryption thing a lot easier, too. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From afcasta at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 16 16:50:21 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:50:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:20 +0000, Howard Haradon wrote: > > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0500 > > From: Bruce Dubbs > > Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > > Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: > > > > < SNIP > > > > Opinions? > > > > -- Bruce > > Bruce, I don't think it's a good idea to choose > a candidate based on the technical merits of > their web site. I would prefer that the candidate > stick to just ftp, telnet, and nntp, and not do > any web stuff. Maybe kermit will make a come > back. > Howard Here! Here! And while we're at it, let's get rid of this bletcherous gui stuff and go back to doing all our searches via gopher. Al Castanoli From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 16:51:54 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:51:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: Ah gopher...I miss those days dearly. Ernest On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Al Castanoli wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:20 +0000, Howard Haradon wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:08 -0500 > > > From: Bruce Dubbs > > > Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites > > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > > > > Message-ID: <48CEA9B0.6010907@gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > I was just doing some checking on the presidential candidates: > > > > > > > < SNIP > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > -- Bruce > > > > Bruce, I don't think it's a good idea to choose > > a candidate based on the technical merits of > > their web site. I would prefer that the candidate > > stick to just ftp, telnet, and nntp, and not do > > any web stuff. Maybe kermit will make a come > > back. > > Howard > Here! Here! And while we're at it, let's get rid of this bletcherous > gui stuff and go back to doing all our searches via gopher. > > Al Castanoli > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 21:14:03 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Sep 16 21:14:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: I think I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Cartoons when you guys were messing with gophers. :D ::twistedPickles:: : From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Sep 16 21:39:08 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Sep 16 21:39:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Returning to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D06DCC.2080108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ernest De Leon wrote: > To all on the list who know me (and those who may not but care?) I will be > returning to San Antonio the first part of October. I have taken a position > as a Chief Enterprise Architect/Dir. of Eng. for a local company and will be > leaving California soon. I was out here a little more than a year, but as > you may well know, a Texan can't live without Texas for long. I look forward > to returning to the meetings and being a more active member of SATLUG. The > next round is on me! > > See you all soon. (oops..i mean yall) > Welcome home, Ernest. I was in SoCal from early 1979 to late 1983. Worked for General Dynamics out there. After the 5th lay-off in 4 years, I said 'phooey' on this place (replace that 'phooey' with what you think I -really- said) and came home. I'll never live anywhere else but Texas, again. I've been everywhere else in the country. but, when it comes down to deciding where I'm gonna live, it will always be Texas. Might not be San Antonio, but it will always be Texas. Soon as you get back, get you down to Mi Tierra and re-stock up on your 'Original Mexican Food' quotient :-) -- -Geoff From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 21:52:58 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 21:53:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Returning to San Antonio In-Reply-To: <48D06DCC.2080108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <48D06DCC.2080108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: Thanks Geoff. I usually stick to the hole-in-the-wall restaurants. My rule is that the worse it looks on the inside, the better the food is inside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Geoff wrote: > Ernest De Leon wrote: > > To all on the list who know me (and those who may not but care?) I will > be > > returning to San Antonio the first part of October. I have taken a > position > > as a Chief Enterprise Architect/Dir. of Eng. for a local company and will > be > > leaving California soon. I was out here a little more than a year, but > as > > you may well know, a Texan can't live without Texas for long. I look > forward > > to returning to the meetings and being a more active member of SATLUG. > The > > next round is on me! > > > > See you all soon. (oops..i mean yall) > > > > Welcome home, Ernest. > > I was in SoCal from early 1979 to late 1983. Worked for General > Dynamics out there. > After the 5th lay-off in 4 years, I said 'phooey' on this place (replace > that 'phooey' with what you think I -really- said) and came home. > > I'll never live anywhere else but Texas, again. I've been everywhere > else in the country. but, when it comes down to deciding where I'm > gonna live, it will always be Texas. Might not be San Antonio, but it > will always be Texas. > > Soon as you get back, get you down to Mi Tierra and re-stock up on your > 'Original Mexican Food' quotient :-) > > -- > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 22:01:07 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue Sep 16 22:01:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: Ah but so was I. I got into tech at a very young age...probably too young by most people's accounts. My uncle, a sysadmin for several decades now, bought me my first 'computer' at 5 years old. It was a TI-99/4A which allowed you to play cartridges with games on them, or one cartridge with a basic interpreter. As there was no hard drive (nor recordable media that I can remember at the time), you would lose your 'program' every time you powered off the unit. Naturally, it had no monitor and connected to a regular tube tv via a uhf/vhf modulator. E On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, twistedpickles wrote: > I think I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Cartoons when you guys > were messing with gophers. :D > > ::twistedPickles:: : > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 16 23:48:32 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Tue Sep 16 23:48:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <1221626912.15999.5.camel@phrodo> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 20:01 -0700, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Ah but so was I. I got into tech at a very young age...probably too young by > most people's accounts. My uncle, a sysadmin for several decades now, bought > me my first 'computer' at 5 years old. It was a TI-99/4A which allowed you > to play cartridges with games on them, or one cartridge with a basic > interpreter. As there was no hard drive (nor recordable media that I can > remember at the time), you would lose your 'program' every time you powered > off the unit. Naturally, it had no monitor and connected to a regular tube > tv via a uhf/vhf modulator. The TI-99/4A was a wonderful machine for its day - I taught an Air Force Electronic Maintenance Tech how to program Basic on one up in San Angelo around 1982, and yes, you could get a floppy drive for it. We replaced it with an Amiga a year or two later. Al Castanoli From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Sep 17 09:33:08 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Sep 17 09:33:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Returning to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: <48D06DCC.2080108@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <48D11524.2090500@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ernest De Leon wrote: > Thanks Geoff. I usually stick to the hole-in-the-wall restaurants. My rule > is that the worse it looks on the inside, the better the food is inside. On that note, the best 'hole-in-the-wall Mexican food restraunt is located either on West Commerce in the 24th street area (don't remember exactly) or down off of General Hudnell, near what was Kelly AFB. I met another Satlugger (who has recently been rather silent) there one time to do an equipment exchange/purchase. Damn good food! Personally, I like Tomatillo's on Broadway. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Sep 17 09:34:38 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Sep 17 09:34:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <48D1157E.9000309@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Ernest De Leon wrote: > Ah but so was I. I got into tech at a very young age...probably too young by > most people's accounts. My uncle, a sysadmin for several decades now, bought > me my first 'computer' at 5 years old. It was a TI-99/4A which allowed you > to play cartridges with games on them, or one cartridge with a basic > interpreter. As there was no hard drive (nor recordable media that I can > remember at the time), you would lose your 'program' every time you powered > off the unit. Naturally, it had no monitor and connected to a regular tube > tv via a uhf/vhf modulator. I guess we were 'uptown' back in those days. I had the tape recorder, in which to save programs. Predecessor to the Bournelli box and 8" 'floppies'. ;) From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Sep 17 12:30:15 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Sep 17 12:30:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Presidential Candidate Websites In-Reply-To: References: <1221601821.14647.7.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <48D13EA7.1010201@shub-internet.org> Ernest De Leon wrote: > Ah but so was I. I got into tech at a very young age...probably too young by > most people's accounts. My uncle, a sysadmin for several decades now, bought > me my first 'computer' at 5 years old. It was a TI-99/4A which allowed you > to play cartridges with games on them, or one cartridge with a basic > interpreter. I remember the TI-99/4A. A friend of mine had one, and I was seriously jealous. All I had was a Commodore Vic-20, although I did have the external tape drive and two memory expansion cartridges (one 8KB and one 16KB, the latter of which caused the machine to move everything around in memory, so you couldn't write position-dependent code). I don't remember what he did with his TI, but I do recall he was able to do a lot more with it than I could with my Vic-20. Although, I do recall writing my own Adventure-style game as one of my first programs on the computer -- which is how I got the 16KB expansion cartridge, because the program was so huge that it couldn't fit into RAM with just the 8KB cartridge. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 17 22:15:00 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:14:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive Message-ID: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> I have an external NTFS hard-drive mounted to my system (to transfer some files from a Windows system), and now that I want to unmount it, I get an error message saying the device is busy. When I look at the running processes (ps -ef), I find nothing that refers to that device (sdc1) or the mount point (/mnt/usb_drive). How can stop whatever process is making the device busy or find out what process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just disconnect it and risk corrupting something ... Al Lesmerises From mckinneyb at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 22:24:33 2008 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:24:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive In-Reply-To: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> References: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have an external NTFS hard-drive mounted to my system (to transfer some > files from a Windows system), and now that I want to unmount it, I get an > error message saying the device is busy. When I look at the running > processes (ps -ef), I find nothing that refers to that device (sdc1) or the > mount point (/mnt/usb_drive). > > How can stop whatever process is making the device busy or find out what > process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just disconnect it > and risk corrupting something ... > fuser will show you the PIDs of processes using a filesystem fuser -m [NAME] > Al Lesmerises > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- -Brian From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Sep 17 22:29:34 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:29:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive In-Reply-To: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> References: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48D1CB1E.5010709@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Alan Lesmerises wrote: | I have an external NTFS hard-drive mounted to my system (to transfer | some files from a Windows system), and now that I want to unmount it, I | get an error message saying the device is busy. When I look at the | running processes (ps -ef), I find nothing that refers to that device | (sdc1) or the mount point (/mnt/usb_drive). | | How can stop whatever process is making the device busy or find out what | process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just | disconnect it and risk corrupting something ... | | Al Lesmerises There is lsof which will show you an output of the open files. so `lsof | grep /mnt/usb_drive` should show you the list of files that are open on that device. Then you can do whatever to get them to be closed ;) - -- David Kowis www.ronpaul2008.com - Ron Paul for President! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJI0cseAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObwBgL/jte8rzFp00mc/ZfWcZSxUAw Eikf54+hTCSTvW/QZZr+r9gkcnPuN6MKzsFYflV+P96hFCLKNUQuKxxf/HCZrpYU nwQbm8nYTqSUaPcEG9BAg2fSe8QsbwfpYxzwF06Wy05XufAfYHZ3OBPBJTfpmJpl WiE/399FVIYEVJpoyEhjbWqyK1lds4M4502RtN1uJ2HPyZ9+DbiMWpkCUhSs/UPp FP10CoNzUoaeZeAxP20pxHIoi5rn9qXEUGbYvk9bTDqx6Z0vDu2kIYoO/cG5APiv eQkpfSi8/5UxJmkrx1+GBG81R6esRMUKEEZFZE06noIRdFo62qNBrsK4ejC39sT0 pKiE14TAeOqei41q72xMvhVUSykZxxOPTwJ/VvDVZ2juhYsOISgZJHwdUS0ASqGQ sUXFDf5g3l6JVbmFvCrtjuvT+bsJ0kQfs329Vq8cVOzwOt5lnPNvzMrTqKTTao6l OUhFUkk2ONnLHcI9JNJ091fsOSbqojvz7VO9bSFCmg== =XpUk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at hamsterswheel.com Wed Sep 17 22:29:52 2008 From: lists at hamsterswheel.com (Eric Hulse) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:29:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive In-Reply-To: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> References: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1221708592.6158.13.camel@fenghuang> Are you trying to unmount it from within the directory. Alternatively, do you have a terminal open that is in the directory of that file system? I've encountered this issue when trying to unmount the drive from within the directory. On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 22:15 -0500, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > tever process is making the device busy or find out what > process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just > disconnect it and risk corrup From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 17 23:12:28 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Sep 17 23:12:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive In-Reply-To: <48D1CB1E.5010709@shlrm.org> References: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> <48D1CB1E.5010709@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <48D1D52C.70208@satx.rr.com> That did the trick. Thanks! Al Lesmerises David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Alan Lesmerises wrote: > | I have an external NTFS hard-drive mounted to my system (to transfer > | some files from a Windows system), and now that I want to unmount it, I > | get an error message saying the device is busy. When I look at the > | running processes (ps -ef), I find nothing that refers to that device > | (sdc1) or the mount point (/mnt/usb_drive). > | > | How can stop whatever process is making the device busy or find out > what > | process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just > | disconnect it and risk corrupting something ... > | > | Al Lesmerises > > There is lsof which will show you an output of the open files. > so `lsof | grep /mnt/usb_drive` should show you the list of files that > are open on that device. Then you can do whatever to get them to be > closed ;) > > - -- > David Kowis From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Sep 18 09:51:12 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Sep 18 09:51:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Stopping an external hard drive In-Reply-To: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> References: <48D1C7B4.5020902@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48D26AE0.9060105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I have an external NTFS hard-drive mounted to my system (to transfer > some files from a Windows system), and now that I want to unmount it, > I get an error message saying the device is busy. When I look at the > running processes (ps -ef), I find nothing that refers to that device > (sdc1) or the mount point (/mnt/usb_drive). > > How can stop whatever process is making the device busy or find out > what process is accessing that device? I really don't want to just > disconnect it and risk corrupting something ... You gotta be out of the directory that the drive is mounted to. ie: you told your system 'mount /path/to/device /path/to/mountpoint' and you're sitting at /path/to/mountpoint/ you won't be able to umount the drive from it's mountpoint. Kinda crude, but hope that helps. -Geoff From twistedpickles at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:16:21 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Thu Sep 18 13:16:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] ot: where to purchase cisco antennas Message-ID: Anyone know where I can purchase 6 G rated antennas in San Antonio for Cisco Waps. -- ::twistedPickles:: : From satlug at vinny.us Thu Sep 18 14:15:21 2008 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Thu Sep 18 14:15:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] investigating a UTSA install fest In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0808080451o3bc7901u40e037e130a9bc64@mail.gmail.com> References: <24cb34e0807210847n6c4636b5y364a2000d030ecb2@mail.gmail.com> <200807222308.06539.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <24cb34e0807251221k13fd2875p5e0b8f5da32db7fb@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0808051629r6861be7dsbf423e548c7971d9@mail.gmail.com> <4898EBB1.1050108@clamp.ws> <24cb34e0808071641r389bedeaq99062adf72c9c185@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0808080451o3bc7901u40e037e130a9bc64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24cb34e0809181215x74c0f57bpc37eda55aff003b8@mail.gmail.com> Here is the UTSA Linux fest info: Where: UTSA 1604 Campus HSS 2.02.02 http://utsa.edu/maps/1604/ When: Saturday Sept. 20th 2008 at 10AM Parking: visitors can park in any of the unmarked spaces on Saturday. There will be plenty of parking on the South East side of campus by the Gym and Rec Center. To get to the HSS, head N-N/E toward the UC and go up the giant stairs, then enter the building on your left. We are in the Lab in the middle of the building by the elevators/stairs. First let me say that the fest has turned into more of a training and 101 for our helpdesk... and not the linux fest I initially wanted. Leave it to the state to take something fun and turn it into training. I shouldn't complain, at least we get to have some type of linux event. The lab they moved us to only has 30 seats available, that are already reserved for UTSA staff. =( We were not allowed to open this to faculty or students because of the limited seating. If this one goes well, we can get a bigger space, and invite many more people. I encourage SATLUG to come out, and meet the folks at UTSA, watch the presentations, and exchange info. We will be primarily installing CentOS 5 in the lab, but will have Ubuntu and a few others to show off as well as the latest version of Solaris 10. Agenda time person description 10:00am John start the InstallFest and give an introduction to Linux (Robots!) 10:30am All installing Linux (Ubuntu & CentOS) 12:00pm N/A Lunch 1:00pm N/A Lunch complete 1:15pm Kevin Basic commands (moving around the system) 1:45pm John Installing software (install software, adobe reader, flash player) 2:00pm Mark Basic shell scripting (pipes, crontab, simple automation) 2:30pm N/A Break! 3:00pm Vinny Linux Multimedia (samba, xmms, mplayer, amarok, realplayer) 4:00pm John Linux networking / firewalling (VPN, iptables, ufw) 4:30pm Lori How to burn CDs in Linux (k3d) 5:00pm Ted Printing (cups) 5:30pm All wrap up 7:00pm N/A sign autographs @ hills On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Keep us updated & I'm sure that there will be several SATLUG members > who will be there. I certainly plan on being there. > JIm > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > > Things are a bit crazy around here at the moment with school starting > soon. > > I will provide all the necessary information people will need to find us > at > > UTSA. =) > > > > I still have some gray areas to work on. > > > > We've already been bumped from the original lab to another... but no > > worries, a lab is a lab.. well at least here there pretty close. > > > > One thing to keep in mind is that we are a state funded school, and have > to > > be careful about what we do and how we do it.. Either way I'm fighting > to > > get this for everyone and bring SATLUG to UTSA.. I know there are > students, > > faculty, and staff here who would love an opportunity to get involved > with > > SATLUG and the Linux community. > > > > I will post details as they become available. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Storey Clamp wrote: > > > >> Vinny Huckaba wrote: > >> > >>> It's official, September 20th is the Linux fest here at UTSA. > >>> > >>> This is our first one and it will be mostly an intro to linux for our > >>> helpdesk and IT folks. > >>> > >>> More detail will be posted as they become available. > >>> > >>> As I said before, parking will be free in the unmarked spaces. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Vinny Huckaba > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Great info. =) > >>>> > >>>> The dates have been narrowed down to Sept 20, 27 and October 4. Any > >>>> suggestions??? > >>>> > >>>> Parking is available on Saturdays in the unmarked student spaces for > >>>> free. > >>>> There will be plenty of parking by the convo/rec center which is near > the > >>>> labs. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> For those not familiar with the UTSA campus, more information is > >> essential. Which entrance should one drive into? How does one > recognize > >> the "convo/rec center"? How is the building labeled, by name? By > number? > >> Is it recognizable from the nearest street? Which lab? How is it > marked? > >> How about a map? > >> > >> Cheers, Storey Clamp > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 14:45:55 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Sep 18 14:45:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] investigating a UTSA install fest In-Reply-To: <24cb34e0809181215x74c0f57bpc37eda55aff003b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <24cb34e0807210847n6c4636b5y364a2000d030ecb2@mail.gmail.com> <200807222308.06539.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <24cb34e0807251221k13fd2875p5e0b8f5da32db7fb@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0808051629r6861be7dsbf423e548c7971d9@mail.gmail.com> <4898EBB1.1050108@clamp.ws> <24cb34e0808071641r389bedeaq99062adf72c9c185@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0808080451o3bc7901u40e037e130a9bc64@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0809181215x74c0f57bpc37eda55aff003b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D2AFF3.2070708@gmail.com> Vinny Huckaba wrote: > Here is the UTSA Linux fest info: > > Where: UTSA 1604 Campus HSS 2.02.02 http://utsa.edu/maps/1604/ I can't find HSS on the map. > When: Saturday Sept. 20th 2008 at 10AM > Parking: visitors can park in any of the unmarked spaces on Saturday. There > will be plenty of parking on the South East side of campus by the Gym and > Rec Center. To get to the HSS, head N-N/E toward the UC and go up the giant > stairs, then enter the building on your left. We are in the Lab in the > middle of the building by the elevators/stairs. > > First let me say that the fest has turned into more of a training and 101 > for our helpdesk... and not the linux fest I initially wanted. Leave it to > the state to take something fun and turn it into training. I shouldn't > complain, at least we get to have some type of linux event. > > The lab they moved us to only has 30 seats available, that are already > reserved for UTSA staff. =( We were not allowed to open this to faculty or > students because of the limited seating. If this one goes well, we can get a > bigger space, and invite many more people. I encourage SATLUG to come out, > and meet the folks at UTSA, watch the presentations, and exchange info. We > will be primarily installing CentOS 5 in the lab, but will have Ubuntu and a > few others to show off as well as the latest version of Solaris 10. > > Agenda > time person description > 10:00am John start the InstallFest and give an introduction to Linux > (Robots!) > 10:30am All installing Linux (Ubuntu & CentOS) > 12:00pm N/A Lunch > 1:00pm N/A Lunch complete > 1:15pm Kevin Basic commands (moving around the system) > 1:45pm John Installing software (install software, adobe reader, flash > player) > 2:00pm Mark Basic shell scripting (pipes, crontab, simple automation) > 2:30pm N/A Break! > 3:00pm Vinny Linux Multimedia (samba, xmms, mplayer, amarok, realplayer) > 4:00pm John Linux networking / firewalling (VPN, iptables, ufw) > 4:30pm Lori How to burn CDs in Linux (k3d) > 5:00pm Ted Printing (cups) > 5:30pm All wrap up What is the role for SATLUG? I don't see anything for us to help. -- Bruce From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 18 17:55:48 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:55:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: 25th Anniversary Jazz'SAlive Festival Message-ID: This weekend, Sept. 20-21, FREE. OK, the beer isn't free but the music is. Downtown in Travis Park a few of the best have gotten together annually to celebrate the city's jazz heritage. You can see the official site at www.jazzsa.org or just show up Saturday and Sunday to enjoy some food, fun, and fabulous music. Bring lawn chairs but no coolers, a portion of the food & beverage sales helps support our public parks. Just take a look at this lineup: Jazz'SAlive Talent Schedule: Saturday, September 20 H-E-B Jefferson St. Stage 12:00 pm Watchale 1:30 pm La Bella 3:00 pm Bett Butler/Joel Dilley Group 4:30 pm SnapDragon BUD LIGHT MAIN STAGE 6:15 pm Henry Brun's Modern Latino Big Band 7:15 pm Urban 15's Carnival San Anto 7:45 pm *** Dave Brubeck *** 9:30 pm The Jazz on the Latin Side All-Stars Sunday, September 21 H-E-B Jefferson St. Stage 12:00 pm Loretta Blue 1:15 pm Hot Sauce 2:30 pm Aaron Prado 3:45 pm Sergio Lara Trio BUD LIGHT MAIN STAGE 5:00 pm Will Donato & Blake Aaron 6:30 pm The Wild Magnolias 8:00 pm Urban 15's Carnival San Anto 8:30 pm Hiroshima Wear something with Linux on it! --Don -- Enterprise software fault, warp core dumped. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 00:11:11 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Sep 19 00:11:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Generator powered laptops? Message-ID: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> Well, as many of you know, Houston got it's posterior handed to it by Ike. Unfortunately, I am (along with most of Houston and surrounding areas) without power. We are fortunate to have running water and natural gas. Recently we bought a generator and have been surviving quite well. The question I have for SATLUG and XCSSA is concerning the 110VAC output coming from the generator. I took a meter to the power output and found that the power fluctuates almost constantly between 116VAC and 118VAC after getting the engine calibrated correctly. (Before it was surging wildly from 105VAC to 130VAC. It's amazing what a quarter turn on the idler adjustment does. :P) The questions are: 1: Would you consider this clean enough to run a laptop or other computer fed by the brick-style switching power supplies? 2: If it's not clean enough, would adding an UPS clean it up without resulting in a blown UPS? The idea behind this is that DSL and cable are both out in my neighborhood and there are a few people in my neighborhood that are needing to apply for FEMA assistance. I am thinking of using my VIA Artigo with it's miniscule 12watt power supply to NAT the cellular modem connection I'm currently on (at the office) to retransmit via an accesspoint locally so that others nearby can contact FEMA, their work or loved ones and let everyone know they're OK. It's nothing fancy like satellite uplinks or anything the Red Cross has, but it's way better than nothing at all. On a side note, Sprint came up on Monday night, while AT&T and Tmobile are still down for the count in my subdivision. Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Thank you. FIRESTORM_v1 From donguitar at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 00:41:13 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Fri Sep 19 00:41:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Generator powered laptops? In-Reply-To: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D33B79.6090801@gmail.com> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Well, as many of you know, Houston got it's posterior handed to it by > Ike. Unfortunately, I am (along with most of Houston and surrounding > areas) without power. We are fortunate to have running water and > natural gas. Recently we bought a generator and have been surviving > quite well. > > The question I have for SATLUG and XCSSA is concerning the 110VAC > output coming from the generator. I took a meter to the power output > and found that the power fluctuates almost constantly between 116VAC > and 118VAC after getting the engine calibrated correctly. (Before it > was surging wildly from 105VAC to 130VAC. It's amazing what a quarter > turn on the idler adjustment does. :P) > > The questions are: > 1: Would you consider this clean enough to run a laptop or other > computer fed by the brick-style switching power supplies? > 2: If it's not clean enough, would adding an UPS clean it up without > resulting in a blown UPS? > > The idea behind this is that DSL and cable are both out in my > neighborhood and there are a few people in my neighborhood that are > needing to apply for FEMA assistance. I am thinking of using my VIA > Artigo with it's miniscule 12watt power supply to NAT the cellular > modem connection I'm currently on (at the office) to retransmit via an > accesspoint locally so that others nearby can contact FEMA, their work > or loved ones and let everyone know they're OK. It's nothing fancy > like satellite uplinks or anything the Red Cross has, but it's way > better than nothing at all. On a side note, Sprint came up on Monday > night, while AT&T and Tmobile are still down for the count in my > subdivision. A few decades ago, when parts of the US were experiencing serious brown outs, most manufacturers started designing power supplies that were relatively tolerant of fluctuations in line voltage. Your laptop is unlikely to be damaged at any rate. In a worst-case scenario you could possibly lose the power supply but I'd say the likelihood was very small. -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Sep 19 00:47:18 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Sep 19 00:47:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Generator powered laptops? In-Reply-To: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would say that what you really want is a Line Conditioner, of the sort the sell for use with sensitive Audio/Video equipment. That should get the power output into good enough shape for any equipment you might connect. Failing that, most UPSes I know of are pretty good at being able to take in bad quality power and output something that is at least minimally acceptable for most computers. Your primary risk here is burning out the UPS, if the input quality is bad enough. -- Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:11 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Well, as many of you know, Houston got it's posterior handed to it by > Ike. Unfortunately, I am (along with most of Houston and surrounding > areas) without power. We are fortunate to have running water and > natural gas. Recently we bought a generator and have been surviving > quite well. > > The question I have for SATLUG and XCSSA is concerning the 110VAC > output coming from the generator. I took a meter to the power output > and found that the power fluctuates almost constantly between 116VAC > and 118VAC after getting the engine calibrated correctly. (Before it > was surging wildly from 105VAC to 130VAC. It's amazing what a quarter > turn on the idler adjustment does. :P) > > The questions are: > 1: Would you consider this clean enough to run a laptop or other > computer fed by the brick-style switching power supplies? > 2: If it's not clean enough, would adding an UPS clean it up without > resulting in a blown UPS? > > The idea behind this is that DSL and cable are both out in my > neighborhood and there are a few people in my neighborhood that are > needing to apply for FEMA assistance. I am thinking of using my VIA > Artigo with it's miniscule 12watt power supply to NAT the cellular > modem connection I'm currently on (at the office) to retransmit via an > accesspoint locally so that others nearby can contact FEMA, their work > or loved ones and let everyone know they're OK. It's nothing fancy > like satellite uplinks or anything the Red Cross has, but it's way > better than nothing at all. On a side note, Sprint came up on Monday > night, while AT&T and Tmobile are still down for the count in my > subdivision. > > Questions? Comments? Suggestions? > > > Thank you. > FIRESTORM_v1 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Sep 19 06:39:10 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Sep 19 06:39:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Generator powered laptops? In-Reply-To: References: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221824350.19738.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> when I was in the army we used line conditioners to stabalize the current for our computers. An UPS can help but as Brad points out an unconditioned line can eventually burn out your UPS. Thats why when we (Army) were on generator we would use the conditioner then the UPS. Todd On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 00:47 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > I would say that what you really want is a Line Conditioner, of the > sort the sell for use with sensitive Audio/Video equipment. That > should get the power output into good enough shape for any equipment > you might connect. > > Failing that, most UPSes I know of are pretty good at being able to > take in bad quality power and output something that is at least > minimally acceptable for most computers. Your primary risk here is > burning out the UPS, if the input quality is bad enough. > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:11 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 > wrote: > > > Well, as many of you know, Houston got it's posterior handed to it by > > Ike. Unfortunately, I am (along with most of Houston and surrounding > > areas) without power. We are fortunate to have running water and > > natural gas. Recently we bought a generator and have been surviving > > quite well. > > > > The question I have for SATLUG and XCSSA is concerning the 110VAC > > output coming from the generator. I took a meter to the power output > > and found that the power fluctuates almost constantly between 116VAC > > and 118VAC after getting the engine calibrated correctly. (Before it > > was surging wildly from 105VAC to 130VAC. It's amazing what a quarter > > turn on the idler adjustment does. :P) > > > > The questions are: > > 1: Would you consider this clean enough to run a laptop or other > > computer fed by the brick-style switching power supplies? > > 2: If it's not clean enough, would adding an UPS clean it up without > > resulting in a blown UPS? > > > > The idea behind this is that DSL and cable are both out in my > > neighborhood and there are a few people in my neighborhood that are > > needing to apply for FEMA assistance. I am thinking of using my VIA > > Artigo with it's miniscule 12watt power supply to NAT the cellular > > modem connection I'm currently on (at the office) to retransmit via an > > accesspoint locally so that others nearby can contact FEMA, their work > > or loved ones and let everyone know they're OK. It's nothing fancy > > like satellite uplinks or anything the Red Cross has, but it's way > > better than nothing at all. On a side note, Sprint came up on Monday > > night, while AT&T and Tmobile are still down for the count in my > > subdivision. > > > > Questions? Comments? Suggestions? > > > > > > Thank you. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Sep 19 08:30:14 2008 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (tweeks) Date: Fri Sep 19 08:29:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] Generator powered laptops? In-Reply-To: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809190830.15612.tweeks@rackspace.com> On Friday 19 September 2008 00:11, X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: [...] > The questions are: > 1: Would you consider this clean enough to run a laptop or other > computer fed by the brick-style switching power supplies? Yes.. Today's power bricks are VERY forgiving. Anything between 100-280VAC will be accepted and switched and regulated down tot he proper DC voltage. > 2: If it's not clean enough, would adding an UPS clean it up without > resulting in a blown UPS? Unsure about how robust the input of a wall UPS is. I imagine the biggest problem with an UPS is that they are very sensitive to input voltage and our be switching on and off so frequently, that it would be more hard on your equipment (and the UPS) than running without it. Now if you were powering a desktop and an LCD.. then yeah.. I would definitely run a desktop UPS for those systems.. but you still may have to adjust the UPS (via DIP switch normally) to be "less sensitive" to input V fluctuations. But from the perspective of a laptop.. and UPS would be not only redundant, but un-needed. After all, the laptop has its own UPS.. the battery build into the unit. And it will automatically switch internally between incoming DC and batt DC. So don't bother with an external UPS for laptops. > The idea behind this is that DSL and cable are both out in my > neighborhood and there are a few people in my neighborhood that are > needing to apply for FEMA assistance. I am thinking of using my VIA > Artigo with it's miniscule 12watt power supply to NAT the cellular > modem connection I'm currently on (at the office) to retransmit via an > accesspoint locally so that others nearby can contact FEMA, their work > or loved ones and let everyone know they're OK. That's a cool thing you're doing.. but at least look in to your provider's policy on BW sharing.. and if they police it or not. It would be a shame to be cut off for helping people. > It's nothing fancy > like satellite uplinks or anything the Red Cross has, but it's way > better than nothing at all. Much better than satellite IMHO. Much less latency.. and prob. better BW too. > On a side note, Sprint came up on Monday > night, while AT&T and Tmobile are still down for the count in my > subdivision. > > Questions? Comments? Suggestions? If you're setting up any kind of stop gap solution for power... you might want to actually look at getting a bank of lead acid gel cell batteries and hooking up a good sides solar panel too.. if you have a big enough array, and watch your battery voltage, then you could get away with just running the generator at night, and during the day be totally "green". You would probably get some local green-seeking reporter to cover what you're doing there in the process... :) A good price for large cells array and can be had at harbor freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90599 just add a 300W power inverter and batteries and you're set! Portable.. renewable power source. :) Tweeks From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Sep 19 09:14:23 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Sep 19 09:14:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] Generator powered laptops? In-Reply-To: <200809190830.15612.tweeks@rackspace.com> References: <869de8470809182211w125aca2u90ef0d91ed55f0b@mail.gmail.com> <200809190830.15612.tweeks@rackspace.com> Message-ID: <1221833663.19738.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > If you're setting up any kind of stop gap solution for power... you might want > to actually look at getting a bank of lead acid gel cell batteries and > hooking up a good sides solar panel too.. if you have a big enough array, > and watch your battery voltage, then you could get away with just running the > generator at night, and during the day be totally "green". You would > probably get some local green-seeking reporter to cover what you're doing > there in the process... :) > A good price for large cells array and can be had at harbor freight: > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90599 > > just add a 300W power inverter and batteries and you're set! > Portable.. renewable power source. :) > > Tweeks this got me thinking...can someone point me the way to a good wiki or faq about installing solar panels for home use. solar panel prices finally seem to be coming within reach. Todd From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Sep 19 09:29:53 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri Sep 19 09:29:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Solar Power Basics Message-ID: >this got me thinking...can someone point me the way to a good wiki or >faq about installing solar panels for home use. solar panel prices >finally seem to be coming within reach. ( Todd ) --------------------------------- Check out www.homepower.com they cover all aspects. From siffland at nerdshack.com Fri Sep 19 12:06:07 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Fri Sep 19 12:06:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library Message-ID: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of any Virtual Tape Library software for Linux, free and open-source. HP and IBM and a few others make some for a nice chunk of change and they work well, but i want it for my own evil personal purposes and don't want to pay. Sean From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 12:36:16 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Sep 19 12:47:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809191236.17608.jdchoate@mcn.org> On Friday 19 September 2008 12:06:07 Sean I wrote: > Does anyone know of any Virtual Tape Library software for Linux, free > and open-source. HP and IBM and a few others make some for a nice > chunk of change and they work well, but i want it for my own evil > personal purposes and don't want to pay. > > Sean I don't know if this is what you need, but it might do the trick... MTX: Media Changer Tools "These tools are used to view information about, and to control, Media Changer devices such as Tape and DVD/CD libraries." http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtx/ From charles at charlesgruber.com Fri Sep 19 13:13:24 2008 From: charles at charlesgruber.com (Charles Gruber) Date: Fri Sep 19 13:13:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <200809191236.17608.jdchoate@mcn.org> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <200809191236.17608.jdchoate@mcn.org> Message-ID: There is also "Virtual Volumes View": an application that catalogs the content of removable volumes like CD and DVD disks for off-line searching. http://vvvapp.sourceforge.net/ Charles Gruber On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:36, John D Choate wrote: > > On Friday 19 September 2008 12:06:07 Sean I wrote: > > Does anyone know of any Virtual Tape Library software for Linux, free > > and open-source. HP and IBM and a few others make some for a nice > > chunk of change and they work well, but i want it for my own evil > > personal purposes and don't want to pay. > > > > Sean > > I don't know if this is what you need, but it might do the trick... > > MTX: Media Changer Tools > "These tools are used to view information about, and to control, Media Changer > devices such as Tape and DVD/CD libraries." > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtx/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From j at jvpappas.net Fri Sep 19 15:00:48 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Sep 19 15:00:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:06, Sean I wrote: > Does anyone know of any Virtual Tape Library software for Linux, free > and open-source. HP and IBM and a few others make some for a nice > chunk of change and they work well, but i want it for my own evil > personal purposes and don't want to pay. > > Sean > Are you looking for VTL where an existing backup application is "presented" a simulated tape library (Tapes, Drives, Robotics, etc)? If so, I am not familiar with any. The closest thing that I can think of otherwise is Amanda (Commercial: Zmanda.com, OSS: Amanda.org) that uses disk storage to keep Tape segments, so it acts like tape using disk (kinda VTL-ly). Can you expound a little bit on what you are looking for, so that I can better understand VTL in your context? Thanks! jp From siffland at nerdshack.com Fri Sep 19 16:40:35 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Fri Sep 19 16:40:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00809191440r31451d89ubedc7b9e4a7c480@mail.gmail.com> > > Are you looking for VTL where an existing backup application is "presented" > a simulated tape library (Tapes, Drives, Robotics, etc)? If so, I am not > familiar with any. The closest thing that I can think of otherwise is > Amanda (Commercial: Zmanda.com, OSS: Amanda.org) that uses disk storage to > keep Tape segments, so it acts like tape using disk (kinda VTL-ly). > > Can you expound a little bit on what you are looking for, so that I can > better understand VTL in your context? > > Thanks! > jp > -- Like HP Virtual Tapeserver. It presents itself to the backup utility like a tape drive but writes to disk: http://docs.hp.com/en/529509-005/529509-005.pdf?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN That way it can be bounced down to tape later by the backup utility via tape copy easily if so desired. Sean From wwalker at bybent.com Fri Sep 19 23:22:58 2008 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Sat Sep 20 08:50:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080920042258.GA7793@bybent.com> Lots of good products , google "linux virtual tape library" On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:06:07PM -0500, Sean I wrote: > Does anyone know of any Virtual Tape Library software for Linux, free > and open-source. HP and IBM and a few others make some for a nice > chunk of change and they work well, but i want it for my own evil > personal purposes and don't want to pay. > > Sean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Wayne Walker wwalker@bybent.com Do you use Linux?! http://www.bybent.com Get Counted! http://counter.li.org/ Perl - http://www.perl.org/ Perl User Groups - http://www.pm.org/ Jabber: wwalker@jabber.bybent.com AIM: lwwalkerbybent IRC: wwalker on freenode.net From j at jvpappas.net Sat Sep 20 10:31:20 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sat Sep 20 10:31:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809191440r31451d89ubedc7b9e4a7c480@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00809191440r31451d89ubedc7b9e4a7c480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809200831q28c18837gdab35a09a8a363a2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 16:40, Sean I wrote: > > Can you expound a little bit on what you are looking for, so that I can > > better understand VTL in your context? > > > > Thanks! > > jp > > -- > > Like HP Virtual Tapeserver. It presents itself to the backup utility > like a tape drive but writes to disk: > This one is a toughie. The market is such that there is too much money in this segment to FOSS the solution. I have used/implemented both DataDomain ($$$$) and Falconstor ($$$) for this purpose, but I have not found a FOSS tape emulator. There are a number of other players here as well: EMC (FalconStor), STK (Falconstor), Quantum, Sepaton, HP (3 different implementations: Small=HomeGrown, Open Systems is Sepaton, Plus the one you listed), and some smaller players that Wayne's seach suggestion turned up. None are free, most are far from free. Most backup products have introduced various implementations of D2D, but in a cross platform environment, this limits your media server selection (storage locations are not always cross platform) capabilities, or limits your throughput to network speeds, rather than SAN speeds/latency. > That way it can be bounced down to tape later by the backup utility > via tape copy easily if so desired. Just out of curiosity, what protocol did you want to use present this capability? None of the solutions above are "Small Environment" friendly, as they use FibreChannel predominantly, and most people do not have a FC SAN at home. I have not personnally seen an iSCSI VTL implementation, but FalconSTor does iSCSI in thier IPStor block virtualizer product, so I can imagine that it could be done. I would love to see a FOSS VTL, but the engineering resources are way above what a small shop can afford; not to mention the "services" tied to a good implementation are scarce. Plus, the big boys aren't about to release source code, as that is their bread and butter. Minus additional feedback from one with more insight, I would say that the "VTL" type implementations included with the backup software is going to be the most accessible. You could try to get an NDA with FalconStor in order to "develop" modules for their product, but the infrastructure requrements are so high that your bang would be very small IMHO. FWIW -- Falconstor and DataDomain both use Linux as the platform for thier products. DD is more of an "appliance" company since they do not sell the software standalone, but FalconStor does (hence the OEM agreements with EMC/STK/etc). Good luck, and PLEASE share any findings, as I am interested.... jp From wwalker at bybent.com Sat Sep 20 11:41:35 2008 From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker) Date: Sat Sep 20 11:41:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809200831q28c18837gdab35a09a8a363a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00809191440r31451d89ubedc7b9e4a7c480@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809200831q28c18837gdab35a09a8a363a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080920164135.GC10987@bybent.com> Sean, Which backup solution are you using? Also if iSCSI would work with the solution instead, look into OpenFiler, it seems to be a nice SAN/NAS distro (with DRBD for those who need super powerful instant failover) Not sure if any of that is useful for you. Wayne -- Wayne Walker wwalker@bybent.com Do you use Linux?! http://www.bybent.com Get Counted! http://counter.li.org/ Perl - http://www.perl.org/ Perl User Groups - http://www.pm.org/ Jabber: wwalker@jabber.bybent.com AIM: lwwalkerbybent IRC: wwalker on freenode.net From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 13:01:43 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Sep 20 13:03:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <20080920042258.GA7793@bybent.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <20080920042258.GA7793@bybent.com> Message-ID: <200809201301.43352.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 19 September 2008 23:22:58 Wayne Walker wrote: > Lots of good products , google "linux virtual tape library" > Even easier to search for Linux related stuff on google... just bookmark the following and there is one less word to type. http://www.google.com/linux From herrold at owlriver.com Sat Sep 20 12:33:36 2008 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Sat Sep 20 16:52:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Virtual Tape Library In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809200831q28c18837gdab35a09a8a363a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00809191006j75578ad0lea997de338bb40d5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809191300r797dbc2eobc874b691aba8926@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00809191440r31451d89ubedc7b9e4a7c480@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450809200831q28c18837gdab35a09a8a363a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, John Pappas wrote: > This one is a toughie. The market is such that there is too much money in > this segment to FOSS the solution. I have used/implemented both DataDomain > ($$$$) and Falconstor ($$$) for this purpose, but I have not found a FOSS > tape emulator. Certainly doable as a block device driver onto a spindle, but is it worth the effort? If not, in FOSS it does not get done unless it finds a patron or a champion with the 'itch' > Most backup products have introduced various implementations of D2D, but in > a cross platform environment, this limits your media server selection > (storage locations are not always cross platform) capabilities, or limits > your throughput to network speeds, rather than SAN speeds/latency. ... at the price of adding a cache stageing spindle at the local machine, the speed argument largely goes away ... >> That way it can be bounced down to tape later by the backup utility >> via tape copy easily if so desired. ... and if memory serves. Amanda is happy to spool out to tape from a quiesent cache spindle, with initial source labelling passed along. Of course if bandwidth constrained, one is going to have to have a 'backside' network for shuttling backup content _to_ the hosts with the drives pool, but Amanda handles that as well. -- Russ herrold From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 20 22:17:28 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Sep 20 22:19:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing the 'owner' of a group of files Message-ID: <48D5BCC8.9020802@satx.rr.com> I am finally getting my wife switched over to Linux, and that means moving a bunch of files from her old Windows system onto the new box. However, previous tests I have done make it look like the files don't recognize her as the owner on the new machine. Is there a way to have the 'owner' setting for all these files changed, in one large batch conversion? I can go in and manually manipulate the read-write-execute privileges, but it seemed to be a rather clumsy process ... TIA. Al Lesmerises From astro at astr0.org Sat Sep 20 22:24:49 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (Brian) Date: Sat Sep 20 22:25:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing the 'owner' of a group of files Message-ID: <1055831095-1221967504-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-443935799-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> # cd ~username # sudo chown -vR user.group * That should get them. ------Original Message------ From: Alan Lesmerises Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: SATLUG Mail Group ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] Changing the 'owner' of a group of files Sent: Sep 20, 2008 22:17 I am finally getting my wife switched over to Linux, and that means moving a bunch of files from her old Windows system onto the new box. However, previous tests I have done make it look like the files don't recognize her as the owner on the new machine. Is there a way to have the 'owner' setting for all these files changed, in one large batch conversion? I can go in and manually manipulate the read-write-execute privileges, but it seemed to be a rather clumsy process ... TIA. Al Lesmerises -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From donguitar at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 14:06:45 2008 From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder) Date: Sun Sep 21 14:06:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance. Message-ID: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> First off, I've been on this site... http://www.linuxcommand.org/ ...trying to teach myself how to use the CLI and I'm starting to get it, a little, but it's a slow process. Meanwhile I very much wish to learn how to use this utility. http://txt2html.sourceforge.net/txt2html.html and I'm having trouble figuring it out. Here are the particulars the text file is named... #101-2008-09-15.txt ...and I wish to invoke the following switches: --extract [to create a file I can paste into a template] --make_links [to convert URLs in the text document to hypertext links] --lower_case_tags [because lower case tags are standards compliant] --short_line_length 65 [so that any line 65 characters or shorter will be followed by an html
to preserve the test file's formatting (I keep the text file's line length down to 60 characters or less). I wish to have an output file named text.html So far I've no trouble opening a terminal and navigating to the text file's location: don@debianguitar:~$ cd /home/don/temp2 don@debianguitar:~/temp2$ ls #101-2008-09-15.txt don@debianguitar:~/temp2$ Could someone please show me the syntax required to use this utility in the manner I've described, or correct me if you can see some fundamental error in my reasoning process? The point: I use a Windows app called Text2web to create the online issue of our ezine each month. http://www.don-guitar.com/currentissue.html I deliberately try to make the online version resemble the plain text email version as closely as possible. I have text2web set to omit any html headers or footers and to preserve the text file's formatting by preceding carriage returns with html breaks. This is quite literally the only thing I'm still using Windows to do and every time I turn on the XP machine I'm more annoyed by my inability to do the job in Linux. If I can learn to use txt2html I won't have any more use for XP. That would please me a lot. I realize that many of you are somewhat contemptuous of those of us who are CLI challenged. I hope you'll set aside that contempt for a moment and help eliminate some of my ignorance. Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- Don Crowder http://www.don-guitar.com http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/ http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/donguitar A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE. From satlug at net153.net Sun Sep 21 14:17:50 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Sep 21 14:17:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing the 'owner' of a group of files In-Reply-To: <48D5BCC8.9020802@satx.rr.com> References: <48D5BCC8.9020802@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48D69DDE.1040501@net153.net> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I am finally getting my wife switched over to Linux, and that means > moving a bunch of files from her old Windows system onto the new box. > However, previous tests I have done make it look like the files don't > recognize her as the owner on the new machine. > > Is there a way to have the 'owner' setting for all these files changed, > in one large batch conversion? I can go in and manually manipulate the > read-write-execute privileges, but it seemed to be a rather clumsy > process ... > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > Chown is the command you want. Type man chown into the terminal and you will get more info. Something like chown -R wife:wife /home/wife Sam From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 21 14:49:34 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Sep 21 14:51:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing the 'owner' of a group of files In-Reply-To: <48D69DDE.1040501@net153.net> References: <48D5BCC8.9020802@satx.rr.com> <48D69DDE.1040501@net153.net> Message-ID: <48D6A54E.8030402@satx.rr.com> I got all the files transferred & converted this afternoon. Thanks. Al Lesmerises Samuel Leon wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> I am finally getting my wife switched over to Linux, and that means >> moving a bunch of files from her old Windows system onto the new >> box. However, previous tests I have done make it look like the files >> don't recognize her as the owner on the new machine. >> >> Is there a way to have the 'owner' setting for all these files >> changed, in one large batch conversion? I can go in and manually >> manipulate the read-write-execute privileges, but it seemed to be a >> rather clumsy process ... >> >> TIA. >> >> Al Lesmerises > Chown is the command you want. Type man chown into the terminal and > you will get more info. Something like > chown -R wife:wife /home/wife > > Sam From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Sep 21 14:57:20 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Sep 21 14:59:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance. In-Reply-To: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com> Don't feel bad about not knowing all the CLI stuff -- I'm no expert either, & I suspect many of the other people on the list aren't as well. I just have to ask why you would even worry about the line length -- HTML will automatically wrap the text as the browser window is sized. In fact, forcing line breaks could actually make the text look a little odd if the browser window is too narrow to display the full line of text w/65 characters (you'll have the text flow to the next line and maybe only have one or two words before it forces a line break as you have it formatted). If it's really not necessary, I'd suggest making your life a little easier and don't worry about the line length. Al Lesmerises Don Crowder wrote: > First off, I've been on this site... > > http://www.linuxcommand.org/ > > > ...trying to teach myself how to use the CLI and I'm starting to get > it, a little, but it's a slow process. Meanwhile I very much wish to > learn how to use this utility. > > http://txt2html.sourceforge.net/txt2html.html > > and I'm having trouble figuring it out. Here are the particulars > > the text file is named... > > #101-2008-09-15.txt > > ...and I wish to invoke the following switches: > > --extract [to create a file I can paste into a template] > > --make_links [to convert URLs in the text document to hypertext links] > > --lower_case_tags [because lower case tags are standards compliant] > > --short_line_length 65 [so that any line 65 characters or shorter will > be followed by an html
to preserve the test file's formatting (I > keep the text file's line length down to 60 characters or less). > > I wish to have an output file named text.html > > So far I've no trouble opening a terminal and navigating to the text > file's location: > > don@debianguitar:~$ cd /home/don/temp2 > don@debianguitar:~/temp2$ ls > #101-2008-09-15.txt > don@debianguitar:~/temp2$ > > Could someone please show me the syntax required to use this utility > in the manner I've described, or correct me if you can see some > fundamental error in my reasoning process? > > The point: > > I use a Windows app called Text2web to create the online issue of our > ezine each month. > > http://www.don-guitar.com/currentissue.html > > I deliberately try to make the online version resemble the plain text > email version as closely as possible. I have text2web set to omit any > html headers or footers and to preserve the text file's formatting by > preceding carriage returns with html breaks. > > This is quite literally the only thing I'm still using Windows to do > and every time I turn on the XP machine I'm more annoyed by my > inability to do the job in Linux. If I can learn to use txt2html I > won't have any more use for XP. That would please me a lot. > > I realize that many of you are somewhat contemptuous of those of us > who are CLI challenged. I hope you'll set aside that contempt for a > moment and help eliminate some of my ignorance. > > Thanks, From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 15:35:59 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Sep 21 15:36:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance. In-Reply-To: <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com> References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > In fact, forcing line breaks could actually make the text look a little > odd if the browser window is too narrow to display the full line of text > w/65 characters (you'll have the text flow to the next line and maybe > only have one or two words before it forces a line break as you have it > formatted). Incorrect. Unless you are in a 
 block, a newline is treated exactly 
like a space or tab and all multiple whitespace characters are treated as a 
single whitespace character.

   -- Bruce
From brad at shub-internet.org  Sun Sep 21 16:58:35 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun Sep 21 16:58:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D6C38B.6040605@shub-internet.org>

Don Crowder wrote:

> I deliberately try to make the online version resemble the plain text 
> email version as closely as possible.  I have text2web set to omit any 
> html headers or footers and to preserve the text file's formatting by 
> preceding carriage returns with html breaks.

Just put everything inside of 
 tags, and all interior 
formatting will be preserved.  Beyond that, all you should need are 
minimal  and  tags, and it should look exactly 
like the e-mail message.

IMO, this issue has less to do with learning the CLI and more to do with 
learning HTML formatting, because you could do the above with either CLI 
or GUI tools, but the result you want to achieve would be exactly the same.

I'd recommend getting a good book on basic HTML and starting to learn 
the formatting commands.


As for booting XP, if you installed VMware or one of those other 
virtualization tools, you could run XP under Linux, and not have to 
worry about actually booting or rebooting the physical machine.

I've just upgraded to version 2.0 of VMWare Fusion on my MacPro at work, 
and it was actually pretty easy to install Solaris 10 x86/64 from the 
ISO images I downloaded from the Sun website -- I didn't even use any of 
the hundreds or thousands of pre-built VMWare "appliance" images that 
you can download.

I'm anticipating that it will be pretty easy to install RHEL 5 (our 
other primary server OS at work), as well as FreeBSD 7, and whatever 
other Intel-based OSes that I want to play with, while leaving the 
machine itself running Mac OS X 10.5.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
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From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu  Sun Sep 21 19:10:04 2008
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars)
Date: Sun Sep 21 19:10:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D6C38B.6040605@shub-internet.org>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> <48D6C38B.6040605@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48D6E25C.4000307@cis.sac.accd.edu>

Brad Knowles wrote:
>
> I'd recommend getting a good book on basic HTML and starting to learn
> the formatting commands.
>
also: www.w3.org
>
> As for booting XP, if you installed VMware or one of those other
> virtualization tools, you could run XP under Linux, and not have to
> worry about actually booting or rebooting the physical machine.
>
There are many benefits of running Linux on the base machine, and then
running everything else with VMware workstation.  netfilter is a big
benefit.
> I've just upgraded to version 2.0 of VMWare Fusion on my MacPro at
> work, and it was actually pretty easy to install Solaris 10 x86/64
> from the ISO images I downloaded from the Sun website -- I didn't even
> use any of the hundreds or thousands of pre-built VMWare "appliance"
> images that you can download.
>
> I'm anticipating that it will be pretty easy to install RHEL 5 (our
> other primary server OS at work), as well as FreeBSD 7, and whatever
> other Intel-based OSes that I want to play with, while leaving the
> machine itself running Mac OS X 10.5.
>
I have every version of (ugh) Microsoft Windows, all of the major
versions of BSD, and Fedora 7, 8, and 9 running in VMware.  It works
great.  Glad to hear Solaris is an easy install (have not had time to
load it yet).

I think that Brad has given you some great advice.

Steve


From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Sun Sep 21 20:07:19 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Sun Sep 21 20:07:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assistance.
In-Reply-To: <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200809212007.19531.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Sunday 21 September 2008 02:57:20 pm Alan Lesmerises wrote:
> Don't feel bad about not knowing all the CLI stuff -- I'm no expert
> either, & I suspect many of the other people on the list aren't as well.

Two friends of mine recently wrote a  LInux CLI toolbox book series 
called "Linux Toolbox: 1000+ Commands for Ubuntu and Debian Power Users"

There's an Ubuntu version:
http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-Linux-Toolbox-Commands-Debian/dp/B001C30TIC/

A Fedora Linux version:
http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Linux-Toolbox-Commands-CentOS/dp/0470082917

and a BSD version:
http://www.amazon.com/BSD-UNIX-Toolbox-Commands-FreeBSD/dp/B001B041VC

Great little helper references that are very nicely laid out.  Good for 
beginners as well as old timers.

Tweeks
From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 21:29:27 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Sun Sep 21 21:31:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com> <48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>
	<48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>

Actually, I have been doing a lot of HTML coding for more than 15 years 
(and getting into XML lately), using nothing more than Windows' notepad 
in the beginning.  I got intimately familiar with HTML tags and how they 
behave.  But just to be sure, I just tested it again (using some 
arbitrary running text in a non 
 formatted block, 
interspersed with 
 tags throughout), and a 
 tag WILL force a 
line break -- it is not interpreted as whitespace.

Al Lesmerises


Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> Alan Lesmerises wrote:
>
>> In fact, forcing line breaks could actually make the text look a 
>> little odd if the browser window is too narrow to display the full 
>> line of text w/65 characters (you'll have the text flow to the next 
>> line and maybe only have one or two words before it forces a line 
>> break as you have it formatted).  
> Incorrect.  Unless you are in a 
 block, a newline is 
> treated exactly like a space or tab and all multiple whitespace 
> characters are treated as a single whitespace character.
>
>   -- Bruce

From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 21:51:57 2008
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Sun Sep 21 21:52:00 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com>
	<48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>	<48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com>
	<48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48D7084D.7080301@gmail.com>

I missed the portion of the original post that mentioned using tags to force 
line breaks.

Second, I think you are exaggerating your comment about 15 years since the first 
RFC on HTML was only published 13 years ago.  If you had to test it, you really 
don't know HTML as well as you imply.

   -- Bruce


Alan Lesmerises wrote:
> Actually, I have been doing a lot of HTML coding for more than 15 years 
> (and getting into XML lately), using nothing more than Windows' notepad 
> in the beginning.  I got intimately familiar with HTML tags and how they 
> behave.  But just to be sure, I just tested it again (using some 
> arbitrary running text in a non 
 formatted block, 
> interspersed with 
 tags throughout), and a 
 tag WILL force a 
> line break -- it is not interpreted as whitespace.
> 
> Al Lesmerises
> 
> 
> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> Alan Lesmerises wrote:
>>
>>> In fact, forcing line breaks could actually make the text look a 
>>> little odd if the browser window is too narrow to display the full 
>>> line of text w/65 characters (you'll have the text flow to the next 
>>> line and maybe only have one or two words before it forces a line 
>>> break as you have it formatted).  
>> Incorrect.  Unless you are in a 
 block, a newline is 
>> treated exactly like a space or tab and all multiple whitespace 
>> characters are treated as a single whitespace character.
>>
>>   -- Bruce
> 

From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu  Sun Sep 21 22:10:14 2008
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars)
Date: Sun Sep 21 22:10:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com>
	<48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>	<48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com>
	<48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48D70C96.7090505@cis.sac.accd.edu>


>  formatted block, interspersed with 
 tags throughout), and a 

> tag WILL force a line break -- it is not



The tag is 
.  We have fought long and hard for standards in this
industry.  Most browsers will display poorly written code, but as
members of this list we should insist on standards.  We should insist on
code that properly validates at w3.org.

All begin tags must have an end tag.  For example, .

Steve

From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 22:59:06 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Sun Sep 21 23:01:07 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Requesting CLI assitance.
In-Reply-To: <48D7084D.7080301@gmail.com>
References: <48D69B45.6000001@gmail.com>	<48D6A720.9060405@satx.rr.com>	<48D6B02F.3060201@gmail.com>	<48D70307.1060802@satx.rr.com>
	<48D7084D.7080301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D7180A.2010109@satx.rr.com>

Actually, if I still had copies of what I wrote, I could show you stuff 
I wrote going back to 1993.

And I tested it just to be _absolutely_ sure I was correct and not 
remembering it wrong -- sometimes when you've been doing things a long 
time, some of the details can get confused.

Al Lesmerises


Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> I missed the portion of the original post that mentioned using tags to 
> force line breaks.
>
> Second, I think you are exaggerating your comment about 15 years since 
> the first RFC on HTML was only published 13 years ago.  If you had to 
> test it, you really don't know HTML as well as you imply.
>
>   -- Bruce
>
> Alan Lesmerises wrote:
>> Actually, I have been doing a lot of HTML coding for more than 15 
>> years (and getting into XML lately), using nothing more than Windows' 
>> notepad in the beginning.  I got intimately familiar with HTML tags 
>> and how they behave.  But just to be sure, I just tested it again 
>> (using some arbitrary running text in a non 
 formatted 
>> block, interspersed with 
 tags throughout), and a 
 tag WILL 
>> force a line break -- it is not interpreted as whitespace.
>>
>> Al Lesmerises
>>
>> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>>> Alan Lesmerises wrote:
>>>> In fact, forcing line breaks could actually make the text look a 
>>>> little odd if the browser window is too narrow to display the full 
>>>> line of text w/65 characters (you'll have the text flow to the next 
>>>> line and maybe only have one or two words before it forces a line 
>>>> break as you have it formatted).  
>>> Incorrect.  Unless you are in a 
 block, a newline is 
>>> treated exactly like a space or tab and all multiple whitespace 
>>> characters are treated as a single whitespace character.
>>>
>>>   -- Bruce
From donguitar at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 01:25:04 2008
From: donguitar at gmail.com (Don Crowder)
Date: Mon Sep 22 01:25:10 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
Message-ID: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>

This is the proper syntax for the job I was trying accomplish.

txt2html 101-2008-09-15.txt --extract --lower_case_tags --prebegin 0 
--preend 0 --outfile text.html

Thanks to Lee Parmeter on the www.hllug.org email list whose suggestions 
helped me determine that it was a mistake to include the pound sign 
("#") in the name of my text file. Taking the pound sign out of the file 
name and working my way through the options again, slowly, enabled me to 
get the desired output after a few trial runs.

No thanks to SATLUG members.

I know that SATLUG members ARE NOT a pack of self-absorbed, 
anal-retentive prima donnas.  Why do so many of you behave that way when 
someone asks for help?

I asked for help with the syntax and didn't get a single answer which 
addressed my question.  I have no objection to learning far more than 
the answer to my question but I do wish you'd wait until the question is 
answered before going into "important related issues" and/or the usual 
intellectual snobbery.

Anyone on this list who, like me, is reluctant to ask for help because 
you don't care to be browbeaten by academic thugs has my personal 
invitation to join the hllug mailing list.

My apologies to any of you whom I have unjustly offended.
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http://www.don-guitar.com
http://www.lockergnome.com/eldergeek/
http://www.freelists.org/list/donspatch
http://don-guitar.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/donguitar
A proud user of Debian Etch w/KDE.
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 03:58:45 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Mon Sep 22 03:59:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] A Small World Linux Success Story
Message-ID: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>

Hey folks;

A Small World Linux Success Story...

Once upon a time, I had all kinds of questions about how to work in
Linux, how to network, how to work the CLI, how to run wireless, and
wasn't about to upgrade to Ubuntu 8.04LTS after hearing a number of
wireless horror stories.  No more though...  A few months ago, my
Windoze server finally crashed for good, and my long-suffering laptop
crashed a month later... And, then I decided to swim with Linux rather
than sink...

I now have three machines (an Acer 3050 Aspire Laptop, a HP Pavillion
531w mini-tower, and a Dell Optiplex GX-100 tower) all on line, all
updated to Linux Ubuntu 8.04; a Lexmark z35 printer and HP ScanJet 2300c
flatbed  scanner running; and both wired and wireless networking on line
- the whole network is now visible from any machine on it.

That said, Windoze is finally history in my house, and I'm a lot happier
for it.  Any similar stories?

Cheers;
Ed
From justin.burdette at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 04:38:08 2008
From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette)
Date: Mon Sep 22 04:38:11 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] A Small World Linux Success Story
In-Reply-To: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>
References: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

About 3 years ago, I had my self-built computer and my father's Dell,
both running XP. An update pushed to mine one morning and Windows
crashed. It had been a few months since I'd reinstalled, so I figured
it was time anyway. By 4 that afternoon, I'd reinstalled XP 5 times
because it would crash on SP2 installation or when I would install
antivirus. I finally stopped cussing, went to the other computer, and
downloaded Mandriva/Mandrake (whatever it was called at the time)

A few hours later, my seemingly dead computer was resurrected and
running faster than ever before. I eventually gave up on Mandriva
because I hated getting stuck in dependancy hell every time I wanted
to install something, but I wasn't going back to Windows. OpenSUSE
10.1 was out, and I'd read a bit on it before downloading.I was hooked
on SUSE after 10 minutes.

The Dell and the homebuilt were combined into one after the
motherboard finally blew on the homebuilt. My father was forced to
make the switch too, and he likes it. Since then I've added an IPCop
firewall, Ubuntu Server 8.04 for a web server (although it's still not
working right...) and Debian on my old laptop. I do have one XP box
now, strictly for a couple of games I love that won't run in WINE and
for testing software I use elsewhere.

The only frustrations I've had recently are the web server and the
OpenSUSE 11 updater...but I'm still happy with it overall!

Justin

On 9/22/08, ed  wrote:
> Hey folks;
>
> A Small World Linux Success Story...
>
> Once upon a time, I had all kinds of questions about how to work in
> Linux, how to network, how to work the CLI, how to run wireless, and
> wasn't about to upgrade to Ubuntu 8.04LTS after hearing a number of
> wireless horror stories.  No more though...  A few months ago, my
> Windoze server finally crashed for good, and my long-suffering laptop
> crashed a month later... And, then I decided to swim with Linux rather
> than sink...
>
> I now have three machines (an Acer 3050 Aspire Laptop, a HP Pavillion
> 531w mini-tower, and a Dell Optiplex GX-100 tower) all on line, all
> updated to Linux Ubuntu 8.04; a Lexmark z35 printer and HP ScanJet 2300c
> flatbed  scanner running; and both wired and wireless networking on line
> - the whole network is now visible from any machine on it.
>
> That said, Windoze is finally history in my house, and I'm a lot happier
> for it.  Any similar stories?
>
> Cheers;
> Ed
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From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Sep 22 10:43:11 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Sep 22 10:43:15 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with rocketraid 2300
Message-ID: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

I am in the midst of shuffling hardrives around between boxes.  I had
two WD 320 gig drives on a rocketraid 2300 which were ued with two other
2d 320 gig drives on my mobo.  the 4 drives are raided together as a
raid 5. I know that its an odd setup but it was working with no problems
before I started the harddrive shuffle. (its a new dance craze) I now
need to remove the rocketraid card and use it in another box however I
need to keep the two 320 gig drives in the same box. after backing up my
data i went into the Rocket raid bios and double checked the setup of
both drives were recognized and labled as being legacy (they were not
initialized). After shuting down I removed the card and attached the two
drives to the mobo.  Upon booting however my mobo bios sees  the two
drives however they are not identified and the both register as having 0
mb 0 cylenders, 0 heads, ect.
my questions has anyone seen this before?  is it possible to fix this?
or are these two drive forever paired with this card?

thanks in advance
Todd 

From jeremymann at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:49:53 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Mon Sep 22 10:49:55 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with rocketraid 2300
In-Reply-To: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:
> I am in the midst of shuffling hardrives around between boxes.  I had
> two WD 320 gig drives on a rocketraid 2300 which were ued with two other
> 2d 320 gig drives on my mobo.  the 4 drives are raided together as a
> raid 5. I know that its an odd setup but it was working with no problems
> before I started the harddrive shuffle. (its a new dance craze) I now
> need to remove the rocketraid card and use it in another box however I
> need to keep the two 320 gig drives in the same box. after backing up my
> data i went into the Rocket raid bios and double checked the setup of
> both drives were recognized and labled as being legacy (they were not
> initialized). After shuting down I removed the card and attached the two
> drives to the mobo.  Upon booting however my mobo bios sees  the two
> drives however they are not identified and the both register as having 0
> mb 0 cylenders, 0 heads, ect.
> my questions has anyone seen this before?  is it possible to fix this?
> or are these two drive forever paired with this card?

Todd, how old is your mobo? You may need to flash the BIOS to support
drives that large.



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Sep 22 10:52:08 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Sep 22 10:52:12 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with rocketraid 2300
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 10:49 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:
> > I am in the midst of shuffling hardrives around between boxes.  I had
> > two WD 320 gig drives on a rocketraid 2300 which were ued with two other
> > 2d 320 gig drives on my mobo.  the 4 drives are raided together as a
> > raid 5. I know that its an odd setup but it was working with no problems
> > before I started the harddrive shuffle. (its a new dance craze) I now
> > need to remove the rocketraid card and use it in another box however I
> > need to keep the two 320 gig drives in the same box. after backing up my
> > data i went into the Rocket raid bios and double checked the setup of
> > both drives were recognized and labled as being legacy (they were not
> > initialized). After shuting down I removed the card and attached the two
> > drives to the mobo.  Upon booting however my mobo bios sees  the two
> > drives however they are not identified and the both register as having 0
> > mb 0 cylenders, 0 heads, ect.
> > my questions has anyone seen this before?  is it possible to fix this?
> > or are these two drive forever paired with this card?
> 
> Todd, how old is your mobo? You may need to flash the BIOS to support
> drives that large.

the mobo is only two years old, besides I mentioned that i had two other
wd 320 drives on my mobo that were configured as a raid 5 with the two
wd 320 drives on the rocket raid.  
Todd

From jeremymann at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 12:17:59 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Mon Sep 22 12:18:00 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with rocketraid 2300
In-Reply-To: <1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Todd W. Bucy
> the mobo is only two years old, besides I mentioned that i had two other
> wd 320 drives on my mobo that were configured as a raid 5 with the two
> wd 320 drives on the rocket raid.

Sorry, I read that as all 4 drives were on the Rocket controller.


-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Sep 22 12:55:26 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Sep 22 12:55:34 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with rocketraid 2300
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 12:17 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Todd W. Bucy
> > the mobo is only two years old, besides I mentioned that i had two other
> > wd 320 drives on my mobo that were configured as a raid 5 with the two
> > wd 320 drives on the rocket raid.
> 
> Sorry, I read that as all 4 drives were on the Rocket controller.

this is proving to be a real headache...here is what I am doing to fix
it....I am keeping the two drives with the rocketraid card and moving
them to yet another box...real big headache as it require that I backup
and reinstall on another machine...I did come across a review on newegg
which said the there are known problems with WD drives on the highppoint
Rocket raid cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115029
however i have not been able to confirm this.  anyone know anything
about this?

Todd

From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Sep 22 13:11:47 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Sep 22 13:11:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
In-Reply-To: <1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

Well my headache with the Rocketraid card was started by my desire to
give linuxmce a try again.  In this particular box I will have 2 320 gig
and 2 500 gig drives.  with my raid I want it all redundancy, as much
space as possible and speed. I know that I cant have it all (i dont have
the $$) so I am trying to figure out a strategy....I was thinking of
doing a raid0 of 2x320 = 640 and a raid0 of 2x500 = 1tb then lvm the two
raid arrays for approximately 1.64 tb.  question will the lvm provide
any redundancy given the size difference between the two raid arrays? 

or would it be more advisable to do 2 raid1 then lvm them to get 840gb?

given that this will be a media server I want as much drive space as I
can get but I don't want to loose all my media should a drive die on me.

thanks for any advice on this topic

Todd

From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Sep 22 14:06:11 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon Sep 22 14:06:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
In-Reply-To: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
References: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D7ECA3.3050806@shub-internet.org>

Don Crowder wrote:

> Thanks to Lee Parmeter on the www.hllug.org email list whose suggestions 
> helped me determine that it was a mistake to include the pound sign 
> ("#") in the name of my text file. Taking the pound sign out of the file 
> name and working my way through the options again, slowly, enabled me to 
> get the desired output after a few trial runs.

That was an issue specific to the particular piece of software you were 
running, and didn't have anything at all to do with how general CLI programs 
operate.  It also didn't have anything to do with general text editing, or HTML.

> No thanks to SATLUG members.
> 
> I know that SATLUG members ARE NOT a pack of self-absorbed, 
> anal-retentive prima donnas.  Why do so many of you behave that way when 
> someone asks for help?
> 
> I asked for help with the syntax and didn't get a single answer which 
> addressed my question.  I have no objection to learning far more than 
> the answer to my question but I do wish you'd wait until the question is 
> answered before going into "important related issues" and/or the usual 
> intellectual snobbery.

I'm sorry, we're supposed to magically understand everything there is to 
know about all the quirks and weirdnesses of various non-standard programs, 
and which don't actually have anything to do with any of the standard 
features or issues of CLI operation, text editing, or HTML?!?

The recommendations I saw were perfectly reasonable, given the evidence we saw.


In fact, even given what we now know, I would say that the recommendations 
given were a better choice than using this piece-of-crap software, because 
it's clearly acting in a very strange manner and doing all sorts of totally 
unnecessary things with the output, when you really would be much better off 
just putting everything in 
 containers and being done with it.

> Anyone on this list who, like me, is reluctant to ask for help because 
> you don't care to be browbeaten by academic thugs has my personal 
> invitation to join the hllug mailing list.

And if you're bound and determined to go driving off the cliff regardless of 
whatever advice you're given by people who actually do know better, then I'm 
afraid there's likely to be little we can do to help you.

Just because you don't like the advice doesn't mean that the advice is wrong.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Mon Sep 22 16:32:50 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Mon Sep 22 16:30:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
In-Reply-To: <48D7ECA3.3050806@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <200809222132.m8MLWo7A024617@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> And if you're bound and determined to go driving off the cliff regardless of 
> whatever advice you're given by people who actually do know better, then I'm 
> afraid there's likely to be little we can do to help you.
> 
> Just because you don't like the advice doesn't mean that the advice is wrong.

I, too, found the responses insightful and appropriate. Don's reaction was
unfortunate...
I have been using Linux since 1994 (exclusively) and had on occasion had needs
for similar tools, but never used/heard of this program. It's hardly standard CLI
and not a part of standard Linux. Please don't attack people here even if they
can't answer your question directly. 

-b.
From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com  Mon Sep 22 16:56:15 2008
From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan)
Date: Mon Sep 22 16:58:57 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
In-Reply-To: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
References: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D8147F.5050704@futuretechsolutions.com>

The # sign in the cli begins a comment.  Everything after it will be 
ignored.  Your first post never showed the command you typed in that was 
giving you issues, or any output errors.  Alternately you could have 
also either escaped the # sign (\#) in the cli, or enclosed the filename 
in quotes.  The same goes for whitespace in filenames when running from 
the command line, either escape the whitespace, or enclose in quotes.

Quoting cli arguements with special characters or whitespace is barely 
an afterthought for me now.  So unless I see someone doing otherwise, it 
never even registers as a potential problem.

Had we seen the command you were trying to run, it probably would have 
been quickly spotted.  Granted, you would have also been given the "and 
if that doesn't work you could always..." with everyone talking about 
their favorite books and tutorial sites and pointing you towards their 
favorite cli text editor.  The "if that doesn't work..."  stuff would 
not have been because of anal-retentiveness, but because txt2html, 
(while it may be perfectly wonderful at what it does), is obviously not 
a tool commonly used by everyone in these parts, and our desire to give 
you some sort of solution.

Oh, by the way, my favorite html tutorial site is 
http://www.w3schools.com/ and you've heard the rest from everyone else.
(sorry, couldn't help myself :) )

Charlie

Don Crowder wrote:
> This is the proper syntax for the job I was trying accomplish.
> 
> txt2html 101-2008-09-15.txt --extract --lower_case_tags --prebegin 0 
> --preend 0 --outfile text.html
> 
> Thanks to Lee Parmeter on the www.hllug.org email list whose suggestions 
> helped me determine that it was a mistake to include the pound sign 
> ("#") in the name of my text file. Taking the pound sign out of the file 
> name and working my way through the options again, slowly, enabled me to 
> get the desired output after a few trial runs.
> 
> No thanks to SATLUG members.
> 
> I know that SATLUG members ARE NOT a pack of self-absorbed, 
> anal-retentive prima donnas.  Why do so many of you behave that way when 
> someone asks for help?
> 
> I asked for help with the syntax and didn't get a single answer which 
> addressed my question.  I have no objection to learning far more than 
> the answer to my question but I do wish you'd wait until the question is 
> answered before going into "important related issues" and/or the usual 
> intellectual snobbery.
> 
> Anyone on this list who, like me, is reluctant to ask for help because 
> you don't care to be browbeaten by academic thugs has my personal 
> invitation to join the hllug mailing list.
> 
> My apologies to any of you whom I have unjustly offended.
> 
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 17:03:39 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Mon Sep 22 17:04:02 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] A Small World Linux Success Story
In-Reply-To: 
References: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <48D8163B.5040502@gmail.com>

Great things to hear, Justin!  I got around the server issue by using
plain ol' Ubuntu 8.04, but installing most of Python and a big chunk of
Apache on the media server (the Dell).  Truth to tell, my laptop is
still dual-boot with XP, for use in the public domain, but I only really
go there about once a quarter.  The thing lives on my writer's desk,
hums along in Ubuntu, coordinates my network, and is otherwise my
browsin' buddy...

Cheers;
Ed


Justin Burdette wrote:
> About 3 years ago, I had my self-built computer and my father's Dell,
> both running XP. An update pushed to mine one morning and Windows
> crashed. It had been a few months since I'd reinstalled, so I figured
> it was time anyway. By 4 that afternoon, I'd reinstalled XP 5 times
> because it would crash on SP2 installation or when I would install
> antivirus. I finally stopped cussing, went to the other computer, and
> downloaded Mandriva/Mandrake (whatever it was called at the time)
>
> A few hours later, my seemingly dead computer was resurrected and
> running faster than ever before. I eventually gave up on Mandriva
> because I hated getting stuck in dependancy hell every time I wanted
> to install something, but I wasn't going back to Windows. OpenSUSE
> 10.1 was out, and I'd read a bit on it before downloading.I was hooked
> on SUSE after 10 minutes.
>
> The Dell and the homebuilt were combined into one after the
> motherboard finally blew on the homebuilt. My father was forced to
> make the switch too, and he likes it. Since then I've added an IPCop
> firewall, Ubuntu Server 8.04 for a web server (although it's still not
> working right...) and Debian on my old laptop. I do have one XP box
> now, strictly for a couple of games I love that won't run in WINE and
> for testing software I use elsewhere.
>
> The only frustrations I've had recently are the web server and the
> OpenSUSE 11 updater...but I'm still happy with it overall!
>
> Justin
>
> On 9/22/08, ed  wrote:
>   
>> Hey folks;
>>
>> A Small World Linux Success Story...
>>
>> Once upon a time, I had all kinds of questions about how to work in
>> Linux, how to network, how to work the CLI, how to run wireless, and
>> wasn't about to upgrade to Ubuntu 8.04LTS after hearing a number of
>> wireless horror stories.  No more though...  A few months ago, my
>> Windoze server finally crashed for good, and my long-suffering laptop
>> crashed a month later... And, then I decided to swim with Linux rather
>> than sink...
>>
>> I now have three machines (an Acer 3050 Aspire Laptop, a HP Pavillion
>> 531w mini-tower, and a Dell Optiplex GX-100 tower) all on line, all
>> updated to Linux Ubuntu 8.04; a Lexmark z35 printer and HP ScanJet 2300c
>> flatbed  scanner running; and both wired and wireless networking on line
>> - the whole network is now visible from any machine on it.
>>
>> That said, Windoze is finally history in my house, and I'm a lot happier
>> for it.  Any similar stories?
>>
>> Cheers;
>> Ed
>> --
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>>
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>
>
>   

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 17:23:59 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Mon Sep 22 17:24:19 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Success Story
In-Reply-To: <48D81047.6060800@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48D81047.6060800@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48D81AFF.8000801@gmail.com>

Andrew Pickens wrote:
> I, too, am generally happy with 8.04, except that I can't get a
> resolution higher than 800x600.  Because of that, I can't do things
> that require getting to the bottom of the page, e.g. adding an address
> in Thunderbird. I had a good bit of help from SATLUG, but no solution,
> yet.  If you happen to have solved this one, I would appreciate
> hearing from you.
>
> Andy Pickens
>
Hi Andrew;

My machines have lots better resolution that that:  the towers are at
1024x768, and the laptop is at 1280x800, all at 60Hz refresh rate.  All
my video drivers are all wrapped ATI proprietary drivers.  Do you know
what yours are?  Do you know what type of video card/chipset you have. 

With mine, I was able to go into System > Preferences > Screen
Resolution, and tweak in there.  The OS may need to know what kind of
drivers, and what brand of monitor you're using.  My Dell does, as I'm
using an older, legacy Westinghouse 19" flat-panel monitor on that one...

You may also wanna open up your repositories (Synaptic Package Manger)
to both Universe and Multiverse settings, refresh them, and
download/install the restricted drivers applets. 

Hope this helps.  If not, please write back on the list, and I'm sure
some more of the guys can help.  :)

Cheers;
Ed

From j at jvpappas.net  Mon Sep 22 17:58:03 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Mon Sep 22 17:58:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
In-Reply-To: <1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>

Your discussion below includes ZERO redundancy.  RAID 0=No Redundancy.  My
suggestions inline below:

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 13:11, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:
>
> In this particular box I will have 2 320 gig and 2 500 gig drives.  with my
> raid I want it all redundancy, as much
> space as possible and speed.


How does this sound:  Partition up the 500GB disks like so:
SDx1 = 128MB RAID (Linux fd = raid autodetect) Bootable
SDx2 = 6GB RAID (linux fd)
SDx3 = ~174GB RAID (linux fd)
SDx4 = 320GB RAID (linux fd)

Then set up /dev/md0 with RAID 1 (Mirror) with the SDx1 partitions for
/boot, set up /dev/md1 with RAID 1 using SDx2 for SWAP, set up /dev/md3 with
RAID 1 using SDx3 for LVM (LVs: root, var, home), and SDx4 and the SDx1 from
the 320's for a 4 disk RAID 5 Array (/dev/md4) using the 2x 320Gb disks and
2x 320GB Partitions.  Then LVM  That would net ~960GB of protected media
storage and 174GB of protected storage for system and user files.  You could
then set up LVM on md4 to allocate as needed, or just have it be one big
file system (ie /video or the like).


> I know that I cant have it all (i dont have the $$) so I am trying to
> figure out a strategy....I was thinking of
> doing a raid0 of 2x320 = 640 and a raid0 of 2x500 = 1tb then lvm the two
> raid arrays for approximately 1.64 tb.


Using the setup above (Albeit a little complex) you will get both the
performance and protection that you require, within the budget (and existing
equiptment) you have.


> question will the lvm provide any redundancy given the size difference
> between the two raid arrays?


 LVM does not equal redundancy.  Understand that redundancy reduces overall
capacity, as the word redundancy infers.  If you want to protect data, you
must keep EXTRA data (ie overhead).  The lowest redunancy overhead comes
with RAID5, since 1 disk of some number > 3 is used for this protection
data.  IN the case above, it is 25%, which is the best you can achive with
only 4 disks.  If you had 6 disks you would have ~16% overhead (%
overhead=1-(total-1/total))

or would it be more advisable to do 2 raid1 then lvm them to get 840gb?
>

Not to be pedantic, but LVM != Redundancy.  RAID 1 is 50% overhead, since
each block is stored twice.  My suggestion above maximizes flexibility and
protection while minimizing RAID overhead.


> given that this will be a media server I want as much drive space as I
> can get but I don't want to loose all my media should a drive die on me.
>

Agreed.  This accomplishes that.   My setup (SageTV) is:
(long listing)
----------
# fdisk -l /dev/sd?

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xd293022e

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1       60801   488384001   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x41b4d84a

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1       60801   488384001   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdc: 300.0 GB, 300090728448 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xc6ebc6ec

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *           1          17      136521   fd  Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdc2              18         267     2008125   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdc3             268       36483   290905020   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdd: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xbf91de1c

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1               1       60801   488384001   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdi: 300.0 GB, 300090728448 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xc6ebc6eb

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdi1   *           1          17      136521   fd  Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdi2              18         267     2008125   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdi3             268       36483   290905020   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Disk /dev/sdj: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdj1               1       60801   488384001   fd  Linux raid
autodetect

 # cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1] [raid0] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [linear]
md2 : active raid5 sda1[0] sdj1[3] sdb1[2] sdd1[1]
      1465151808 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]

md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdi1[1]
      136448 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active raid1 sdc3[0]
      290904896 blocks [2/1] [U_]
------------

DAMN!  Just noticed my md1 is out of sync!!  Indicated by [2/1][U_].  looks
like sdi3 dropped out.  WIll rebuild!


> thanks for any advice on this topic
>

My pleasure!
jp
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 23:03:13 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Mon Sep 22 23:04:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] A Small World Linux Success Story
In-Reply-To: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>
References: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809222303.13685.jdchoate@gmail.com>


> 
> That said, Windoze is finally history in my house, and I'm a lot happier
> for it.  Any similar stories?
> 
> Cheers;
> Ed


December 31, 2002:
For the first (and only) time in my life I made a New Years resolution and stuck to it. I decided to install Linux and work toward replacing Windows (XP at the time, which I hated). I had used every release of Windows since version 3.0/DOS 4.x, with the exception of NT 3.x/4. My favorite had been Win2k Pro.

For several years I had been wanting a different user interface and had previously experimented with an AfterStep clone for Windows called LiteStep, IBM's OS/2, BeOS, and even Red Hat 6 and Suse 6.4. None of those systems or user interfaces did what I wanted or needed at the time and I couldn't give up Windows for Linux.

But that fateful New Years Eve was what did it for me. I installed Mandrake 9 and was determined to make it work. I found it easy to get online and web browse and do email. I was using dual-channel ISDN, 128k on an external modem connected via ethernet. No special configuration was needed to get online, just a working ethernet adapter.

Next came 3D graphics and games. Within a few days I had nvidia-glx working and quickly got Quake2 and Quake3 working. I knew then I would never use Windows again. Since then I only installed Windows for a short period of time to dual-boot so I could play Guild Wars because running it with Cedega was awful... got sick of that game and deleted Windows again.

Since then, I have used every release of Mandrake/Mandriva. I used to be challenged with the dependencies, but I viewed those challenges as part of the learning curve. Thankfully, urpmi has improved greatly through the years and so has updating the package repositories and installing dependencies. I used to dread updating urpmi because the large databases took a long time to download and update. Now the repositories are quick and easy to update, only downloading the package names and leaving the extra data behind until you query the packages individually.

I am using Mandriva 2008.1 Powerpack on all of my machines. My main desktop is running the 64 bit version and everything works beautifully.
My HP dv9000 series laptop is running the 32 bit version because I had trouble getting the Broadcom wireless chip working in the 64 bit version. My old desktop machine, Athlon XP-2600, is also running the 32 bit version. And my employer gave me (as a bonus perk) an older HP Proliant ML370-G4 Xeon 3.6GHz server which was sitting around unused... I installed the 32 bit version as an experiment... works great, but I have no use for the server.
Lastly, the EeePC 4G has 2008.1 Powerpack installed on an external WD Passport 250G USB drive. It works great, but I wish I had waited for a newer model EeePC with more RAM and a faster CPU.

I have worked for the past year as a contractor for a small network and pc services company. I am the only Linux user among the people I work with and have relied on OpenOffice for all business related work. I have used Linux to recover data from NTFS hard drives which would no longer boot Windows. Also one drive, which refused to mount with Windows, was fixed by forcing a mount in Linux. The data was then copied, and the drive was unmounted properly... allowing Windows to properly mount it again and boot.

I have made it nearly 6 years using Linux and I will never return to an MS system.


John C.
From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu  Tue Sep 23 01:17:28 2008
From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell)
Date: Tue Sep 23 01:17:42 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
Message-ID: <48D889F8.1070609@cis.sac.accd.edu>

>
> From: Charles Hogan 
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
> 	
> Message-ID: <48D8147F.5050704@futuretechsolutions.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The # sign in the cli begins a comment.  Everything after it will be 
> ignored.  Your first post never showed the command you typed in that was 
> giving you issues, or any output errors.  Alternately you could have 
> also either escaped the # sign (\#) in the cli, or enclosed the filename 
> in quotes.  The same goes for whitespace in filenames when running from 
> the command line, either escape the whitespace, or enclose in quotes.
>
> Quoting cli arguements with special characters or whitespace is barely 
> an afterthought for me now.  So unless I see someone doing otherwise, it 
> never even registers as a potential problem.
>
> Had we seen the command you were trying to run, it probably would have 
> been quickly spotted.  Granted, you would have also been given the "and 
> if that doesn't work you could always..." with everyone talking about 
> their favorite books and tutorial sites and pointing you towards their 
> favorite cli text editor.  The "if that doesn't work..."  stuff would 
> not have been because of anal-retentiveness, but because txt2html, 
> (while it may be perfectly wonderful at what it does), is obviously not 
> a tool commonly used by everyone in these parts, and our desire to give 
> you some sort of solution.
>
> Oh, by the way, my favorite html tutorial site is 
> http://www.w3schools.com/ and you've heard the rest from everyone else.
> (sorry, couldn't help myself  :)  )
>
> Charlie
>   
AWESOME site, best item from the whole thread THANK YOU THANK YOU

Boz

-- 
Glenn Boswell "Boz"      gboswell@mail.accd.edu
gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related}
San Antonio College  Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866

Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget!

"We make a living by what we Get.
 We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 03:05:11 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Sep 23 03:05:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] A Small World Linux Success Story
In-Reply-To: <200809222303.13685.jdchoate@gmail.com>
References: <48D75E45.10909@gmail.com> <200809222303.13685.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D8A337.1020306@gmail.com>

John D Choate wrote:
>> That said, Windoze is finally history in my house, and I'm a lot happier
>> for it.  Any similar stories?
>>
>> Cheers;
>> Ed
>>     
>
>
> December 31, 2002:
> For the first (and only) time in my life I made a New Years resolution and stuck to it. I decided to install Linux and work toward replacing Windows (XP at the time, which I hated). I had used every release of Windows since version 3.0/DOS 4.x, with the exception of NT 3.x/4. My favorite had been Win2k Pro.
>   
Ach...  I actually kinda liked WinNT4.  Having done DOS since 2.3 (and
having run a BBS from DOS 3.2 - 6.22), doing legacy adapter installs and
setting system resources manually was no issue.  I also liked NT4's
power and stability at the time. I learned lots about how to manage
resources in a GUI environment.  The one I never liked was W95.  I
always thought it clunkier and more anal retentive even than Win 3.1 set
to auto boot...   At home, I went DOS, W95, (skipped '98), NT4, 2000,
XP, then Ubuntu; and NT3.5, NT4, 2000, XP at work; and am now dealing
with Vista in an educational environment.  I've yet to find a more s*ck
*ss OS on the planet...
> For several years I had been wanting a different user interface and had previously experimented with an AfterStep clone for Windows called LiteStep, IBM's OS/2, BeOS, and even Red Hat 6 and Suse 6.4. None of those systems or user interfaces did what I wanted or needed at the time and I couldn't give up Windows for Linux.
>   
Those are the reasons I jumped when Ubuntu came by.  I'd played with a
few distros, mainly on other folks' machines, and never really felt
comfortable with them.  With Ubu, even the terminal/CLI is approachable
-- I've definitely had to use it enough...
> But that fateful New Years Eve was what did it for me. I installed Mandrake 9 and was determined to make it work. I found it easy to get online and web browse and do email. I was using dual-channel ISDN, 128k on an external modem connected via ethernet. No special configuration was needed to get online, just a working ethernet adapter.
>   
I started actively playing with Lindows Live 4.5 (now Linspire) in early
2003...
> Next came 3D graphics and games. Within a few days I had nvidia-glx working and quickly got Quake2 and Quake3 working. I knew then I would never use Windows again. Since then I only installed Windows for a short period of time to dual-boot so I could play Guild Wars because running it with Cedega was awful... got sick of that game and deleted Windows again.
>   
My trip-up was Second Life.  Didn't matter whether Windoze or Linux, its
a definite resource hog... Hadda let it go...  Don't even wanna think
about Eve Online...
> Since then, I have used every release of Mandrake/Mandriva. I used to be challenged with the dependencies, but I viewed those challenges as part of the learning curve. Thankfully, urpmi has improved greatly through the years and so has updating the package repositories and installing dependencies. I used to dread updating urpmi because the large databases took a long time to download and update. Now the repositories are quick and easy to update, only downloading the package names and leaving the extra data behind until you query the packages individually.
>
> I am using Mandriva 2008.1 Powerpack on all of my machines. My main desktop is running the 64 bit version and everything works beautifully.
>   
I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 standard (32bit) on all of mine, though with
several Python and Apache enhancements on two of them...
> My HP dv9000 series laptop is running the 32 bit version because I had trouble getting the Broadcom wireless chip working in the 64 bit version. My old desktop machine, Athlon XP-2600, is also running the 32 bit version. And my employer gave me (as a bonus perk) an older HP Proliant ML370-G4 Xeon 3.6GHz server which was sitting around unused... I installed the 32 bit version as an experiment... works great, but I have no use for the server.
> Lastly, the EeePC 4G has 2008.1 Powerpack installed on an external WD Passport 250G USB drive. It works great, but I wish I had waited for a newer model EeePC with more RAM and a faster CPU.
>
> I have worked for the past year as a contractor for a small network and pc services company. I am the only Linux user among the people I work with and have relied on OpenOffice for all business related work. I have used Linux to recover data from NTFS hard drives which would no longer boot Windows. Also one drive, which refused to mount with Windows, was fixed by forcing a mount in Linux. The data was then copied, and the drive was unmounted properly... allowing Windows to properly mount it again and boot.
>   
I use a Knoppix Live disk in situations like that - comes equipped with
almost everything...
> I have made it nearly 6 years using Linux and I will never return to an MS system.
>   
Three years on my laptop, and this year on everything else, but the
future looks amazingly bright...  :)

Cheers;
Ed
>
> John C.
>   

From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Tue Sep 23 07:14:29 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Tue Sep 23 07:14:30 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 17:58 -0500, John Pappas wrote:
> Your discussion below includes ZERO redundancy.  RAID 0=No Redundancy.  My
> suggestions inline below:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 13:11, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:
> >
> > In this particular box I will have 2 320 gig and 2 500 gig drives.  with my
> > raid I want it all redundancy, as much
> > space as possible and speed.
> 
> 
> How does this sound:  Partition up the 500GB disks like so:
> SDx1 = 128MB RAID (Linux fd = raid autodetect) Bootable
> SDx2 = 6GB RAID (linux fd)
> SDx3 = ~174GB RAID (linux fd)
> SDx4 = 320GB RAID (linux fd)
> 
> Then set up /dev/md0 with RAID 1 (Mirror) with the SDx1 partitions for
> /boot, set up /dev/md1 with RAID 1 using SDx2 for SWAP, set up /dev/md3 with
> RAID 1 using SDx3 for LVM (LVs: root, var, home), and SDx4 and the SDx1 from
> the 320's for a 4 disk RAID 5 Array (/dev/md4) using the 2x 320Gb disks and
> 2x 320GB Partitions.  Then LVM  That would net ~960GB of protected media
> storage and 174GB of protected storage for system and user files.  You could
> then set up LVM on md4 to allocate as needed, or just have it be one big
> file system (ie /video or the like).
> 
> 
> > I know that I cant have it all (i dont have the $$) so I am trying to
> > figure out a strategy....I was thinking of
> > doing a raid0 of 2x320 = 640 and a raid0 of 2x500 = 1tb then lvm the two
> > raid arrays for approximately 1.64 tb.

I thought of something like this but was warry.  I seem to remember a
discussion on this topic a while back that trongly discouraged setting
up multiple raids on the same drives.  Are there any particular worries
that I need be aware of?  I know that if I have a failure of one of the
500 GB drives getting it replaced will be real complicated.  Are there
strategies for addressing this now so as to make my life easier then?

Todd

From j at jvpappas.net  Tue Sep 23 09:46:56 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Tue Sep 23 09:46:58 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
In-Reply-To: <1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:14, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 17:58 -0500, John Pappas wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 13:11, Todd W. Bucy 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > In this particular box I will have 2 320 gig and 2 500 gig drives.
>  with my
> > > raid I want it all redundancy, as much
> > > space as possible and speed.
> >
> > How does this sound:  Partition up the 500GB disks like so:
> > SDx1 = 128MB RAID (Linux fd = raid autodetect) Bootable
> > SDx2 = 6GB RAID (linux fd)
> > SDx3 = ~174GB RAID (linux fd)
> > SDx4 = 320GB RAID (linux fd)
> >
> <
> >
>
> I thought of something like this but was warry.  I seem to remember a
> discussion on this topic a while back that trongly discouraged setting
> up multiple raids on the same drives.  Are there any particular worries
> that I need be aware of?


If this were a server hosting more than a household, "best practice" would
suggest to split RAID types on different raidsets, and there would be $$ to
support it.  In this case, the I/O loads are not going to be such that it
will matter.  With another drive (a 500 probably) you could do a RAID 5, get
1TB and have 33% overhead, and use the 320's for the OS mirror


> I know that if I have a failure of one of the 500 GB drives getting it
> replaced will be real complicated.  Are there
> strategies for addressing this now so as to make my life easier then?


In that case, you simply replace, repartition the replacement (Use the good
one to match partitioning) and run a couple commands (maybe not at the same
time, as the multiple rebuilds are I/O heavy).  You may have to manually
fail the partitions, but in the case of a real failure, that will be usually
taken care of by the system, so all of them will be 1/2 or 3/4, so you will
need to run the following to add the replacements and initiate rebuild:
`mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdx1`
`mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sdx2`
`mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sdx3`
`mdadm /dev/md3 -a /dev/sdx4`
Run `cat /proc/mdstat` to monitor progress.

Not too hard, right?

HTH,
jp
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Tue Sep 23 10:04:32 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Tue Sep 23 10:04:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1222182272.6518.8.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>

On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:46 -0500, John Pappas wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:14, Todd W. Bucy  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 17:58 -0500, John Pappas wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 13:11, Todd W. Bucy 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In this particular box I will have 2 320 gig and 2 500 gig drives.
> >  with my
> > > > raid I want it all redundancy, as much
> > > > space as possible and speed.
> > >
> > > How does this sound:  Partition up the 500GB disks like so:
> > > SDx1 = 128MB RAID (Linux fd = raid autodetect) Bootable
> > > SDx2 = 6GB RAID (linux fd)
> > > SDx3 = ~174GB RAID (linux fd)
> > > SDx4 = 320GB RAID (linux fd)
> > >
> > <
> > >
> >
> > I thought of something like this but was warry.  I seem to remember a
> > discussion on this topic a while back that trongly discouraged setting
> > up multiple raids on the same drives.  Are there any particular worries
> > that I need be aware of?
> 
> 
> If this were a server hosting more than a household, "best practice" would
> suggest to split RAID types on different raidsets, and there would be $$ to
> support it.  In this case, the I/O loads are not going to be such that it
> will matter.  With another drive (a 500 probably) you could do a RAID 5, get
> 1TB and have 33% overhead, and use the 320's for the OS mirror
> 
> 
> > I know that if I have a failure of one of the 500 GB drives getting it
> > replaced will be real complicated.  Are there
> > strategies for addressing this now so as to make my life easier then?
> 
> 
> In that case, you simply replace, repartition the replacement (Use the good
> one to match partitioning) and run a couple commands (maybe not at the same
> time, as the multiple rebuilds are I/O heavy).  You may have to manually
> fail the partitions, but in the case of a real failure, that will be usually
> taken care of by the system, so all of them will be 1/2 or 3/4, so you will
> need to run the following to add the replacements and initiate rebuild:
> `mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdx1`
> `mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sdx2`
> `mdadm /dev/md2 -a /dev/sdx3`
> `mdadm /dev/md3 -a /dev/sdx4`
> Run `cat /proc/mdstat` to monitor progress.
> 
> Not too hard, right?
> 
> HTH,
> jp

thanks alot, I will file this email in my emergency folder for future
reference. 

Thanks 
Todd

From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us  Tue Sep 23 14:37:47 2008
From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst)
Date: Tue Sep 23 14:38:09 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] CLI issue resolved
In-Reply-To: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
References: <48D73A40.4060803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D8FF39.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>

OH! You mean you wanted help with the *"txt2html"* utility? Why didn't you say that?

>>> Don Crowder  09/22/2008 01:25 >>>
This is the proper syntax for the job I was trying accomplish.

txt2html 101-2008-09-15.txt --extract --lower_case_tags --prebegin 0 
--preend 0 --outfile text.html

Thanks to Lee Parmeter on the www.hllug.org email list whose suggestions 
helped me determine that it was a mistake to include the pound sign 
("#") in the name of my text file. Taking the pound sign out of the file 
name and working my way through the options again, slowly, enabled me to 
get the desired output after a few trial runs.

No thanks to SATLUG members.

I know that SATLUG members ARE NOT a pack of self-absorbed, 
anal-retentive prima donnas.  Why do so many of you behave that way when 
someone asks for help?

I asked for help with the syntax and didn't get a single answer which 
addressed my question.  I have no objection to learning far more than 
the answer to my question but I do wish you'd wait until the question is 
answered before going into "important related issues" and/or the usual 
intellectual snobbery.

Anyone on this list who, like me, is reluctant to ask for help because 
you don't care to be browbeaten by academic thugs has my personal 
invitation to join the hllug mailing list.

My apologies to any of you whom I have unjustly offended.

From satlug at net153.net  Tue Sep 23 14:58:26 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Tue Sep 23 14:58:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Ruby on Rails Developer Needed
Message-ID: <48D94A62.1050203@net153.net>

I am wondering if anyone is interested in a part time/contract job offer 
to help with a ruby on rails project for a small company in San Antonio. 
  You can work from home but being able to come in for occasional 
meetings is a plus.


Needed:
Linux experience.
Ruby on Rails
Ajax
Javascript

Preferred:
Asterisk
Threading experience
Network socket programming in Ruby (TCP client/server custom protocol)

If interested, please reply off list.

Thank you,
Sam
From dkowis at shlrm.org  Tue Sep 23 18:15:55 2008
From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis)
Date: Tue Sep 23 18:15:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Ruby on Rails Developer Needed
In-Reply-To: <48D94A62.1050203@net153.net>
References: <48D94A62.1050203@net153.net>
Message-ID: <48D978AB.7060200@shlrm.org>

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Samuel Leon wrote:
| I am wondering if anyone is interested in a part time/contract job offer
| to help with a ruby on rails project for a small company in San Antonio.
|  You can work from home but being able to come in for occasional
| meetings is a plus.
|
|
| Needed:
| Linux experience.
| Ruby on Rails
| Ajax
| Javascript
|
| Preferred:
| Asterisk
| Threading experience
| Network socket programming in Ruby (TCP client/server custom protocol)
|
| If interested, please reply off list.

Nice. Too bad I'm a n00b at ruby/rails :)

I've tinkered with Asterisk, and I know how to do threading.

Just practicing my off topic threading skillz. 

- --
David Kowis

www.ronpaul2008.com - Ron Paul for President!
www.sourcemage.org  - SourceMage GNU/Linux
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From sean.crandall at ieee.org  Wed Sep 24 09:35:16 2008
From: sean.crandall at ieee.org (Sean Crandall)
Date: Wed Sep 24 09:36:31 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] gpg Recover misspelled password
Message-ID: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org>

I have some sensitive files that I dutifully keep encrypted on my hard 
disk with gpg using a long pass phrase.  Unfortunately, the last time I 
encrypted it, I somehow managed to misspell the pass phrase, and type it 
that way twice.  I've tried the variations I could think of, but so far 
no luck.  Is anybody aware of a good utility that can rapidly run 
permutations on a known pass phrase to guess the right one (preferably 
one that I can get without visiting the shady back alleys of the internet)?

-- 
Sean Crandall---Registered Patent Attorney No. 57,776.  This e-mail does 
not constitute legal advice on any matter and is not endorsed by Jackson 
Walker LLP or its partners.  Any comments are the sole non-legal opinion 
of the author.  Do not rely on this e-mail for any reason.  Yes, my firm 
really does require me to say all this because lawyers are about the 
only people you can still sue in Texas.

From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us  Wed Sep 24 10:48:46 2008
From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst)
Date: Wed Sep 24 10:48:59 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org>
Message-ID: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>

I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?

From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 11:04:46 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Sep 24 11:04:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
 wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?

CPU:
cat /proc/cpuinfo

Controllers/PCI bus:
lspci -v



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Wed Sep 24 11:57:00 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Wed Sep 24 11:57:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
Message-ID: <7e9c4b6e43324c64b75402e0fec32764.scs@worldlinkisp.com>

>------- Original Message -------
 >I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems.

>What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu,

>memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the
noise
> (better too >much than too little information at data collection!).
---------------------------------
Take a look at "  lshw "



From hc at lookcee.com  Wed Sep 24 12:54:30 2008
From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee)
Date: Wed Sep 24 12:53:23 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <48DA7ED6.7030605@lookcee.com>

Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>
>   
Others have given you the utilities under most Linux distros that 
provide you all that can be determined of the present detected hardware 
when run from a CLI.

I am to noob to be of much help but the cheapest supplier, and I do not 
mind recommending them from personal experience with couple dozen CDs, I 
have found for Linux CD/DVDs is:
http://www.discountlinuxdvd.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4
You can find brief info on the offered distro and if it is bootable. I 
use Ubuntu desktop edition CD, also Puppy, Knoppix, they are bootable. 
Of course there are dozens of others. You can choose what distro you 
prefer and go to that site to DL and burn your own or order for the 
price of a beer.

Discount just offered a rescue CD for .89 and I just ordered it to play 
with. Anyway good luck
herb
From edcoates at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 13:16:39 2008
From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates)
Date: Wed Sep 24 13:16:42 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <8ee65edd0809241116s712f3395s73db4f5f2e38ae01@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
 wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>
Definitely install lshw if you don't have it installed already.  With
no switches, it will give you more than enough information, and you
can even have it output in html or xml.  Read the manpage because
there's also a few other useful switches.

Ed
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Wed Sep 24 13:26:39 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Wed Sep 24 13:26:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Mann  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
>  wrote:
>> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>

lshw -short

http://ezix.org/project/wiki/HardwareLiSter

It produces an output like HPUX's ioscan with the short option.  I
have to alias that here at work to the ioscan on the Linux machines so
the HPUX admins don't get confused.  Also if anyone has a ton of HPUX
experience they are currently hiring a senior HPUX/Linux sys admin
(yeah shameless plug).

Output looks like such:
H/W path       Device    Class      Description
===============================================
                    system     ProLiant BL465c G1
/0                       bus        Motherboard
/0/0                     memory     64KB BIOS
/0/400                   processor  Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2220
/0/400/710               memory     64KB L1 cache
/0/400/720               memory     1MB L2 cache
/0/401                   processor  Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2220
/0/401/711               memory     64KB L1 cache
/0/401/721               memory     1MB L2 cache
/0/1000                  memory     16GB System Memory
/0/1000/0                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/1                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/2                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/3                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/4                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/5                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/6                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/1000/7                memory     2GB DIMM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)
/0/3                     display    ES1000
/0/4                     system     Integrated Lights Out Controller
/0/4.2                   system     Integrated Lights Out  Processor
/0/4.4                   bus        Hewlett-Packard Company
/0/4.4/1       usb4      bus        UHCI Host Controller
/0/4.4/1/1               input      Virtual Keyboard
/0/4.4/1/2               bus        Virtual Hub
/0/4.6                   bus        Hewlett-Packard Company
/0/5                     bridge     BCM5785 [HT1000] PCI/PCI-X Bridge
/0/5/d                   bridge     BCM5785 [HT1000] PCI/PCI-X Bridge
/0/5/d/3       eth0      network    NetXtreme II BCM5706S Gigabit Ethernet
/0/5/d/4       eth1      network    NetXtreme II BCM5706S Gigabit Ethernet
/0/100                   bridge     BCM5785 [HT1000] Legacy South Bridge
/0/100/6.2               bridge     BCM5785 [HT1000] LPC
/0/100/7                 bus        BCM5785 [HT1000] USB
/0/100/7/1     usb2      bus        OHCI Host Controller
/0/100/7.1               bus        BCM5785 [HT1000] USB
/0/100/7.1/1   usb3      bus        OHCI Host Controller
/0/100/7.2               bus        BCM5785 [HT1000] USB
/0/100/7.2/1   usb1      bus        EHCI Host Controller
/0/101                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
/0/102                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
/0/103                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
/0/104                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
/0/105                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
/0/106                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
/0/107                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
/0/108                   bridge     K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
/0/f                     bridge     HT2100 PCI-Express Bridge
/0/10                    bridge     HT2100 PCI-Express Bridge
/0/10/0        scsi0     bus        ISP2432-based 4Gb Fibre Channel to
PCI Express HBA
/0/10/0/0.0.0            generic    HSV210
/0/10/0/0.0.1  /dev/sda  disk       100GB HSV210
/0/10/0/0.1.0            generic    HSV210
/0/10/0/0.1.1  /dev/sdb  disk       100GB HSV210
/0/10/0/0.2.0            generic    HSV210
/0/10/0/0.2.1  /dev/sdc  disk       100GB HSV210
/0/10/0/0.3.0            generic    HSV210
/0/10/0/0.3.1  /dev/sdd  disk       100GB HSV210
/0/10/0.1      scsi1     bus        ISP2432-based 4Gb Fibre Channel to
PCI Express HBA
/0/11                    bridge     HT2100 PCI-Express Bridge
/0/11/0                  bridge     EPB PCI-Express to PCI-X Bridge
/0/11/0/4                bridge     BCM5785 [HT1000] PCI/PCI-X Bridge
/0/11/0/8                storage    Smart Array E200i (SAS Controller)
/0/12                    bridge     HT2100 PCI-Express Bridge
/0/13                    bridge     HT2100 PCI-Express Bridge
From hc at lookcee.com  Wed Sep 24 13:44:38 2008
From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee)
Date: Wed Sep 24 13:43:12 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org>
	<48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>

Sean I wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Mann  wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
>>  wrote:
>>     
>>> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>>>       
>
> lshw -short
>
> http://ezix.org/project/wiki/HardwareLiSter
>
> It produces an output like HPUX's ioscan with the short option.  I
> have to alias that here at work to the ioscan on the Linux machines so
> the HPUX admins don't get confused.  Also if anyone has a ton of HPUX
> experience they are currently hiring a senior HPUX/Linux sys admin
> (yeah shameless plug).
>
> Output looks like such:
> H/W path       Device    Class      Description
> ===============================================
Thanks Sean, I had to use 'sudo lshw -short' in Ubuntu 8.04. Gotta say 
cool mobo bro.
herb
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 13:58:52 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Wed Sep 24 13:55:43 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <200809241358.53609.jdchoate@mcn.org>

On Wednesday 24 September 2008 10:48:46 Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of
> systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the
> hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is
> usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little
> information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?


sudo lshw -html > lshw.html

This will produce an .html file in the current directory with all of the info 
from lshw, saving the trouble of copying and pasting the output manuaally.
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 14:07:03 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Wed Sep 24 14:07:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <48DA8FD7.8030509@gmail.com>

Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>
>   
Do a Google on Trinity Resource Kit (TRK) - a Linux-based evaluation and
recovery tool.  Its a bootable image you can download free.  I use it
back-to-back with a Knoppix Live disk to troubleshoot both Linux and
Windoze systems. (Also, get the StumbleUpon toolbar for Firefox, and
just once, set the parameters to seek only Linux.  You might be
surprised to see what you can find.  I got TRK that way...)

Cheers;
Ed

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 14:25:51 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Wed Sep 24 14:26:01 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0809241116s712f3395s73db4f5f2e38ae01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<8ee65edd0809241116s712f3395s73db4f5f2e38ae01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48DA943F.40205@gmail.com>

Ed Coates wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
>  wrote:
>   
>> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>>
>>     
> Definitely install lshw if you don't have it installed already.  With
> no switches, it will give you more than enough information, and you
> can even have it output in html or xml.  Read the manpage because
> there's also a few other useful switches.
>
> Ed
>   
lshw might be ok if the user/tech can boot the system.  What it he
can't?  Then, he'd still need some kind of Live or bootable disk that
contained lshw, or something like it...

Cheers;
Ed

From wwalker at bybent.com  Wed Sep 24 12:50:13 2008
From: wwalker at bybent.com (Wayne Walker)
Date: Wed Sep 24 16:23:38 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20080924175013.GA14419@bybent.com>

Bootable CD of some linus, run

dmidecode
cat /proc/cpuinfo
cat /proc/partitions
cat /proc/meminfo

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48:46AM -0500, Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
> 
> -- 
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Sep 24 16:34:20 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Sep 24 16:31:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls 
Message-ID: <200809242134.m8OLYKTr012130@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Has anyone tried this?

http://www.lowratevoip.com

The other day when I was in England I was able to use someone's cell phone for 
free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in GB).
It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the 
destinate call was to the US).

-b.
From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Wed Sep 24 18:33:30 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Wed Sep 24 18:33:34 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
Message-ID: <94ddeef5acf94ad6ba2b9dfe459d8702.scs@worldlinkisp.com>


>The other day when I was in England I was able to use someone's cell phone for 
>free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in GB).
>It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
>and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
>not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
>was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the 
>destinate call was to the US).
----------------------------------
Believe it's a Swiss web company with a funny name.  Saw a short blurb
on it about 3~4 months back, let me see if I can dredge it up.

Lou


From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Wed Sep 24 18:52:21 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Wed Sep 24 18:52:24 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
Message-ID: <4a91fc5909094b78af1f5ce1e535ec75.scs@worldlinkisp.com>


>>free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in GB).
>>It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
>>and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
>>not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
>>was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the 
>>destinate call was to the US).
----------------------------------
>Believe it's a Swiss web company with a funny name.  Saw a short blurb
>on it about 3~4 months back, let me see if I can dredge it up.
----------------------------------
Borries take a look at   "  jajah.com  "  not sure if this is it, but it's the one
I mentioned.

Lou 


From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 19:15:28 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Sep 24 19:15:30 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
In-Reply-To: <200809242134.m8OLYKTr012130@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200809242134.m8OLYKTr012130@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0809241715y77172efey6e14774cd848f446@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to call you but it required an International number ;)

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Borries Demeler
 wrote:
> Has anyone tried this?
>
> http://www.lowratevoip.com
>
> The other day when I was in England I was able to use someone's cell phone for
> free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in GB).
> It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
> and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
> not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
> was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the
> destinate call was to the US).
>
> -b.
> --
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Phone: (210) 567-2672
From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 24 20:28:27 2008
From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS)
Date: Wed Sep 24 20:28:30 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
In-Reply-To: <200809242134.m8OLYKTr012130@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <138977.6443.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Borries, 
? Try this for a web site comparable to the one you listed. It is here in the US. I heard about it when I was in Singapore.
?
www.skype.com
?
Dennis


--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Borries Demeler  wrote:

From: Borries Demeler 
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
To: "Satlug Mailing List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 4:34 PM

Has anyone tried this?

http://www.lowratevoip.com

The other day when I was in England I was able to use someone's cell phone
for 
free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in
GB).
It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the 
destinate call was to the US).

-b.
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From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 20:51:54 2008
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Wed Sep 24 20:51:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <20080924175013.GA14419@bybent.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<20080924175013.GA14419@bybent.com>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0809241851g45c190adm4efe886dee10a117@mail.gmail.com>

This is pretty much what I used for SB hardware inspection .. I think
I had some smartctl stuff too.  There is a lot of information
available through sysfs on moderne systems as well.

-Henry




On 9/24/08, Wayne Walker  wrote:
> Bootable CD of some linus, run
>
> dmidecode
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> cat /proc/partitions
> cat /proc/meminfo
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48:46AM -0500, Jim Parkhurst wrote:
>> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of
>> systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the
>> hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is
>> usable as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little
>> information at data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>
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>
> Wayne Walker
>
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Sep 24 21:26:35 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Sep 24 21:23:29 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] free phone calls
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0809241715y77172efey6e14774cd848f446@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809250226.m8P2QZNl009741@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> I tried to call you but it required an International number ;)

just add 001 (US country code) in front of the area code and it works.

-b.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Borries Demeler
>  wrote:
> > Has anyone tried this?
> >
> > http://www.lowratevoip.com
> >
> > The other day when I was in England I was able to use someone's cell phone for
> > free with this service to call the US, (my Verizon phone didn't work in GB).
> > It sounds too good to be true, but maybe it is - you can enter the source
> > and destination number on the website and get connected for free. I am still
> > not quite sure how it works, someone just showed it to me and he insisted there
> > was no charge to this cell phone (the cell phone was from Scotland, the
> > destinate call was to the US).
> >
> > -b.
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > SATLUG mailing list
> > SATLUG@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe
> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeremy Mann
> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu
> 
> University of Texas Health Science Center
> Bioinformatics Core Facility
> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
> Phone: (210) 567-2672
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From j at jvpappas.net  Thu Sep 25 08:26:01 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Thu Sep 25 08:26:02 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809250626r7f059f88ja4a65443cc7cfcc6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 13:44, herb cee  wrote:

> Sean I wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Mann 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jim Parkhurst
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a challenge to obtain the hardware and software configuration of
>>>> systems. What I am looking for is a tool/utility to probe and report the
>>>> hardware - cpu, memory, drives, controllers, etc. A "dump to file" is usable
>>>> as I can filter the noise (better too much than too little information at
>>>> data collection!). Something in a bootable CD flavor?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> It produces an output like HPUX's ioscan with the short option.
>>
>> Output looks like such:
>> H/W path       Device    Class      Description
>> ===============================================
>>
> Thanks Sean, I had to use 'sudo lshw -short' in Ubuntu 8.04. Gotta say cool
> mobo bro.
> herb


Yeah the HP BL465c is a fantastic blade platform.  Just out of curiosity,
which interconnect are you guys using with it?  Most of my customers have
the Virtual Connect option installed, rather than Chassis switch or
pass-through.

jp
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Thu Sep 25 09:30:31 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Thu Sep 25 09:30:33 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809250626r7f059f88ja4a65443cc7cfcc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>
	<4c0ec4450809250626r7f059f88ja4a65443cc7cfcc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00809250730s70eb029bh56689d0fc4a73880@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Yeah the HP BL465c is a fantastic blade platform.  Just out of curiosity,
> which interconnect are you guys using with it?  Most of my customers have
> the Virtual Connect option installed, rather than Chassis switch or
> pass-through.
>
> jp
> --

We have pass-through for the networking and fiber connects, one of the
remote sites has the brocade for the fiber.  The HP guys told us to
get the Virtual Connects, but of course management does not want to
spend the extra money, it would sure beat the 16 Network connects we
have now.  The 465c is a pretty nice blade, most we have are the 460c
for the quad cores.  They make great XEN hosts.  The windows guys have
10 of them, I hooked them up with RHEL5 and XEN and they have switched
from vmware to XEN for their virtualization needs, one box is hosting
12 winblows workstations with no problems.....yeah the windows guys
running on a linux box, makes me laugh deep down in side.......of
course that is 10 more boxes I have to maintain ;(

Sean
From j at jvpappas.net  Thu Sep 25 14:19:35 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Thu Sep 25 14:19:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00809250730s70eb029bh56689d0fc4a73880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>
	<4c0ec4450809250626r7f059f88ja4a65443cc7cfcc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809250730s70eb029bh56689d0fc4a73880@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809251219u435d2933v63b4d3e5808dc0f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:30, Sean I  wrote:

> >
> > Yeah the HP BL465c is a fantastic blade platform.  Just out of curiosity,
> > which interconnect are you guys using with it?  Most of my customers have
> > the Virtual Connect option installed, rather than Chassis switch or
> > pass-through.
>
> We have pass-through for the networking and fiber connects, one of the
> remote sites has the brocade for the fiber.


Ouch.  Pass through does not help blade replacement/movement nor cable
management, but is a little bit of a learning curve and of course the
not-quite-clear "what's the point?" question.  Once it "clicks" it really is
worth the money, especially in a "heavily agile" environment where workloads
and hosts tend to be more migratory.  In a fairly static environment, the VC
does not help as much.  Where it really helps is in the SAN zoning by
minimizing the possibility of mistakes by allowing for WWN movement.


> The HP guys told us to get the Virtual Connects, but of course management
> does not want to
> spend the extra money, it would sure beat the 16 Network connects we have
> now.


Initially, I viewed it as an unnecessary upsell, but once I got on one and
the point "clicked", it makes a great deal of sense.  Given that most
environment's IT HR infrastructure far exceeds the actual IT
(hardware/software) costs are not so "important" and the couple 1000
investment on the VC amortized accross the 3-4 year life of the system
coupled with the reduced HR impact from management of the system is where
the VC really shines.

The 465c is a pretty nice blade, most we have are the 460c
> for the quad cores.  They make great XEN hosts.  The windows guys have
> 10 of them, I hooked them up with RHEL5 and XEN and they have switched
> from vmware to XEN for their virtualization needs, one box is hosting
> 12 winblows workstations with no problems.....yeah the windows guys
> running on a linux box, makes me laugh deep down in side.......of
> course that is 10 more boxes I have to maintain ;(


XEN is certainly cheaper than VMWare, but what admin impact did the change
make?  Was a centralized VM managament infrastucture in place (vRanger,
VMVC, etc?).  WHat type of training/OJT did the admins go through with the
conversion?  How many admins had to adjust to the VMWare->XEN change?

Thanks!
John
From mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 16:46:46 2008
From: mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com (Bamse)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:46:52 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Parallel port problem with OpenCBM...
Message-ID: <48DC06C6.5090509@satx.rr.com>

Howdy...

I'm trying to install OpenCBM 0.4.2a on Ubuntu 8.0.4...
I followed the instruction on this page pretty much line by line..
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500905

The install went fine but the last command seem to cause problems,

sudo depmod
sudo modprobe parport
sudo rmmod lp
sudo modprobe cbm


bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$ sudo modprobe cbm lp=0
FATAL: Error inserting cbm 
(/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/cbm.ko): No such device
bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$

To troubleshoot I typed dmesg and got the following at the end,
[ 6014.341506] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 0
[ 6060.762850] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 1
[ 6063.103631] cbm_init: non-existant port: 2
bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$

Looks like I have two parallel ports installed but they do not have an 
irq configured...
Anyone knows how to configure the ports to use interrupts ?

Please keep in mind that I'm a beginner so be patient with me...

/Fredrik

From siffland at nerdshack.com  Thu Sep 25 16:55:32 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Thu Sep 25 16:55:34 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware configuration information
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450809251219u435d2933v63b4d3e5808dc0f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DA5024.7030402@ieee.org> <48DA1B0E.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<79ec289f0809240904p22658c02pb518e96d065e0a66@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809241126s5d98dffbn973702152903bc3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48DA8A95.40103@lookcee.com>
	<4c0ec4450809250626r7f059f88ja4a65443cc7cfcc6@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae131d00809250730s70eb029bh56689d0fc4a73880@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c0ec4450809251219u435d2933v63b4d3e5808dc0f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00809251455w1e18d8e0l2c4e0ffcd2c7eb2f@mail.gmail.com>

> Given that most
> environment's IT HR infrastructure far exceeds the actual IT
> (hardware/software) costs are not so "important" and the couple 1000
> investment on the VC amortized accross the 3-4 year life of the system
> coupled with the reduced HR impact from management of the system is where
> the VC really shines.
>

Yeah we are on a DoD contract and they really can be stingy at times.
I don't really understand the managers received Dell XPS notebooks for
their personal use but we cant get them to purchase for drive licenses
so we can back up our weekly 22TB of data across more drives.....

>
>
> XEN is certainly cheaper than VMWare, but what admin impact did the change
> make?  Was a centralized VM managament infrastucture in place (vRanger,
> VMVC, etc?).  WHat type of training/OJT did the admins go through with the
> conversion?  How many admins had to adjust to the VMWare->XEN change?
>
> Thanks!
> John

The impact was extremely minimal believe it or not, now we are test
and development here and manage the production system remotely.
Production cannot be on virtual systems, nPar's on HP systems are as
close as we can get.  I already had a few environments with linux
guests and one of the windows guys was saying how sluggish he thought
vmware was.  So we tried XEN out with windows and it was a lot more
responsive on the same hardware.  I am unsure what they used for
centralized management with Vmware, we are separate from the windows
admins, but i know they did administer them from a single application.
 Only OJT they received about Linux was what i taught them (scary,
they only get sudo for a few apps on teh command line), currently they
are using virt-manager to manage their systems and are looking for a
better server/client based tool (we cannot have web servers running on
the network so web based tools are out).  The windows guys have 4 guys
who had to adjust to the vmware/XEN change and one knows how to
install windows on the XEN instance and is showing the rest but beyond
that they just remote desktop into them and use the same as they did
the Vmware ones.

As for backups, we use data-protector to backup important data and the
image is a generic for our linux systems so we just have an image we
dd back in place and restore data.  Do you use XEN in your
environment?

Sean

Sorry if this went through twice i mailed from the wrong account.
From esanchezvela at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 25 18:08:43 2008
From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela)
Date: Thu Sep 25 18:08:45 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux JournalEditor Shawn Powers and Kyle "Hack and /"
	Rankin live online.
Message-ID: <682832.34466.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


SATLUG-nuts!

I know it is a little bit late to send the message, but I just found out, tonight at 8:30 EST there is a broadcast from the one of the LJ editors with Kyle "Hack and /" Rankin.

I believe this is the Kyle Rankin that will be on the show:


Kyle Rankin:  author
of several O'Reilly books: Knoppix Hacks, Knoppix Pocket Reference,
and Linux Multimedia Hacks



I thought someone might be interested on it. Also every Tuestday night at 8:30 holds his Marcel Gagn? (the author of Cooking with Linux, many other articles and a number of books) holds the The WFTL Show  (for http://www.wftl-lug.org/) where he broadcasts live video using ustream.tv.


here is a link to Marcel's show (Tuesdays night 8:30 EST, 7:30 Central) http://www.marcelgagne.com/mytvshow.html

here is the link to today's LJ show 8:30 EST/7:30 Central..
http://www.linuxjournal.com/live

perhaps it (ustream.tv) is something we could use broadcast the SATLUG or you might find a different application for it.

best regards,
Enrique.

http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/8949/letter-from-alaska-palin-a-maverick-please


      
From wg5o at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 25 16:29:40 2008
From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens)
Date: Thu Sep 25 21:24:23 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
Message-ID: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>

You may recall that I got a lot of help, about the end of August re a 
Ubuntu 8.04 resolution problem.  In summary, I can't get resolutions 
above 800x600.  I've continued on the problem, because I'm determined, 
and, if it can be fixed, I'll have an acceptable Windows substitute.  
Here is what I think I've learned.

1.  The vga=xxx in /grub.boot.grub.menu.lst changes the resolution up to 
the Ubuntu log-in screen.  It seems to have no effect in Umbuntu, proper.

2.  When I change xorg.conf, the system always comes up in 800x480, 
which won't allow me to change resolution because "apply" is off the 
screen.  I found that 'xrandr' will list the available resolutions, and 
I can get to the max. available with'xrandr -s 800x600.'

3. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' and similar always 
generate an empty skeleton xorg.conf such as I started with.  The Ubuntu 
recovery mode does the same thing.

4.  There is a command, which I've lost track of, that brings up the 
blue question screens similar to what you get on an original 
installation.  Except for asking if you want to use the framebuffer 
option, it is entirely about the keyboard.

5.  When I monkey with xorg.conf and restart, I usually get a 'Low 
Graphics' screen, "Your screen & graphics card could not be detected 
correctly ..."  If I select "Configure," in "Screen," I can select my 
monitor, Dell M780.  In "Graphics Card," I accept "Generic 
VESA-compliant video card."  The system then produces a new xorg.conf 
file with the monitor characteristics filled in and a whole, big range 
of modes and mode lines.  Unfortunately, at restart X tends to break ... 
I get a screen full of brown lines.  Reset, recovery mode, and "Try to 
repair X" fixes it, but takes me back to the empty xorg.conf file.  I 
can get back by copying and pasting.  Here is my latest effort, in which 
I have eliminated the highest modes, and filled in the name of the 
monitor, Dell M780:


# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by failsafeDexconf, using
# values from the debconf database and some overrides to use vesa mode.
#
# You should use dexconf or another such tool for creating a "real" 
xorg.conf
# For example:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier    "Generic Keyboard"
    Driver        "kbd"
    Option        "XkbRules"    "xorg"
    Option        "XkbModel"    "pc105
    Option        "XkbLayout"    "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier    "Configured Mouse"
    Driver        "mouse"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier    "Dell M780"
    Boardname    "vesa"
    Busid        "PCI:1:0:0"
    Driver        "vesa"
    Screen    0
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier    "Dell M780"
    Vendorname    "Dell"
    Modelname    "Dell M780"
    Horizsync    30.0-85.0
    Vertrefresh    50.0-160.0
  modeline  "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
  modeline  "640x480@72" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -vsync -hsync
  modeline  "640x480@75" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -vsync -hsync
  modeline  "640x480@85" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -vsync -hsync
  modeline  "800x600@56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync
  modeline  "800x600@72" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync
  modeline  "800x600@75" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync
  modeline  "800x600@85" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync
  modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
  modeline  "832x624@75" 57.284 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -vsync 
-hsync
  modeline  "1024x768@85" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 
+hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1024x768@75" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 
+hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1024x768@70" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 
-vsync -hsync
  modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 
-vsync -hsync
  modeline  "1024x768@43" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 
+hsync interlace +vsync
  modeline  "1152x864@75" 108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 
+hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1280x1024@75" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 
+hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1280x960@60" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994 
-hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1280x1024@60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 
+hsync +vsync
  modeline  "1280x960@75" 129.86 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002 
-hsync +vsync
 # modeline  "1400x1050@60" 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 
1087 -hsync +vsync
 # modeline  "1400x1050@75" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 
1096 -hsync +vsync
 # modeline  "1600x1200@65" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 
1250 +hsync +vsync
 # modeline  "1600x1200@60" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 
1250 +hsync +vsync
 # modeline  "1792x1344@60" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448 1344 1345 1348 
1394 -hsync +vsync
    Gamma    1.0
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier    "Dell 780"
    Device        "Dell 780"
    Monitor        "Configured Monitor"
    Defaultdepth    24
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth    24
        Virtual    1792    1344
        Modes        "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@56"   
 "800x600@85"    "640x480@85"
    "800x600@60"    "640x480@75"    "832x624@75"    "640x480@72"   
 "1024x768@85"          "640x480@60"    "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   
 "1024x768@60"    "1024x768@43"            "1152x864@75"           
"1280x1024@75"   "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"    "1280x960@75"    
    EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier    "Default Layout"
  screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
EndSection
Section "Module"
    Load        "glx"
    Load        "GLcore"
    Load        "v4l"
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection

This wasn't an improvement, except it didn't break X.

Please excuse the long-winded e-mail, but I've been struggling and it is 
time to go for help.

Andy Pickens



 
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 21:42:52 2008
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Sep 25 21:42:54 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48DC4C2C.2080002@gmail.com>

Andrew Pickens wrote:

>        Modes        "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@56"   
> "800x600@85"    "640x480@85"
>    "800x600@60"    "640x480@75"    "832x624@75"    "640x480@72"   
> "1024x768@85"          "640x480@60"    "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   
> "1024x768@60"    "1024x768@43"            "1152x864@75"           
> "1280x1024@75"   "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"    "1280x960@75"       

Try putting the highest resolutions first.  X will use the first one it finds 
that fits.  In this case 800x600.  I've never tried to set the refresh rate in 
the way you have.

For all the modelines you have, take a look at /var/log/xorg.log and see which 
ones it says are out of range of the monitor/card combination you have.

This is what I have:

  Section "Monitor"
     Identifier     "Monitor0"
     HorizSync       30.0 - 92.0
     VertRefresh     59.0 - 61.0
     Option         "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
     Identifier     "Card0"
     Driver         "nvidia"
     VendorName     "nVidia Corporation"
     BoardName      "Unknown Board"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
     Identifier     "Screen0"
     Device         "Card0"
     Monitor        "Monitor0"
     DefaultDepth    24

     SubSection     "Display"
         Viewport    0 0
         Depth       16
         Modes      "1920x1200" "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "640x480"
     EndSubSection
EndSection

In your case, since your card is using the vesa driver, I'd make the first 
resolution "1024x768".  I'm not sure if that driver supports higher resolutions 
or not.

   -- Bruce
From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 22:25:47 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Thu Sep 25 22:27:36 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Common Fonts Repository
Message-ID: <48DC563B.30701@satx.rr.com>

I know that for each user, there is a hidden ".Fonts" directory that can 
be used for custom fonts, but I have not been able to find a location 
for a common repository for fonts that would be available to everyone.  
Does anyone know where I should look?  I'm running OpenSUSE 10.3.  TIA.

Al Lesmerises

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 22:39:57 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Sep 25 22:39:48 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48DC598D.10902@gmail.com>

This is the video card line on my system when I run the command: sudo
lshw -short:

> /0/100/1/5                          display     RS485 [Radeon Xpress
> 1100 IGP]

Check this line, see what you have for a video card, and ensure you have
the proper (proprietary, in this case, ATI; you may have Nvidia; be
sure) driver loaded, and that you have System>Administration>Hardware
Drivers set to use the restricted drivers.  Then reboot, and try
System>Preferences>Screen Resolution to see if you can properly set
them.  It worked on the 2 machines I needed to do it on...

Cheers;
Ed

==============
Andrew Pickens wrote:
> You may recall that I got a lot of help, about the end of August re a
> Ubuntu 8.04 resolution problem.  In summary, I can't get resolutions
> above 800x600.  I've continued on the problem, because I'm determined,
> and, if it can be fixed, I'll have an acceptable Windows substitute. 
> Here is what I think I've learned.
>
> 1.  The vga=xxx in /grub.boot.grub.menu.lst changes the resolution up
> to the Ubuntu log-in screen.  It seems to have no effect in Umbuntu,
> proper.
>
> 2.  When I change xorg.conf, the system always comes up in 800x480,
> which won't allow me to change resolution because "apply" is off the
> screen.  I found that 'xrandr' will list the available resolutions,
> and I can get to the max. available with'xrandr -s 800x600.'
>
> 3. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' and similar always
> generate an empty skeleton xorg.conf such as I started with.  The
> Ubuntu recovery mode does the same thing.
>
> 4.  There is a command, which I've lost track of, that brings up the
> blue question screens similar to what you get on an original
> installation.  Except for asking if you want to use the framebuffer
> option, it is entirely about the keyboard.
>
> 5.  When I monkey with xorg.conf and restart, I usually get a 'Low
> Graphics' screen, "Your screen & graphics card could not be detected
> correctly ..."  If I select "Configure," in "Screen," I can select my
> monitor, Dell M780.  In "Graphics Card," I accept "Generic
> VESA-compliant video card."  The system then produces a new xorg.conf
> file with the monitor characteristics filled in and a whole, big range
> of modes and mode lines.  Unfortunately, at restart X tends to break
> ... I get a screen full of brown lines.  Reset, recovery mode, and
> "Try to repair X" fixes it, but takes me back to the empty xorg.conf
> file.  I can get back by copying and pasting.  Here is my latest
> effort, in which I have eliminated the highest modes, and filled in
> the name of the monitor, Dell M780:
>
>

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 22:43:25 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Sep 25 22:43:15 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Common Fonts Repository
In-Reply-To: <48DC563B.30701@satx.rr.com>
References: <48DC563B.30701@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48DC5A5D.8000801@gmail.com>

Alan Lesmerises wrote:
> I know that for each user, there is a hidden ".Fonts" directory that
> can be used for custom fonts, but I have not been able to find a
> location for a common repository for fonts that would be available to
> everyone.  Does anyone know where I should look?  I'm running OpenSUSE
> 10.3.  TIA.
>
> Al Lesmerises
>
Look under /usr/share - in the same main directory that holds all your
icon folders.  There are several font selections available to my system
there...

Cheers;
Ed

From rsuberg at satx.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 22:51:08 2008
From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg)
Date: Thu Sep 25 22:51:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Parallel port problem with OpenCBM...
In-Reply-To: <48DC06C6.5090509@satx.rr.com>
References: <48DC06C6.5090509@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501c91f8b$1bf3af80$53db0e80$@rr.com>

One thing to check to see if your BIOS has been set up to allow for IRQ
usage.  SPP ports don't use IRQ, and either EPP use an IRQ, and ECP uses a
DMA channel. IIRC.  Keep in mind, all 3 are "parallel ports", just different
semi-compatible standards of the same thing.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Bamse
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:47 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: [SATLUG] Parallel port problem with OpenCBM...

Howdy...

I'm trying to install OpenCBM 0.4.2a on Ubuntu 8.0.4...
I followed the instruction on this page pretty much line by line..
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500905

The install went fine but the last command seem to cause problems,

sudo depmod
sudo modprobe parport
sudo rmmod lp
sudo modprobe cbm


bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$ sudo modprobe cbm lp=0
FATAL: Error inserting cbm 
(/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/cbm.ko): No such device
bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$

To troubleshoot I typed dmesg and got the following at the end,
[ 6014.341506] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 0
[ 6060.762850] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 1
[ 6063.103631] cbm_init: non-existant port: 2
bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$

Looks like I have two parallel ports installed but they do not have an 
irq configured...
Anyone knows how to configure the ports to use interrupts ?

Please keep in mind that I'm a beginner so be patient with me...

/Fredrik

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From crynosys at grandecom.net  Thu Sep 25 23:36:42 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:36:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit - Contact points
Message-ID: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>

Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
this.
The librarians have almost given up on me.
So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.

Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
Public - 684-0720

My contact info
crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
e-mail and I'll post you a cell



From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 23:47:06 2008
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:47:09 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit - Contact points
In-Reply-To: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: 

I will be in town Oct. 1, so if it can wait until that weekend, I'm game to
carpool with someone out there and check things out. We can probably get
them up and running on much less hardware.  Who else is volunteering for
this?  I have a spare WRT54G already flashed with DD-WRT and lots of spare
parts.  I'm sure we can put something together for them.

Ernest

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
> this.
> The librarians have almost given up on me.
> So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.
>
> Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
> Public - 684-0720
>
> My contact info
> crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
> e-mail and I'll post you a cell
>
>
>
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From dvprogs at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 23:47:21 2008
From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:47:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ? /VMware
	question
Message-ID: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have any suggestions for cancelling a texas.net account? I
can't find a fax number for them. They have two addresses, a POBOX in
Dallas or a street address in Austin;  which is the best one to send a
cancellation notice to if I were to go that route ?

VMware question: Is it better to use VMWare player or server, since
they're both "free" to use.

thanks
Daniel V.
From mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 23:47:44 2008
From: mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com (Bamse)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:47:46 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Parallel port problem with OpenCBM...
In-Reply-To: <001501c91f8b$1bf3af80$53db0e80$@rr.com>
References: <48DC06C6.5090509@satx.rr.com>
	<001501c91f8b$1bf3af80$53db0e80$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <48DC6970.8080003@satx.rr.com>

There doesn't seem to be a BIOS setting since it's an add on PCI card...
However I found the address and IRQ for the ports with lspci -v so I'm 
going to try setup OpenCBM to use this address and IRQ tomorrow...
Guess I should use DC88 and IRQ 22 as parameters...

03:05.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 9815 Multi-I/O 
Controller (rev 01)
    Subsystem: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 2P0S (2 port parallel adaptor)
    Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 22
    I/O ports at dc88 [size=8]
    I/O ports at dc90 [size=8]
    I/O ports at dc98 [size=8]
    I/O ports at dca0 [size=8]
    I/O ports at dca8 [size=8]
    I/O ports at dcb0 [size=16]

> One thing to check to see if your BIOS has been set up to allow for IRQ
> usage.  SPP ports don't use IRQ, and either EPP use an IRQ, and ECP uses a
> DMA channel. IIRC.  Keep in mind, all 3 are "parallel ports", just different
> semi-compatible standards of the same thing.
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Bamse
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:47 PM
> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
> Subject: [SATLUG] Parallel port problem with OpenCBM...
>
> Howdy...
>
> I'm trying to install OpenCBM 0.4.2a on Ubuntu 8.0.4...
> I followed the instruction on this page pretty much line by line..
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500905
>
> The install went fine but the last command seem to cause problems,
>
> sudo depmod
> sudo modprobe parport
> sudo rmmod lp
> sudo modprobe cbm
>
>
> bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$ sudo modprobe cbm lp=0
> FATAL: Error inserting cbm 
> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/cbm.ko): No such device
> bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$
>
> To troubleshoot I typed dmesg and got the following at the end,
> [ 6014.341506] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 0
> [ 6060.762850] cbm_init: parallel port irq not configured: 1
> [ 6063.103631] cbm_init: non-existant port: 2
> bamse@bamse-desktop:~/opencbm-0.4.2a$
>
> Looks like I have two parallel ports installed but they do not have an 
> irq configured...
> Anyone knows how to configure the ports to use interrupts ?
>
> Please keep in mind that I'm a beginner so be patient with me...
>
> /Fredrik
>
>   

From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 23:50:10 2008
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:50:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ? /VMware
	question
In-Reply-To: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

I don't know about texas.net, but as far as VMware, it depends on what you
want to do.  If you just want to use pre-built appliances (VM images) and
toy around with it, then player is better.  If you actually want to make the
VMs your self and have the ability to change configurations of them, then
you need server.  Player does just that, it plays an already created VM.
Server allows you to create and manage the VMs.

Ernest

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:47 PM, D Villarreal  wrote:

> Anyone have any suggestions for cancelling a texas.net account? I
> can't find a fax number for them. They have two addresses, a POBOX in
> Dallas or a street address in Austin;  which is the best one to send a
> cancellation notice to if I were to go that route ?
>
> VMware question: Is it better to use VMWare player or server, since
> they're both "free" to use.
>
> thanks
> Daniel V.
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From astro at astr0.org  Thu Sep 25 23:48:53 2008
From: astro at astr0.org (Brian)
Date: Thu Sep 25 23:50:29 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ?
	/VMwarequestion
Message-ID: <1702943649-1222404556-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-386389268-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

For texas.net try contacting datafoundry.net or giganews.com same company. I used to work for them back in the dial up days :)
------Original Message------
From: D Villarreal
Sender: 
To: satlug@satlug.org
ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ? /VMwarequestion
Sent: Sep 25, 2008 23:47

Anyone have any suggestions for cancelling a texas.net account? I
can't find a fax number for them. They have two addresses, a POBOX in
Dallas or a street address in Austin;  which is the best one to send a
cancellation notice to if I were to go that route ?

VMware question: Is it better to use VMWare player or server, since
they're both "free" to use.

thanks
Daniel V.
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Fri Sep 26 04:36:09 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Fri Sep 26 04:32:55 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200809260936.m8Q9a9Nd013076@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Andrew,

Ed is right, you need to run the right driver for your card, and
currently you are not. Your card is apparently not 100% VESA compliant
and therefore the vesa driver doesn't know how to talk to your 
card for the hi-res settings. Obviously, vesa is not the right driver
to talk to your hardware. You need to change the driver.

I don't know about Ed's suggestion to run lshw, this command doesn't
exist on my system, maybe it is something Ubuntu specific. The standard
command for finding out what hardware is installed on your computer,
including the video card, is "lspci". Run this as root from the command
line and look for the line that lists the VGA/Video adaptor. Make a note
of the make and model and go to the manufacturer's website to get the latest driver 
for it.

Read their instructions for installation under Linux (probably the
instructions are generic and work under any Linux distro) and follow them.

Then report back to us when you have the driver successfully installed in
case you still don't get the highest graphics modes. At this point this would
just be a xorg.conf tweak, and we can help you with that. Send us a copy
of your xorg.conf file after changing the driver in it and trying it out.

You may need to go to text mode to install the driver. On my system that
is runlevel 3 or 1, which you can enter as root by typing: "init 1" or "init 3".

-Borries
> 
> You may recall that I got a lot of help, about the end of August re a 
> Ubuntu 8.04 resolution problem.  In summary, I can't get resolutions 
> above 800x600.  I've continued on the problem, because I'm determined, 
> and, if it can be fixed, I'll have an acceptable Windows substitute.  
> Here is what I think I've learned.
> 
> 1.  The vga=xxx in /grub.boot.grub.menu.lst changes the resolution up to 
> the Ubuntu log-in screen.  It seems to have no effect in Umbuntu, proper.
> 
> 2.  When I change xorg.conf, the system always comes up in 800x480, 
> which won't allow me to change resolution because "apply" is off the 
> screen.  I found that 'xrandr' will list the available resolutions, and 
> I can get to the max. available with'xrandr -s 800x600.'
> 
> 3. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' and similar always 
> generate an empty skeleton xorg.conf such as I started with.  The Ubuntu 
> recovery mode does the same thing.
> 
> 4.  There is a command, which I've lost track of, that brings up the 
> blue question screens similar to what you get on an original 
> installation.  Except for asking if you want to use the framebuffer 
> option, it is entirely about the keyboard.
> 
> 5.  When I monkey with xorg.conf and restart, I usually get a 'Low 
> Graphics' screen, "Your screen & graphics card could not be detected 
> correctly ..."  If I select "Configure," in "Screen," I can select my 
> monitor, Dell M780.  In "Graphics Card," I accept "Generic 
> VESA-compliant video card."  The system then produces a new xorg.conf 
> file with the monitor characteristics filled in and a whole, big range 
> of modes and mode lines.  Unfortunately, at restart X tends to break ... 
> I get a screen full of brown lines.  Reset, recovery mode, and "Try to 
> repair X" fixes it, but takes me back to the empty xorg.conf file.  I 
> can get back by copying and pasting.  Here is my latest effort, in which 
> I have eliminated the highest modes, and filled in the name of the 
> monitor, Dell M780:
> 
> 
> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by failsafeDexconf, using
> # values from the debconf database and some overrides to use vesa mode.
> #
> # You should use dexconf or another such tool for creating a "real" 
> xorg.conf
> # For example:
> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
> Section "InputDevice"
>     Identifier    "Generic Keyboard"
>     Driver        "kbd"
>     Option        "XkbRules"    "xorg"
>     Option        "XkbModel"    "pc105
>     Option        "XkbLayout"    "us"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>     Identifier    "Configured Mouse"
>     Driver        "mouse"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
>     Identifier    "Dell M780"
>     Boardname    "vesa"
>     Busid        "PCI:1:0:0"
>     Driver        "vesa"
>     Screen    0
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>     Identifier    "Dell M780"
>     Vendorname    "Dell"
>     Modelname    "Dell M780"
>     Horizsync    30.0-85.0
>     Vertrefresh    50.0-160.0
>   modeline  "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "640x480@72" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "640x480@75" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "640x480@85" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "800x600@56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "800x600@72" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "800x600@75" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "800x600@85" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "832x624@75" 57.284 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -vsync 
> -hsync
>   modeline  "1024x768@85" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 
> +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1024x768@75" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 
> +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1024x768@70" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 
> -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 
> -vsync -hsync
>   modeline  "1024x768@43" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 
> +hsync interlace +vsync
>   modeline  "1152x864@75" 108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 
> +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1280x1024@75" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 
> +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1280x960@60" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994 
> -hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1280x1024@60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 
> +hsync +vsync
>   modeline  "1280x960@75" 129.86 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002 
> -hsync +vsync
>  # modeline  "1400x1050@60" 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 
> 1087 -hsync +vsync
>  # modeline  "1400x1050@75" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 
> 1096 -hsync +vsync
>  # modeline  "1600x1200@65" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 
> 1250 +hsync +vsync
>  # modeline  "1600x1200@60" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 
> 1250 +hsync +vsync
>  # modeline  "1792x1344@60" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448 1344 1345 1348 
> 1394 -hsync +vsync
>     Gamma    1.0
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
>     Identifier    "Dell 780"
>     Device        "Dell 780"
>     Monitor        "Configured Monitor"
>     Defaultdepth    24
>     SubSection "Display"
>         Depth    24
>         Virtual    1792    1344
>         Modes        "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@56"   
>  "800x600@85"    "640x480@85"
>     "800x600@60"    "640x480@75"    "832x624@75"    "640x480@72"   
>  "1024x768@85"          "640x480@60"    "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   
>  "1024x768@60"    "1024x768@43"            "1152x864@75"           
> "1280x1024@75"   "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"    "1280x960@75"    
>     EndSubSection
> EndSection
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>     Identifier    "Default Layout"
>   screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
> EndSection
> Section "Module"
>     Load        "glx"
>     Load        "GLcore"
>     Load        "v4l"
> EndSection
> Section "ServerFlags"
> EndSection
> 
> This wasn't an improvement, except it didn't break X.
> 
> Please excuse the long-winded e-mail, but I've been struggling and it is 
> time to go for help.
> 
> Andy Pickens
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 07:01:41 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Fri Sep 26 07:01:43 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ? /VMware
	question
In-Reply-To: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

>
> VMware question: Is it better to use VMWare player or server, since
> they're both "free" to use.
>

As Ernest already said earlier, player is the way to go if you already
have pre-built virtual machines to use.  However, server is much more
flexible than player and is the better choice if one of your goals is
learning the installation process of multiple OS's.  That being said,
VMware has a wonderful appliance repository filled with pre-built
virtual machines for free download that should work with VMware
player.  It's an awesome resource:

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/

-- 
-Brian
From j at jvpappas.net  Fri Sep 26 11:44:32 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Fri Sep 26 11:44:35 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] re: Off-topic - cancel texas.net suggestions ? /VMware
	question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <7f9598380809252147i5ca0d40di54c455eeb39e1a5c@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450809260944p51cd35d9keaf52700e0303d22@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 07:01, Brian McKinney  wrote:

> > VMware question: Is it better to use VMWare player or server, since
> > they're both "free" to use.
>
> As Ernest already said earlier, player is the way to go if you already
> have pre-built virtual machines to use.  However, server is much more
> flexible than player and is the better choice if one of your goals is
> learning the installation process of multiple OS's.


The major differentiator between server and player is the ability to create
and manipulate VMs.  Player has no GUI for this, and must have a "template"
as player cannot build a from-scratch VM.  You can easily manipulate the VMX
(config) file with vi or such to change things, but most people want GUI
manageabilty.  If you are loading on a stationary machine, go with server,
don't even mess with player.  On a laptop it is a little less clear cut, as
the interface for Server (especially with the 2.0 release) is wonky for a
mobile platform.  I say this because player runs as an "all in one" app
window, where server has separate management interfaces (v2 has VIC, Web,
Browser Plugins, v1 has "Server Console" and a web MUI that you may install
on the server in a separate step)

I assume cost is the issue, as Workstation is fantastic and I now can't
imagine a system without it (Having bought it first in 1998 and not looking
back).  Parallels is OK, but Workstation is more mature/robust.


> That being said, VMware has a wonderful appliance repository filled with
> pre-built
> virtual machines for free download that should work with VMware player.
>  It's an awesome resource:
>
> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/


Agreed.  You can also Google for VM appliances, as well as rPath rBuilder
Online (http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder/).  Many software vendors now also
bundle VMs image as standard releases, if you are looking for a specific
app.

HTH,
jp
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 12:44:51 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Fri Sep 26 12:46:17 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200809261244.51862.jdchoate@gmail.com>

In addition to the suggestions of others regarding the choice of graphics card, I highly suggest selecting a 'generic' monitor, instead of your Dell M780. Choose, under 'Generic' instead of 'Vendor', 1024x768 @ 70Hz... or if you prefer, 1280x1024 @ 60 Hz (or a higher refresh rate if your monitor can handle it.).

I had a similar problem a few years ago with a Sylvania 19" CRT monitor. If I chose a 19" Sylvania model under 'vendor', I got a limited choice of resolutions. When switching to '1600x1200 @ 70 Hz' I got the full range of resolutions.

Good luck,

John C.
From gtmo321 at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 26 12:53:14 2008
From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis)
Date: Fri Sep 26 12:53:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit - Contact points
In-Reply-To: 
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	
Message-ID: <48DD218A.7070103@earthlink.net>

Hi - I live in Leon Valley and just talked with Sherry - the library 
computer person.  Apparently her Linux box is Mitel SME server 6.0 that 
is still operable..taking care of the library web page and 
workstations.  She lost her Windoz box that once handle the library book 
list, members account (anti virus and firewall programs ??).  She was 
able to get a Window Server 2003 installed on a new computer. Her 
immediate need is to get the Windoz 2003 up and running with the library 
data.  Both, the dead Windoz  and Mitel boxes have tape back up...that 
she hope can be used to restore data. 
These are just my impressions - If there is someone out there, who enjoy 
milk and cookies, (not certain) for their Linux/Mitel expertise - this 
level of IT is above my pay grade. Any help that you give, I am sure the 
lady volunteers will appreciate your contribution.

Mike

W6GAR



Ernest De Leon wrote:
> I will be in town Oct. 1, so if it can wait until that weekend, I'm game to
> carpool with someone out there and check things out. We can probably get
> them up and running on much less hardware.  Who else is volunteering for
> this?  I have a spare WRT54G already flashed with DD-WRT and lots of spare
> parts.  I'm sure we can put something together for them.
>
> Ernest
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Chris  wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
>> this.
>> The librarians have almost given up on me.
>> So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.
>>
>> Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
>> Public - 684-0720
>>
>> My contact info
>> crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
>> e-mail and I'll post you a cell
>>
>>
>>
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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 12:58:53 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Fri Sep 26 13:00:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Common Fonts Repository
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On Thursday 25 September 2008 22:43:25 ed wrote:
> Alan Lesmerises wrote:
> > I know that f