From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 10:40:53 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (Ed Tillman) Date: Sat Nov 1 10:40:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) Message-ID: <19b5226e0811010840v2e9b095emf7aa2ee7d2ba2dbb@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone out there had problems upgrading Ubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10? I got a doosie... Apparently, all my restricted drivers have taken a hike. Video is dead, and xorg (boot recovery) won't fix it. I use the flgrx video driver, and apparently, its dropped off the map. Its no longer on my system, and "apt-get install" can't seem to find it, though I have a good (wired) internet connection - the commands *apt-get update*, *apt-get upgrade*, and *apt-get dist-upgrade* all seem to connect and work nicely - they produce a flurry of activity in my terminal, anyway... On the Ubuntu forms, there's another Acer-driver apparently having the same issues, and his machine is apparently newer than mine... Help? Cheers; ed From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Nov 1 11:13:14 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:13:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part In-Reply-To: <490B84ED.4050808@shub-internet.org> References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com> <490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com> <490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B7211.1030106@satx.rr.com> <490B84ED.4050808@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <490C801A.6080901@satx.rr.com> I've since found a few references to this device, and yes, it can have 2 drives in it (see the picture about half-way down at http://users.eastlink.ca/~pspencer/mac/dayna/dayna.html). The problem I'm going to have is that it was originally for a Mac, and it's doubtful there are any drivers to allow it to work with Linux or even Windows. I'm sure the trickery of getting to work with 2 drives is in the driver ... Al Lesmerises Brad Knowles wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> I was talking about a second connector _internally_. If you notice >> on the front view, there is space below the existing floppy that's >> currently empty, and there are power & data connectors available to >> put in a second drive. > Yeah, but it's still got only one SCSI ID assigned to the box, which > means it can only have one device installed. If the device is > half-height, then you would need the filler panel. If the device is > full-height, then the filler panel could be removed. > > This isn't like FireWire or USB where everything just automagically > figures everything out. From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Nov 1 13:47:12 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Nov 1 13:47:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part In-Reply-To: <490C801A.6080901@satx.rr.com> References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com> <490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com> <490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B7211.1030106@satx.rr.com> <490B84ED.4050808@shub-internet.org> <490C801A.6080901@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <490CA430.3030102@shub-internet.org> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I've since found a few references to this device, and yes, it can have 2 > drives in it (see the picture about half-way down at > http://users.eastlink.ca/~pspencer/mac/dayna/dayna.html). Interesting. Makes me wonder what the heck is going on inside of that case which can map a single SCSI address into two separate physical floppy drives. > The problem > I'm going to have is that it was originally for a Mac, and it's doubtful > there are any drivers to allow it to work with Linux or even Windows. > I'm sure the trickery of getting to work with 2 drives is in the driver ... There must be some deep magic in the logic boards within the case as well. Either way, I think you're definitely going to have problems talking to this device unless you're running a really old version of MacOS and you can dig up the appropriate fifteen year-old drivers. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From willisouth at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 14:31:48 2008 From: willisouth at gmail.com (Will Southworth) Date: Sat Nov 1 14:31:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) In-Reply-To: <19b5226e0811010840v2e9b095emf7aa2ee7d2ba2dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <19b5226e0811010840v2e9b095emf7aa2ee7d2ba2dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <826127c70811011231m6ddb5540xcddf3281c0a8fb5f@mail.gmail.com> I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a computer a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't get it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat floppy boot disk. What do I do? --Bill On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Ed Tillman wrote: > Has anyone out there had problems upgrading Ubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10? I > got > a doosie... > > Apparently, all my restricted drivers have taken a hike. Video is dead, > and > xorg (boot recovery) won't fix it. > > I use the flgrx video driver, and apparently, its dropped off the map. Its > no longer on my system, and "apt-get install" can't seem to find it, though > I have a good (wired) internet connection - the commands *apt-get > update*, *apt-get > upgrade*, and *apt-get dist-upgrade* all seem to connect and work nicely - > they produce a flurry of activity in my terminal, anyway... > > On the Ubuntu forms, there's another Acer-driver apparently having the same > issues, and his machine is apparently newer than mine... > > Help? > > Cheers; > ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Nov 1 15:35:38 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Nov 1 15:35:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) Message-ID: >I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a computer >a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't get >it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat >floppy boot disk. What do I do? ------------------------------------------------------ Does the computer boot at all, what are the BIOS options for booting ? Did you do a " md5sum " check on the download, and on the CD (if you burned it)? From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Nov 1 15:59:30 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Nov 1 15:59:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part In-Reply-To: <490CA430.3030102@shub-internet.org> References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com> <490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com> <490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B7211.1030106@satx.rr.com> <490B84ED.4050808@shub-internet.org> <490C801A.6080901@satx.rr.com> <490CA430.3030102@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <490CC332.4000307@satx.rr.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > There must be some deep magic in the logic boards within the case as > well. Either way, I think you're definitely going to have problems > talking to this device unless you're running a really old version of > MacOS and you can dig up the appropriate fifteen year-old drivers. That's exactly what I'm thinking, too. I'm also thinking that I should look for another external drive box instead of fooling around with this one ... Al Lesmerises From hc at lookcee.com Sat Nov 1 16:12:45 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Nov 1 16:10:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490CC64D.1020602@lookcee.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a computer >> a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't get >> it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat >> floppy boot disk. What do I do? >> > ------------------------------------------------------ > Does the computer boot at all, what are the BIOS options for booting ? > > Did you do a " md5sum " check on the download, and on the CD (if you burned it)? > Will, does the PS come on and continue to run? If not then unplug all connections except the power plug to the Mobo and try again. Do you see the BIOS splash screen in the preboot sequence? If not then your basic prob is either the bios chip, graphics card, memory or Mobo. if you see the splash screen then see if you can see BIOS/CMOS and check the boot sequence. Let us know how far you get and would be nice to know what Mobo it is. also best to try first start with single stick of Mem in bank 0 and only graphics card in the Mobo. herb > > > > From willisouth at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 18:06:55 2008 From: willisouth at gmail.com (Will Southworth) Date: Sat Nov 1 18:06:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <826127c70811011606kc5a9383w3908cf169394a6a4@mail.gmail.com> The computer boots fine, no problem getting into BIOS. I suspected the MBR on the HD was corrupt in some way. I had installed Red Hat on it fine a few months back. Then suddenly, it couldn't boot by itself, I had to have the install disk in the CD in order to boot. Now Red hat installs, but won't get out of installation. I swapped the HD out that one for another I had lying around on my workbench. Now I just need to get Windows 2K off the drive and Ubantu on. Is md5sum a data corruption check? I've never heard of this. Please type slowly, I'm new to this and want to learn more. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:35 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > >I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a > computer > >a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't > get > >it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat > >floppy boot disk. What do I do? > ------------------------------------------------------ > Does the computer boot at all, what are the BIOS options for booting ? > > Did you do a " md5sum " check on the download, and on the CD (if you burned > it)? > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Nov 1 19:16:07 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Nov 1 19:16:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) Message-ID: <17dc8847c4fe42e7aa30bd01c12e75db.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >The computer boots fine, no problem getting into BIOS. I suspected the MBR >on the HD was corrupt in some way. I had installed Red Hat on it fine a few >months back. Then suddenly, it couldn't boot by itself, I had to have the >install disk in the CD in order to boot. Now Red hat installs, but won't get >out of installation. I swapped the HD out that one for another I had lying >around on my workbench. Now I just need to get Windows 2K off the drive and >Ubantu on. Is md5sum a data corruption check? I've never heard of this. -------------------------------------------------- " md5sum " is a check sum of the original iso you downloaded and should be compared to the md5sum of the iso image that was burned, to make sure it's an error free, mirror image. Suggest you Google " ubuntu howto md5sum " You should be able to install Ubuntu right over your current Redhat on the HD, provided you have your partitions are correct. Am not a Ubuntu user, so any uniqure particulars, or things to watchout for will have come from someone else. HTH Lou From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 19:31:08 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Nov 1 19:31:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) In-Reply-To: <826127c70811011606kc5a9383w3908cf169394a6a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <826127c70811011606kc5a9383w3908cf169394a6a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Will Southworth wrote: > The computer boots fine, no problem getting into BIOS. I suspected the MBR > on the HD was corrupt in some way. I had installed Red Hat on it fine a few > months back. Then suddenly, it couldn't boot by itself, I had to have the > install disk in the CD in order to boot. Now Red hat installs, but won't get > out of installation. I swapped the HD out that one for another I had lying > around on my workbench. Now I just need to get Windows 2K off the drive and > Ubantu on. Is md5sum a data corruption check? I've never heard of this. Yes. Good Idea to run MD5SUM on all downloaded ISO files. The K3b CD/DVD burning program checks this before burning. You will need to download the MD5SUM file for the ISO. This is a small text file. The more common problem I have had is defective CD/DVD's for a number of reasons. I now run the "media check" at the start of the install everytime to avoid bad installs. The media has even failed after a successful install. Who knows? If the MBR on a disk gets corrupted, then GRUB will not install correctly and will not tell you. My best "known to work everytime" solution is to use the disk manufacturers tools and do a "low level" format on the disk and re-initialize the MBR also. The MBR is usually a separate operation. I've also had flaky disks that would be seen by the BIOS one time and not the next. Very frustrating. > Please type slowly, I'm new to this and want to learn more. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:35 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com > wrote: > >> >> >I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a >> computer >> >a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't >> get >> >it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat >> >floppy boot disk. What do I do? >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Does the computer boot at all, what are the BIOS options for booting ? >> >> Did you do a " md5sum " check on the download, and on the CD (if you burned >> it)? From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Nov 2 10:59:55 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Nov 2 10:59:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell Poweredges for Sale! $250 for it all Message-ID: <490DDC8B.4050002@shlrm.org> So I tried craigslist, and that didn't work. I have a pair of dell Poweredge servers that I don't do anything with anymore, but were fun whilst I did play with them :) They do still work, and I think Source Mage is up and running on both of them. You should be able to install any linux that supports the Adaptec SCSI stuff. I even have the command line Adaptec controller manipulator that Adaptec put out. It's in the root dir of one of the servers, so get it off before you format the thing ;) 1 Dell Poweredge 4300 * 4 Pentium III Xeon 500s 2Mb Cache * 2.5 GB ECC Ram * Adaptec AACRAID scsi card (Yeah it does raid 5) * about 200gb worth of scsi disks (cumulative, quite a few are 16gb ones, and some are 9gb ones) * Triplicate power supplies * Gigabit ethernet I have another Poweredge 4300 that I used for spare parts, so if you take one you get the parts too :) Now you've got spares of just about everything. I have another poweredge that's slightly less cool, only a dual cpu pentium II 550 or something, it works too, still has the triplicate power supply. I don't remember how much ram. But basically, the point is, I need it to go away, it's taking up too much space in my computer room. So, I'll part with it all for $250. Thanks for your Off-Topic Attention, -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 14:01:15 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sun Nov 2 14:01:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 Help... (Please?) In-Reply-To: <826127c70811011231m6ddb5540xcddf3281c0a8fb5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <19b5226e0811010840v2e9b095emf7aa2ee7d2ba2dbb@mail.gmail.com> <826127c70811011231m6ddb5540xcddf3281c0a8fb5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490E070B.2070703@gmail.com> I found at least one of the problems: the old proprietary fglrx driver is no longer available; the two that would work in a Linux/ATI environment depend on OpenOffice, and they've (ATI) written their load script incorrectly, calling for ooobasis_30_-us_en. Problem is, the script address should read: ooobasis_3.0_-us_en. The load script burps, and won't install /any/ video drivers (or try to load nVidia instead). Apparently, nVidia users (new "nv" driver) also have the same issue. The Ubuntu forums are full of distress and disappointment over this, but nobody's answering the phones... I'm back-stepping to 8.04 until the problem is resolved. Cheers; Ed Will Southworth wrote: > I just downloaded Ubuntu 8.10 iso and I'm trying to install it on a computer > a friend and I cobbled up together from spare parts. Problem is I can't get > it to boot. Not from the CD, not from the HD, not even from an old Red Hat > floppy boot disk. What do I do? > --Bill > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Ed Tillman wrote: > > >> Has anyone out there had problems upgrading Ubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10? I >> got >> a doosie... >> >> Apparently, all my restricted drivers have taken a hike. Video is dead, >> and >> xorg (boot recovery) won't fix it. >> >> I use the flgrx video driver, and apparently, its dropped off the map. Its >> no longer on my system, and "apt-get install" can't seem to find it, though >> I have a good (wired) internet connection - the commands *apt-get >> update*, *apt-get >> upgrade*, and *apt-get dist-upgrade* all seem to connect and work nicely - >> they produce a flurry of activity in my terminal, anyway... >> >> On the Ubuntu forms, there's another Acer-driver apparently having the same >> issues, and his machine is apparently newer than mine... >> >> Help? >> >> Cheers; >> ed >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 20:15:18 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sun Nov 2 20:15:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... Message-ID: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens of things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping to 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of 7.04, and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. Common problems (personal, and seen on both the /Linux Forums/, and /Ubuntu Forums/ sites) in Intrepid Ibex include: new video drivers (both ATI and nVidia) that won't load, loss of sound (both ALSA and OSS) in one or both stereo channels, lock-ups, freezes, and just plain dumping the user to a terminal login... The terminal doesn't frighten me, so I actually tried running scripts to install the "new" ATI video drivers, and it still didn't work - several of the dependencies are apparently broken... But, the terminal does frighten, confuse and confound several novice and non-tech users out there. For a strong Ubuntu supporter/user, who's gonna stay with it, I gotta say that this new 8.04 upgrade definitely isn't ready for prime time! It feels like someone or some thing parked an "alpha" pre-release out there for us to hang on... Not real fun... As a former boss once told me, and I'm here to remind the rest of us: "Ubuntu ain't quite ready for grandma..." Cheers; Ed From nathan at gvtc.com Mon Nov 3 08:41:53 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Mon Nov 3 08:42:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20081103064153.4FF14124@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Reminder that we have a computer show at Live Oak Civic Center on Nov 8. We need to be up and running by 9 AM. This show we are covering audio related software. For information on the show if you have not been to one, see the link at the bottom of the SATLUG.ORG web site. The next show will be December 13. We need to come up with a theme for that show. I will not be able to make that show, I will be involved with a model train display at the SA Botanical Gardens from Nov 22 to Dec 14. Nathan From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Nov 3 14:14:02 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Nov 3 13:14:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: stuff 4 sale Message-ID: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> Finally got around to cleaning out the closet and I have a list of things that I am putting up for grabs. Thought I would give the local luggers the first pick before posting on Craig's list. all prices are negotiable. Item Model # Qty Price Notes video card E-GeForce 7300gt 1 $30.00 new in the box/never opened. 512mb ddr2. AGP 8X Mother Board and CPU MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz 1 $20.00 board has no heatsinks Mother Board and CPU MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz 1 $30.00 with cpu fan and heatsink wifi card Linksys Wireless-G 2.4 ghz pci card WMP54GS 1 $35.00 with antenna wifi card D-Link Air Plus DWL-520+ 1 $25.00 with antenna laptop memory Lenovo 1gb ddr2 677mhz 2 $25.00 each $45.00 for both FireWire Card 4 port firewire card Manufacture unknown 1 $15.00 video card ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 Mb 1 $10.00 no heat sink or fan usb card Universal Buslink 4 port USB pci card 1 $10.00 sata card 2 port sata pci-e card manufacture unknown 1 $5.00 power supply Ultra 600w atx power supply ULT-H600C 1 $50.00 like new power supply Ultra 400w atx power supply ULT-400XU 1 $50.00 modular cables like new wifi antenna D-Link ANT24-0700 omni directional antenna 1 $30.00 works with both of the above wifi card please contact me off list if interested Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Nov 3 14:16:28 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Nov 3 13:16:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: stuff 4 sale In-Reply-To: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> References: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <490F5C1C.1030406@grandecom.net> my apologies about the last post I didnt format it correctly here is the list again Item Model # Qty Price Notes video card E-GeForce 7300gt 1 $30.00 new in the box/never opened. 512mb ddr2. AGP 8X Mother Board and CPU MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz 1 $20.00 board has no heatsinks Mother Board and CPU MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz 1 $30.00 with cpu fan and heatsink wifi card Linksys Wireless-G 2.4 ghz pci card WMP54GS 1 $35.00 with antenna wifi card D-Link Air Plus DWL-520+ 1 $25.00 with antenna laptop memory Lenovo 1gb ddr2 677mhz 2 $25.00 each $45.00 for both FireWire Card 4 port firewire card Manufacture unknown 1 $15.00 video card ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 Mb 1 $10.00 no heat sink or fan usb card Universal Buslink 4 port USB pci card 1 $10.00 sata card 2 port sata pci-e card manufacture unknown 1 $5.00 power supply Ultra 600w atx power supply ULT-H600C 1 $50.00 like new power supply Ultra 400w atx power supply ULT-400XU 1 $50.00 modular cables like new wifi antenna D-Link ANT24-0700 omni directional antenna 1 $30.00 works with both of the above wifi cards TWB From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:57:21 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Nov 3 13:57:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> Message-ID: <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> Ian wrote: > ed wrote: > >> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens of >> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a >> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a >> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping to >> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of 7.04, >> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. >> >> > Ed, > > Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing a > direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . > > Ian > Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some apps and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also nice to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it too. Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... Cheers; Ed ====== From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 14:07:46 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:08:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: stuff 4 sale In-Reply-To: <490F5C1C.1030406@grandecom.net> References: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> <490F5C1C.1030406@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <490F5A12.7060605@gmail.com> Hi Todd... It still didn't format right, but I think we got the idea... :) Cheers; Ed ============= Todd W. Bucy wrote: > my apologies about the last post I didnt format it correctly > > here is the list again > > Item > > > > Model # > > > > Qty > > > > Price > > > > Notes > > video card > > > > E-GeForce 7300gt > > > > 1 > > > > $30.00 > > > > new in the box/never opened. 512mb ddr2. AGP 8X > > Mother Board and CPU > > > > MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz > > > > 1 > > > > $20.00 > > > > board has no heatsinks > > Mother Board and CPU > > > > MB: Asus P4VP-MX w/ Intel P4 Celeron 2.4ghz > > > > 1 > > > > $30.00 > > > > with cpu fan and heatsink > > wifi card > > > > Linksys Wireless-G 2.4 ghz pci card WMP54GS > > > > 1 > > > > $35.00 > > > > with antenna > > wifi card > > > > D-Link Air Plus DWL-520+ > > > > 1 > > > > $25.00 > > > > with antenna > > laptop memory > > > > Lenovo 1gb ddr2 677mhz > > > > 2 > > > > $25.00 > > > > each $45.00 for both > > FireWire Card > > > > 4 port firewire card Manufacture unknown > > > > 1 > > > > $15.00 > > > > > video card > > > > ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 Mb > > > > 1 > > > > $10.00 > > > > no heat sink or fan > > usb card > > > > Universal Buslink 4 port USB pci card > > > > 1 > > > > $10.00 > > > > > sata card > > > > 2 port sata pci-e card manufacture unknown > > > > 1 > > > > $5.00 > > > > > power supply > > > > Ultra 600w atx power supply ULT-H600C > > > > 1 > > > > $50.00 > > > > like new > > power supply > > > > Ultra 400w atx power supply ULT-400XU > > > > 1 > > > > $50.00 > > > > modular cables like new > > wifi antenna > > > > D-Link ANT24-0700 omni directional antenna > > > > 1 > > > > $30.00 > > > > works with both of the above wifi cards > > TWB > > > From ziriax at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 18:20:05 2008 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Mon Nov 3 18:20:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> Ed, Sorry to hear about your troubles. I upgraded my desktop from 8.04 to 8.10 over the net on Saturday. It took hours to download all the files. But it worked and installed the Nvidia video drivers. The USB sound on this MB prompted a message about "..falling back to the default". Then sound worked. Nothing else to report. The "Lite" version of Firefox does seem faster, but I haven't researched what "Lite" means exactly. I've got two laptops and a desk top that I haven't tried yet. Guess I heed your example as a warning and wait a bit. Please keep the list posted, especially if you try again. John On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, ed wrote: > Ian wrote: > >> ed wrote: >> >> >>> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens of >>> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a >>> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a >>> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping to >>> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of 7.04, >>> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. >>> >>> >>> >> Ed, >> >> Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing a >> direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . >> >> Ian >> >> > Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some apps > and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also nice > to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the > differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi > problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it too. > Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... > > Cheers; > Ed > ====== > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Nov 3 20:23:03 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:23:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: stuff 4 sale In-Reply-To: <490F5A12.7060605@gmail.com> References: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> <490F5C1C.1030406@grandecom.net> <490F5A12.7060605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <490FB207.9060106@grandecom.net> ed wrote: > Hi Todd... > It still didn't format right, but I think we got the idea... :) > Cheers; > Ed > ============= yeah sorry about that. the cut and paste looked right before I hit send but I guess the list doesn't support html. Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 10:56:48 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:56:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: stuff 4 sale In-Reply-To: <490FB207.9060106@grandecom.net> References: <490F5B8A.1030302@grandecom.net> <490F5C1C.1030406@grandecom.net> <490F5A12.7060605@gmail.com> <490FB207.9060106@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49107ED0.6060404@gmail.com> Try using a simple text editor, and spacing with the space-bar, rather than the tab key. That's worked for me in the past... Cheers; Ed Todd W. Bucy wrote: > ed wrote: >> Hi Todd... >> It still didn't format right, but I think we got the idea... :) >> Cheers; >> Ed >> ============= > yeah sorry about that. the cut and paste looked right before I hit > send but I guess the list doesn't support html. > > Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 15:13:29 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:13:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> What I found when trying to update my video drivers (ATI) from the terminal in 8.10 is a two-fold problem: First, apparently, the old fglrx is gone for 8.10. ATI now provides proprietary drivers, and an install script, but that install script is all screwed-up. For some odd reason the ATI driver install depends on OpenOffice 3.0. Why that should be, I dunno, but, their install script can't locate ooobasis30-*, and burps. It should really be looking for ooobasis3_._0-*. I can see the running script error on the terminal attempt to install (sudo sh ./filename.run --buildandinstallpkg --dryrun), but dunno how to repair the script -- that's beyond my current abilities...) So, instead, the upgrade loaded "nv" drivers (newest nVidia driver install), which I can't use... (sigh) Cheers... Ed (...happily back at Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...) ========================= John Ziriax wrote: > Ed, > > Sorry to hear about your troubles. I upgraded my desktop from 8.04 to 8.10 > over the net on Saturday. It took hours to download all the files. But it > worked and installed the Nvidia video drivers. The USB sound on this MB > prompted a message about "..falling back to the default". Then sound worked. > Nothing else to report. > > The "Lite" version of Firefox does seem faster, but I haven't researched > what "Lite" means exactly. > > I've got two laptops and a desk top that I haven't tried yet. > > Guess I heed your example as a warning and wait a bit. > > Please keep the list posted, especially if you try again. > > John > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, ed wrote: > > >> Ian wrote: >> >> >>> ed wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens of >>>> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a >>>> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a >>>> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping to >>>> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of 7.04, >>>> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Ed, >>> >>> Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing a >>> direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> >> Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some apps >> and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also nice >> to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the >> differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi >> problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it too. >> Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> ====== >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From ziriax at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 17:07:57 2008 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Tue Nov 4 17:07:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> Ed, Glad you back in a good place. It sounds like it is an install/upgrade problem with the ATI video driver. My system (Nvidia) continues working. I'm looking at the two laptops, one Nvidia and one ATI that are on 8.04 at the moment, and thinking, I'll wait until I hear of some other successes/failures from the group. Any one else taking the 8.10 plunge? John On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM, ed wrote: > What I found when trying to update my video drivers (ATI) from the terminal > in 8.10 is a two-fold problem: First, apparently, the old fglrx is gone for > 8.10. ATI now provides proprietary drivers, and an install script, but that > install script is all screwed-up. > For some odd reason the ATI driver install depends on OpenOffice 3.0. Why > that should be, I dunno, but, their install script can't locate > ooobasis30-*, and burps. It should really be looking for ooobasis3_._0-*. > I can see the running script error on the terminal attempt to install (sudo > sh ./filename.run --buildandinstallpkg --dryrun), but dunno how to repair > the script -- that's beyond my current abilities...) > > So, instead, the upgrade loaded "nv" drivers (newest nVidia driver > install), which I can't use... (sigh) > > Cheers... > Ed > (...happily back at Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...) > ========================= > > > John Ziriax wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> Sorry to hear about your troubles. I upgraded my desktop from 8.04 to >> 8.10 >> over the net on Saturday. It took hours to download all the files. But it >> worked and installed the Nvidia video drivers. The USB sound on this MB >> prompted a message about "..falling back to the default". Then sound >> worked. >> Nothing else to report. >> >> The "Lite" version of Firefox does seem faster, but I haven't researched >> what "Lite" means exactly. >> >> I've got two laptops and a desk top that I haven't tried yet. >> >> Guess I heed your example as a warning and wait a bit. >> >> Please keep the list posted, especially if you try again. >> >> John >> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, ed wrote: >> >> >> >>> Ian wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> ed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens of >>>>> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a >>>>> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a >>>>> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping to >>>>> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of 7.04, >>>>> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Ed, >>>> >>>> Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing a >>>> direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some >>> apps >>> and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also >>> nice >>> to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the >>> differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi >>> problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it >>> too. >>> Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... >>> >>> Cheers; >>> Ed >>> ====== >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gwillden at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 09:42:57 2008 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Wed Nov 5 09:43:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50811050742u4bf67fe8v10e2d5e26ffad64d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > Any one else taking the 8.10 plunge? I upgraded my backup machine to 8.10 (Kubuntu) at the same time that I switched the motherboard and case. The upgrade - using the old MB - went fine. Then I switched the MB and the only problem was the xorg setup. I simply did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg". This rewrote the xorg.conf file and everything works fine. There was some message about one audio driver not working so it fell back to a different driver. The sounds works so I'm fine with that. I haven't been paying too much attention to Xorg development but that xorg.conf file is just about empty now. They have done a great job getting proper auto-detection working in that code. I had the same machine hooked up to my 1920x1200 LCD at work and it looked great. I then took the box home and plugged it in to my 1280x1024 and it adjusts and looks great again. It was not very long ago that you had to tweak a bunch of numbers in xorg.conf to get it to work with different monitors like that. This is my first exposure to KDE 4 and it is a little bit strange right now. I think it will grow on me and work out just fine. It sure is shiny and pretty. I just had to learn how to move things around in the taskbar and how the desktop widgets work. Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 10:53:33 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Wed Nov 5 10:53:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <345e55a50811050742u4bf67fe8v10e2d5e26ffad64d@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50811050742u4bf67fe8v10e2d5e26ffad64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Greg Willden wrote: > > This is my first exposure to KDE 4 and it is a little bit strange > right now. I think it will grow on me and work out just fine. It > sure is shiny and pretty. I just had to learn how to move things > around in the taskbar and how the desktop widgets work. > Do you know of any sites that help gnome person decipher the interface? I really wanted to give KDE4 a shot, but simple things in Gnome (like switching desktops or getting icons on the desktop) just aren't similar enough to gdm to make the transition easy. I want to like KDE4 but I don't know where to start to relearn what I already know about Gnome. ~Nate From chmims at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 11:13:33 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Nov 5 11:21:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580811050913t4c9328daqa345cfcd2e8bebe8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:07 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > Ed, > Glad you back in a good place. It sounds like it is an install/upgrade > problem with the ATI video driver. My system (Nvidia) continues working. > I'm > looking at the two laptops, one Nvidia and one ATI that are on 8.04 at the > moment, and thinking, I'll wait until I hear of some other > successes/failures from the group. > > Any one else taking the 8.10 plunge? > > John I am running 8.10 after a fresh install with no problems. I have an ATI RadeoX300 I initially used the unrestriced driver but now am using the restricted driver. Both installed and worked with no problems. Charles > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM, ed wrote: > > > What I found when trying to update my video drivers (ATI) from the > terminal > > in 8.10 is a two-fold problem: First, apparently, the old fglrx is gone > for > > 8.10. ATI now provides proprietary drivers, and an install script, but > that > > install script is all screwed-up. > > For some odd reason the ATI driver install depends on OpenOffice 3.0. > Why > > that should be, I dunno, but, their install script can't locate > > ooobasis30-*, and burps. It should really be looking for > ooobasis3_._0-*. > > I can see the running script error on the terminal attempt to install > (sudo > > sh ./filename.run --buildandinstallpkg --dryrun), but dunno how to repair > > the script -- that's beyond my current abilities...) > > > > So, instead, the upgrade loaded "nv" drivers (newest nVidia driver > > install), which I can't use... (sigh) > > > > Cheers... > > Ed > > (...happily back at Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...) > > ========================= > > > > > > John Ziriax wrote: > > > >> Ed, > >> > >> Sorry to hear about your troubles. I upgraded my desktop from 8.04 to > >> 8.10 > >> over the net on Saturday. It took hours to download all the files. But > it > >> worked and installed the Nvidia video drivers. The USB sound on this MB > >> prompted a message about "..falling back to the default". Then sound > >> worked. > >> Nothing else to report. > >> > >> The "Lite" version of Firefox does seem faster, but I haven't researched > >> what "Lite" means exactly. > >> > >> I've got two laptops and a desk top that I haven't tried yet. > >> > >> Guess I heed your example as a warning and wait a bit. > >> > >> Please keep the list posted, especially if you try again. > >> > >> John > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, ed wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Ian wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> ed wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens > of > >>>>> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a > >>>>> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a > >>>>> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping > to > >>>>> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of > 7.04, > >>>>> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Ed, > >>>> > >>>> Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing > a > >>>> direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . > >>>> > >>>> Ian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some > >>> apps > >>> and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also > >>> nice > >>> to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the > >>> differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi > >>> problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it > >>> too. > >>> Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... > >>> > >>> Cheers; > >>> Ed > >>> ====== > >>> > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 14:31:09 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Nov 5 14:31:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580811050913t4c9328daqa345cfcd2e8bebe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811050913t4c9328daqa345cfcd2e8bebe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4912028D.5030102@gmail.com> Charles Mims wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:07 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > > >> Ed, >> Glad you back in a good place. It sounds like it is an install/upgrade >> problem with the ATI video driver. My system (Nvidia) continues working. >> I'm >> looking at the two laptops, one Nvidia and one ATI that are on 8.04 at the >> moment, and thinking, I'll wait until I hear of some other >> successes/failures from the group. >> >> Any one else taking the 8.10 plunge? >> >> John >> > > I am running 8.10 after a fresh install with no problems. I have an ATI > RadeoX300 > I initially used the unrestriced driver but now am using the restricted > driver. Both > installed and worked with no problems. > > Charles > Hmm. Now, I gotta wonder why mine turned into a train wreck... (As well as several others on the web...) What'd y'all do that I didn't? (My video card is an ATI Radeon X1100/200M.) Cheers; Ed > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM, ed wrote: >> >> >>> What I found when trying to update my video drivers (ATI) from the >>> >> terminal >> >>> in 8.10 is a two-fold problem: First, apparently, the old fglrx is gone >>> >> for >> >>> 8.10. ATI now provides proprietary drivers, and an install script, but >>> >> that >> >>> install script is all screwed-up. >>> For some odd reason the ATI driver install depends on OpenOffice 3.0. >>> >> Why >> >>> that should be, I dunno, but, their install script can't locate >>> ooobasis30-*, and burps. It should really be looking for >>> >> ooobasis3_._0-*. >> >>> I can see the running script error on the terminal attempt to install >>> >> (sudo >> >>> sh ./filename.run --buildandinstallpkg --dryrun), but dunno how to repair >>> the script -- that's beyond my current abilities...) >>> >>> So, instead, the upgrade loaded "nv" drivers (newest nVidia driver >>> install), which I can't use... (sigh) >>> >>> Cheers... >>> Ed >>> (...happily back at Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...) >>> ========================= >>> >>> >>> John Ziriax wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ed, >>>> >>>> Sorry to hear about your troubles. I upgraded my desktop from 8.04 to >>>> 8.10 >>>> over the net on Saturday. It took hours to download all the files. But >>>> >> it >> >>>> worked and installed the Nvidia video drivers. The USB sound on this MB >>>> prompted a message about "..falling back to the default". Then sound >>>> worked. >>>> Nothing else to report. >>>> >>>> The "Lite" version of Firefox does seem faster, but I haven't researched >>>> what "Lite" means exactly. >>>> >>>> I've got two laptops and a desk top that I haven't tried yet. >>>> >>>> Guess I heed your example as a warning and wait a bit. >>>> >>>> Please keep the list posted, especially if you try again. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, ed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ian wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ed wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the help request earlier, but apparently there are dozens >>>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>>> things wrong with Ubuntu 8.10, no matter whether you're doing a >>>>>>> distribution upgrade on-line (as I did), or fresh-installing from a >>>>>>> disk. After some really bad experiences with it, I'm back-stepping >>>>>>> >> to >> >>>>>>> 8.04 the hard way - wiping the disk, doing a clean CD-install of >>>>>>> >> 7.04, >> >>>>>>> and then dist-upgrading back to 8.04. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ed, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why are you installing 7.04 and upgrading to 8.04 as opposed to doing >>>>>> >> a >> >>>>>> direct install of 8.04? Just curious . . . >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hmm... One, because I have the disk, and two, because there are some >>>>> apps >>>>> and hooks in the earlier versions that I wanted to recover. Its also >>>>> nice >>>>> to be able to step back a kernel or two on boot to experience the >>>>> differences. To each, his own, I guess. While I don't miss the wifi >>>>> problems from 6.06LTS and 6.10, there are some things I miss about it >>>>> too. >>>>> Problem there is that all those repositories are gone now... >>>>> >>>>> Cheers; >>>>> Ed >>>>> ====== >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From gwillden at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 19:10:29 2008 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Thu Nov 6 19:10:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50811050742u4bf67fe8v10e2d5e26ffad64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50811061710i66581f83k9304b05abb7933e3@mail.gmail.com> A continuing report... I am having some odd problems with 8.10 and KDE 4. I just powered on the machine and some of the taskbar icons are missing. I especially noticed the K-menu was gone. It was easy to replace it but that's a bit weird. That is on my spare home machine. I also upgraded my spare work machine to 8.10 and the result is pretty bad. After the mandatory reboot the video went away and reseting or powering off the box does not bring it back. I then - perhaps stupidly - switched to the VGA port on the video card (I was using DVI) and once X started up the screen went blank and never came back after a reboot. Perhaps all the Xorg upgrades to reduce what is in the xorg.conf file doesn't work very well yet and fried my video card. That is a bit of a bummer. So I am 1-1 with upgrades to "Ibex". That's not very good. Beware the Intrepid Ibex. It looks like it needs a few more months of growth. YMMV Greg -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 20:34:21 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:34:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? Message-ID: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> Well after many weeks of scratching then banging my head against my compaq server, I have ended up hosing my apache2 setup. It's either because A) I did something stupid and pulled some vital apache2 configs, B) Webmin hosed my apache2 configs, C)apt-get hosed my apache configs, but either way.... How do I force-reinstall apache2? The configs weren't reinstalled when i did an apt-get remove apache2 and an then apt-get install apache2 and still nothing. My webmin apache module still says it can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 (which is where the files should be, but......) It took me almost a solid month to get the compaq software installed (intended originally for either RedHat or BSD) to get the fans down to a dull roar. I'd really not reinstall. I'm running Gutsy Gibbon on the server and it has performed admirably, despite the hiccup with vmware server. (why it REQUIRES X is beyond me, but meh...) Any suggestions? Thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 20:52:31 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:51:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > odule still says it > can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 > (which is where the files should be, but......) did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 21:10:53 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Nov 6 21:10:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd ls: /etc/httpd: No such file or directory matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd/conf ls: /etc/httpd/conf: No such file or directory Tried that, didn't work. FIRESTORM_v1 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:52 PM, John D Choate wrote: > On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >> odule still says it >> can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 >> (which is where the files should be, but......) > > did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Fri Nov 7 00:00:30 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Fri Nov 7 00:03:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4913D97E.9030702@futuretechsolutions.com> I would try looking in the startup script in /etc/init.d to see if it gives any indication of where the config files should be located for your set-up. I would also look through the logs to see what error was thrown when trying to start apache. Charlie FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd > ls: /etc/httpd: No such file or directory > matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd/conf > ls: /etc/httpd/conf: No such file or directory > > > Tried that, didn't work. > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:52 PM, John D Choate wrote: >> On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>> odule still says it >>> can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 >>> (which is where the files should be, but......) >> did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From llewsircttam at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 16:53:53 2008 From: llewsircttam at gmail.com (Matt C) Date: Fri Nov 7 16:53:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <4913D97E.9030702@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> <4913D97E.9030702@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <18c79a160811071453h5fcf61afu26ddbc28b090d927@mail.gmail.com> apt-get --purge remove apache2 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-remove Apt will not touch config files unless you tell it to. So in your case tell it to remove them as they appear to be fubar'd... Then a reinstall should do the trick. If not I would highly recommend looking at the error logs and at the /etc/init.d and working your way back (as was previously recommended). On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Charles Hogan < cd_satl@futuretechsolutions.com> wrote: > I would try looking in the startup script in /etc/init.d to see if it gives > any indication of where the config files should be located for your set-up. > > I would also look through the logs to see what error was thrown when trying > to start apache. > > Charlie > > > FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > >> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd >> ls: /etc/httpd: No such file or directory >> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd/conf >> ls: /etc/httpd/conf: No such file or directory >> >> >> Tried that, didn't work. >> >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 >> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:52 PM, John D Choate wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>> >>>> odule still says it >>>> can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 >>>> (which is where the files should be, but......) >>>> >>> did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From PHolland64 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:10:01 2008 From: PHolland64 at gmail.com (Peter Holland) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:10:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter wants to add you as a friend :) Message-ID: <20081107231001.7D48C110041@web0.grouply.com> I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. Here is the link: http://www.grouply.com/register.php?r=1453096&vt=18004922 Peter ========================== Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM Click here to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite 103, Redwood City, CA 94063. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:10:06 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:10:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <18c79a160811071453h5fcf61afu26ddbc28b090d927@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> <4913D97E.9030702@futuretechsolutions.com> <18c79a160811071453h5fcf61afu26ddbc28b090d927@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470811071510v492ed9fcm9d1b8665225fbeb1@mail.gmail.com> I think the configs are all gone. :P hence why Apache won't start. And actually, after thinking about it, Apache DOES "start" but since it's not bound to any IP, not even localhost, it stalls out. I'll give this a try when I get home and see what luck I have with it. Thanks for the help, update coming soon. FIRESTORM_v1 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Matt C wrote: > apt-get --purge remove apache2 > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-remove > > Apt will not touch config files unless you tell it to. So in your case tell > it to remove them as they appear to be fubar'd... > > Then a reinstall should do the trick. > > If not I would highly recommend looking at the error logs and at the > /etc/init.d and working your way back (as was previously recommended). > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Charles Hogan < > cd_satl@futuretechsolutions.com> wrote: > >> I would try looking in the startup script in /etc/init.d to see if it gives >> any indication of where the config files should be located for your set-up. >> >> I would also look through the logs to see what error was thrown when trying >> to start apache. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >> >>> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd >>> ls: /etc/httpd: No such file or directory >>> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd/conf >>> ls: /etc/httpd/conf: No such file or directory >>> >>> >>> Tried that, didn't work. >>> >>> >>> FIRESTORM_v1 >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:52 PM, John D Choate wrote: >>> >>>> On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>>> >>>>> odule still says it >>>>> can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 >>>>> (which is where the files should be, but......) >>>>> >>>> did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>>> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Fri Nov 7 17:18:11 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:18:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter wants to add you as a friend :) In-Reply-To: <20081107231001.7D48C110041@web0.grouply.com> References: <20081107231001.7D48C110041@web0.grouply.com> Message-ID: <4914CCB3.1000401@suddenlink.net> Peter Holland wrote: > I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my > pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. > > Here is the link: http://www.grouply.com/register.php?r=1453096&vt=18004922 > > > Peter > > > > ========================== > Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM > > Click here to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite > 103, Redwood City, CA 94063. > > Well.........Isn't that SPEEEEECCCCCIAL! From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:24:47 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:24:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter wants to add you as a friend :) In-Reply-To: <4914CCB3.1000401@suddenlink.net> References: <20081107231001.7D48C110041@web0.grouply.com> <4914CCB3.1000401@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <294cd3d10811071524udf7bbf6t1434d029cd730ab9@mail.gmail.com> grouply is a online thing that wants your yahoo password and other passwords, can your say TROJAN???? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Peter Holland wrote: > >> I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my >> pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. >> Here is the link: >> http://www.grouply.com/register.php?r=1453096&vt=18004922 >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> ========================== Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM >> Click here to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite >> 103, Redwood City, CA 94063. >> >> > Well.........Isn't that SPEEEEECCCCCIAL! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:48:19 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:48:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Peter wants to add you as a friend :) In-Reply-To: <294cd3d10811071524udf7bbf6t1434d029cd730ab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081107231001.7D48C110041@web0.grouply.com> <4914CCB3.1000401@suddenlink.net> <294cd3d10811071524udf7bbf6t1434d029cd730ab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4914D3C3.70402@gmail.com> It looks like he got hacked. I unsubscribed him. -- Bruce country wrote: > grouply is a online thing that wants your yahoo password and other > passwords, can your say TROJAN???? > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> Peter Holland wrote: >> >>> I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my >>> pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. [ deleted ] From mkr777 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:56:00 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Fri Nov 7 17:56:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] GROUPLY WARNING Message-ID: This is stealing your identity and do not respond to Grouply. I have seen this on other maillists also and those who responded have regretted. mkr On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Peter Holland wrote: > I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my > pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. > > Here is the link: > http://www.grouply.com/register.php?r=1453096&vt=18004922 > > > Peter > > > > ========================== > Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM > > Click here to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite > 103, Redwood City, CA 94063. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From glenn.toothman at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:01:37 2008 From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country) Date: Fri Nov 7 18:01:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] GROUPLY WARNING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <294cd3d10811071601r24e9f80fwa923481331b22946@mail.gmail.com> It burries pier to pier hooks deep inside your system, as well as asking for your passwords etc.. several that I know have had to completely reformat their systems and rebuild to get rid of the grouply problem.// On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM, MKR wrote: > This is stealing your identity and do not respond to Grouply. I have seen > this on other maillists also and those who responded have regretted. > > mkr > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Peter Holland > wrote: > > > I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with > my > > pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. > > > > Here is the link: > > http://www.grouply.com/register.php?r=1453096&vt=18004922 > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ========================== > > Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM > > > > Click here to block all emails from Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite > > 103, Redwood City, CA 94063. > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Ft. Leonard Wood '65 Ft. Devens '65-'66 138th Avn Co (RR) 66-67 HHC USASATR Ft Devens 67-68 507th USASAE SPD 68-70 138th Avn Co (RR) 70-71 293rd Avn Co (SA) 71 - 72 From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:10:18 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Nov 7 18:10:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Reinstall apache2? In-Reply-To: <869de8470811071510v492ed9fcm9d1b8665225fbeb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811061834y1277eed5s919b253736176717@mail.gmail.com> <200811062052.31712.jdchoate@gmail.com> <869de8470811061910s401069d8rc9914627744ecb20@mail.gmail.com> <4913D97E.9030702@futuretechsolutions.com> <18c79a160811071453h5fcf61afu26ddbc28b090d927@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470811071510v492ed9fcm9d1b8665225fbeb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470811071610v5836363fpf5ec56ffcc1bc2f7@mail.gmail.com> Well.. I got it working. In case anyone else gets the same error I did, here's what happened. I got apache2 reinstalled but again it refused to start. After doing some research, I found that it was due to the fact that I had two "LISTEN" statements in the config. There's a LISTEN statement in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and another one in /etc/apache2/ports.conf One of those need to be commented out. Since the ports.conf looks like it's SUPPOSED to have those in there, I went ahead and commented out the one in httpd.conf. Now for the fun part. Has anyone had any luck using apache2 with Webmin? What version did you use? (Remember, webmin started this whole horse mess for me in the beginning. Thanks for your help! FIRESTORM_v1 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I think the configs are all gone. :P hence why Apache won't start. > > And actually, after thinking about it, Apache DOES "start" but since > it's not bound to any IP, not even localhost, it stalls out. > > I'll give this a try when I get home and see what luck I have with it. > Thanks for the help, update coming soon. > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Matt C wrote: >> apt-get --purge remove apache2 >> >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-remove >> >> Apt will not touch config files unless you tell it to. So in your case tell >> it to remove them as they appear to be fubar'd... >> >> Then a reinstall should do the trick. >> >> If not I would highly recommend looking at the error logs and at the >> /etc/init.d and working your way back (as was previously recommended). >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Charles Hogan < >> cd_satl@futuretechsolutions.com> wrote: >> >>> I would try looking in the startup script in /etc/init.d to see if it gives >>> any indication of where the config files should be located for your set-up. >>> >>> I would also look through the logs to see what error was thrown when trying >>> to start apache. >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>> >>>> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd >>>> ls: /etc/httpd: No such file or directory >>>> matt@MTOLYMPUS:~$ ls /etc/httpd/conf >>>> ls: /etc/httpd/conf: No such file or directory >>>> >>>> >>>> Tried that, didn't work. >>>> >>>> >>>> FIRESTORM_v1 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:52 PM, John D Choate wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday 06 November 2008 20:34:21 FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> odule still says it >>>>>> can't find the configuration files. I've tried specifying /etc/apache2 >>>>>> (which is where the files should be, but......) >>>>>> >>>>> did you look in /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf/ ? >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > From willisouth at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:59:07 2008 From: willisouth at gmail.com (Will Southworth) Date: Fri Nov 7 18:59:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ok, I admit it Message-ID: <826127c70811071659g6d8d6274v82e371eef65c8f1f@mail.gmail.com> I need help. I'm trying to uninstall Red Hat 6.4 and trying to put on Ubuntu 8.4 Will anyone at the computer show be there to help me? --Bill From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:08:14 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Nov 7 20:08:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply Message-ID: <7e4994a70811071808v1ae57035i1b1c4378d0255ba5@mail.gmail.com> what exactly is grouply? i joined because someone i know did. now it keeps sending me invites or rather messages that someone who knows someone has joined too. i thought it was like facebook or a social networking thing. i'm not understanding what it is i guess...cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:29:31 2008 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Nov 7 20:29:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 8.10 is presently trash... In-Reply-To: <345e55a50811061710i66581f83k9304b05abb7933e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <490E5EB6.4060202@gmail.com> <490EFC20.2080506@comcast.net> <490F57A1.1000007@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811031620u34551f4kbd0e92f5cb397e36@mail.gmail.com> <4910BAF9.4040604@gmail.com> <31bde60e0811041507x1bcfd69aq6e512b83abe841d1@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50811050742u4bf67fe8v10e2d5e26ffad64d@mail.gmail.com> <345e55a50811061710i66581f83k9304b05abb7933e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345e55a50811071829h5f4a59b4xd0d69731d4c8ab7e@mail.gmail.com> Another update. Both of my Kubuntu 8.10 machines are working fine. I had to run the same command to reconfigure the xserver-xorg package to recreate the xorg.conf file and then that machine worked fine too. I did that over ssh since the screen wasn't working. No fried video card or monitor. Greg On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Greg Willden wrote: > A continuing report... > > I am having some odd problems with 8.10 and KDE 4. I just powered on > the machine and some of the taskbar icons are missing. I especially > noticed the K-menu was gone. It was easy to replace it but that's a > bit weird. That is on my spare home machine. > > I also upgraded my spare work machine to 8.10 and the result is pretty > bad. After the mandatory reboot the video went away and reseting or > powering off the box does not bring it back. I then - perhaps > stupidly - switched to the VGA port on the video card (I was using > DVI) and once X started up the screen went blank and never came back > after a reboot. > > Perhaps all the Xorg upgrades to reduce what is in the xorg.conf file > doesn't work very well yet and fried my video card. > That is a bit of a bummer. > > So I am 1-1 with upgrades to "Ibex". That's not very good. > Beware the Intrepid Ibex. It looks like it needs a few more months of growth. > YMMV > Greg > -- > To know recursion, you must first know recursion. > -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Nov 7 21:02:55 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Nov 7 21:02:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ok, I admit it Message-ID: <20081107190255.6F140D4A@resin14.mta.everyone.net> Bring your computer, keyboard, mouse and monitor, we should be able to help. Nathan --- willisouth@gmail.com wrote: From: "Will Southworth" To: "satlug@satlug.org" Subject: [SATLUG] Ok, I admit it Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:59:07 -0600 I need help. I'm trying to uninstall Red Hat 6.4 and trying to put on Ubuntu 8.4 Will anyone at the computer show be there to help me? --Bill -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Nov 7 23:01:17 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Nov 7 23:01:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70811071808v1ae57035i1b1c4378d0255ba5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70811071808v1ae57035i1b1c4378d0255ba5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49151D1D.5000601@shlrm.org> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > what exactly is grouply? i joined because someone i know did. now it keeps > sending me invites or rather messages that someone who knows someone has > joined too. i thought it was like facebook or a social networking thing. > i'm not understanding what it is i guess...cheryl > It would appear that it's a fairly evil site. So go change any passwords you may have entered into the site, not through the site, and ensure that you're not using the same password for grouply anywhere else. Oh, and do it from a knoppix live cd. That's what I'd do. And I'd not run windows, especially if grouply installed anything. David From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Nov 7 23:05:36 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Nov 7 23:05:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply In-Reply-To: <49151D1D.5000601@shlrm.org> References: <7e4994a70811071808v1ae57035i1b1c4378d0255ba5@mail.gmail.com> <49151D1D.5000601@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <49151E20.2090705@shlrm.org> David Kowis wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> what exactly is grouply? i joined because someone i know did. now it >> keeps >> sending me invites or rather messages that someone who knows someone has >> joined too. i thought it was like facebook or a social networking thing. >> i'm not understanding what it is i guess...cheryl >> > > > It would appear that it's a fairly evil site. So go change any passwords > you may have entered into the site, not through the site, and ensure > that you're not using the same password for grouply anywhere else. Oh, > and do it from a knoppix live cd. > > That's what I'd do. And I'd not run windows, especially if grouply > installed anything. > David > Actually it would appear that my initial assessment is possibly inaccurate: http://www.ncs-tech.org/?p=1146 However, http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?p=508572 So read those, and make your own decision. I don't think I'll be grouply-ing, at all, ever. David From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Nov 8 08:29:09 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Nov 8 08:29:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply Message-ID: <6f11c3e2e330481382a5fc6d2da1490b.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >what exactly is grouply? i joined because someone i know did. now it >keeps sending me invites or rather messages that someone who knows >someone has joined too. i thought it was like facebook or a social >networking thing. i'm not understanding what it is i guess...cheryl ------------------------------------------------------ If you don't know a person/site requesting information, and don't like Trojans, Bots, or Spam, follow these two simple rules. 1. Do not respond and delete the email. 2. Remember rule #1 Remember, curiosity killed the cat. Lou From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Nov 8 11:46:12 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:45:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hex replacemnent in vi Message-ID: <200811081746.mA8HkCNS016051@biochem.uthscsa.edu> How do I replace a hex character in a text file with vi? Normally, to globally replace a string I do: :%s/string1/string2/g But how do you represent the string if it is not an ASCII character, but some binary code in the file, say 0xA0 (octal: 240, decimal: 160)? To get rid of it, I tried: :%s/0xA0//g or :%/\xA0//g but that didn't work. Suggestions? Thanks, -b. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Nov 8 12:02:14 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Nov 8 12:01:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hex replacemnent in vi Message-ID: <200811081802.mA8I2Emv020148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> One additional point: when I use sed on the command line it works like I would expect it, just not when I use it as a command from within vi: sed 's/\xA0//g' in_file > out_file strips 0xA0 from 'in_file' as I would expect it, but not in vi. What am I doing wrong? -b. > How do I replace a hex character in a text file with vi? > Normally, to globally replace a string I do: > > :%s/string1/string2/g > > But how do you represent the string if it is not an ASCII character, > but some binary code in the file, say 0xA0 (octal: 240, decimal: 160)? > > To get rid of it, I tried: > > :%s/0xA0//g > > or > > :%/\xA0//g I meant to write: :%s/\xA0//g > > but that didn't work. Suggestions? > > Thanks, > -b. > From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 12:58:05 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Nov 8 12:58:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hex replacemnent in vi In-Reply-To: <200811081802.mA8I2Emv020148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200811081802.mA8I2Emv020148@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > One additional point: > > when I use sed on the command line it works like I would > expect it, just not when I use it as a command from within vi: > > sed 's/\xA0//g' in_file > out_file > > strips 0xA0 from 'in_file' as I would expect it, but not in vi. > What am I doing wrong? > > -b. > >> How do I replace a hex character in a text file with vi? >> Normally, to globally replace a string I do: >> >> :%s/string1/string2/g >> >> But how do you represent the string if it is not an ASCII character, >> but some binary code in the file, say 0xA0 (octal: 240, decimal: 160)? >> >> To get rid of it, I tried: >> >> :%s/0xA0//g >> >> or >> >> :%/\xA0//g > I meant to write: > > :%s/\xA0//g >> >> but that didn't work. Suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> -b. >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > [From the archives]------------------------------------------------------------------------- from Borries Demeler reply-to The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List to Kase Saylor cc Satlug Mailing List date Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 4:04 PM subject Re: [SATLUG] searching for a hexvalue with vi mailing list satlug.satlug.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by satlug.org Reply > I accidentally typed "Ctrl - c" instead of "Ctrl - v". I apologize for=20 > adding confusion to your problem. > > -Kase Bingo!! That did it :-) Thanks so much for helping me through it - problem solved! From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Nov 8 14:09:48 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Nov 8 14:09:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hex replacemnent in vi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200811082009.mA8K9msR017719@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Robert, thanks! I forgot the ctrl - v - I must be getting into these senior moments :-) -b. > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Borries Demeler > wrote: > > One additional point: > > > > when I use sed on the command line it works like I would > > expect it, just not when I use it as a command from within vi: > > > > sed 's/\xA0//g' in_file > out_file > > > > strips 0xA0 from 'in_file' as I would expect it, but not in vi. > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > -b. > > > >> How do I replace a hex character in a text file with vi? > >> Normally, to globally replace a string I do: > >> > >> :%s/string1/string2/g > >> > >> But how do you represent the string if it is not an ASCII character, > >> but some binary code in the file, say 0xA0 (octal: 240, decimal: 160)? > >> > >> To get rid of it, I tried: > >> > >> :%s/0xA0//g > >> > >> or > >> > >> :%/\xA0//g > > I meant to write: > > > > :%s/\xA0//g > >> > >> but that didn't work. Suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -b. > >> > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > [From the archives]------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > from Borries Demeler > reply-to The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > to Kase Saylor > cc Satlug Mailing List > date Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 4:04 PM > subject Re: [SATLUG] searching for a hexvalue with vi > mailing list satlug.satlug.org Filter messages from this mailing list > mailed-by satlug.org > > > Reply > > > > I accidentally typed "Ctrl - c" instead of "Ctrl - v". I apologize for=20 > > adding confusion to your problem. > > > > -Kase > > Bingo!! That did it :-) > Thanks so much for helping me through it - problem solved! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 16:34:41 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:34:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply In-Reply-To: <6f11c3e2e330481382a5fc6d2da1490b.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6f11c3e2e330481382a5fc6d2da1490b.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <49161401.8050301@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> what exactly is grouply? i joined because someone i know did. now it >> keeps sending me invites or rather messages that someone who knows >> someone has joined too. i thought it was like facebook or a social >> networking thing. i'm not understanding what it is i guess...cheryl >> > ------------------------------------------------------ > If you don't know a person/site requesting information, and don't > like Trojans, Bots, or Spam, follow these two simple rules. > > 1. Do not respond and delete the email. > 2. Remember rule #1 > > Remember, curiosity killed the cat. > > Even the best write-ups I've seen in InformationWeek, /., ARS Tech and other publications suggests that you /NOT/ hook up to them if you have personal or financial information on either Yahoo or Google. One of the requirements to join Grouply, is that you surrender /ALL/ of your account passwords on both for the system to do its mashup properly. They promise to be "good people" with your personal account info, but, one disgruntled employee can kill that in a major hurry... Best idea? /Not.../ > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 02:40:58 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Nov 10 02:41:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] grouply, david and lou Message-ID: <7e4994a70811100040q70701807l8ee9add21f9cc4aa@mail.gmail.com> Thank you both for answering and david for the links. I found them very helpful. I don't use win, i run Hardy Heron...don't think i can get trojans or viruses on linux right? i did join because someone i know did and invited me. i have however asked them to remove me from their database and recd a reply from them on how to do this through their website. guess i'll change my passwords, even though i don't keep a yahoo wallet or anything like that including credit card info on line...i always use paypal or call in to pay for things. i think i should be safe except for spam? thanks again cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 02:43:56 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Nov 10 02:43:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] thank you too ed! Message-ID: <7e4994a70811100043s4848c4faub3cd79609385c211@mail.gmail.com> -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Nov 12 06:39:39 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Nov 12 06:39:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] looking to trade Message-ID: <491ACE8B.6030809@grandecom.net> I have 2 1 gig sticks of DDR2 800mhz dual channel ram. I need 2 1 gig sticks of DDR 333 dual channel ram. anyone interested in making a trade let me know offlist. Thanks Todd From erichaugen at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 11:47:56 2008 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Wed Nov 12 11:47:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] If the Matrix ran Windows Message-ID: <674b98ac0811120947w5452d4ddn1caeaa01fdedc82a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 - EAH From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Nov 12 13:48:10 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Nov 12 13:48:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] If the Matrix ran Windows In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0811120947w5452d4ddn1caeaa01fdedc82a@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0811120947w5452d4ddn1caeaa01fdedc82a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491B32FA.1020709@grandecom.net> Eric Haugen wrote: > http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 > > - EAH > now thats good tv Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 10:32:17 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Nov 13 10:31:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] If the Matrix ran Windows In-Reply-To: <491B32FA.1020709@grandecom.net> References: <674b98ac0811120947w5452d4ddn1caeaa01fdedc82a@mail.gmail.com> <491B32FA.1020709@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <491C5691.6040700@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Eric Haugen wrote: >> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 >> >> - EAH >> > now thats good tv Definitely works for me! Cheers; Ed From satlugacct at jchampion.com Thu Nov 13 11:38:06 2008 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Thu Nov 13 11:38:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] If the Matrix ran Windows In-Reply-To: <491C5691.6040700@gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0811120947w5452d4ddn1caeaa01fdedc82a@mail.gmail.com> <491B32FA.1020709@grandecom.net> <491C5691.6040700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1cb556d10811130938x11546336h140cbe9fd32a38bf@mail.gmail.com> that was funny. thank you to whomever put this out for us. i needed the laugh today. john On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM, ed wrote: > > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> Eric Haugen wrote: >> >>> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 >>> >>> - EAH >>> >>> >> now thats good tv >> > Definitely works for me! > > Cheers; > > Ed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From president at satlug.org Thu Nov 13 12:59:50 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:59:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting tonight Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0811131059m373e19es85552a96f47d50f3@mail.gmail.com> Hello all! We are having a meeting tonight. I apologize for not sending this out sooner but things have been hectic at work. We don't have anything formal for the meeting (that I'm aware of.) I don't know if I'm going to be able to make the meeting or if I'm just going to be late. Jim From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 16:54:15 2008 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Thu Nov 13 16:54:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems Message-ID: Hello all, Are there any USB 56k modems that support Linux natively? If so, any suggestions on which I should get? Regards, Benjamin _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 18:17:52 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Nov 13 18:17:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <491CC3B0.8060508@gmail.com> Benjamin Temple wrote: > Hello all, > Are there any USB 56k modems that support Linux natively? > If so, any suggestions on which I should get? An external RS-232 based modem will always work. I can give you mine if you want. I haven't used it in years. It's not USB but though. -- Bruce From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Nov 13 18:27:22 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Nov 13 18:27:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems Message-ID: >Are there any USB 56k modems that support Linux natively? If so, any suggestions on which I should get? --------------------- Depending on what Linux distribution you use, a hardware modem (uP based ) is your best bet, unless you have unlimited time and don't get frustrated. Since you specify USB, I believe a USR5637 is hardware based and will do the job. You might check Ebay for a used one, Tiger Direct sells the USR5637 for $49.99 HTH Lou From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 00:59:27 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Fri Nov 14 00:59:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Anyone with a sprint aircard, please read Message-ID: <869de8470811132259k1037576aqa6969b9a365ebd0c@mail.gmail.com> I wanted to share with you something that just happened with me concerning my Sprint aircard, or more specifically their data service. About a year ago, I signed a contract with Sprint to get an aircard with an "unlimited" data package. At time of signing, I asked the agent if there were any caps, restrictions, usage rates, etc that I need to know about. The agent replied (and at the time he was correct) that there were no restrictions on the use of Sprint's data service. Keep in mind, I am talking about the data service associated with the aircard, a dedicated hardware cellular modem, not any phone+data packages. After doing a quick look at my account and checking usage, I came across a link on the aircard's usage that said "data rate limitations may apply". Further examination revealed that my previously "unlimited" data service now has a 5GB cap. I conferred with several friends who also have these aircards and their independent research returned mixed results. Some of them reported no data cap, some said that was for new data plans only and some said that this was for all aircard-based service. After an exhaustive inquiry with Sprint, I was dismayed to find out that all cellcard data packages are now limited to 5GB/month with 5c/100MB overage. I was concerned that I was not informed of the policy which went into effect November 1st and the agent told me that there was a mass mailout done about this change. He reviewed my account but did not find the information indicating that I was part of that mailing. He extended to me the offer in the mailing which was an opportunity to disconnect my aircard and data plan without incurring the $200 early termination fee. I chatted with my friends who use Sprint's aircard service and informed them of this and none of them received the mailing either. Several of them live outside major cities where an aircard is their only internet connection that isn't dialup and they are equally upset about this change. They, like me are going to be terminating their contracts with Sprint within the next few days. From what I understand, there are no providers allowing unlimited data connectivity using an aircard. Cricket Wireless with their claim of unlimited data goes further in the nefarious act by saying that you can't use their service for streaming video, TV rebroadcast(slingboxes) etc, and that if you use more than 5G/mo you are up to no good. I'm posting this to SATLUG and XCSSA because I'm sure I'm not the only geek with an aircard and I don't want anyone else to find out the way I did. thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 13:42:02 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:42:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:54:15 -0500 > From: Benjamin Temple > Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems > To: "satlug@satlug.org" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello all, > Are there any USB 56k modems that support Linux natively? If so, any suggestions on which I should get? > Regards, > Benjamin You could look around this site for some ideas. http://modemdriver.com/winmodems.htm#Database Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From siffland at nerdshack.com Sat Nov 15 10:14:22 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Sat Nov 15 10:14:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse Message-ID: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going crazy....... Sean From dkowis at shlrm.org Sat Nov 15 11:11:09 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:11:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491F02AD.7020201@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sean I wrote: | I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i | call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. | I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There | were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said | i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it | (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this | list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they | reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T | is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a | choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i | make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave | a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the | uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster | than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going | crazy....... | I don't believe you've got a choice. I pay $40 a month for 6mbit down 1mbit up. I've got FTTH, though, no copper between me an the internet. Theoretically, the shorter the copper is, the more you can cram over it, thanks to a lack of attenuation. That said, i haven't had too many problems with ATT. I wish I could get verizon's FTTH service 20mbit/20mbit, but they don't exist here, otherwise ATT'd go out of bizness. Oh and so would Time Warner. Anyways, It's a lesser of two evils thing. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJHwKtAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObbRIL/iWU5mRhEkAaZWDCaQxDO61h Z1qlkejuI1oVcslPGFEdYO5GAP3zrdP0iF5tZhMvsohxXF691c4zJLw7ZB6Ldc0i DwO453yL98ZGdpSj7+07gbKTOEisYoWJ3cxmPwbr752IUNFm9MvqmaQEEt4+r1el dY+tjsONTL/bgHY72Sy+xPRAd7rZqw2OUmT5eBhPrOvO1+aFcyMZObNW0lsa6eT3 fswq1OR5755r2CZcfcBI1UXCnLbvQYasCaZqrbixPi1tBw+k59+A9nOFANkXb0jq 2QW6Lpt5pr1MAuJSopAzYHhg0ZhMBLDS/oNWx0vn9rKZg/au5UkOVvBBm+LQkqSU r2xMjHmk7LPFNUoUtH3gJc1pBie6+riBxBSf+/8dnh+oB6yw1Aiz1Cw+nXZmWDg5 awuvg7si6gLOLW6t3DBKmBXke/JV/1ZH2t8gX3F6eMH0Pg1qehKg9Jea5k5hTsoI XMLQWYUMRQwnpKe1U/m5Xuqi3+NdJ/iNV2cNjR3iNg== =UlMa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:13:21 2008 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:13:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0811150913i7327dbebte056274785bbed44@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Sean I wrote: > I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i > call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. > I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There > were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said > i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it > (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this > list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they > reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T > is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a > choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i > make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave > a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the > uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster > than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going > crazy....... > > Sean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) I love my U-verse but there are something you have to live with when you get it. The first is that you only get 4 streams (2hd/2sd) This means you can only watch or record 4 channels at any given time. If you have more than 4 televisions I wouldn't do it. The DSL is fine I have the middle tier and it downloads just fine for my taste. I ran the speedtest.net just now and got 2827kb/s up and 931kb/s down. Some of the things I really like is the whole house DVR, This allows me to watch the DVR from any TV in the house and doesn't count against your streams so if the wife is recording three things and I'm watching the Spurs the kids can grab a movie off the DVR. Zeb From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 12:35:56 2008 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS) Date: Sat Nov 15 12:36:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <564523.78880.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I had uverse. What I did like about it was that it seemed to give a better picture. There DSL was fine for everthing I did. I did not have digital phone service with them stayed with POTS did no like the fact that when cable was down phone was down. The only trouble we had was the picture kept freezing up. Got to know several techs by first name. I will say that there tech service is great, they?give you a 2 hour window and usually are early.?Changed back to TW cable only due to the savings for the next year. AT&T could not match price. ? Dennis?????? --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Sean I wrote: From: Sean I Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse To: "Satlug" Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 10:14 AM I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going crazy....... Sean -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 13:38:42 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Nov 15 13:38:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New Ubuntu distro and ARM processors Message-ID: I grabbed a small tidbit of info from the web and posted it to my blog http://www.smbtechadvice.com/ about the next version of Ubuntu having a slightly customized version tailored for ARM processors. Theoretically the battery life should exceed 8 hours. Check it out if you're interested. On a side note...has anyone bought any of the new MacBooks (the ones with the 'unibody' construction)? How are they? I kind of want one, but the price is a little high. I'm hoping that there are some other side benefits that may tip the balance away from Dell. The OS is not one of them at all. I just like the design and 'light weight' of the new MacBooks. Thanks, Ernest From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Nov 15 15:09:11 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sat Nov 15 15:09:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse Message-ID: <491F3A77.2000800@cis.sac.accd.edu> Zeb Fletcher Wrote: > I love my U-verse but there are something you have to live with when you get > it. The first is that you only get 4 streams (2hd/2sd) This means you can > only watch or record 4 channels at any given time. If you have more than 4 > televisions I wouldn't do it. The DSL is fine I have the middle tier and it > downloads just fine for my taste. I ran the speedtest.net just now and got > 2827kb/s up and 931kb/s down. Some of the things I really like is the whole > house DVR, This allows me to watch the DVR from any TV in the house and > doesn't count against your streams so if the wife is recording three things > and I'm watching the Spurs the kids can grab a movie off the DVR. > > > Zeb I may be missing something here but with TWC I have a two year contract where for HD + HDSHO + Internet + DVDR I pay 104.80, tax etc. included and it is guaranteed for two years. Just now using my MacBook with Wireless at www.speedtest.net I got 19798kbs down and 1880kbs up with the slowest in my history being 12580/1842 and fastest 25805/1904. Iam paying too much or just lucky with my internet, or am I not seeing the true picture. I do however get the momentary freeze frame occasionally in HD viewing so it is not perfect but compared to my work speeds at SAC I'm in speed heaven with TWC. I'm on every day and usually hours at a time and while looking at some HD at the same time -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Nov 15 16:06:25 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Nov 15 16:06:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse Message-ID: <02a6dc61c1b144ad809b7fdb60205614.scs@worldlinkisp.com> My son had ATT DSL (w/o ATT phone service), it worked fine until it quit. I went in and checked out his equipment and found nothing wrong. Had him obtain and try a different modem without success, told him to tell them it was their problem. Finally after three weeks ATT finally sent a tech to his house and determined there was a line problem (break) in the alley. Another two weeks and they had not fixed it after many more calls. He told them to stuff-it and to credit him for billing. This may be an isolated incident, however, it doesn't speak well of their support. Have experienced similar problems, although not as prolonged, getting support from Embarq DSL in Humble, in one incident, someone had disconnected it at their mainframe. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 17:59:53 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Nov 15 17:59:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <564523.78880.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> <564523.78880.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0811151559m50db6f69pedbd18fc5554a94@mail.gmail.com> Regarding downtime .. In most areas they guarantee 4-8 hours of battery time in the event of power failures. Even time warner has cable modems with battery modules to keep the digital phone service running. Also, just because the internet circuit for your computer is down doesn't mean the phone will be down as well On 11/15/08, HAYES DENNIS wrote: > I had uverse. What I did like about it was that it seemed to give a better > picture. There DSL was fine for everthing I did. I did not have digital > phone service with them stayed with POTS did no like the fact that when > cable was down phone was down. The only trouble we had was the picture kept > freezing up. Got to know several techs by first name. I will say that there > tech service is great, they give you a 2 hour window and usually are > early. Changed back to TW cable only due to the savings for the next year. > AT&T could not match price. > > Dennis > > --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Sean I wrote: > > From: Sean I > Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > To: "Satlug" > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 10:14 AM > > I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i > call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. > I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There > were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said > i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it > (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this > list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they > reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T > is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a > choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i > make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave > a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the > uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster > than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going > crazy....... > > Sean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 19:14:16 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Nov 15 19:14:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:14:22 -0600 > From: "Sean I" > Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > To: Satlug > Message-ID: > <3ae131d00811150814u32074c98x9d04f8b48e430610@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i < SNIP > Up around I-10 and DeZavala we are using the *up to* 1.5Mbit DSL service from ATT, and it has proved to be reliable and adequate, but usually gives around 1.25Mbit downloads. It is delivered over a copper pair so has nothing to do with Uverse. We are now paying $25 per month, although it started at $15 about 3 years ago. No hosanas, but it is cheap (like me). Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux 56k modems (Howard Haradon) > 2. OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse (Sean I) > 3. Re: OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse (David Kowis) > 4. Re: OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse (Zeb Fletcher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:42:02 -0600 > From: "Howard Haradon" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:54:15 -0500 >> From: Benjamin Temple >> Subject: [SATLUG] Linux 56k modems >> To: "satlug@satlug.org" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello all, >> Are there any USB 56k modems that support Linux natively? If so, any suggestions on which I should get? >> Regards, >> Benjamin > > You could look around this site for some ideas. > > http://modemdriver.com/winmodems.htm#Database > > Good luck, Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > > call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. > I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There > were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said > i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it > (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this > list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they > reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T > is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a > choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i > make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave > a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the > uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster > than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going > crazy....... > > Sean > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:11:09 -0600 > From: David Kowis > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <491F02AD.7020201@shlrm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Sean I wrote: > | I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i > | call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. > | I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There > | were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said > | i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it > | (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this > | list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they > | reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T > | is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a > | choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i > | make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave > | a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the > | uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster > | than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going > | crazy....... > | > > I don't believe you've got a choice. I pay $40 a month for 6mbit down > 1mbit up. I've got FTTH, though, no copper between me an the internet. > Theoretically, the shorter the copper is, the more you can cram over it, > thanks to a lack of attenuation. > > That said, i haven't had too many problems with ATT. I wish I could get > verizon's FTTH service 20mbit/20mbit, but they don't exist here, > otherwise ATT'd go out of bizness. Oh and so would Time Warner. > > Anyways, It's a lesser of two evils thing. > > - -- > David Kowis > > www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! > www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJHwKtAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObbRIL/iWU5mRhEkAaZWDCaQxDO61h > Z1qlkejuI1oVcslPGFEdYO5GAP3zrdP0iF5tZhMvsohxXF691c4zJLw7ZB6Ldc0i > DwO453yL98ZGdpSj7+07gbKTOEisYoWJ3cxmPwbr752IUNFm9MvqmaQEEt4+r1el > dY+tjsONTL/bgHY72Sy+xPRAd7rZqw2OUmT5eBhPrOvO1+aFcyMZObNW0lsa6eT3 > fswq1OR5755r2CZcfcBI1UXCnLbvQYasCaZqrbixPi1tBw+k59+A9nOFANkXb0jq > 2QW6Lpt5pr1MAuJSopAzYHhg0ZhMBLDS/oNWx0vn9rKZg/au5UkOVvBBm+LQkqSU > r2xMjHmk7LPFNUoUtH3gJc1pBie6+riBxBSf+/8dnh+oB6yw1Aiz1Cw+nXZmWDg5 > awuvg7si6gLOLW6t3DBKmBXke/JV/1ZH2t8gX3F6eMH0Pg1qehKg9Jea5k5hTsoI > XMLQWYUMRQwnpKe1U/m5Xuqi3+NdJ/iNV2cNjR3iNg== > =UlMa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:13:21 -0600 > From: "Zeb Fletcher" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > <128bff2f0811150913i7327dbebte056274785bbed44@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Sean I wrote: > >> I am finally fed up with time Warner, my bill keeps increasing and i >> call them every month and they take stuff off but it is getting old. >> I was thinking about DSL (yeah i know slower but still works). There >> were a few guys here about 2 weeks ago peddling Uverse for at&t, said >> i was one of the only houses in the neighborhood that could get it >> (which i doubt but i played along). I remember some people on this >> list shunning uverse and telling of the badness of it, could they >> reiterate on it so i have some more information. If i do go to AT&T >> is it better to get the uverse stuff or straight DSL, or do i have a >> choice? I would just like to hear from people who have it before i >> make a decision (this will effect my phone and cable too, when i leave >> a service i leave it all). Of course the two blokes peddling the >> uverse were explaining to me how their 10GB fiber backbone was faster >> than roadrunner 15Gb backbone, made me wonder if i was just going >> crazy....... >> >> Sean >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > I love my U-verse but there are something you have to live with when you get > it. The first is that you only get 4 streams (2hd/2sd) This means you can > only watch or record 4 channels at any given time. If you have more than 4 > televisions I wouldn't do it. The DSL is fine I have the middle tier and it > downloads just fine for my taste. I ran the speedtest.net just now and got > 2827kb/s up and 931kb/s down. Some of the things I really like is the whole > house DVR, This allows me to watch the DVR from any TV in the house and > doesn't count against your streams so if the wife is recording three things > and I'm watching the Spurs the kids can grab a movie off the DVR. > > > Zeb > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 58, Issue 15 > ************************************** > From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Nov 16 09:38:50 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sun Nov 16 09:38:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New MacBooks Message-ID: <49203E8A.1090900@cis.sac.accd.edu> > > > > [SATLUG] New Ubuntu distro and ARM processors > > *Ernest De Leon* edeleonjr at gmail.com > > /Sat Nov 15 13:38:42 CST 2008/ > > * Previous message: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > > * Next message: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse > > * *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] > > [ thread ] > > [ subject ] > > [ author ] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I grabbed a small tidbit of info from the web and posted it to my blog > http://www.smbtechadvice.com/ about the next version of Ubuntu having a > slightly customized version tailored for ARM processors. Theoretically the > battery life should exceed 8 hours. Check it out if you're interested. > > On a side note...has anyone bought any of the new MacBooks (the ones with > the 'unibody' construction)? How are they? I kind of want one, but the > price is a little high. I'm hoping that there are some other side benefits > that may tip the balance away from Dell. The OS is not one of them at all. > I just like the design and 'light weight' of the new MacBooks. > > Thanks, > Ernest > I have a black 2.0 and a white1.83 and I was lusting after the new one also. It will be a while before I can justify/afford one. I wanted the backlit keyboard but it only comes on the $1599.00 model. From my viewpoint it has: Nivida 256MB video card but only does 1280x1024 has LCD backlit video, saves battery and looks great backlit keyboard is light sensitive battery/memory/hd compartment as one and much better light weight vs Black Macbook ceramic touch pad, multi finger sensitive .. nice up to 6 hour battery life {my 3hour battery lasts all day for me} The only thing is the new MacBook Pro 15" is made of the same uni-body construction and has 2 nvidia cards with 512MB with more features etc. for $1999.00 Truth the MacBook is over priced but every thing just works and work well. For 1599.00 - 1999.00 I bet we could get a Linux Build Notebook that would "just work" also. If I can ever get the hibernate/suspend features of Linux to work as well as Apple and with the reduced power usage, I'd sell my MacBooks, but until then, I'll just have Linux a virtual client inside of Fusion and Virtual Box. Seems like being a traitor to Linux and SATLUG but I'm so busy now that always fiddling and re-installing just takes too much time. I did find a dual boot with MacBook/Ubuntu I'm thinking of trying but not till the semester is done. BTW I rarely ever shutdown the MAC I just close the lid, come back and I'm right where was 8 hours ago and only 5% less battery. The last test I created took me 3 days and I never saved it until done and that was in a parallels virtual XP shell. Keeping the environment I'm in up and right where I left off is nice, especially when you have CRS. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Nov 16 10:01:06 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:01:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New MacBooks -> now hibernate/suspend In-Reply-To: <49203E8A.1090900@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200811161601.mAGG16Qp019024@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > would "just work" also. If I can ever get the hibernate/suspend features of > Linux to work as well as Apple and with the reduced power usage, I'd sell > my MacBooks, but until then, I'll just have Linux a virtual client inside of Here is a page I found that explains pretty well what can be done: http://www.linux.com/feature/54610 Seems like it is possible, but haven't tried it. TuxonIce also seems like a possibility: http://www.tuxonice.net/features -b. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 16 14:44:33 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Nov 16 14:44:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] XCSSA Meeting: Microcontrollers and C64 Hacking... (Mon, November 17th, 7pm); ' In-Reply-To: <200811151754.26768.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200811151754.26768.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200811161444.33852.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> FYI.. The web site is updated with more details on Monday's XCSSA meeting: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-11-17.html#NEXT If you want to RSVP for the Tuesday night IEEE meeting at Rackspace, see the PDF link below. Tweeks On Saturday 15 November 2008 05:54:26 pm X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: > Xtoic Computer Systems of San Antonio * > \_____\________\__________\___\______X > \________\__________\___\_____C > \__________\___\____S > \___\___S > \__A > (* this email is best viewed in fixed fonts) > http://xcssa.org > > Hey all! > More exciting demos and presentations this month. > > First up.. the formal presentation: > > The Arduino Open Source Microcontroller Platform, and I/O > Interfacing By Tweeks > > Which will be a combination of several previous Arduino microcontroller > sessions all rolled into one. Also good if you're still wanting to get an > overview of various microcontroller families, or just jump right into > Hardware Hacking but don't know how to get started. This presentation is > actually my practice talk for a repeat for the local IEEE Computer Society > chapter that I'm presenting for on Tuesday night (at Rackspace). If > anyone's interested in attending, contact this lady before Monday > afternoon: Yu Zhang > yzhang at cs.trinity.edu > > Details are here: http://theweeks.org/tmp/CSMeetingFlyerNov18-08.pdf > > It sounds like we also have Robert and others bringing in some hacked up > classic C64 hardware w/some special hardware.. More to see there. > > > That's about it for Monday night (or all that was reported in). > I'll try and get the website updated later tonight. > > As always, we'll be at our regular meeting place, int the basement (room > 025) of the Nail Technical Center on San Antonio College Campus at 7pm. > Map here: http://xcssa.org/#MAP > > Hope to see you there! > > > Tweeks > President of XCSSA.ORG > _______________________________________________ > XCSSA mailing list > XCSSA@xcssa.org > http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun Nov 16 15:09:47 2008 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Nov 16 15:09:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] does anyone know of anyone needing a pc? Message-ID: <1cb556d10811161309s24aee3d5x9a9657af21eb0006@mail.gmail.com> hi, i have a ten year old pc, it has a pII 450 processor and 384MB of ram. i took the hd out of it but can put in one. i just want this thing to go to someone who needs it. i wanted to hang on to this until christmas to give to one of my sister's students but she told me that isn't necessary this year. so i have one desktop looking for a home. it does not have software nor a monitor....but i can load Ubuntu, Slack or some other Open Source OS on it. thanks john From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Nov 16 16:35:29 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Sun Nov 16 16:35:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] hibernate/suspend Message-ID: <4920A031.1050109@cis.sac.accd.edu> > > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] New MacBooks -> now hibernate/suspend > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200811161601.mAGG16Qp019024@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> > would "just work" also. If I can ever get the hibernate/suspend features of >> > Linux to work as well as Apple and with the reduced power usage, I'd sell >> > my MacBooks, but until then, I'll just have Linux a virtual client inside of >> > > Here is a page I found that explains pretty well what can be done: > > http://www.linux.com/feature/54610 > > Seems like it is possible, but haven't tried it. > > TuxonIce also seems like a possibility: > > http://www.tuxonice.net/features > > -b. > I started and I was able to get a manual script to hibernate and resume but it took almost 40% of the battery (new one) (60% old one) if I left suspended overnight +. The Mac will use maybe 10% max and both have 4GB ram and 7200 drives. The tuxonice may be a better implementation that will solve the problem. I will try it after the semester is over. While I don't use the Linux Box every day it is my mail backup. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 16 19:26:35 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Sun Nov 16 19:26:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <02a6dc61c1b144ad809b7fdb60205614.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <02a6dc61c1b144ad809b7fdb60205614.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4920C84B.1000306@sbcglobal.net> Call 1-866-294-3461 and the guy who answers will check your line up to the modem. At least, that is what he claimed, recently. Andy Pickens scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > My son had ATT DSL (w/o ATT phone service), it worked fine until it quit. I went > in and checked out his equipment and found nothing wrong. Had him obtain and try > a different modem without success, told him to tell them it was their problem. > > Finally after three weeks ATT finally sent a tech to his house and determined there > was a line problem (break) in the alley. Another two weeks and they had not fixed > it after many more calls. > > He told them to stuff-it and to credit him for billing. > > This may be an isolated incident, however, it doesn't speak well of their support. > > Have experienced similar problems, although not as prolonged, getting support from > Embarq DSL in Humble, in one incident, someone had disconnected it at their mainframe. > > > > > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Nov 17 06:45:19 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Nov 17 06:45:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse Message-ID: <68357ed52f1f4097882603c7207ed240.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Call 1-866-294-3461 and the guy who answers will check your >line up to the modem. At least, that is what he claimed, recently. ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Andy, but it's over, don't think he'd have ATT back even if it was free. On day one I verfied it was their problem, external to the house, and their incompetence prevailed. _ . _ Lou From siffland at nerdshack.com Mon Nov 17 08:25:25 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Mon Nov 17 08:25:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - AT&T - DSL and Uverse In-Reply-To: <68357ed52f1f4097882603c7207ed240.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <68357ed52f1f4097882603c7207ed240.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00811170625o2259d20ey797246139e27d4fe@mail.gmail.com> I appreciate everyone who gave some opinions and suggestions regarding this topic. It will help me in the next few days whether or not to get new service. Thanks again, Sean From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 17 16:15:47 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:15:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server Message-ID: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / gateway server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff (think X-10 appliances or similar), would there be any particular distro that would be better suited for that? In other words, do any distros come already pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would support that sort of thing right out of the box? Al Lesmerises From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Nov 17 16:25:28 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:25:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4921EF58.5040504@shub-internet.org> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / gateway > server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff (think X-10 > appliances or similar), would there be any particular distro that would > be better suited for that? In other words, do any distros come already > pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would support that sort of thing > right out of the box? For one thing, if I'm running a firewall/gateway on a box, I don't want anything else running on that box. I'll run my home automation type stuff on a separate box inside the firewall. On that firewall/gateway box, I'd probably run something like pfSense or m0n0wall, but then those are based on FreeBSD or OpenBSD, and not Linux. And I'd probably make the firewall/gateway box a Soekris net4501 or similar type of single-board-computer, that is not dependent on rotating media and stores it's OS and configuration files on read-only flash. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 17 21:19:42 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:19:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4921EF58.5040504@shub-internet.org> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> <4921EF58.5040504@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4922344E.8060408@satx.rr.com> I understand why you wouldn't want to run anything else on the firewall/gateway -- but I'm thinking that means running 2 separate systems that would be used at only a fraction of their full potential, not to mention the power needed, configuring & maintaining both systems, etc. I'm also not that keen on having to learn another OS -- I don't know anything about any flavor of BSD. I have my hands full trying to learn & maintaining several Linux and Windows systems as it is. But you did give me an idea -- maybe I could run the system as a live CD burned with the configuration settings I would need, possibly on a CD-RW so I can change things as time goes on. It's still a question of which build (if any) would be better to go with. Al Lesmerises Brad Knowles wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / >> gateway server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff >> (think X-10 appliances or similar), would there be any particular >> distro that would be better suited for that? In other words, do any >> distros come already pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would >> support that sort of thing right out of the box? > For one thing, if I'm running a firewall/gateway on a box, I don't > want anything else running on that box. I'll run my home automation > type stuff on a separate box inside the firewall. > > On that firewall/gateway box, I'd probably run something like pfSense > or m0n0wall, but then those are based on FreeBSD or OpenBSD, and not > Linux. And I'd probably make the firewall/gateway box a Soekris > net4501 or similar type of single-board-computer, that is not > dependent on rotating media and stores it's OS and configuration files > on read-only flash. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 21:43:32 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:43:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4922344E.8060408@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> <4921EF58.5040504@shub-internet.org> <4922344E.8060408@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0811171943v5c15969ct51bf48cac6c3be4c@mail.gmail.com> If you have another system on your network that is always running then you could netboot the firewall from it instead of using a CDRW. For a higher level of security use a USB drive with a physical write protect to boot. You can also pick up an ASA5505 for under $500 ($350 with a good discount), which would free up your PCs for other stuff. You get a 5-10 user vpn license with it too, so you can VPN to your home network easily. -Henry On 11/17/08, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I understand why you wouldn't want to run anything else on the > firewall/gateway -- but I'm thinking that means running 2 separate > systems that would be used at only a fraction of their full potential, > not to mention the power needed, configuring & maintaining both systems, > etc. > > I'm also not that keen on having to learn another OS -- I don't know > anything about any flavor of BSD. I have my hands full trying to learn > & maintaining several Linux and Windows systems as it is. > > But you did give me an idea -- maybe I could run the system as a live CD > burned with the configuration settings I would need, possibly on a CD-RW > so I can change things as time goes on. It's still a question of which > build (if any) would be better to go with. > > Al Lesmerises > > > Brad Knowles wrote: >> Alan Lesmerises wrote: >>> If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / >>> gateway server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff >>> (think X-10 appliances or similar), would there be any particular >>> distro that would be better suited for that? In other words, do any >>> distros come already pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would >>> support that sort of thing right out of the box? >> For one thing, if I'm running a firewall/gateway on a box, I don't >> want anything else running on that box. I'll run my home automation >> type stuff on a separate box inside the firewall. >> >> On that firewall/gateway box, I'd probably run something like pfSense >> or m0n0wall, but then those are based on FreeBSD or OpenBSD, and not >> Linux. And I'd probably make the firewall/gateway box a Soekris >> net4501 or similar type of single-board-computer, that is not >> dependent on rotating media and stores it's OS and configuration files >> on read-only flash. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 22:01:17 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:01:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4922344E.8060408@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> <4921EF58.5040504@shub-internet.org> <4922344E.8060408@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:19:42 -0600, Alan Lesmerises wrote: >But you did give me an idea -- maybe I could run the system as a live CD >burned with the configuration settings I would need, possibly on a CD-RW >so I can change things as time goes on. It's still a question of which >build (if any) would be better to go with. DistroWatch has a saved [1]search of distros tagged as Firewall/Router, so it's easy to scan the quick list, see which ones look interesting, and head over to the project page to learn more. I like to see a mature codebase with at least a few recent changes that indicate an active community. A range of HOWTO documents, from simple cookbook to code-level tweaks, is also a good sign. The beauty of open source alternatives is that you can match the personality of the user to the project, instead of conforming to the One True Answer from the ivory tower. Personally I use a cheap home WiFi "router" (NAT box) rather than having another system to maintain, but for a highly-visible public site I'm sure the answer would be different. --Don [1] http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=firewalls -- Enterprise software fault, warp core dumped. From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue Nov 18 15:30:06 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:30:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00811181330o7c2f4929u2aaaf0ea7910fd5f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / gateway > server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff (think X-10 > appliances or similar), would there be any particular distro that would be > better suited for that? In other words, do any distros come already > pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would support that sort of thing right > out of the box? > > Al Lesmerises > -- Go with monowall, I have it on my soekris 4801, works great. you can just download the CD and run it only any old thing laying around with 2 nics. They are correct, my firewall gets port scanned all the time, i would never run anything else on it...just imagine the impact when someone hacked into it. Of course someone remotely turning your lights on and off would be sweet....... sean From satlug at net153.net Tue Nov 18 16:17:21 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:17:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <49233EF1.1000401@net153.net> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / gateway > server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff (think X-10 > appliances or similar), would there be any particular distro that would > be better suited for that? In other words, do any distros come already > pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would support that sort of thing > right out of the box? > > Al Lesmerises Sounds like you would be better off with a dedicated server box and a wrt54gl for the gateway/router. I have been using smoothwall 2.0 for about 5 years now. I can't seem to wean myself off of it because it has a very nice QOS mod and squid web caching is just cool. But I do have an idea to someday replace the smoothwall box with a wrt54gl that I have and do some iptables editing to redirect web request to an internal server that I will install squid on. There are alot of firmwares that you can install on the wrt54gl. I like tomato http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato mainly because of the nice QOS interface. More firewall distros: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Firewall_distributions Sam From erichaugen at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 17:52:23 2008 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:52:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Back end work / some redesign on a website Message-ID: <674b98ac0811181552x1a8e5763mfe5c5386b380c87d@mail.gmail.com> We are looking for people who would like to bid on some redesign work for our website. We would like it to be one of the major open-source CMS systems (Drupal, Wordpress, Joomla,etc...). Please contact Mary Spence at 210-619-1062 Thanks, Eric Haugen City of Schertz From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Nov 18 22:55:25 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Tue Nov 18 22:55:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <49233EF1.1000401@net153.net> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> <49233EF1.1000401@net153.net> Message-ID: <49239C3D.70306@satx.rr.com> Thanks for everyone's inputs & suggestions -- it looks like I need to do some reading at this point, but at least I have a clearer sense of which direction to go now. Al Lesmerises Samuel Leon wrote: > Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / >> gateway server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff >> (think X-10 appliances or similar), would there be any particular >> distro that would be better suited for that? In other words, do any >> distros come already pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would >> support that sort of thing right out of the box? >> >> Al Lesmerises > Sounds like you would be better off with a dedicated server box and a > wrt54gl for the gateway/router. I have been using smoothwall 2.0 for > about 5 years now. I can't seem to wean myself off of it because it > has a very nice QOS mod and squid web caching is just cool. But I do > have an idea to someday replace the smoothwall box with a wrt54gl that > I have and do some iptables editing to redirect web request to an > internal server that I will install squid on. There are alot of > firmwares that you can install on the wrt54gl. I like tomato > http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato mainly because of the nice QOS > interface. > > More firewall distros: > http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Firewall_distributions > > Sam From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Nov 19 14:33:55 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Nov 19 14:33:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Fujistsu Notebook Message-ID: <8933d0e962b64bf288122dc7a2143936.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Am considering a Fujitsu 64 x2 notebook, however, the only review I found did not rate the Lifebook very good, a 76 out of 100 overall, and horrific battery life Am not a gamer nor number cruncher, so lightning speed and ultra high resolution isn't a priority, as is reliablility and stability. Any experiences with this beast, that you'd care to share would be appreciated. TIA ~ Lou From othniel at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 14:56:38 2008 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Wed Nov 19 14:56:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Fujistsu Notebook In-Reply-To: <8933d0e962b64bf288122dc7a2143936.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <8933d0e962b64bf288122dc7a2143936.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <24b598f60811191256l5042a220r5cfa6a1e8fe5bbce@mail.gmail.com> I have an AMD 64 X2 notebook, HP brand instead of Fujitsu, that I have been using Ubuntu on for about 6 months. Purchased it at local computer show for $350. Nor am I a gamer or number cruncher but I like the fact that it has an Nvidia GPU. Upgraded it to have 2GB memory. Very happy with AMD64 support in Ubuntu. This is my first experience with a 64 bit machine and Ubuntu support for AMD64 architecture is top notch. It may be better than Intel32 bit if that is possible because so many cpus are "i386" How important is battery life to you? Maybe consider a smaller screen system, etc. I'm happy with my AMD64 Notebook. Othniel On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:33 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > Am considering a Fujitsu 64 x2 notebook, however, the only review I found > did not rate the Lifebook very good, a 76 out of 100 overall, and horrific > battery life > > Am not a gamer nor number cruncher, so lightning speed and ultra high > resolution isn't a priority, as is reliablility and stability. > > Any experiences with this beast, that you'd care to share would be > appreciated. > > TIA ~ Lou > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 19:34:18 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Nov 19 19:34:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub Message-ID: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> I am trying to understand UUID #. I understand that it is a unique ID for a device. But unfortunately it seems to be able to change for partitions which seems to be causing problems with GRUB. I have tried substituting /dev/sdx but that doesn't seem to be the solutions. So I am trying to find out the UUID # for a partition so I can use that. How ever I seem to be getting two different #'s . #/sbin/blkid /dev/sdx gives me one UUID #. Which does not seem to change with reformating the partition. However! #/sbin/vol_id /dev/sdx returns a different UUID # and that number changes if the partition is reformated. My concern is that installing a different distro of Linux and lettting it write a new GRUB to the MBR seems to result in being unable to load the the previously installed distro. Simply copying the old grub config to the new doesn't seem to work. Charles From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Nov 19 20:21:00 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy) Date: Wed Nov 19 20:21:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Distro for Firewall / Gateway Server In-Reply-To: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> References: <4921ED13.2000004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1227147660.10264.8.camel@homestudio> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:15 -0600, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > If I wanted to setup a server to act as a dedicated firewall / gateway > server, and to possibly run some home automation type stuff (think X-10 > appliances or similar), would there be any particular distro that would > be better suited for that? In other words, do any distros come already > pre-packaged with the kinds apps that would support that sort of thing > right out of the box? > > Al Lesmerises If you are considering home automation there is really only one linux disto (its not really a distro but an add on to Kubuntu) that is worth checking out at this stage and that is LinuxMCE. I am currently running my television, media server (movies and music). I have plans to hook up my home lighting system, thermostat, and security system to it. It also can handle VOIP, although at this point neither skype or vonage is not supported. truth be told this is still beta software and can be cumbersome to set up if you have raid requirements but so far I am very pleased with it. Its also the only serious open-source competitor out there for Winblows MCE. Todd From j at jvpappas.net Thu Nov 20 11:29:17 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:29:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> I am not using a GUID boot setup (LVM), but I am thinking that you need to be using the partition GUID, not the disk GUID. Try using sdxy where y is your root partition. You may need to specify your boot part GUID as well, but I know at least your root partition GUID. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:34, Charles Mims wrote: > I am trying to understand UUID #. I understand that it is a unique ID for > a device. > But unfortunately it seems to be able to change for partitions which seems > to be > causing problems with GRUB. I have tried substituting /dev/sdx but that > doesn't > seem to be the solutions. So I am trying to find out the UUID # for a > partition > so I can use that. How ever I seem to be getting two different #'s . > > #/sbin/blkid /dev/sdx gives me one UUID #. Which does not seem to change > with > reformating the partition. However! > > #/sbin/vol_id /dev/sdx returns a different UUID # and that number changes > if > the > partition is reformated. > > My concern is that installing a different distro of Linux and lettting it > write a new > GRUB to the MBR seems to result in being unable to load the the previously > installed > distro. Simply copying the old grub config to the new doesn't seem to > work. > > Charles > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 15:11:11 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:11:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> I can see where a disk would have a guid and each partitions on it have a different guid. But I am asking for the guid on a partition using *blkid *and *vol_id *and getting two different numbers. Or at least that is what I think I am doing. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, John Pappas wrote: > I am not using a GUID boot setup (LVM), but I am thinking that you need to > be using the partition GUID, not the disk GUID. Try using sdxy where y is > your root partition. You may need to specify your boot part GUID as well, > but I know at least your root partition GUID. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:34, Charles Mims wrote: > > > I am trying to understand UUID #. I understand that it is a unique ID > for > > a device. > > But unfortunately it seems to be able to change for partitions which > seems > > to be > > causing problems with GRUB. I have tried substituting /dev/sdx but that > > doesn't > > seem to be the solutions. So I am trying to find out the UUID # for a > > partition > > so I can use that. How ever I seem to be getting two different #'s . > > > > #/sbin/blkid /dev/sdx gives me one UUID #. Which does not seem to change > > with > > reformating the partition. However! > > > > #/sbin/vol_id /dev/sdx returns a different UUID # and that number changes > > if > > the > > partition is reformated. > > > > My concern is that installing a different distro of Linux and lettting it > > write a new > > GRUB to the MBR seems to result in being unable to load the the > previously > > installed > > distro. Simply copying the old grub config to the new doesn't seem to > > work. > > > > Charles > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Thu Nov 20 18:01:21 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Thu Nov 20 18:01:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> Your email indicated you were querying via /dev/sdx rather than the explicit partition number. Can you include the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst so that I can see what you are talking about? On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 15:11, Charles Mims wrote: > I can see where a disk would have a guid and each partitions on it have a > different > guid. But I am asking for the guid on a partition using *blkid *and > *vol_id > *and getting > two different numbers. Or at least that is what I think I am doing. > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > > I am not using a GUID boot setup (LVM), but I am thinking that you need > to > > be using the partition GUID, not the disk GUID. Try using sdxy where y > is > > your root partition. You may need to specify your boot part GUID as > well, > > but I know at least your root partition GUID. > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:34, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > I am trying to understand UUID #. I understand that it is a unique ID > > for > > > a device. > > > But unfortunately it seems to be able to change for partitions which > > seems > > > to be > > > causing problems with GRUB. I have tried substituting /dev/sdx but > that > > > doesn't > > > seem to be the solutions. So I am trying to find out the UUID # for a > > > partition > > > so I can use that. How ever I seem to be getting two different #'s . > > > > > > #/sbin/blkid /dev/sdx gives me one UUID #. Which does not seem to > change > > > with > > > reformating the partition. However! > > > > > > #/sbin/vol_id /dev/sdx returns a different UUID # and that number > changes > > > if > > > the > > > partition is reformated. > > > > > > My concern is that installing a different distro of Linux and lettting > it > > > write a new > > > GRUB to the MBR seems to result in being unable to load the the > > previously > > > installed > > > distro. Simply copying the old grub config to the new doesn't seem > to > > > work. > > > > > > Charles > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:32:25 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Nov 20 18:32:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49260199.9020504@gmail.com> John Pappas wrote: > Your email indicated you were querying via /dev/sdx rather than the explicit > partition number. Can you include the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst > so that I can see what you are talking about? I would think we would need to see /etc/fstab to understand the problem. -- Bruce From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 20 20:10:56 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Nov 20 20:11:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices In-Reply-To: <48E4A39F.4010106@gmail.com> References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net> <24b598f60810011646m7e1a7e67h50d3adb2d5815dfe@mail.gmail.com> <48E422EE.9020300@sbcglobal.net> <48E4A39F.4010106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <492618B0.2060601@sbcglobal.net> Starting back in August, many of you helped me with this problem. This post is only to close that question. It turns out that a blind hog can, eventually, find an acorn. I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 on a computer with an Asus mother board with VIA K8M890 (Chrome 9) video. After all else failed, I set out to use a VIA Linux driver. The first challenge was to pick the correct one; none of the numbers exactly matched mine. I finally downloaded 'Linux-FBDev-kernel-src_2.6.00.03a,' got the readme, picked the section that seemed to apply, and started work. I got as far as '/usr/src/drivers/video/via/Linux-FBDev-kernel-src_2.6.00.03a$' before I got completely stuck and had to abandon the effort - I just didn't understand what I was to do. Then I set off to adopt a new video card, per Ed's suggestion, below. I opened my box and discovered the video is integrated into the mother board. What to do? I downloaded the mother board manual. No help there. Before seeking your help, I thought to try rebuilding xorg.conf using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg.' I restarted and, lo and behold, I had 1024x768, just what I wanted. I have no idea why. Now, my Ubuntu is almost completely functional. Thanks to all. Andy Pickens ed wrote: > Andrew Pickens wrote: > >> Othniel Graichen wrote: >> >>> Andrew: >>> >>> In viewing this thread, most responders were concerned about your >>> monitor. >>> I think that you seem to have a decent monitor. At least one that >>> communicates back to the video card what its' name is and what its' >>> capabilities are. >>> >>> WHAT KIND OF VIDEO CARD DO YOU HAVE? >>> >>> Find out. If you really have to use the VESA mode on your card, then >>> you >>> are limited to VESA resolutions. >>> >>> Its time to replace at least your video card with something newer -- >>> don't >>> you think? I'm not saying to go out and buy a new nvidia card for >>> $150 but >>> you can pick up a descent video card for $5-$10 at Goodwill or at a >>> computer >>> show. >>> >>> How much is it worth for you to solve this issue permanently? >>> Othniel Graichen >>> >>> >> I'll spend a few bucks if it will solve the problem. I bought a new >> wireless card when I couldn't get WiFi working, only to find out the >> problem was that ndiswrapper wouldn't install a 32-bit driver in >> 64-bit Ubuntu. >> My computer was built in March 2007. The video card is VIA K8M890 >> (Chrome 9) integrated video. The monitor is Dell M780, an old CRT >> that works fine. >> >> > In that case, you might wanna try an ATI or an Nvidia card and use their > drivers. I've had good luck with ATI cards using their restricted > drivers... > > Cheers; > Ed > > > From jbharrell at fusemeister.com Thu Nov 20 20:18:22 2008 From: jbharrell at fusemeister.com (Brinkley Harrell) Date: Thu Nov 20 20:18:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <49260199.9020504@gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> <49260199.9020504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49261A6E.1010601@fusemeister.com> Just type /sbin/blkid at the command shell prompt, it will return information about all of the mounted volumes. For example, jharrell@waco:~$ sudo /sbin/blkid /dev/sda1: UUID="9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e" TYPE="ext3" /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" UUID="ab45a1a9-8090-48aa-bd90-a5af5828a2c8" /dev/sdb1: UUID="BCEC9975EC992AA2" LABEL="WorkVol" TYPE="ntfs" /dev/sdc1: UUID="2E0C4B040C4AC695" LABEL="WDC-backup" TYPE="ntfs" /dev/sdd1: UUID="72F831D7F8319A75" LABEL="Maxtor5k" TYPE="ntfs" /dev/sde1: UUID="928CF7AA8CF7874F" LABEL="WDC-ntfs" TYPE="ntfs" The pertinent part of Grub's menu.lst is title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic uuid 9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic quiet Obviously, the system is Ubunto v8.10 Intrepid Ibex. Bruce Dubbs wrote: > John Pappas wrote: >> Your email indicated you were querying via /dev/sdx rather than the >> explicit >> partition number. Can you include the contents of your >> /boot/grub/menu.lst >> so that I can see what you are talking about? > > I would think we would need to see /etc/fstab to understand the problem. > > -- Bruce -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brinkley Harrell http://www.fusemeister.com From chmims at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:23:40 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Nov 20 22:23:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580811202023o135099e6t4adcc5f5afef0b1a@mail.gmail.com> I was using /dev/sdx only as an example. I am querying several partitions on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb including sda1, sda2, sda3 and sdb1, sdb2. This is the output I get for *blkid *and *vol_id. *The UUID returned for /dev/sdb2 is different for each command. So how do I know which one to use for adding a partition to grub. *chmims@ubuntu:~$ /sbin/blkid* /dev/sda1: LABEL="/1" UUID="ca5f02f4-5c43-4701-be99-c5219bcaf7ec" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" /dev/sda2: UUID="792d7929-6e55-42de-8fdb-f639e8ce1f9e" TYPE="ext3" /dev/sda3: UUID="EA38F76738F730E5" TYPE="ntfs" /dev/sdb1: UUID="eabacf03-0b6c-49f3-b978-7d56d2d6781c" TYPE="swap" */dev/sdb2: LABEL="/" UUID="b416c7ba-0e6a-46ae-93b2-52a0044dd1e9" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" * /dev/sdb5: UUID="bb802856-e1b8-4801-8dc5-1ef8b74df978" TYPE="ext3" /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs" chmims@ubuntu:~$ sudo /sbin/vol_id [sudo] password for chmims: no device *chmims@ubuntu:~$ sudo /sbin/vol_id /dev/sdb2* ID_FS_USAGE=filesystem ID_FS_TYPE=ext3 ID_FS_VERSION=1.0 *ID_FS_UUID=fea4a071-796a-4621-a4a2-cc19f69cfa3a* ID_FS_UUID_ENC=fea4a071-796a-4621-a4a2-cc19f69cfa3a ID_FS_LABEL=/ ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x2f ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE= chmims@ubuntu:~$ On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM, John Pappas wrote: > Your email indicated you were querying via /dev/sdx rather than the > explicit > partition number. Can you include the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst > so that I can see what you are talking about? > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 15:11, Charles Mims wrote: > > > I can see where a disk would have a guid and each partitions on it have a > > different > > guid. But I am asking for the guid on a partition using *blkid *and > > *vol_id > > *and getting > > two different numbers. Or at least that is what I think I am doing. > > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > > > > I am not using a GUID boot setup (LVM), but I am thinking that you need > > to > > > be using the partition GUID, not the disk GUID. Try using sdxy where y > > is > > > your root partition. You may need to specify your boot part GUID as > > well, > > > but I know at least your root partition GUID. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:34, Charles Mims wrote: > > > > > > > I am trying to understand UUID #. I understand that it is a unique > ID > > > for > > > > a device. > > > > But unfortunately it seems to be able to change for partitions which > > > seems > > > > to be > > > > causing problems with GRUB. I have tried substituting /dev/sdx but > > that > > > > doesn't > > > > seem to be the solutions. So I am trying to find out the UUID # for > a > > > > partition > > > > so I can use that. How ever I seem to be getting two different #'s > . > > > > > > > > #/sbin/blkid /dev/sdx gives me one UUID #. Which does not seem to > > change > > > > with > > > > reformating the partition. However! > > > > > > > > #/sbin/vol_id /dev/sdx returns a different UUID # and that number > > changes > > > > if > > > > the > > > > partition is reformated. > > > > > > > > My concern is that installing a different distro of Linux and > lettting > > it > > > > write a new > > > > GRUB to the MBR seems to result in being unable to load the the > > > previously > > > > installed > > > > distro. Simply copying the old grub config to the new doesn't seem > > to > > > > work. > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chmims at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:54:15 2008 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Thu Nov 20 22:54:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to understand UUID and grub In-Reply-To: <49261A6E.1010601@fusemeister.com> References: <9e4edf580811191734s6263a708xccae96ab78525890@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811200929w51766f0dp4d6568c257d5b5ee@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580811201311i1469e1eby81aff6e8dcba5aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450811201601h78c91b49h5bddddff36e418db@mail.gmail.com> <49260199.9020504@gmail.com> <49261A6E.1010601@fusemeister.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580811202054v32679001mb76f91b07726cd2@mail.gmail.com> Actually I am not having an immediate problem. But in the past when I installed a new distro and wrote grub to the MBR I sometimes could not get the old distro to boot. I am trying to hopefully know what to do when it happens again. My immediate questions is why are * bklid* and *vol_id* returning different UUID for the same partition. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Brinkley Harrell wrote: > Just type /sbin/blkid at the command shell prompt, it will return > information about all of the mounted volumes. For example, > > jharrell@waco:~$ sudo /sbin/blkid > /dev/sda1: UUID="9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e" TYPE="ext3" > /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" UUID="ab45a1a9-8090-48aa-bd90-a5af5828a2c8" > /dev/sdb1: UUID="BCEC9975EC992AA2" LABEL="WorkVol" TYPE="ntfs" > /dev/sdc1: UUID="2E0C4B040C4AC695" LABEL="WDC-backup" TYPE="ntfs" > /dev/sdd1: UUID="72F831D7F8319A75" LABEL="Maxtor5k" TYPE="ntfs" > /dev/sde1: UUID="928CF7AA8CF7874F" LABEL="WDC-ntfs" TYPE="ntfs" > > The pertinent part of Grub's menu.lst is > > title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic > uuid 9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic > root=UUID=9bfb45e6-083a-4fe6-9b6d-cb799e79a30e ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic > quiet > > Obviously, the system is Ubunto v8.10 Intrepid Ibex. > > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> John Pappas wrote: >> >>> Your email indicated you were querying via /dev/sdx rather than the >>> explicit >>> partition number. Can you include the contents of your >>> /boot/grub/menu.lst >>> so that I can see what you are talking about? >>> >> >> I would think we would need to see /etc/fstab to understand the problem. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Brinkley Harrell > http://www.fusemeister.com > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 06:30:46 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Nov 21 06:30:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting - Elections Message-ID: Hello, I will be out of town for the Dec. meeting, but would like to be of service to SATLUG. Being retired, I have more time available than the average bear so please give me a job. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Nov 21 08:07:29 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Nov 21 08:07:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] webhosting needed Message-ID: <200811211407.mALE7TT2006551@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Greetings, I am writing to find out if anyone on this list can provide free web hosting to the Northside Independent School District Parent Teacher Association. My wife is a volunteer on their board and chairs their Arts in Education Council. They have very low volume/storage needs and basically just need to have a web presence with some links and contact information. I can get more technical details for their requirements. I am willing to help them get the technical stuff worked out as long as I can get some rsync access to a linux box. php capability would be nice. Is there anyone on the list who could provide free (or low cost) hosting to a good cause? (they will pay for the domain name, of course). They don't have a lot of money, so they won't ask for much. Please let me know off-line if you can help. (demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu) Thanks! -borries From jm at allensonthe.net Fri Nov 21 08:46:04 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Fri Nov 21 08:46:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] webhosting needed In-Reply-To: <200811211407.mALE7TT2006551@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200811211407.mALE7TT2006551@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:07, Borries Demeler wrote: > Greetings, > > I am writing to find out if anyone on this list can provide > free web hosting to the Northside Independent School District > Parent Teacher Association. My wife is a volunteer on their > board and chairs their Arts in Education Council. > > They have very low volume/storage needs and basically just > need to have a web presence with some links and contact > information. I can get more technical details for their > requirements. I am willing to help them get the technical > stuff worked out as long as I can get some rsync access to > a linux box. php capability would be nice. > > Is there anyone on the list who could provide free (or low cost) hosting > to a good cause? (they will pay for the domain name, of course). > They don't have a lot of money, so they won't ask for much. > > Please let me know off-line if you can help. > (demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu) > > Thanks! -borries > -- Are they a non-profit org? (must be 501c3) Dreamhost offers their top hosting package for free for life to any 501 c3 org. http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Non-profit_Discount Other companies that do the same thing: Smugmug (photos) Google for domains (educational edition) (Replying to the list because I'm sure there are others who would like to know) -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From Channing.ML at channingc.com Fri Nov 21 17:20:53 2008 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:18:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop Repair Recommendation - Dallas Message-ID: <49274255.7040700@channingc.com> Hello Group, I need to send a Dell laptop into the shop in Dallas. Does anyone have a place they'd recommend? TIA, Channing From hharadon at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 10:49:16 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:49:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] webhosting needed Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:07:29 -0600 (CST) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: [SATLUG] webhosting needed > To: satlug@satlug.org (Satlug Mailing List) > Cc: Deede Goethke > Message-ID: <200811211407.mALE7TT2006551@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Greetings, > > I am writing to find out if anyone on this list can provide > free web hosting to the Northside Independent School District > Parent Teacher Association. My wife is a volunteer on their > board and chairs their Arts in Education Council. > > They have very low volume/storage needs and basically just > need to have a web presence with some links and contact > information. I can get more technical details for their > requirements. I am willing to help them get the technical > stuff worked out as long as I can get some rsync access to > a linux box. php capability would be nice. > > Is there anyone on the list who could provide free (or low cost) hosting > to a good cause? (they will pay for the domain name, of course). > They don't have a lot of money, so they won't ask for much. > > Please let me know off-line if you can help. > (demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu) > > Thanks! -borries Hi, Almost every ISP offers a free web site that would likely meet your needs, but the URL may not be just what you want ? Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 13:38:16 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:37:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Laptop Repair Recommendation - Dallas In-Reply-To: <49274255.7040700@channingc.com> References: <49274255.7040700@channingc.com> Message-ID: <49285FA8.4020900@gmail.com> Whuzzup with the laptop? Maybe I can help. Please contact me off-list. Cheers; Ed ========== Channing wrote: > Hello Group, > > I need to send a Dell laptop into the shop in Dallas. Does anyone > have a place they'd recommend? > > TIA, > Channing From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sun Nov 23 07:39:13 2008 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sun Nov 23 07:39:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] webhosting needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cb556d10811230539l7a9eb380if2f46e12bbdb9bd@mail.gmail.com> I may be able to help out. I may have missed this in the post but what are their requirements/needs? I have several servers with storage and bandwidth space. No ads, no tricks. Thanks, john From president at satlug.org Sun Nov 23 22:37:08 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Sun Nov 23 22:37:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Information on SATLUG Shirts Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0811232037j156f5d8djd977316c6a54cd06@mail.gmail.com> Fellow SATLUGers, I have finally gotten all the information on ordering shirts with the SATLUG logo embroidered on them. The cost for the shirts is $20.00 per shirt for all sizes from small to XL. If you are interested in ordering a 2XL please let me know so I can verify the price as they are a little bit more expensive) We will need to order a MINIMUM of 24 shirts. We can collect the money at the December & January meetings and then order the shirts a few days later. It should take approximately 10 business days to have them ready for pickup and we can start passing them out at the February meeting. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS and still want to order a shirt, I can make arrangements to meet with you on a weekend or one evening during the week. I live just North of downtown and am on the Northside near Blanco & Loop 1604 on (most) Thursday evenings. For available colors (on the polo shirts) I have included a link below each that gives a list of the colors available. The short sleeve polo shirts are 100% cotton while the long sleeves are 60/40 cotton/polyester blend. I don't see a color sample for the denim shirts, just a description on the color. The SATLUG logo doesn't seem to show up quite as well on white or cream colored shirts so you might want to consider that when letting me know what color shirt you want. If you will also give an alternate color just in case the color you want is out of stock or otherwise unavailable. For questions, please contact me directly if you don't care to have your question out there for the world to see. Short Sleeve Polo Shirts #BG2201 http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-2201.html Long Sleeve Polo shirts #BG7207 http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-7207.html Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue Long Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206 Available in Faded Blue, Vintage Blue & Dark Indigo I apologize for it taking so long. Their location closes before I can get there after work & I was only able to get by there & talking to a live body face to face. Jim Wells, President San Antonio Linux Users Group From wn5pmr at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 23:11:19 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Sun Nov 23 23:11:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Information on SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0811232037j156f5d8djd977316c6a54cd06@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0811232037j156f5d8djd977316c6a54cd06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <492A3777.2040107@gmail.com> Jim Wells, President wrote: > Fellow SATLUGers, > > > > Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S > Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue > > Hi Jim, well needless to say I want one. . . . . .how ever what arrangements could we make to get my shirt delivered to me. . . . . I'm a bit North & West of downtown at this time. Mike WN5PMR From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Nov 24 03:56:59 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Nov 24 03:57:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Information on SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <492A3777.2040107@gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0811232037j156f5d8djd977316c6a54cd06@mail.gmail.com> <492A3777.2040107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <492A7A6B.6060703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> mike wrote: > Jim Wells, President wrote: >> Fellow SATLUGers, >> >> >> >> Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S >> Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue >> >> > Hi Jim, well needless to say I want one. . . . . .how ever what > arrangements could we make to get my shirt delivered to me. . . . . > I'm a bit North & West of downtown at this time. > > Mike WN5PMR I'm not -quite- as far away as you are, Mikey, but a couple of hundred is far enough not to be able to 'pop-over' and 'pop-back' a 400 mile round trip too make no steekin' meetin'. ;-) I suppose, Jim, you'd need some sort of Self-Abused Stomped Antelope (SASE) or a box with postage on it, for mailing out-of-town orders? And, I'm asking for Mike...(;-)) but, do they have any 3x Shirts? -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 Houston) From president at satlug.org Mon Nov 24 09:02:46 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:10:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Information on SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <492A7A6B.6060703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <8c9fbbeb0811232037j156f5d8djd977316c6a54cd06@mail.gmail.com> <492A3777.2040107@gmail.com> <492A7A6B.6060703@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0811240702v4efb7c6ak205261af17919bcc@mail.gmail.com> I have e-mailed my contact to check & see if 3XL shirts are even available. They were not listed on the quote so I suspect they might not be. But I will let you know as soon as I hear something back. Jim On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Geoff wrote: > mike wrote: > > Jim Wells, President wrote: > >> Fellow SATLUGers, > >> > >> > >> > >> Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S > >> Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue > >> > >> > > Hi Jim, well needless to say I want one. . . . . .how ever what > > arrangements could we make to get my shirt delivered to me. . . . . > > I'm a bit North & West of downtown at this time. > > > > Mike WN5PMR > > I'm not -quite- as far away as you are, Mikey, but a couple of hundred > is far enough not to be able to 'pop-over' and 'pop-back' a 400 mile > round trip too make no steekin' meetin'. ;-) > > I suppose, Jim, you'd need some sort of Self-Abused Stomped Antelope > (SASE) or a box with postage on it, for mailing out-of-town orders? > > And, I'm asking for Mike...(;-)) but, do they have any 3x Shirts? > > -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 Houston) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 09:35:29 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Wed Nov 26 09:35:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenGL update (a little old, tho) Message-ID: Hey guys, We had talked about the licensing/ownership of OpenGL a few months back. Well, I just stumbled on this article yesterday: http://www.linux.com/feature/148339 It turns out that OpenGL is now open source (as of September), and Microsoft doesn't own it. ~Nate From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 26 15:30:24 2008 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:30:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day Message-ID: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers. From hc at lookcee.com Wed Nov 26 15:34:41 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:34:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <492DC0F1.3060907@lookcee.com> HAYES DENNIS wrote: > Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers. > So many things to be thankful for ... that ice cream doesn't smell like rotten fish & ______________________( enter fav tanks here) herb From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Wed Nov 26 16:38:21 2008 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:38:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: <492DC0F1.3060907@lookcee.com> References: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <492DC0F1.3060907@lookcee.com> Message-ID: I am thankful for open source software, and of course Linux. It is way better than Winblows. In fact, once I actually used my USB stick loaded with Ubuntu to fix someones computer with a Smitfraud infestation.> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:34:41 -0600> From: hc@lookcee.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day> > HAYES DENNIS wrote:> > Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers.> > > So many things to be thankful for ... that ice cream doesn't smell like > rotten fish & ______________________( enter fav tanks here)> herb> -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 21:49:38 2008 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Wed Nov 26 21:49:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <907901.6824.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, HAYES DENNIS wrote: Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers. From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 22:10:54 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Nov 26 22:11:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: <907901.6824.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <907901.6824.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Happy thanksgiving! For my fellow Ags out there, BTHO t.u.! (Ok, it's a LONG shot, but stranger things have happened...) On 11/26/08, That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, HAYES DENNIS wrote: > Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers. > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From satlugacct at jchampion.com Thu Nov 27 14:40:54 2008 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Thu Nov 27 14:40:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: References: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <907901.6824.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1cb556d10811271240k1e89ec87q546c8d482ee335e5@mail.gmail.com> happy thanksgiving all! you gotta love when the cartoon network rickrolls the macy's parade! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10109517-36.html Enjoy! john From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:14:58 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Nov 27 17:14:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day In-Reply-To: References: <852995.92119.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <492DC0F1.3060907@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <492F29F2.3040501@gmail.com> Happy Thanksgiving to all here! (Ben? Could you please contact me off-list to describe your wonderous Smitfraud fix?) Cheers' Ed =============== Benjamin Temple wrote: > I am thankful for open source software, and of course Linux. It is way better than Winblows. In fact, once I actually used my USB stick loaded with Ubuntu to fix someones computer with a Smitfraud infestation.> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:34:41 -0600> From: hc@lookcee.com> To: satlug@satlug.org> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] (OT) Turkey Day> > HAYES DENNIS wrote:> > Happy Thanksgiving to all luggers.> > > So many things to be thankful for ... that ice cream doesn't smell like > rotten fish & ______________________( enter fav tanks here)> herb> -- > _______________________________________________> SATLUG mailing list> SATLUG@satlug.org> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > _________________________________________________________________ > Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. > hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 20:57:29 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sun Nov 30 20:57:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable Message-ID: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list that knows something about cisco.. :P I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a zero, but I don't know.) If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you tell me what will work? Thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun Nov 30 21:31:20 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Nov 30 21:31:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49335A88.8060904@suddenlink.net> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list > that knows something about cisco.. :P > > I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks > a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a > Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. > > Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I > don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via > their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been > able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables > have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both > cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables > have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a > zero, but I don't know.) > > If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you > tell me what will work? > > > Thanks! > > FIRESTORM_v1 > Among other things, those are the cables you use to connect routers together. They are v35 cables, if they are the ones I think they are, and VERY handy to have. Good buy, dude! Peace, Dennis in Victoria From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun Nov 30 21:32:25 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Nov 30 21:32:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list > that knows something about cisco.. :P > > I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks > a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a > Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. > > Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I > don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via > their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been > able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables > have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both > cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables > have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a > zero, but I don't know.) > > If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you > tell me what will work? > > Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together serial-serial. From techgeeks at aaronhackney.com Sun Nov 30 21:38:22 2008 From: techgeeks at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Sun Nov 30 21:38:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list >> that knows something about cisco.. :P >> >> I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks >> a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a >> Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. >> >> Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I >> don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via >> their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been >> able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables >> have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both >> cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables >> have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a >> zero, but I don't know.) >> >> If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you >> tell me what will work? >> >> > Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together serial-serial. Awesome find. You might want to play with the software solution as well. Dynamips and the Gui front end GNS3. I teach an entire advanced routing course with Dynamips. -A -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Hackney (210) 325-2196 Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com As this e-mail address is not checked! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------