[SATLUG] CMS Solution
hector.bojorquez at gmail.com
Sat Nov 10 17:06:24 CST 2007
How many of you have used an open source content management solution with a
If so... what is your experience in being the administrator for said client?
On Nov 10, 2007 4:55 PM, Daniel J. Givens <daniel at rugmonster.org> wrote:
> Brian Lewis wrote:
> > I do believe that your opinions are just that: opinions. every person
> > who writes code thinks the way they write it is "great" and the way
> > write theirs is "Crap". Why not write your own cms if you think working
> > with a cms is crap? If they're so bad, don't use them. Most CMS's are
> > tailored to whomever the distributor's audience is. Just because you
> > don't want to write your own extensions, and/or do the work in coding
> > the whole site yourself, doesn't mean that you should just bash someone
> > else work. Where is the "Daniel Givens CMS"? Oh wait, it hasn't been
> > released because it doesn't exist. Before bashing on someones hard work,
> > write one yourself, and see how much better yours is. Thanks!
> Go look at the code and see for yourself. It's terribly inconsistent,
> poorly documented, and major features (groups in Joomla for example) are
> only half-way implemented. This is the core of a site, the platform for
> which every other piece of functionality relies upon.
> I worked with both Xoops and Joomla in the past because someone
> commissioned the work. I wasn't commissioned to write a CMS. The CMS
> solutions that my team recommended were not used because the staff
> employee "knew" Joomla (and he really didn't). This was after xoops was
> abandoned against our recommendation.
> It's not that I think working with a CMS is crap, I think a lot of CMS's
> are executed and written like crap. Big difference. I also think that
> for most sites, mammoth projects like Joomla, Drupal, and Xoops are
> overkill. Wordpress, despite its past security issues, fits most
> people's needs. I use it myself and find it decent to use. I haven't
> written any extensions for it, but haven't had a need to.
> And why haven't I written my own CMS? Several years ago, my first PHP
> project was a very lightweight CMS of sorts for a site I had that died
> long ago. It was more along the lines of wordpress in functionality, but
> I only used it very briefly. Admittedly, it wasn't very good and I never
> had a reason to release it for public consumption because I never got it
> to a releasable point. Since then, I haven't ever had the need to write
> my own. Wordpress works fine for me now.
> Besides all that, the more important point is this. I don't think I need
> to write my own to be able to voice an opinion. That would be like
> saying I don't have the right to say Yugo's suck because I've never
> built a car. In that case, like with Joomla, compared to the
> alternatives, Yugo's suck compared to a comparable class Toyota. You can
> object all you want, but our opinions are our opinions. You have the
> option to ignore mine. When someone is asking for opinions, I would
> think they would want to hear both good and bad.
> Like I said before, I have written extensions for Joomla and Xoops. I've
> fixed bugs and enhanced functionality in other's extensions and given
> the maintainers patches. I did that because I need to use those
> extensions. I'm not going to fix Joomla's shortcomings because I have no
> need nor do I have any interest in using it again.
> Don't get me wrong. There are some really great extensions for Joomla
> and Xoops. If you want to see an awesome one for Joomla, look up
> FacileForms. I wish FacileForms or something like it were available in a
> form that I could drop it into another site not running on Joomla. And
> Joomla, in particular, isn't all bad. It just lacks in a lot of areas
> compared to other offerings.
> I know I'm not the only one that feels the way I do about Joomla and a
> lot of the other CMS systems out there. The sad fact is that there is a
> lot of code, and subsequently, applications out there that are absolute
> crap. I don't think I'm out of line at all in stating my opinion on that.
> I suppose I should wrap this up with some sort of positive and
> productive input because I have no intension of continuing this
> conversation into flamewar hell.
> The best CMS I've seen, based on the last time we looked at CMS
> solutions early this year, was CMSMadeSimple. That one was the highest
> scoring based on the evaluations of me and my partners. We chose 12
> CMS's that seemed to be the most popular and most promising and rated
> them on functionality, usability, extensibility, documentation (user,
> administrator, and developer), and code quality. That one was by and
> large ahead of the others in pretty much every category. If you need a
> CMS in that scope (not a "blog" app), CMSMS would be a good place to
> start evaluating.
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